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Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 8/3/2017 7:59 AM, J. Clarke wrote: It's 13 miles to work and my employer provides preferred parking with company-paid chargers to people who drive electrics and hybrids. So it works fine for me. Most of my driving is the daily commute and it's usually all-electric. Seems that some electric drivers thing they are special and should get free fuel. Pay a premium for your car and you can join our elitist club and get special parking. I'd be afraid the masses of gas drivers would throw stones at my car parked there. The person two up the chain of command from me drives a Volt. She's an actuary, I'm pretty sure she knows how to crunch the numbers on practicality. She also lives farther from work than I do. Of course the CEO drives a Tesla. I'd like to see the numbers if she is justifying it on fuel cost savings. Many greenies don't care about money as much as saving a tree. Many are just obnoxious assholes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JPZskYKUvY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dgzjsDE8X0 |
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Spalted Walt writes:
Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 8/3/2017 7:59 AM, J. Clarke wrote: It's 13 miles to work and my employer provides preferred parking with company-paid chargers to people who drive electrics and hybrids. So it works fine for me. Most of my driving is the daily commute and it's usually all-electric. Seems that some electric drivers thing they are special and should get free fuel. Pay a premium for your car and you can join our elitist club and get special parking. I'd be afraid the masses of gas drivers would throw stones at my car parked there. The person two up the chain of command from me drives a Volt. She's an actuary, I'm pretty sure she knows how to crunch the numbers on practicality. She also lives farther from work than I do. Of course the CEO drives a Tesla. I'd like to see the numbers if she is justifying it on fuel cost savings. Many greenies don't care about money as much as saving a tree. Many are just obnoxious assholes. Many _anything_, including conservatives and liberals, are obnoxious assholes. It's endemic in the human condition. That doesn't justify blanket labels. |
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Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 8/3/2017 11:49 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: Ed Pawlowski writes: On 8/3/2017 7:59 AM, J. Clarke wrote: It's 13 miles to work and my employer provides preferred parking with company-paid chargers to people who drive electrics and hybrids. So it works fine for me. Most of my driving is the daily commute and it's usually all-electric. Seems that some electric drivers thing they are special and should get free fuel. I don't see how Clarke's statement supports your assertion. Nor did I say that. It is what I've heard in conversation about electric cars and subsidies. Just a comment from my observations over time. Want names? A company may actually disagree with your position on energy and climate and choose to offer their employees a benefit that supports their position on energy and climate. Is that illegal or immoral in your view? Did not say that did I? Any time a corporation gives privileges to some and not others there is potential for bad blood. Pay a premium for your car and you can join our elitist club and get special parking. I'd be afraid the masses of gas drivers would throw stones at my car parked there. Really? Why would you be afraid of that? The haves versus the have nots. Human instincts can kick in. M company paid for all of my gas. I never told anyone else as it was none of their business. The person two up the chain of command from me drives a Volt. She's an actuary, I'm pretty sure she knows how to crunch the numbers on practicality. She also lives farther from work than I do. Of course the CEO drives a Tesla. I'd like to see the numbers if she is justifying it on fuel cost savings. Many greenies don't care about money as much as saving a tree. Ah, pejorative noted. Good. I would not want you to miss it. A lot of people are willing to pay a premium to be green. That is their decision. Ask Al Gore. http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA679.html o The past year, Gore's home energy use averaged 19,241 kilowatt hours (kWh) every month, compared to the U.S. household average of 901 kWh per month. o Gore guzzles more electricity in one year than the average American family uses in 21 years. o In September of 2016, Gore's home consumed 30,993 kWh in just one month - as much energy as a typical American family burns in 34 months. o During the last 12 months, Gore devoured 66,159 kWh of electricity just heating his pool. That is enough energy to power six average U.S. households for a year. o From August 2016 through July 2017, Gore spent almost $22,000 on electricity bills. o Gore paid an estimated $60,000 to install 33 solar panels. Those solar panels produce an average of 1,092 kWh per month, only 5.7% of Gore's typical monthly energy consumption. |
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On Thu, 03 Aug 2017 18:08:14 +0000, Spalted Walt
