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https://www.harborfreight.com/saw-mi...ine-62366.html nothing visible holding the material for that material a beam saw with the right blade would be faster and give a much cleaner cut max capacity is 20 inch log but it does not look like it could do that maybe that plate in the throat moves up and down that just needs a trailer to be complete otherwise there would be a need to make sure it is level maybe if it was on a concrete slab |
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Electric Comet on Fri, 6 Jul 2018
08:51:35 -0700 typed in rec.woodworking the following: https://www.harborfreight.com/saw-mi...ine-62366.html nothing visible holding the material for that material a beam saw with the right blade would be faster and give a much cleaner cut And you can haul said beam saw out into the woods? max capacity is 20 inch log but it does not look like it could do that maybe that plate in the throat moves up and down Yep. that just needs a trailer to be complete otherwise there would be a need to make sure it is level Doesn't need to be "level" - the saw unit rides on the rails. If you're daring enough, you could mount it nearly vertical. maybe if it was on a concrete slab Then it would not be portable This is an up scaled rough lumber saw. Bigger & more elaborate than an "Alaskan Mill" using a chain saw. "Perfect" if you want beams or planks for construction at a "remote site, where trucking finished lumber in is more work than it is worth. -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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On Fri, 6 Jul 2018 08:51:35 -0700, Electric Comet
wrote: https://www.harborfreight.com/saw-mi...ine-62366.html nothing visible holding the material for that material a beam saw with the right blade would be faster and give a much cleaner cut max capacity is 20 inch log but it does not look like it could do that maybe that plate in the throat moves up and down that just needs a trailer to be complete otherwise there would be a need to make sure it is level maybe if it was on a concrete slab I would be carefully comparing it to the other portable bandsaws on the market - this one looks like it has a flimsy frame - hard to tell from the photo .. These units take a beating, in the field - big heavy logs and timbers being loaded with tractor or bobcat .. you do not want to bend or kink or bow the frame when it is also the track ! John T. |
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On Friday, July 6, 2018 at 11:41:03 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jul 2018 08:51:35 -0700, Electric Comet wrote: https://www.harborfreight.com/saw-mi...ine-62366.html nothing visible holding the material for that material a beam saw with the right blade would be faster and give a much cleaner cut max capacity is 20 inch log but it does not look like it could do that maybe that plate in the throat moves up and down that just needs a trailer to be complete otherwise there would be a need to make sure it is level maybe if it was on a concrete slab I would be carefully comparing it to the other portable bandsaws on the market - this one looks like it has a flimsy frame - hard to tell from the photo .. These units take a beating, in the field - big heavy logs and timbers being loaded with tractor or bobcat .. you do not want to bend or kink or bow the frame when it is also the track ! John T. When I win the lottery, I'm buying this: https://www.hud-son.com/product/hfe-...eader-sawmill/ |
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https://www.harborfreight.com/saw-mi...ine-62366.html nothing visible holding the material for that material a beam saw with the right blade would be faster and give a much cleaner cut max capacity is 20 inch log but it does not look like it could do that maybe that plate in the throat moves up and down that just needs a trailer to be complete otherwise there would be a need to make sure it is level maybe if it was on a concrete slab I would be carefully comparing it to the other portable bandsaws on the market - this one looks like it has a flimsy frame - hard to tell from the photo .. These units take a beating, in the field - big heavy logs and timbers being loaded with tractor or bobcat .. you do not want to bend or kink or bow the frame when it is also the track ! John T. When I win the lottery, I'm buying this: https://www.hud-son.com/product/hfe-...eader-sawmill/ 21 inch max. log diameter 6.5 HP engine ? You'll probably be trading it for a larger unit - why not start out with the bigger one ? Especially after the Lotto win ! :-) Old buddy had a 30 inch with a 13 hp ? Honda - - Silva-Saw brand - served him well - cutting for a lot of farmers over many years, as a part-time retirement business. John T. |
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On Fri, 6 Jul 2018 08:51:35 -0700, Electric Comet
wrote: https://www.harborfreight.com/saw-mi...ine-62366.html nothing visible holding the material You mean besides gravity? for that material a beam saw with the right blade would be faster and give a much cleaner cut So can you get such a saw for that price that can handle a 20 inch width? max capacity is 20 inch log but it does not look like it could do that maybe that plate in the throat moves up and down Doesn't say it can cut one in half. It's clearly intended for turning logs into rough lumber. that just needs a trailer to be complete otherwise there would be a need to make sure it is level maybe if it was on a concrete slab Or a wood floor or any other level surface. |
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On Friday, July 6, 2018 at 11:51:40 AM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
