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OT: Gas shortage
On Thu, 13 May 2021 13:16:07 -0500, dpb wrote:
On 5/13/2021 11:50 AM, knuttle wrote: On 5/13/2021 12:13 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: knuttle writes: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the small* nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? Hm.. There's only one US nuclear reactor currently in orbit. SNAP-10A. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNAP-10A The russians had a reactor that deorbited unexpectedly and contaminated parts of northern Canada in 1977. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US-A The last two Mars rovers have had Pu-powered RTG's - radioisotope thermal generators, which don't use fission, but rather are powered by the heat generated as the Pu decays into daughter products.* On the downside, the power is limited to sub 1kw, which won't run a car for very long. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioi...tric_generator Satellites use solar panels. DARPA is working with Lockmart on the Draco project to test a new reactor design in space for military satellites - it will use HALEU (High-Assay, Low-Enriched Uranium) rather than the HEU (Highly-enriched Uranium) in the Draco test reactor. *** "The demo system won't operate in an orbit where it has **** any - even a remote - chance of coming back to Earth." Might as well wish for a car powered by a Mr. Fusion device. This research could have been done decades ago using the Trillions of dollars that have been spent to kill nuclear energy.** The whole Manhattan project took about 5 years.** Think what could have been done in those 70 years with those trillions of dollars.* What a missed opportunity. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/after-decades-decline-us-national-fusion-lab-seeks-rebirth Nuclear fusion is only five years away. Nothing has changed in fifty years. It's always been five years away. BTW, what happened to cold nuclear fusion? |
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On Thu, 13 May 2021 15:42:47 -0400, knuttle
wrote: On 5/13/2021 3:32 PM, J. Clarke wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2021 13:16:07 -0500, dpb wrote: On 5/13/2021 11:50 AM, knuttle wrote: On 5/13/2021 12:13 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: knuttle writes: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the small* nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? Hm.. There's only one US nuclear reactor currently in orbit. SNAP-10A. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNAP-10A The russians had a reactor that deorbited unexpectedly and contaminated parts of northern Canada in 1977. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US-A The last two Mars rovers have had Pu-powered RTG's - radioisotope thermal generators, which don't use fission, but rather are powered by the heat generated as the Pu decays into daughter products.* On the downside, the power is limited to sub 1kw, which won't run a car for very long. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioi...tric_generator Satellites use solar panels. DARPA is working with Lockmart on the Draco project to test a new reactor design in space for military satellites - it will use HALEU (High-Assay, Low-Enriched Uranium) rather than the HEU (Highly-enriched Uranium) in the Draco test reactor. *** "The demo system won't operate in an orbit where it has **** any - even a remote - chance of coming back to Earth." Might as well wish for a car powered by a Mr. Fusion device. This research could have been done decades ago using the Trillions of dollars that have been spent to kill nuclear energy.** The whole Manhattan project took about 5 years.** Think what could have been done in those 70 years with those trillions of dollars.* What a missed opportunity. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/after-decades-decline-us-national-fusion-lab-seeks-rebirth "Trillions of dollars" aren't going to make fusion happen. Every time they think they've got all the problems solved, they find a new one. Fusion is going to happen when one day they think they've got all the problems solved and their new test reactor _doesn't_ find a new one. I was not thinking of spending trillions for fusion. I was thinking of cleaning up and reusing the spent nuclear fuel; This seems like a chemistry and physics problem. Improving the reactors and the control systems them self. The development of small portable high efficiency nuclear reactors. There are answers but they aren't politically correct. Nothing that actually works (that "science" thing) is politically correct. |
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On Thu, 13 May 2021 10:06:02 -0700 (PDT), Brian Welch
wrote: On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 12:58:01 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote: On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 11:31:34 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 5/13/2021 10:46 AM, knuttle wrote: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? Gas shortage? Oh, you mean the one caused by stupid people filling up every empty can, bottle, and jar they have. They made a minor inconvenience for a few a major ordeal for many. You mean people like these? https://i.imgur.com/nSWgPfR.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ujpIdsP.jpg The one of the pick up truck is an actual picture taken by my buddy in Florida. He drove down from NYS before this happened and he's not sure if he'll be able to get back, not knowing if he'll be able to get gas on the way back. I can't speak for the validity of the trunk full of bags. If the trunk is filled with plastic bags full of petrol, we most likely will be reading about the newest Darwin Award recipient, and maybe the most deserving of them all... They WERTE fiklling trassh bags ---- Haven't hearf of any blowing up YRT. |
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On Thu, 13 May 2021 13:12:49 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 5/13/2021 9:46 AM, knuttle wrote: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the small* nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? No lines here! The Colonial pipeline *starts* Texas. You're a gazinta state, not a gazouta state. I'm surprised that you're not knee deep in oil from all the backup. |
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On 5/13/2021 7:59 PM, Markem618 wrote:
On Thu, 13 May 2021 20:48:15 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2021 10:46:59 -0400, knuttle wrote: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? I'm not sure I want to be driving around on several pounds of plutonium. Yes but they do want you driving around with a load of Lithium. Safer by a pretty good margin but. For some maybe. LOL. Take the doctor and his attorney buddy in Houston a few weeks ago. Left the doctors house in his Tesla with his buddy. Leaving home and 800 feet later a firey crash into some trees, going 30 mph. The fire department had a difficult time putting those batteries out once the caught fire. And an odd side note, no on was in the drivers seat. They found 2 unidentifiable, not even enough for dental records, bodies in the back seat. |