wrote: Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 8/3/2017 7:59 AM, J. Clarke wrote: It's 13 miles to work and my employer provides preferred parking with company-paid chargers to people who drive electrics and hybrids. So it works fine for me. Most of my driving is the daily commute and it's usually all-electric. Seems that some electric drivers thing they are special and should get free fuel. Pay a premium for your car and you can join our elitist club and get special parking. I'd be afraid the masses of gas drivers would throw stones at my car parked there. The person two up the chain of command from me drives a Volt. She's an actuary, I'm pretty sure she knows how to crunch the numbers on practicality. She also lives farther from work than I do. Of course the CEO drives a Tesla. I'd like to see the numbers if she is justifying it on fuel cost savings. Many greenies don't care about money as much as saving a tree. Many are just obnoxious assholes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JPZskYKUvY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dgzjsDE8X0 Are you green? |
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On Thu, 03 Aug 2017 18:35:34 +0000, Spalted Walt
wrote: Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 8/3/2017 11:49 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: Ed Pawlowski writes: On 8/3/2017 7:59 AM, J. Clarke wrote: It's 13 miles to work and my employer provides preferred parking with company-paid chargers to people who drive electrics and hybrids. So it works fine for me. Most of my driving is the daily commute and it's usually all-electric. Seems that some electric drivers thing they are special and should get free fuel. I don't see how Clarke's statement supports your assertion. Nor did I say that. It is what I've heard in conversation about electric cars and subsidies. Just a comment from my observations over time. Want names? A company may actually disagree with your position on energy and climate and choose to offer their employees a benefit that supports their position on energy and climate. Is that illegal or immoral in your view? Did not say that did I? Any time a corporation gives privileges to some and not others there is potential for bad blood. Pay a premium for your car and you can join our elitist club and get special parking. I'd be afraid the masses of gas drivers would throw stones at my car parked there. Really? Why would you be afraid of that? The haves versus the have nots. Human instincts can kick in. M company paid for all of my gas. I never told anyone else as it was none of their business. The person two up the chain of command from me drives a Volt. She's an actuary, I'm pretty sure she knows how to crunch the numbers on practicality. She also lives farther from work than I do. Of course the CEO drives a Tesla. I'd like to see the numbers if she is justifying it on fuel cost savings. Many greenies don't care about money as much as saving a tree. Ah, pejorative noted. Good. I would not want you to miss it. A lot of people are willing to pay a premium to be green. That is their decision. Ask Al Gore. http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA679.html o The past year, Gore's home energy use averaged 19,241 kilowatt hours (kWh) every month, compared to the U.S. household average of 901 kWh per month. o Gore guzzles more electricity in one year than the average American family uses in 21 years. o In September of 2016, Gore's home consumed 30,993 kWh in just one month - as much energy as a typical American family burns in 34 months. o During the last 12 months, Gore devoured 66,159 kWh of electricity just heating his pool. That is enough energy to power six average U.S. households for a year. o From August 2016 through July 2017, Gore spent almost $22,000 on electricity bills. o Gore paid an estimated $60,000 to install 33 solar panels. Those solar panels produce an average of 1,092 kWh per month, only 5.7% of Gore's typical monthly energy consumption. That's because Gore isn't anything close to being green (with anything but envy) and is a typical politician. (I won't label him either left or right, conservative or liberal, democrat or republican, because he is most likely neither, in either case. |
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On Thu, 03 Aug 2017 18:08:14 +0000, Spalted Walt wrote: Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 8/3/2017 7:59 AM, J. Clarke wrote: It's 13 miles to work and my employer provides preferred parking with company-paid chargers to people who drive electrics and hybrids. So it works fine for me. Most of my driving is the daily commute and it's usually all-electric. Seems that some electric drivers thing they are special and should get free fuel. Pay a premium for your car and you can join our elitist club and get special parking. I'd be afraid the masses of gas drivers would throw stones at my car parked there. The person two up the chain of command from me drives a Volt. She's an actuary, I'm pretty sure she knows how to crunch the numbers on practicality. She also lives farther from work than I do. Of course the CEO drives a Tesla. I'd like to see the numbers if she is justifying it on fuel cost savings. Many greenies don't care about money as much as saving a tree. Many are just obnoxious assholes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JPZskYKUvY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dgzjsDE8X0 Are you green? No, just a privileged Caucasian. http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...37/117/41b.jpg |
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(Scott Lurndal) wrote:
Spalted Walt writes: Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 8/3/2017 7:59 AM, J. Clarke wrote: It's 13 miles to work and my employer provides preferred parking with company-paid chargers to people who drive electrics and hybrids. So it works fine for me. Most of my driving is the daily commute and it's usually all-electric. Seems that some electric drivers thing they are special and should get free fuel. Pay a premium for your car and you can join our elitist club and get special parking. I'd be afraid the masses of gas drivers would throw stones at my car parked there. The person two up the chain of command from me drives a Volt. She's an actuary, I'm pretty sure she knows how to crunch the numbers on practicality. She also lives farther from work than I do. Of course the CEO drives a Tesla. I'd like to see the numbers if she is justifying it on fuel cost savings. Many greenies don't care about money as much as saving a tree. Many are just obnoxious assholes. Many _anything_, including conservatives and liberals, are obnoxious assholes. It's endemic in the human condition. That doesn't justify blanket labels. Precisely why I didn't say *All* are obnoxious assholes. |
