Hi all,

The question is "are you better off now, then you were 4 years ago?" If
the answer is yes, vote for Bush, if the answer is no, vote for Kerry.

Tony

www.votepair.org

tony1158 wrote:
Hi all,

The question is "are you better off now, then you were 4 years ago?"
If the answer is yes, vote for Bush, if the answer is no, vote for
Kerry.

Tony
snip

The issues are FAR more complex than this simplistic representation.
However, since you phrase it this way my answer is yes, I'm way better off
today.

Yea! Clinton (and Mr. Clinton) are out of office!
Frank

Saudade wrote:

tony1158 wrote:
Hi all,

The question is "are you better off now, then you were 4 years ago?"
If the answer is yes, vote for Bush, if the answer is no, vote for
Kerry.

Tony
snip

The issues are FAR more complex than this simplistic representation.
However, since you phrase it this way my answer is yes, I'm way better off
today.

wrote in message
...
Yea! Clinton (and Mr. Clinton) are out of office!
Frank


Yeah? Maybe for you. Here in NY we're still stuck with the Clinton with
the big balls - Hillary.
--

-Mike-





Saudade wrote:

tony1158 wrote:
Hi all,

The question is "are you better off now, then you were 4 years ago?"
If the answer is yes, vote for Bush, if the answer is no, vote for
Kerry.

Tony
snip

The issues are FAR more complex than this simplistic representation.
However, since you phrase it this way my answer is yes, I'm way better
off
today.

I'm glad I moved to NC, I don't have to put up with her!
Frank

Mike Marlow wrote:

wrote in message
...
Yea! Clinton (and Mr. Clinton) are out of office!
Frank


Yeah? Maybe for you. Here in NY we're still stuck with the Clinton with
the big balls - Hillary.
--

-Mike-


Saudade wrote:

tony1158 wrote:
Hi all,

The question is "are you better off now, then you were 4 years ago?"
If the answer is yes, vote for Bush, if the answer is no, vote for
Kerry.

Tony
snip

The issues are FAR more complex than this simplistic representation.
However, since you phrase it this way my answer is yes, I'm way better
off
today.

tony1158 did say:

Hi all,

The question is "are you better off now, then you were 4 years ago?" If
the answer is yes, vote for Bush, if the answer is no, vote for Kerry.

Tony

www.votepair.org

What say we go to votepair.org and start a woodworking thread...

WoodMangler wrote in message ...
tony1158 did say:

Hi all,

The question is "are you better off now, then you were 4 years ago?" If
the answer is yes, vote for Bush, if the answer is no, vote for Kerry.

Tony

www.votepair.org

What say we go to votepair.org and start a woodworking thread...

DO NOT FALL FOR THIS!!!

READ THIS WEB PAGE:

http://www.wspd.com/bobf2.html

You will clearly see:

From News Radio 1370: http://www.wspd.com/bobf2.html

1. Set up a few bogus email accounts on Yahoo or Hotmail. Make up
names if you'd like.
2. Go to www.VotePair.org .
3. Select a swing state such as Florida or Pennsylvania where Nader is
on the ballot.
4. Select "Nader" as your first choice for President.
5. Enter your name and email address so they can pair you with a Kerry
supporter in a "safe state."
7. Confirm your agreement to vote for Kerry in your swing state via
the email they send to your account while he agrees to vote for Nader
in his safe state.
8. Print your confirmation email.
9. Take your printed email into your bathroom and use it as a
substitute for your Charmin.
10. Go to your precinct on November 2nd and vote for George W. Bush.
11. Feel proud that you helped stop voter fraud in the United States
of America!

There are other sites as well where people are admitting to signing up
with multiple user accounts. Please don't "trade" your vote because
you put your trust in a random online stranger. You wouldn't give your
absentee ballot to a stranger you just met on a bus, and trust them to
fill it in and mail it for you. Don't give your vote away to a
stranger on the internet.

Yes,
Terrorists now live in fear, before they could hit and run and know they
might get a cruise missile shot at them in retaliation and it would be all
done for.
We have a President that has backbone and stands for what he believes, not
the sway of voter polls.