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On 5/13/2021 9:54 PM, Leon wrote:
For some maybe.Â* LOL.Â* Take the doctor and his attorney buddy in Houston a few weeks ago.Â* Left the doctors house in his Tesla with his buddy. Leaving home and 800 feet later a firey crash into some trees, going 30 mph.Â* The fire department had a difficult time putting those batteries out once the caught fire. And an odd side note, no on was in the drivers seat.Â* They found 2 unidentifiable, not even enough for dental records, bodies in the back seat. Hey Leon, wait 'til you see what my car can do on it own. Hop in the back seat with me, this is going to be fun. |
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On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 9:54:44 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 5/13/2021 7:59 PM, Markem618 wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2021 20:48:15 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2021 10:46:59 -0400, knuttle wrote: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? I'm not sure I want to be driving around on several pounds of plutonium. Yes but they do want you driving around with a load of Lithium. Safer by a pretty good margin but. For some maybe. LOL. Take the doctor and his attorney buddy in Houston a few weeks ago. Left the doctors house in his Tesla with his buddy. Leaving home and 800 feet later a firey crash into some trees, going 30 mph. The fire department had a difficult time putting those batteries out once the caught fire. And an odd side note, no on was in the drivers seat. They found 2 unidentifiable, not even enough for dental records, bodies in the back seat. From: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...marshal-report "Teslas vice president of vehicle engineering, Lars Moravy, said Monday on an earnings call that the company found the steering wheel of the vehicle to be deformed, leading to the likelihood that someone was in the drivers seat at the time of the crash. The company didnt have an immediate comment on the report. Its cooperating with investigators. Police with the Harris County Precinct 4 Constables Office initially said that €śno one€ť was in the drivers seat, which led to speculation that the vehicles Autopilot technology may have been a factor. Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk took to Twitter to refute that notion. William Varner, 59, and Everette Talbot, 69, were both found dead when first responders arrived on scene. Talbot was seated in the right front passenger seat with his upper torso €śin a forward-leaning position, with both arms rolled forward." Varner was seated in the left rear passenger seat with his upper torso €śin a rear-leaning position, with both arms rolled back and in a pugilistic pose.€ť €ť Somebody mentioned Darwin a little earlier in the thread. This was written in another article: "...on Monday, Tesla founder Elon Musk wrote on Twitter that "data logs recovered so far show Autopilot was not enabled & this car did not purchase FSD" -- a reference to "full self-driving" capability. "Moreover,'' he continued, "standard Autopilot would require lane lines to turn on, which this street did not have." " Perhaps the good doctor had more money than brains. |
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On 5/13/2021 9:47 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/13/2021 9:54 PM, Leon wrote: For some maybe.Â* LOL.Â* Take the doctor and his attorney buddy in Houston a few weeks ago.Â* Left the doctors house in his Tesla with his buddy. Leaving home and 800 feet later a firey crash into some trees, going 30 mph.Â* The fire department had a difficult time putting those batteries out once the caught fire. And an odd side note, no on was in the drivers seat.Â* They found 2 unidentifiable, not even enough for dental records, bodies in the back seat. Hey Leon, wait 'til you see what my car can do on it own.Â* Hop in the back seat with me, this is going to be fun. Yeah! Sounds like a "Here hold my Beer" moment! |
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On 5/13/2021 9:47 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Hey Leon, wait 'til you see what my car can do on it own.Â* Hop in the back seat with me, this is going to be fun. The best part is that you don't need anyone to hold your beer! -- Dave in SoTex |
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On 5/13/2021 10:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 9:54:44 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote: On 5/13/2021 7:59 PM, Markem618 wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2021 20:48:15 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2021 10:46:59 -0400, knuttle wrote: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? I'm not sure I want to be driving around on several pounds of plutonium. Yes but they do want you driving around with a load of Lithium. Safer by a pretty good margin but. For some maybe. LOL. Take the doctor and his attorney buddy in Houston a few weeks ago. Left the doctors house in his Tesla with his buddy. Leaving home and 800 feet later a firey crash into some trees, going 30 mph. The fire department had a difficult time putting those batteries out once the caught fire. And an odd side note, no on was in the drivers seat. They found 2 unidentifiable, not even enough for dental records, bodies in the back seat. From: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...marshal-report "Teslas vice president of vehicle engineering, Lars Moravy, said Monday on an earnings call that the company found the steering wheel of the vehicle to be deformed, leading to the likelihood that someone was in the drivers seat at the time of the crash. And yet no body was found in the drivers seat.... The front seat could have been holding the doctors bag and or the attorneys brief case to fool the vehicle into believing some one was in the front drivers seat... The company didnt have an immediate comment on the report. Its cooperating with investigators. Police with the Harris County Precinct 4 Constables Office initially said that €śno one€ť was in the drivers seat, which led to speculation that the vehicles Autopilot technology may have been a factor. Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk took to Twitter to refute that notion. William Varner, 59, and Everette Talbot, 69, were both found dead when first responders arrived on scene. Talbot was seated in the right front passenger seat with his upper torso €śin a forward-leaning position, with both arms rolled forward." Varner was seated in the left rear passenger seat with his upper torso €śin a rear-leaning position, with both arms rolled back and in a pugilistic pose.€ť €ť Somebody mentioned Darwin a little earlier in the thread. This was written in another article: "...on Monday, Tesla founder Elon Musk wrote on Twitter that "data logs recovered so far show Autopilot was not enabled & this car did not purchase FSD" -- a reference to "full self-driving" capability. And yet, you cannot argue with 2 cooked bodies and neither was in the drivers seat. "Moreover,'' he continued, "standard Autopilot would require lane lines to turn on, which this street did not have." " That would explain the crash but not how the car made it to the crash site. Perhaps the good doctor had more money than brains. That was the obvious. |