https://www.harborfreight.com/saw-mi...ine-62366.html nothing visible holding the material for that material a beam saw with the right blade would be faster and give a much cleaner cut max capacity is 20 inch log but it does not look like it could do that maybe that plate in the throat moves up and down that just needs a trailer to be complete otherwise there would be a need to make sure it is level maybe if it was on a concrete slab Level is not the main concern and may not even be deisrable. From: http://www.woodweb.com/knowledge_bas...your_mill.html "When calibrating the surface of your bed, using a 4' level is a good tool. However, a 4' level will not show a camber or twist in your bed. However slight they may be, they will affect the final quality of your lumber. If there is even a slight twist in your bed, as the carriage travels over that twist, you will be sawing that twist in your cant. Then, when you turn your cant 180 degrees, that twist is compounded to the other side of the cant. This will give you uneven lumber, and you may tear your hair out trying to figure out why. A camber will do basically the same thing. The best tool to use is a transit if your bed is 18' or longer to make sure your setup is correct. We hold our bed tolerance to +/- .060" all around. We then check the location of the blade to the bed at every cross member to maintain consistency. You may also have bridging rods under your bed. By tightening or loosening them, they will cause or cure camber and twist as well. A flat bed makes a big difference!" Some folks at that site don't want it level. They lean the rig down hill 'cuz they've heard of gravity. |
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Electric Comet wrote:
maybe if it was on a concrete slab build it on unused commas and periods and you will be ok https://www.youtube.com/embed/91uiGX...toplay=1&rel=0 https://www.youtube.com/embed/B9oEkl...toplay=1&rel=0 |
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On Friday, July 6, 2018 at 9:49:55 PM UTC-4, Spalted Walt wrote:
Electric Comet wrote: maybe if it was on a concrete slab build it on unused commas and periods and you will be ok https://www.youtube.com/embed/91uiGX...toplay=1&rel=0 https://www.youtube.com/embed/B9oEkl...toplay=1&rel=0 And I thought miter saws had lousy dust collection! ;-) |
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On Friday, July 6, 2018 at 10:51:40 AM UTC-5, Electric Comet wrote:
https://www.harborfreight.com/saw-mi...ine-62366.html nothing visible holding the material for that material a beam saw with the right blade would be faster and give a much cleaner cut max capacity is 20 inch log but it does not look like it could do that maybe that plate in the throat moves up and down that just needs a trailer to be complete otherwise there would be a need to make sure it is level maybe if it was on a concrete slab Given this has no hydraulics, this thing is going to work you to death. But for $2,200 you can put in a bit of sweat. |
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DerbyDad03 on Fri, 6 Jul 2018 18:39:13 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following: On Friday, July 6, 2018 at 11:51:40 AM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote: https://www.harborfreight.com/saw-mi...ine-62366.html nothing visible holding the material for that material a beam saw with the right blade would be faster and give a much cleaner cut max capacity is 20 inch log but it does not look like it could do that maybe that plate in the throat moves up and down that just needs a trailer to be complete otherwise there would be a need to make sure it is level maybe if it was on a concrete slab Level is not the main concern and may not even be deisrable. From: http://www.woodweb.com/knowledge_bas...your_mill.html "When calibrating the surface of your bed, using a 4' level is a good tool. However, a 4' level will not show a camber or twist in your bed. However slight they may be, they will affect the final quality of your lumber. If there is even a slight twist in your bed, as the carriage travels over that twist, you will be sawing that twist in your cant. Then, when you turn your cant 180 degrees, that twist is compounded to the other side of the cant. This will give you uneven lumber, and you may tear your hair out trying to figure out why. A camber will do basically the same thing. The best tool to use is a transit if your bed is 18' or longer to make sure your setup is correct. We hold our bed tolerance to +/- .060" all around. We then check the location of the blade to the bed at every cross member to maintain consistency. You may also have bridging rods under your bed. By tightening or loosening them, they will cause or cure camber and twist as well. A flat bed makes a big difference!" Some folks at that site don't want it level. They lean the rig down hill 'cuz they've heard of gravity. I worked as a machinist for a while. Relevant to this discussion is the difference between "flat" and "level". In short, you have a "box" N units high in which the line/surface has to be, in order to be flat. If said box is also perpendicular to gravity, then your "flat" surface is also "level". So in this case, I want those rails "flat" (I.e., inside a 1/8 high "box") more than I care for "level". Although there probably is a degree of levelness which is more ideal than others. -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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pyotr filipivich wrote:
DerbyDad03 on Fri, 6 Jul 2018 18:39:13 -0700 (PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following: On Friday, July 6, 2018 at 11:51:40 AM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote: https://www.harborfreight.com/saw-mi...ine-62366.html nothing visible holding the material for that material a beam saw with the right blade would be faster and give a much cleaner cut max capacity is 20 inch log but it does not look like it could do that maybe that plate in the throat moves up and down that just needs a trailer to be complete otherwise there would be a need to make sure it is level maybe if it was on a concrete slab Level is not the main concern and may not even be deisrable. From: http://www.woodweb.com/knowledge_bas...your_mill.html "When calibrating the surface of your bed, using a 4' level is a good tool. However, a 4' level will not show a camber or twist in your bed. However slight they may be, they will affect the final quality of your lumber. If there is even a slight twist in your bed, as the carriage travels over that twist, you will be sawing that twist in your cant. Then, when you turn your cant 180 degrees, that twist is compounded to the other side of the cant. This will give you uneven lumber, and you may tear your hair out trying to figure out why. A camber will do basically the same thing. The best tool to use is a transit if your bed is 18' or longer to make sure your setup is correct. We hold our bed tolerance to +/- .060" all around. We then check the location of the blade to the bed at every cross member to maintain consistency. You may also have bridging rods under your bed. By tightening or loosening them, they will cause or cure camber and twist as well. A flat bed makes a big difference!" Some folks at that site don't want it level. They lean the rig down hill 'cuz they've heard of gravity. I worked as a machinist for a while. Relevant to this discussion is the difference between "flat" and "level". In short, you have a "box" N units high in which the line/surface has to be, in order to be flat. If said box is also perpendicular to gravity, then your "flat" surface is also "level". https://www.youtube.com/embed/gn4li_...start=20&rel=0 |
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On Sunday, July 8, 2018 at 12:50:28 PM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jul 2018 18:39:13 wrote: Some folks at that site don't want it level. They lean the rig down hill 'cuz they've heard of gravity. love to see the hf setup utilizing gravity with that material the saw chasing the wood They've also heard of friction...and stops. |
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Electric Comet on Sun, 8 Jul 2018
09:58:39 -0700 typed in rec.woodworking the following: On Fri, 06 Jul 2018 09:30:58 wrote: And you can haul said beam saw out into the woods? can you haul this saw into the woods Depends on what you mean by "haul" and "into the woods.", right? Doesn't need to be "level" - the saw unit rides on the rails. If you're daring enough, you could mount it nearly vertical. yeah sure What, now you're risk adverse? What ever happened to your sense of adventure? {"It died under mysterious circumstances. My sense of self-preservation found the body, but assures me it has an airtight alibi."} This is an up scaled rough lumber saw. Bigger & more elaborate than an "Alaskan Mill" using a chain saw. "Perfect" if you chainsaw probably be the better choice out in the wood since bandsaws are not as portable This doesn't look like the sort of rig one could pack into a "remote" location. (I once was looking at property where directions concluded with "at end of gravel road, park and prepare for a five hour hike".) -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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On 7/8/2018 2:56 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
.... This doesn't look like the sort of rig one could pack into a "remote" location. (I once was looking at property where directions concluded with "at end of gravel road, park and prepare for a five hour hike".) If you can get a truck in of sufficient size to need a 20" portable mill, you can manage to trailer this bad body in there, too...back in VA (where there _were_ trees unlike SW KS :) ), there were a number of similar portable mills operating in some pretty difficult-to-get-to places. Of course, for real commercial stuff you needed something quite a bit bigger than 20" D, that's pretty small for an oak or the like. -- |
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dpb on Sun, 8 Jul 2018 16:21:06 -0500 typed in
rec.woodworking the following: On 7/8/2018 2:56 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote: ... This doesn't look like the sort of rig one could pack into a "remote" location. (I once was looking at property where directions concluded with "at end of gravel road, park and prepare for a five hour hike".) If you can get a truck in of sufficient size to need a 20" portable mill, you can manage to trailer this bad body in there, too...back in VA (where there _were_ trees unlike SW KS :) ), there were a number of similar portable mills operating in some pretty difficult-to-get-to places. Of course, for real commercial stuff you needed something quite a bit bigger than 20" D, that's pretty small for an oak or the like. It all depends on what you consider "difficult" and the like. If you've heard of the Oso Mudslide in 2014, it took out the state highway - buried it deep under the mud for a long stretch. One of the responses was local logging companies throwing a road around the slide in a matter of days. Not pretty, but functional. Logging companies have been making practical roads for decades. Of course, once the Feds showed up, they wanted to bar log trucks from said road. They relented after the logging companies just parked their trucks and blocked access to what, after all, was the road the companies had built to handle log trucks. If you've seen the aerial photos after the slide, you'll notice a green "thumb" sticking into the middle of the gray. I've friends who live there. Most of the damage to their property was from the "aid" people afterwards. "As much as you'd like to, you can't just start shooting people." Anyway - to paraphrase a real estate slogan "difficult for what, difficult for whom?" -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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