On the other hand we have a candidate that was analyzed as the most LIBERAL
Senator in the US Senate based on his record. Folks a Zebra's stripes don't
change. He didn't receive an honorable discharge from the Military until it
was initiated in Clintons last year in office. Hmm, could there be some back
scratching here. He hasn't signed the form to open his military records.
The only reason to do that is you have something to hide, hence no timely
honarable discharge.. If the military had any backbone they would have
court-martialed him for aiding the enemy as a commander in the US military he
violated his oath when he testified before congress. He says he's intouch
with the middle class, no he's an elitist that told the St. Louis audience
nobody made $200K he could tell by looking, has his nails manicured (gee's
that real middle class), has a history of wanting more government involvement
in our daily lives.

This choice boils down to several simple ideologies:
Bush
Tax people less and let them decide on how to spend their own money
Let Christians live with their beliefs, not be told when and where they can
express their beliefs
Economic growth is based on a secure nation. Think of what would happen if
following 9-11 there had been another one in 6 months. We would have been in
a depression regardless of who was president.
Common sense enviornmental policy, we are a fossil fuel based economy, no
new technology has proven to be less cost effective we should be beefing up
US based oil production and drilling in Anwar, building some refineries and
pushing hydrogen technology.
Job growth is based on sound economic principles, not economic
protectionism. Time forces jobs to change, how many jobs were the around
home computers 50 years ago, zero they didn't exist. How many blacksmiths
and carriage builders do we need today verses a 100 years ago, virtually
none.
Free enterprise works.
A person should be able to invest a small amout of the money they would
otherwise pay into social security, so they can be better off financially
when the retire.

Kerry,
Tax to supply the government money to control our lives.
Give preference not equality to athiests
Economic growth is based on government growth.
Enviornmental policy is - to hell with the economy as long as it saves the
purple striped coachroach from the endangered spieces list. Add 50 cents a
gallon to gasoline so we use less.
Job growth is via protectionism. i.e. prevent outsourcing, and have US
consomers pay higher costs for goods and services.
Wants to keep the elites seperated from the working class via depending on
the government instead of themselves.

Folks the left has lied to you for years. They say "trust the government it
will take care of you". Example social security, medicare, medicade,
unemployment insurance, prescription drugs, OSHA, public schools, school
lunch programs, agricultural price support..... Guess who pays, you the
taxpayer. Wonder why its tough to compete with foreign labor, they don't
have those costs to support! The left says big business is all corrupt and
it's your enemy, hmm they provide jobs, benifits, community involvement,
investment opportunities for people to make money, yea there really bad
alright.



tony1158 wrote:

Hi all,

The question is "are you better off now, then you were 4 years ago?" If
the answer is yes, vote for Bush, if the answer is no, vote for Kerry.

Tony

www.votepair.org

BRAVO!

Phil wrote:

Yes,
Terrorists now live in fear, before they could hit and run and know they
might get a cruise missile shot at them in retaliation and it would be all
done for.
We have a President that has backbone and stands for what he believes, not
the sway of voter polls.

On the other hand we have a candidate that was analyzed as the most LIBERAL
Senator in the US Senate based on his record. Folks a Zebra's stripes don't
change. He didn't receive an honorable discharge from the Military until it
was initiated in Clintons last year in office. Hmm, could there be some back
scratching here. He hasn't signed the form to open his military records.
The only reason to do that is you have something to hide, hence no timely
honarable discharge.. If the military had any backbone they would have
court-martialed him for aiding the enemy as a commander in the US military he
violated his oath when he testified before congress. He says he's intouch
with the middle class, no he's an elitist that told the St. Louis audience
nobody made $200K he could tell by looking, has his nails manicured (gee's
that real middle class), has a history of wanting more government involvement
in our daily lives.

This choice boils down to several simple ideologies:
Bush
Tax people less and let them decide on how to spend their own money
Let Christians live with their beliefs, not be told when and where they can
express their beliefs
Economic growth is based on a secure nation. Think of what would happen if
following 9-11 there had been another one in 6 months. We would have been in
a depression regardless of who was president.
Common sense enviornmental policy, we are a fossil fuel based economy, no
new technology has proven to be less cost effective we should be beefing up
US based oil production and drilling in Anwar, building some refineries and
pushing hydrogen technology.
Job growth is based on sound economic principles, not economic
protectionism. Time forces jobs to change, how many jobs were the around
home computers 50 years ago, zero they didn't exist. How many blacksmiths
and carriage builders do we need today verses a 100 years ago, virtually
none.
Free enterprise works.
A person should be able to invest a small amout of the money they would
otherwise pay into social security, so they can be better off financially
when the retire.