OT: Gas shortage
On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 10:43:46 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 5/13/2021 10:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote: On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 9:54:44 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote: On 5/13/2021 7:59 PM, Markem618 wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2021 20:48:15 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2021 10:46:59 -0400, knuttle wrote: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? I'm not sure I want to be driving around on several pounds of plutonium. Yes but they do want you driving around with a load of Lithium. Safer by a pretty good margin but. For some maybe. LOL. Take the doctor and his attorney buddy in Houston a few weeks ago. Left the doctors house in his Tesla with his buddy. Leaving home and 800 feet later a firey crash into some trees, going 30 mph. The fire department had a difficult time putting those batteries out once the caught fire. And an odd side note, no on was in the drivers seat. They found 2 unidentifiable, not even enough for dental records, bodies in the back seat. From: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...marshal-report "Teslas vice president of vehicle engineering, Lars Moravy, said Monday on an earnings call that the company found the steering wheel of the vehicle to be deformed, leading to the likelihood that someone was in the drivers seat at the time of the crash. And yet no body was found in the drivers seat.... The front seat could have been holding the doctors bag and or the attorneys brief case to fool the vehicle into believing some one was in the front drivers seat... I'm not saying that you're wrong, but *something* deformed the steering wheel and I'm pretty sure that a doctor's bag [do doctors actually carry bags anymore ;-) ] and/or an attorney's briefcase would not: 1 - Be heavy enough to convince the car that a human was sitting in the seat 2 - Be strong enough or positioned correctly to deform the steering wheel On my Hondas, the weight range to turn on the "Passenger Air Bag Off" light is somewhere 0 up to 65 lbs. I am assuming (I know, dangerous) that the Tesla has a higher threshold to determine if a passenger is in the driver's seat. Heck, I don't even know if it checks, but if it does, I'd bet it's higher than the weight of the average 10 YO. i.e. much heavier than your average brief case. If this had happened on NCIS or CSI, there would have been a multiple perfectly situated security cameras to determine where the occupants were sitting. ;-) Or they'd build a scale (or maybe even full-sized) model and recreate the crash to see if the driver could have been knocked into the rear seat by the impact. The authorities (or probably Tesla) may even be doing that in this case. The company didnt have an immediate comment on the report. Its cooperating with investigators. Police with the Harris County Precinct 4 Constables Office initially said that €śno one€ť was in the drivers seat, which led to speculation that the vehicles Autopilot technology may have been a factor. Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk took to Twitter to refute that notion. William Varner, 59, and Everette Talbot, 69, were both found dead when first responders arrived on scene. Talbot was seated in the right front passenger seat with his upper torso €śin a forward-leaning position, with both arms rolled forward." Varner was seated in the left rear passenger seat with his upper torso €śin a rear-leaning position, with both arms rolled back and in a pugilistic pose.€ť €ť Somebody mentioned Darwin a little earlier in the thread. This was written in another article: "...on Monday, Tesla founder Elon Musk wrote on Twitter that "data logs recovered so far show Autopilot was not enabled & this car did not purchase FSD" -- a reference to "full self-driving" capability. And yet, you cannot argue with 2 cooked bodies and neither was in the drivers seat. I can't argue, but I can speculate. There are studies that show that the "yielding seats" that many car makers use these days are actually more dangerous than non-yielding seats. Some say that the manufacturers can get away with using cheaper, inferior seats by claiming that the yielding feature absorbs the energy of the collision. Perhaps the seat failed allowing the driver to be thrown into the rear seat. Hopefully, a full forensic analysis of the vehicle will determine what actually happened. (Do I know if Tesla uses yielding seats to keep the cost down? No. That's why I called this merely speculation.) "Moreover,'' he continued, "standard Autopilot would require lane lines to turn on, which this street did not have." " That would explain the crash but not how the car made it to the crash site. Perhaps the good doctor had more money than brains. That was the obvious. |
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On Fri, 14 May 2021 09:36:28 -0500, DaveInSoTex wrote:
On 5/13/2021 7:56 PM, wrote: I saw a video of that one. Obviously not a DOT approved container. I hope he realizes that that's about 3000 lbs of gasoline, maybe more. Look at his suspension now, and it's only half full. At ~8 lbs/gal that would be about 375 gallons. You think? ~4' x ~4' x ~4' x 8gal/ft^3 ~= 500gal * 6lbs/gal = 3000lbs. It's purported to be gasoline (6lbs/gal), not water (8lbs/gal). |
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On Thu, 13 May 2021 19:59:56 -0500, Markem618
wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2021 20:48:15 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2021 10:46:59 -0400, knuttle wrote: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? I'm not sure I want to be driving around on several pounds of plutonium. Yes but they do want you driving around with a load of Lithium. Safer by a pretty good margin but. That's not the worst problem with lithium. The fires are pretty bad but if the lefties (i.e. communists) really cared about the environment, they'd look into the mining operations. Electric cars are NOT clean. |
