only adds nine inches but of course impacts other aspects but not too
drastic

pros
more cargo space
more pax space


cons
lower break angle but this is minor
little more weight
more expensive
reduced range but probably only by small amount

https://4x4channel.tv/bollinger-4-door-on-its-way

the axles are very beefy and usually only seen on high end four bys

supposed to start shipping two door models as soon as 2019
the price needs to come down but no idea how they would achieve that
not sure about rebates but i think there are state and federal rebates
and even some local rebates from power companies

so those could add up to significant savings

funny the ceo slash engineer was motivated by getting stuck more than
once in his full size chevy

On 2017-12-08, Electric Comet wrote:

the axles are very beefy and usually only seen on high end four bys

Exactly how "beefy".

I recall telling a home mechanic about Internation Havester 4WD's. He
told me, "IH's suck cuz they only 3/4" axles. My ford 4WD p/up has 1"
axles".

Zat true?

nb

On 8 Dec 2017 19:54:08 GMT, notbob wrote:

On 2017-12-08, Electric Comet wrote:

the axles are very beefy and usually only seen on high end four bys

Exactly how "beefy".

I recall telling a home mechanic about Internation Havester 4WD's. He
told me, "IH's suck cuz they only 3/4" axles. My ford 4WD p/up has 1"
axles".

Zat true?

nb

Just wait till they do some deep water river crossings, or mud
slogging.

Then someone will throw on some 54"'r's and do some crazy stuff and
bust the axle's with the high torgue especially in mud pits.

Electric Comet was heard to mutter:
https://4x4channel.tv/bollinger-4-door-on-its-way

Truck? That's not a truck.
That's an SUV up for debate on off-road ability.

You want an electric truck? Look here...
https://techcrunch.com/2017/11/16/th...he-tesla-semi/

And these electrics are being ordered in droves...
https://electrek.co/2017/12/08/tesla...-trucks-sysco/

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On 2017-12-09, Casper wrote:

You want an electric truck? Look here...
https://techcrunch.com/2017/11/16/th...he-tesla-semi/

And these electrics are being ordered in droves...
https://electrek.co/2017/12/08/tesla...-trucks-sysco/

Sysco is buying them cuz they are expected to eventually have
"self-driving" capability and then they can save all kindsa $$$$ by
laying off drivers and killing their union's political power.


Also, the below "signature line" is supposed to disappear when I
respond. You have done it incorrectly. It should be 'hyphen'
'hyphen' 'space' (-- ).

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On Sat, 09 Dec 2017 11:56:24 -0500, Casper
wrote:

Electric Comet was heard to mutter:
https://4x4channel.tv/bollinger-4-door-on-its-way

Truck? That's not a truck.
That's an SUV up for debate on off-road ability.

You want an electric truck? Look here...
https://techcrunch.com/2017/11/16/th...he-tesla-semi/

And these electrics are being ordered in droves...
https://electrek.co/2017/12/08/tesla...-trucks-sysco/

For certain very small values of "droves".

And they have yet to deliver one.

On 2017-12-09, J Clarke wrote:

And they have yet to deliver one.

Prolly cuz they haven't perfected 'em, yet, plus they prolly cost twice
as much as a regular semi.

nb

On Sat, 09 Dec 2017 11:56:24 -0500
Casper wrote:

That's an SUV up for debate on off-road ability.

suev is what you mean

ok debate it

portal axles alone put it in class almost by itself

suev is what you mean ...Electric Comet

The new acronym I see being used is SUT for sport utility truck.
Apparently you can't sell something new without the right fad or
generational moniker.

ok debate it

Debate what?

portal axles alone put it in class almost by itself

Probably but I don't really care what it's called as long as it works
and lasts. I've grown weary of the disposible life we've evolved into.

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notbob was heard to mutter:
Sysco is buying them cuz they are expected to eventually have
"self-driving" capability and then they can save all kindsa $$$$ by
laying off drivers and killing their union's political power.

I have doubts about living long enough to see a world of self-driving
vehicles. If it reduces accidents and insurance, I'm good with it.

I won't debate unions. I did my union stint and am done with them.
I've had better luck being non-union.