Kerry,
Tax to supply the government money to control our lives.
Give preference not equality to athiests
Economic growth is based on government growth.
Enviornmental policy is - to hell with the economy as long as it saves the
purple striped coachroach from the endangered spieces list. Add 50 cents a
gallon to gasoline so we use less.
Job growth is via protectionism. i.e. prevent outsourcing, and have US
consomers pay higher costs for goods and services.
Wants to keep the elites seperated from the working class via depending on
the government instead of themselves.

Folks the left has lied to you for years. They say "trust the government it
will take care of you". Example social security, medicare, medicade,
unemployment insurance, prescription drugs, OSHA, public schools, school
lunch programs, agricultural price support..... Guess who pays, you the
taxpayer. Wonder why its tough to compete with foreign labor, they don't
have those costs to support! The left says big business is all corrupt and
it's your enemy, hmm they provide jobs, benifits, community involvement,
investment opportunities for people to make money, yea there really bad
alright.

tony1158 wrote:

Hi all,

The question is "are you better off now, then you were 4 years ago?" If
the answer is yes, vote for Bush, if the answer is no, vote for Kerry.

Tony

www.votepair.org

"Phil" wrote in message
...

On the other hand we have a candidate that was analyzed as the most
LIBERAL
Senator in the US Senate based on his record. Folks a Zebra's stripes
don't
change.

Woah, you're misinformed!

I'll reply to one point, the one above. Here's text copied and pasted
directly from the publication that Bush/Cheney cited when they wrongly
labeled Kerry as the most liberal senator:


"It didn't take long after the ratings were published in February for
Republicans and talking heads to start using Kerry's rating as a weapon
against him. Sometimes, the people citing the ratings would note that Kerry
was ranked as the most liberal senator in 2003. More often, the sound bite
would be that National Journal had ranked Kerry as "the most liberal
senator," without any reference to 2003. Occasionally, Republicans would
assert that Kerry had been ranked the most liberal senator on the basis of
his entire Senate career.

"But if the standard is votes over a lifetime, Kerry isn't the most liberal
senator. By that measure, Kerry is the 11th-most-liberal senator, coming in
below such Democrats as Paul Sarbanes of Maryland, Barbara Boxer of
California, and, yes, Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts, according to a
National Journal analysis published in March.

"John Edwards, who was ranked the fourth-most-liberal senator in 2003 (and
who also missed many votes that year), is the 27th-most-liberal senator
based on votes over his career."

http://nationaljournal.com/about/njw...ralratings.htm

"Jeff Harper" wrote in message
...

"Phil" wrote in message
...

On the other hand we have a candidate that was analyzed as the most
LIBERAL
Senator in the US Senate based on his record. Folks a Zebra's stripes
don't
change.

Woah, you're misinformed!

"But if the standard is votes over a lifetime, Kerry isn't the most
liberal
senator. By that measure, Kerry is the 11th-most-liberal senator, coming
in
below such Democrats as Paul Sarbanes of Maryland, Barbara Boxer of
California, and, yes, Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts, according to a
National Journal analysis published in March.

http://nationaljournal.com/about/njw...ralratings.htm

Whew! I sure am relieved that Kerry is only the *11th* most liberal
senator. Nipping on the heels of Barbara Boxer and Ted Kennedy isn't
exactly putting you on the conservative side of the Democratic party. Any
way you slice it, the guy's a BIG TIME liberal. Now, being a BIG TIME
liberal isn't a crime, so why not embrace it instead of pretending you're
some kind of centrist?

todd

"Todd Fatheree" wrote in message
...
"Jeff Harper" wrote in message
...

"Phil" wrote in message
...

On the other hand we have a candidate that was analyzed as the most
LIBERAL
Senator in the US Senate based on his record. Folks a Zebra's stripes
don't
change.

Woah, you're misinformed!