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On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 11:31:17 AM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 10:43:46 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote: On 5/13/2021 10:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote: On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 9:54:44 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote: On 5/13/2021 7:59 PM, Markem618 wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2021 20:48:15 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2021 10:46:59 -0400, knuttle wrote: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? I'm not sure I want to be driving around on several pounds of plutonium. Yes but they do want you driving around with a load of Lithium. Safer by a pretty good margin but. For some maybe. LOL. Take the doctor and his attorney buddy in Houston a few weeks ago. Left the doctors house in his Tesla with his buddy. Leaving home and 800 feet later a firey crash into some trees, going 30 mph. The fire department had a difficult time putting those batteries out once the caught fire. And an odd side note, no on was in the drivers seat. They found 2 unidentifiable, not even enough for dental records, bodies in the back seat. From: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...marshal-report "Teslas vice president of vehicle engineering, Lars Moravy, said Monday on an earnings call that the company found the steering wheel of the vehicle to be deformed, leading to the likelihood that someone was in the drivers seat at the time of the crash. And yet no body was found in the drivers seat.... The front seat could have been holding the doctors bag and or the attorneys brief case to fool the vehicle into believing some one was in the front drivers seat.... I'm not saying that you're wrong, but *something* deformed the steering wheel and I'm pretty sure that a doctor's bag [do doctors actually carry bags anymore ;-) ] and/or an attorney's briefcase would not: 1 - Be heavy enough to convince the car that a human was sitting in the seat 2 - Be strong enough or positioned correctly to deform the steering wheel On my Hondas, the weight range to turn on the "Passenger Air Bag Off" light is somewhere 0 up to 65 lbs. I am assuming (I know, dangerous) that the Tesla has a higher threshold to determine if a passenger is in the driver's seat. Heck, I don't even know if it checks, but if it does, I'd bet it's higher than the weight of the average 10 YO. i.e. much heavier than your average brief case. By passenger, I obviously meant "person". If this had happened on NCIS or CSI, there would have been a multiple perfectly situated security cameras to determine where the occupants were sitting. ;-) Or they'd build a scale (or maybe even full-sized) model and recreate the crash to see if the driver could have been knocked into the rear seat by the impact. The authorities (or probably Tesla) may even be doing that in this case. The company didnt have an immediate comment on the report. Its cooperating with investigators. Police with the Harris County Precinct 4 Constables Office initially said that €śno one€ť was in the drivers seat, which led to speculation that the vehicles Autopilot technology may have been a factor. Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk took to Twitter to refute that notion. William Varner, 59, and Everette Talbot, 69, were both found dead when first responders arrived on scene. Talbot was seated in the right front passenger seat with his upper torso €śin a forward-leaning position, with both arms rolled forward." Varner was seated in the left rear passenger seat with his upper torso €śin a rear-leaning position, with both arms rolled back and in a pugilistic pose.€ť €ť Somebody mentioned Darwin a little earlier in the thread. This was written in another article: "...on Monday, Tesla founder Elon Musk wrote on Twitter that "data logs recovered so far show Autopilot was not enabled & this car did not purchase FSD" -- a reference to "full self-driving" capability. And yet, you cannot argue with 2 cooked bodies and neither was in the drivers seat. I can't argue, but I can speculate. There are studies that show that the "yielding seats" that many car makers use these days are actually more dangerous than non-yielding seats. Some say that the manufacturers can get away with using cheaper, inferior seats by claiming that the yielding feature absorbs the energy of the collision.. Perhaps the seat failed allowing the driver to be thrown into the rear seat. Hopefully, a full forensic analysis of the vehicle will determine what actually happened. (Do I know if Tesla uses yielding seats to keep the cost down? No. That's why I called this merely speculation.) "Moreover,'' he continued, "standard Autopilot would require lane lines to turn on, which this street did not have." " That would explain the crash but not how the car made it to the crash site. Perhaps the good doctor had more money than brains. That was the obvious. |
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On Thu, 13 May 2021 20:54:37 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 5/13/2021 7:59 PM, Markem618 wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2021 20:48:15 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2021 10:46:59 -0400, knuttle wrote: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? I'm not sure I want to be driving around on several pounds of plutonium. Yes but they do want you driving around with a load of Lithium. Safer by a pretty good margin but. For some maybe. LOL. Take the doctor and his attorney buddy in Houston a few weeks ago. Left the doctors house in his Tesla with his buddy. Leaving home and 800 feet later a firey crash into some trees, going 30 mph. The fire department had a difficult time putting those batteries out once the caught fire. And an odd side note, no on was in the drivers seat. They found 2 unidentifiable, not even enough for dental records, bodies in the back seat. Don't tell the Mafia! Hmm, I wonder if one was Jimmy Hoffa? |
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On Thu, 13 May 2021 22:47:29 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/13/2021 9:54 PM, Leon wrote: For some maybe.* LOL.* Take the doctor and his attorney buddy in Houston a few weeks ago.* Left the doctors house in his Tesla with his buddy. Leaving home and 800 feet later a firey crash into some trees, going 30 mph.* The fire department had a difficult time putting those batteries out once the caught fire. And an odd side note, no on was in the drivers seat.* They found 2 unidentifiable, not even enough for dental records, bodies in the back seat. Hey Leon, wait 'til you see what my car can do on it own. Hop in the back seat with me, this is going to be fun. TMI! |
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On Thu, 13 May 2021 21:03:38 -0400, knuttle
wrote: On 5/13/2021 8:48 PM, wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2021 10:46:59 -0400, knuttle wrote: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? I'm not sure I want to be driving around on several pounds of plutonium. Your comment reminds me of the safe pharmaceutical that had a 8000 gallon tan of Ethylene Oxide on the outside of the building wall. It things went different and that thing exploded it would have taking out the several acre building, and many of the surrounding homes. Or it just leaking into the air poisoning everyone for miles around. OR The tank farm a few miles from our house, It is the petroleum distribution point for out area. There are over a dozen 240 thousand gallon tanks. Imagine that thing getting out of hand. Gas burns and needs air. It doesn't go bang (not enough oxygen) and doesn't burn until the fuel is exhausted (i.e. doesn't need air). There are many radioactive compounds other than Plutonium that could be used in the "nuclear" electrical unit. Pt is the favorite fuel used in RTG used for deep space missions. |