Also, the below "signature line" is supposed to disappear when I
respond. You have done it incorrectly. It should be 'hyphen'
'hyphen' 'space' (-- ).

No idea what you are talking about.

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J. Clarke was heard to mutter:
For certain very small values of "droves".

I am surprised they have so many orders for these trucks already.
I would have expected them to be considerably smaller numbers given
Tesla has been behind on other vehicles.

And they have yet to deliver one.

Because they need to be built?
This really isn't an instant gratification world.

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On 2017-12-10, Casper wrote:

No idea what you are talking about.

That is painfully obvious:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signature_block

Study the above website. Get a clue.

nb

On 2017-12-10, Casper wrote:

This really isn't an instant gratification world.

No. It jes tries to make you believe it is.

nb

On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 11:03:51 -0500, Casper
wrote:

J. Clarke was heard to mutter:
For certain very small values of "droves".

I am surprised they have so many orders for these trucks already.
I would have expected them to be considerably smaller numbers given
Tesla has been behind on other vehicles.

And they have yet to deliver one.

Because they need to be built?
This really isn't an instant gratification world.

It's easy to talk the talk. Until they actually start delivering
these trucks we don't know that they can walk the walk.

As for "so many orders", the truck-stop chain that was mentioned
earlier owns more trucks themselves to deliver gas than Tesla's
to-date total truck sales. They're selling small quantities to
companies that have deep pockets and are willing to try it out. Those
sales may lead to more sales or may not depending on how they work out
in the real world.

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Fix your antivirus--this is not email and we do not particularly enjoy
seeing ads.

On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 11:00:53 -0500, Casper
wrote:

notbob was heard to mutter:
Sysco is buying them cuz they are expected to eventually have
"self-driving" capability and then they can save all kindsa $$$$ by
laying off drivers and killing their union's political power.

I have doubts about living long enough to see a world of self-driving
vehicles. If it reduces accidents and insurance, I'm good with it.

I won't debate unions. I did my union stint and am done with them.
I've had better luck being non-union.

Also, the below "signature line" is supposed to disappear when I
respond. You have done it incorrectly. It should be 'hyphen'
'hyphen' 'space' (-- ).

No idea what you are talking about.

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He's saying that you need to convert the third hyphen, above, to a
space, immediately followed by a carriage return. This is a Usenet
standard for signatures. It really does matter that it's correct.


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Otherwise, your signature gets posted on other's posts.

On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 10:56:05 -0500, Casper
wrote:

suev is what you mean ...Electric Comet

The new acronym I see being used is SUT for sport utility truck.
Apparently you can't sell something new without the right fad or
generational moniker.

ok debate it

Debate what?

portal axles alone put it in class almost by itself

Probably but I don't really care what it's called as long as it works
and lasts. I've grown weary of the disposible life we've evolved into.

Then you must truly hate EVs.

On 2017-12-10, wrote:

It really does matter that it's correct.

True.

It does not matter that Usenet preceded 'gobble gropes' by a
long-shot. Do what you want. Everyone else does ....and it's killin'
Usenet.

nb

That's an SUV up for debate on off-road ability. ..`Casper

suev is what you mean ..Electric Comet

Nope. Perhaps e-SUV or eSUV.
In my world suev means Atomoxetine.

He's saying that you need to convert the third hyphen, above, to a
space, immediately followed by a carriage return. This is a Usenet
standard for signatures. It really does matter that it's correct.

This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com

Otherwise, your signature gets posted on other's posts.

/sigh ... not my signature. Direct input by the AVP.

New PC build requires fine tuning. It's turned off.
You can all untie the knot in your panties now.

SiG: Welcome to USEnet. Adjust your reality.

On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 20:09:51 -0500, Casper
wrote:

He's saying that you need to convert the third hyphen, above, to a
space, immediately followed by a carriage return. This is a Usenet
standard for signatures. It really does matter that it's correct.

This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com

Otherwise, your signature gets posted on other's posts.

/sigh ... not my signature. Direct input by the AVP.

So *make* it into a signature. ...or better yet, get rid of that
****.

New PC build requires fine tuning. It's turned off.
You can all untie the knot in your panties now.

It does make a difference.

SiG: Welcome to USEnet. Adjust your reality.

No, it's not.