"But if the standard is votes over a lifetime, Kerry isn't the most
liberal
senator. By that measure, Kerry is the 11th-most-liberal senator, coming
in
below such Democrats as Paul Sarbanes of Maryland, Barbara Boxer of
California, and, yes, Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts, according to a
National Journal analysis published in March.


http://nationaljournal.com/about/njw...ralratings.htm

Whew! I sure am relieved that Kerry is only the *11th* most liberal
senator. Nipping on the heels of Barbara Boxer and Ted Kennedy isn't
exactly putting you on the conservative side of the Democratic party. Any
way you slice it, the guy's a BIG TIME liberal. Now, being a BIG TIME
liberal isn't a crime, so why not embrace it instead of pretending you're
some kind of centrist?

How many Democratic senators are there Todd? You know there are only 100
senators, right? And that less than half of them are Democrats, right?
He's not even in the most liberal 20% of Democrats. That's a far cry from
"most liberal," and it reveals the unethical deliberate misinformation
tactics of Cheney and Bush.

"Jeff Harper" wrote in message
...

"Todd Fatheree" wrote in message
...
"Jeff Harper" wrote in message
...

"Phil" wrote in message
...

On the other hand we have a candidate that was analyzed as the most
LIBERAL
Senator in the US Senate based on his record. Folks a Zebra's
stripes
don't
change.

Woah, you're misinformed!

"But if the standard is votes over a lifetime, Kerry isn't the most
liberal
senator. By that measure, Kerry is the 11th-most-liberal senator,
coming
in
below such Democrats as Paul Sarbanes of Maryland, Barbara Boxer of
California, and, yes, Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts, according to a
National Journal analysis published in March.



http://nationaljournal.com/about/njw...ralratings.htm

Whew! I sure am relieved that Kerry is only the *11th* most liberal
senator. Nipping on the heels of Barbara Boxer and Ted Kennedy isn't
exactly putting you on the conservative side of the Democratic party.
Any
way you slice it, the guy's a BIG TIME liberal. Now, being a BIG TIME
liberal isn't a crime, so why not embrace it instead of pretending
you're
some kind of centrist?

How many Democratic senators are there Todd? You know there are only 100
senators, right? And that less than half of them are Democrats, right?
He's not even in the most liberal 20% of Democrats. That's a far cry from
"most liberal," and it reveals the unethical deliberate misinformation
tactics of Cheney and Bush.

You assume that there is some kind a a normal statistical distribution among
Democrats of liberal ratings. In fact, at the upper end, the scores are
skewed heavily liberal. Let's see, the most liberal senator, Mark Dayton,
received a lifetime liberal score of 90.3 (I guess nobody's perfect). Kerry
received an 85.7. That's 95% of the highest score. You can try to call
that centrist, but I won't. OK, he's not the "most liberal". How does "one
of the most liberal" work?

todd

Uninformed, yea right, look at the results of campaign finace reform, Clinton's free
immunization program, the left's affordable healthcare is a fundamental right,
welfare... Yep we're all payin for those people that are uniformed and don't
understand economics.


Jeff Harper wrote:

"Phil" wrote in message
...

On the other hand we have a candidate that was analyzed as the most
LIBERAL
Senator in the US Senate based on his record. Folks a Zebra's stripes
don't
change.

Woah, you're misinformed!

I'll reply to one point, the one above. Here's text copied and pasted
directly from the publication that Bush/Cheney cited when they wrongly
labeled Kerry as the most liberal senator:

"It didn't take long after the ratings were published in February for
Republicans and talking heads to start using Kerry's rating as a weapon
against him. Sometimes, the people citing the ratings would note that Kerry
was ranked as the most liberal senator in 2003. More often, the sound bite
would be that National Journal had ranked Kerry as "the most liberal
senator," without any reference to 2003. Occasionally, Republicans would
assert that Kerry had been ranked the most liberal senator on the basis of
his entire Senate career.

"But if the standard is votes over a lifetime, Kerry isn't the most liberal
senator. By that measure, Kerry is the 11th-most-liberal senator, coming in
below such Democrats as Paul Sarbanes of Maryland, Barbara Boxer of
California, and, yes, Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts, according to a
National Journal analysis published in March.

"John Edwards, who was ranked the fourth-most-liberal senator in 2003 (and
who also missed many votes that year), is the 27th-most-liberal senator
based on votes over his career."

http://nationaljournal.com/about/njw...ralratings.htm