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On Fri, 14 May 2021 09:36:28 -0500, DaveInSoTex wrote:
On 5/13/2021 7:56 PM, wrote: I saw a video of that one. Obviously not a DOT approved container. I hope he realizes that that's about 3000 lbs of gasoline, maybe more. Look at his suspension now, and it's only half full. At ~8 lbs/gal that would be about 375 gallons. You think? If that is a 4 ft cube it is 500 gallons when full. If it is a 5 dt cube it is 900+ gallons. Anf gasoline weighs 6 .3 lb per gallon - not 8 - so 3000 lbs is 476 gallond - about half a 5 ft cube. or almost a full 4 footer |
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DerbyDad03 writes:
On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 10:43:46 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote: And yet no body was found in the drivers seat.... The front seat could=20 have been holding the doctors bag and or the attorneys brief case to=20 fool the vehicle into believing some one was in the front drivers seat... I'm not saying that you're wrong, but *something* deformed the steering=20 wheel and I'm pretty sure that a doctor's bag [do doctors actually carry=20 bags anymore ;-) ] and/or an attorney's briefcase would not: Good Grief People! Wait until the NTSB report is available and stop speculating with zero facts. |
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On Thu, 13 May 2021 21:07:30 -0400, wrote:
BTW, what happened to cold nuclear fusion? Over the last 30+ years the proponents of LENR have wasted a lot of money proving what knowledgeable Nuclear Scientists already knew - it won't work. It is right up there with Perpetual Motion machines. However, some people still believe... -- Jerry O. |
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On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 2:14:18 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
DerbyDad03 writes: On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 10:43:46 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote: And yet no body was found in the drivers seat.... The front seat could=20 have been holding the doctors bag and or the attorneys brief case to=20 fool the vehicle into believing some one was in the front drivers seat... I'm not saying that you're wrong, but *something* deformed the steering=20 wheel and I'm pretty sure that a doctor's bag [do doctors actually carry=20 bags anymore ;-) ] and/or an attorney's briefcase would not: Good Grief People! Wait until the NTSB report is available and stop speculating with zero facts. Good Grief Scott! Does it really bother you that we are have fun tossing around opinions? As a matter of fact, I'm having more fun speculating than I ever will once the facts are known. I actually don't give a crap about the actual incident. The fun part for me is speculating and seeing how close I can come. |
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On 5/14/2021 10:31 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 10:43:46 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote: On 5/13/2021 10:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote: On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 9:54:44 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote: On 5/13/2021 7:59 PM, Markem618 wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2021 20:48:15 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2021 10:46:59 -0400, knuttle wrote: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? I'm not sure I want to be driving around on several pounds of plutonium. Yes but they do want you driving around with a load of Lithium. Safer by a pretty good margin but. For some maybe. LOL. Take the doctor and his attorney buddy in Houston a few weeks ago. Left the doctors house in his Tesla with his buddy. Leaving home and 800 feet later a firey crash into some trees, going 30 mph. The fire department had a difficult time putting those batteries out once the caught fire. And an odd side note, no on was in the drivers seat. They found 2 unidentifiable, not even enough for dental records, bodies in the back seat. From: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...marshal-report "Teslas vice president of vehicle engineering, Lars Moravy, said Monday on an earnings call that the company found the steering wheel of the vehicle to be deformed, leading to the likelihood that someone was in the drivers seat at the time of the crash. And yet no body was found in the drivers seat.... The front seat could have been holding the doctors bag and or the attorneys brief case to fool the vehicle into believing some one was in the front drivers seat... I'm not saying that you're wrong, but *something* deformed the steering wheel and I'm pretty sure that a doctor's bag [do doctors actually carry bags anymore ;-) ] and/or an attorney's briefcase would not: The ones on TV do! ;~) 1 - Be heavy enough to convince the car that a human was sitting in the seat 2 - Be strong enough or positioned correctly to deform the steering wheel Even the heat of the fire will deform the steering wheel. The vehicle was unrecognizable. Did you happen to see the video's? On my Hondas, the weight range to turn on the "Passenger Air Bag Off" light is somewhere 0 up to 65 lbs. I am assuming (I know, dangerous) that the Tesla has a higher threshold to determine if a passenger is in the driver's seat. Heck, I don't even know if it checks, but if it does, I'd bet it's higher than the weight of the average 10 YO. i.e. much heavier than your average brief case. If this had happened on NCIS or CSI, there would have been a multiple perfectly situated security cameras to determine where the occupants were sitting. ;-) Or they'd build a scale (or maybe even full-sized) model and recreate the crash to see if the driver could have been knocked into the rear seat by the impact. The authorities (or probably Tesla) may even be doing that in this case. The company didnt have an immediate comment on the report. Its cooperating with investigators. Police with the Harris County Precinct 4 Constables Office initially said that €śno one€ť was in the drivers seat, which led to speculation that the vehicles Autopilot technology may have been a factor. Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk took to Twitter to refute that notion. William Varner, 59, and Everette Talbot, 69, were both found dead when first responders arrived on scene. Talbot was seated in the right front passenger seat with his upper torso €śin a forward-leaning position, with both arms rolled forward." Varner was seated in the left rear passenger seat with his upper torso €śin a rear-leaning position, with both arms rolled back and in a pugilistic pose.€ť €ť Somebody mentioned Darwin a little earlier in the thread. This was written in another article: "...on Monday, Tesla founder Elon Musk wrote on Twitter that "data logs recovered so far show Autopilot was not enabled & this car did not purchase FSD" -- a reference to "full self-driving" capability. And yet, you cannot argue with 2 cooked bodies and neither was in the drivers seat. I can't argue, but I can speculate. There are studies that show that the "yielding seats" that many car makers use these days are actually more dangerous than non-yielding seats. Some say that the manufacturers can get away with using cheaper, inferior seats by claiming that the yielding feature absorbs the energy of the collision. Perhaps the seat failed allowing the driver to be thrown into the rear seat. Hopefully, a full forensic analysis of the vehicle will determine what actually happened. Well the car was only going 30 mph so who knows about the seat. Seems to me a 30 mph crash should not have been so devastating. (Do I know if Tesla uses yielding seats to keep the cost down? No. That's why I called this merely speculation.) "Moreover,'' he continued, "standard Autopilot would require lane lines to turn on, which this street did not have." " That would explain the crash but not how the car made it to the crash site. Perhaps the good doctor had more money than brains. That was the obvious. |
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On 5/14/2021 1:14 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
DerbyDad03 writes: On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 10:43:46 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote: And yet no body was found in the drivers seat.... The front seat could=20 have been holding the doctors bag and or the attorneys brief case to=20 fool the vehicle into believing some one was in the front drivers seat... I'm not saying that you're wrong, but *something* deformed the steering=20 wheel and I'm pretty sure that a doctor's bag [do doctors actually carry=20 bags anymore ;-) ] and/or an attorney's briefcase would not: Good Grief People! Wait until the NTSB report is available and stop speculating with zero facts. Well the NTSB can speculate all it wants but no body in the drivers seat pretty much explains the crash. |
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On 5/14/2021 10:34 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 13 May 2021 19:59:56 -0500, Markem618 wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2021 20:48:15 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2021 10:46:59 -0400, knuttle wrote: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? I'm not sure I want to be driving around on several pounds of plutonium. Yes but they do want you driving around with a load of Lithium. Safer by a pretty good margin but. That's not the worst problem with lithium. The fires are pretty bad but if the lefties (i.e. communists) really cared about the environment, they'd look into the mining operations. Electric cars are NOT clean. I have probably mentioned this here before. One of the car magazines did a study comparing a Hummer to a Prius, many years ago. From the beginning of manufacture, through the life of the vehicle, and finally to disposal, the Prius was worse for the environment. |
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In rec.woodworking, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Does it really bother you that we are have fun tossing around opinions? As a matter of fact, I'm having more fun speculating than I ever will once the facts are known. I actually don't give a crap about the actual incident. The fun part for me is speculating and seeing how close I can come. Here's some fun fuel for the fire. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...-in-back-seat/ Demoing people driving Teslas from the backseat, and being arrogant enough to due it for the press after getting out on bail for being arrested for doing it. This guy is a notorious troll with money from his parents. Elijah ------ one wonders how long till the driver's license is revoked |
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On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 7:13:09 PM UTC-4, Eli the Bearded wrote:
In rec.woodworking, DerbyDad03 wrote: Does it really bother you that we are have fun tossing around opinions? As a matter of fact, I'm having more fun speculating than I ever will once the facts are known. I actually don't give a crap about the actual incident. The fun part for me is speculating and seeing how close I can come. Here's some fun fuel for the fire. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...-in-back-seat/ Demoing people driving Teslas from the backseat, and being arrogant enough to due it for the press after getting out on bail for being arrested for doing it. This guy is a notorious troll with money from his parents. Interesting comment from Sharma: ""I've been brake-checked before really hard, and the car stopped. The car came to a complete stop." In other words "When I'm in the driver's seat I aggressively tailgate other drivers." When someone is tailgating me, the first brake check is barely enough to flash the brake lights. If it ever gets to the point that the brake check is "really hard", it means that the tailgater isn't getting/taking my hint. If someone had to brake check so hard as to cause Sharma's Tesla to stop, Sharma must really be a dick. |
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On Fri, 14 May 2021 08:31:14 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote: On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 10:43:46 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote: On 5/13/2021 10:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote: On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 9:54:44 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote: On 5/13/2021 7:59 PM, Markem618 wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2021 20:48:15 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2021 10:46:59 -0400, knuttle wrote: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? I'm not sure I want to be driving around on several pounds of plutonium. Yes but they do want you driving around with a load of Lithium. Safer by a pretty good margin but. For some maybe. LOL. Take the doctor and his attorney buddy in Houston a few weeks ago. Left the doctors house in his Tesla with his buddy. Leaving home and 800 feet later a firey crash into some trees, going 30 mph. The fire department had a difficult time putting those batteries out once the caught fire. And an odd side note, no on was in the drivers seat. They found 2 unidentifiable, not even enough for dental records, bodies in the back seat. From: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...marshal-report "Tesla’s vice president of vehicle engineering, Lars Moravy, said Monday on an earnings call that the company found the steering wheel of the vehicle to be deformed, leading to the likelihood that someone was in the driver’s seat at the time of the crash. And yet no body was found in the drivers seat.... The front seat could have been holding the doctors bag and or the attorneys brief case to fool the vehicle into believing some one was in the front drivers seat... I'm not saying that you're wrong, but *something* deformed the steering wheel and I'm pretty sure that a doctor's bag [do doctors actually carry bags anymore ;-) ] and/or an attorney's briefcase would not: 1 - Be heavy enough to convince the car that a human was sitting in the seat 2 - Be strong enough or positioned correctly to deform the steering wheel A 1000F for an hour or two won't deform the steering wheel? On my Hondas, the weight range to turn on the "Passenger Air Bag Off" light is somewhere 0 up to 65 lbs. I am assuming (I know, dangerous) that the Tesla has a higher threshold to determine if a passenger is in the driver's seat. Heck, I don't even know if it checks, but if it does, I'd bet it's higher than the weight of the average 10 YO. i.e. much heavier than your average brief case. If this had happened on NCIS or CSI, there would have been a multiple perfectly situated security cameras to determine where the occupants were sitting. ;-) Or they'd build a scale (or maybe even full-sized) model and recreate the crash to see if the driver could have been knocked into the rear seat by the impact. Don't laugh. We're working on cockpit vision to do all sorts of things, from setting the mirrors (finding the eyes and move the mirrors accordingly), to distracted/impaired driving (eye-lid recognition), to adjusting the EQ for your tunes based on where your ears are. Big brother is watching. The authorities (or probably Tesla) may even be doing that in this case. Not just Tesla. The "authorities" will be followers, rather like back-up cameras. |
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On Fri, 14 May 2021 14:17:42 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote: On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 2:14:18 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote: DerbyDad03 writes: On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 10:43:46 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote: And yet no body was found in the drivers seat.... The front seat could=20 have been holding the doctors bag and or the attorneys brief case to=20 fool the vehicle into believing some one was in the front drivers seat... I'm not saying that you're wrong, but *something* deformed the steering=20 wheel and I'm pretty sure that a doctor's bag [do doctors actually carry=20 bags anymore ;-) ] and/or an attorney's briefcase would not: Good Grief People! Wait until the NTSB report is available and stop speculating with zero facts. Good Grief Scott! Does it really bother you that we are have fun tossing around opinions? As a matter of fact, I'm having more fun speculating than I ever will once the facts are known. I actually don't give a crap about the actual incident. The fun part for me is speculating and seeing how close I can come. Collectivists don't allow fun. |
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On Fri, 14 May 2021 23:13:06 +0000 (UTC), Eli the Bearded
wrote: In rec.woodworking, DerbyDad03 wrote: Does it really bother you that we are have fun tossing around opinions? As a matter of fact, I'm having more fun speculating than I ever will once the facts are known. I actually don't give a crap about the actual incident. The fun part for me is speculating and seeing how close I can come. Here's some fun fuel for the fire. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...-in-back-seat/ Demoing people driving Teslas from the backseat, and being arrogant enough to due it for the press after getting out on bail for being arrested for doing it. This guy is a notorious troll with money from his parents. A few years ago, Clark Howard was talking about how he read a book while his Tesla was driving itself and how other drivers were "shocked". Well, yeah... ------ one wonders how long till the driver's license is revoked If the guy filling the 4' cube of gasoline doesn't attract some interest, why should this? |
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On Fri, 14 May 2021 22:53:51 -0500, Markem618
wrote: On Fri, 14 May 2021 23:27:37 -0400, wrote: Not just Tesla. The "authorities" will be followers, rather like back-up cameras. Which can not be used when driving by decree of the law. Even backwards? ;-) Do you have a citation? I know of one application where that's one of the key benefits. There are cameras that (are stitched together to) "look around" a trailer to show what would be visible in a mirror if the trailer weren't there. There are also video rearview "mirrors". I think they're a bad idea because of image distance difference but that's a different discussion. There are all sorts of other applications coming down the line for the center console display. There are things that can't be displayed to the driver when in motion which is why CarPlay and AndroidAuto disable most apps. |
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On Sat, 15 May 2021 00:33:51 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 14 May 2021 22:53:51 -0500, Markem618 wrote: On Fri, 14 May 2021 23:27:37 -0400, wrote: Not just Tesla. The "authorities" will be followers, rather like back-up cameras. Which can not be used when driving by decree of the law. Even backwards? ;-) Do you have a citation? I know of one application where that's one of the key benefits. There are cameras that (are stitched together to) "look around" a trailer to show what would be visible in a mirror if the trailer weren't there. There are also video rearview "mirrors". I think they're a bad idea because of image distance difference but that's a different discussion. There are all sorts of other applications coming down the line for the center console display. There are things that can't be displayed to the driver when in motion which is why CarPlay and AndroidAuto disable most apps. No citation needed |
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On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 11:27:41 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 14 May 2021 08:31:14 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 10:43:46 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote: On 5/13/2021 10:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote: On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 9:54:44 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote: On 5/13/2021 7:59 PM, Markem618 wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2021 20:48:15 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2021 10:46:59 -0400, knuttle wrote: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? I'm not sure I want to be driving around on several pounds of plutonium. Yes but they do want you driving around with a load of Lithium. Safer by a pretty good margin but. For some maybe. LOL. Take the doctor and his attorney buddy in Houston a few weeks ago. Left the doctors house in his Tesla with his buddy.. Leaving home and 800 feet later a firey crash into some trees, going 30 mph. The fire department had a difficult time putting those batteries out once the caught fire. And an odd side note, no on was in the drivers seat. They found 2 unidentifiable, not even enough for dental records, bodies in the back seat. From: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...marshal-report "Teslas vice president of vehicle engineering, Lars Moravy, said Monday on an earnings call that the company found the steering wheel of the vehicle to be deformed, leading to the likelihood that someone was in the drivers seat at the time of the crash. And yet no body was found in the drivers seat.... The front seat could have been holding the doctors bag and or the attorneys brief case to fool the vehicle into believing some one was in the front drivers seat.... I'm not saying that you're wrong, but *something* deformed the steering wheel and I'm pretty sure that a doctor's bag [do doctors actually carry bags anymore ;-) ] and/or an attorney's briefcase would not: 1 - Be heavy enough to convince the car that a human was sitting in the seat 2 - Be strong enough or positioned correctly to deform the steering wheel A 1000F for an hour or two won't deform the steering wheel? Sure it would. Of course, that is not what we are discussing here. First, deformation by heat would look different than deformation by impact. Second, read the reports. The was no "1000F for an hour or two" in this case. The initial blaze was extinguished in 10 minutes. The remaining time and largest use of water was the hours spent putting out small fires that kept popping up. Flare-ups not just from the batteries but also from tree sap. A lot of the "long term" issues were under the car where they had trouble getting water. These flare-ups would not have subjected the steering wheel to "1000F for an hour or two". On my Hondas, the weight range to turn on the "Passenger Air Bag Off" light is somewhere 0 up to 65 lbs. I am assuming (I know, dangerous) that the Tesla has a higher threshold to determine if a passenger is in the driver's seat. Heck, I don't even know if it checks, but if it does, I'd bet it's higher than the weight of the average 10 YO. i.e. much heavier than your average brief case. If this had happened on NCIS or CSI, there would have been a multiple perfectly situated security cameras to determine where the occupants were sitting. ;-) Or they'd build a scale (or maybe even full-sized) model and recreate the crash to see if the driver could have been knocked into the rear seat by the impact. Don't laugh. We're working on cockpit vision to do all sorts of things, from setting the mirrors (finding the eyes and move the mirrors accordingly), to distracted/impaired driving (eye-lid recognition), to adjusting the EQ for your tunes based on where your ears are. Big brother is watching. .... and has been for decades. The authorities (or probably Tesla) may even be doing that in this case. Not just Tesla. The "authorities" will be followers, rather like back-up cameras. |
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On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 11:53:58 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
On Fri, 14 May 2021 23:27:37 -0400, wrote: Not just Tesla. The "authorities" will be followers, rather like back-up cameras. Which can not be used when driving by decree of the law. Is driving in reverse not considered driving? While not referred to as "back-up camera", the camera under the right sideview mirror on my Honda looks backwards. It's designed to come on automatically when the turn signal used. In addition, it can be manually turned on with the push of a button while driving. |
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On Saturday, May 15, 2021 at 12:33:57 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 14 May 2021 22:53:51 -0500, Markem618 wrote: On Fri, 14 May 2021 23:27:37 -0400, wrote: Not just Tesla. The "authorities" will be followers, rather like back-up cameras. Which can not be used when driving by decree of the law. Even backwards? ;-) In some states you have to get a driver's license and a reverser's license. No, I don't have a cite for that. ;-) |
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Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:
On 5/14/2021 1:14 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: DerbyDad03 writes: On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 10:43:46 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote: And yet no body was found in the drivers seat.... The front seat could=20 have been holding the doctors bag and or the attorneys brief case to=20 fool the vehicle into believing some one was in the front drivers seat... I'm not saying that you're wrong, but *something* deformed the steering=20 wheel and I'm pretty sure that a doctor's bag [do doctors actually carry=20 bags anymore ;-) ] and/or an attorney's briefcase would not: Good Grief People! Wait until the NTSB report is available and stop speculating with zero facts. Well the NTSB can speculate all it wants but no body in the drivers seat pretty much explains the crash. See, that's you speculating that there was no body in the drivers seat, based on unreliable media reports. NTSB doesn't speculate. They exhaustively analyze all the available evidence, including the black-box, scene and mechanical remains and provide recommendations for how to avoid future such accidents based on a scientifically determined cause. That's why it takes _months_. |
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On Fri, 14 May 2021 23:35:32 -0500, Markem618
wrote: On Sat, 15 May 2021 00:33:51 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 14 May 2021 22:53:51 -0500, Markem618 wrote: On Fri, 14 May 2021 23:27:37 -0400, wrote: Not just Tesla. The "authorities" will be followers, rather like back-up cameras. Which can not be used when driving by decree of the law. Even backwards? ;-) Do you have a citation? I know of one application where that's one of the key benefits. There are cameras that (are stitched together to) "look around" a trailer to show what would be visible in a mirror if the trailer weren't there. There are also video rearview "mirrors". I think they're a bad idea because of image distance difference but that's a different discussion. There are all sorts of other applications coming down the line for the center console display. There are things that can't be displayed to the driver when in motion which is why CarPlay and AndroidAuto disable most apps. No citation needed IOW, BS. |
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On Sat, 15 May 2021 05:54:53 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote: On Saturday, May 15, 2021 at 12:33:57 AM UTC-4, wrote: On Fri, 14 May 2021 22:53:51 -0500, Markem618 wrote: On Fri, 14 May 2021 23:27:37 -0400, wrote: Not just Tesla. The "authorities" will be followers, rather like back-up cameras. Which can not be used when driving by decree of the law. Even backwards? ;-) In some states you have to get a driver's license and a reverser's license. Must be in the backward looking states, like NY or CA. No, I don't have a cite for that. ;-) |
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