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says... On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 07:59:43 -0400, "J. Clarke" wrote: In article , says... On 8/2/2017 1:39 AM, J. Clarke wrote: Good trade for what? I see very limited use advantage over a gas powered truck. The payback is just not there. Exactly! It reality, it is a coal-fired truck. Electric vehicles have a much higher life-long carbon footprint than gasoline powered vehicles. From manufacture, to shipping, to replacement of lithium batteries, to end-of-life, to disposal of the lithium chemicals in the environment, etc., etc., etc., electric vehicles are much worse for the environment than internal combustion engine vehicles. Them add up the lack in revenue due to the loss of gas tax revenue and it is easily proven that electric cars are a big scam and waste of money and horrible for the environment. Maybe a century from now, things will be different. But right now, it's a giant scam being played on the public. Well I'm enjoying the "scam". I buy one tank of gas every two or three months, and my electric bill isn't noticeably higher than it was before the hybrid. Plug in hybrid? I don't think they are as bad as the pure electrics. Smaller battery and capturing power from braking. What, you think that pure electrics don't have regen braking? Where did I say they don't???? The biggest joke foisted off on the public was the Chevy Volt with a 24 mile range. You pay a premium for the car and it is only useful for short trips. That's Ford's models, the Volt has more like 50 mile range. My Ford has 21 mile range. It's 13 miles to work and my employer provides preferred parking with company-paid chargers to people who drive electrics and hybrids. So it works fine for me. Most of my driving is the daily commute and it's usually all-electric. What ford has a 50 mile range? My ElectraMobile had a 50 mile intown range back in 1978 Who said anything about a Ford with a 50 mile range? The person two up the chain of command from me drives a Volt. She's an actuary, I'm pretty sure she knows how to crunch the numbers on practicality. She also lives farther from work than I do. Of course the CEO drives a Tesla. And the Volt has range extensin technology. I'm curious how well the climate control works in both 0 degrees and 100 degrees. My car will be a comfy 72 degrees but to do that with battery power is going to suck a lot of miles from the total range. Typical car AC is 30,000 BTU and that sucks a lot of power. So does electric heat. The AC seems to use less power than the heat. In the winter I typically run out of battery just as I'm pulling into the parking lot in the morning. In the summer I typically have about 6 miles left when I get home. The acceleration of the electrics looks like fun though. All around my hybrid is quite pleasant. |
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On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 08:08:04 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote: In article , says... On 8/3/2017 7:59 AM, J. Clarke wrote: It's 13 miles to work and my employer provides preferred parking with company-paid chargers to people who drive electrics and hybrids. So it works fine for me. Most of my driving is the daily commute and it's usually all-electric. Seems that some electric drivers thing they are special and should get free fuel. Pay a premium for your car and you can join our elitist club and get special parking. I'd be afraid the masses of gas drivers would throw stones at my car parked there. Anybody who throws stones has to get over a ten foot high fence and past the security patrols. And if they're an employee they won't be one much longer--there is full video surveillance and the company does not tolerate vandalism by its employees. Seems like your employer expects such problems. It must be a great place to work. The person two up the chain of command from me drives a Volt. She's an actuary, I'm pretty sure she knows how to crunch the numbers on practicality. She also lives farther from work than I do. Of course the CEO drives a Tesla. I'd like to see the numbers if she is justifying it on fuel cost savings. Many greenies don't care about money as much as saving a tree. No, they care about showing everyone else how much they care (about something). It's not just fuel cost. Plug-in hybrids are very low maintenance. When I got mine, used, I changed all the fluids and filters on the general principle that I didn't know with certainty what maintenance had been performed by the previous owner. That done, the next maintenance item is going to be an oil change some time in 2019. The oil system is sealed? There's also a comfort factor. In a hybrid the loudest noise you hear is typically tires on the road. And in the winter heat is instant--no waiting for the engine to warm up. And then there's coming out to the car on a hot or cold day and finding that it has run the heater or air conditioner for the past half hour and was nicely comfortable. The Tesla is a cool car and yes, if I had an extra 100k I'd get one. No justification needed other than I want one. I'd still need a second car for longer trips though, the range is good but not so easy for a 600 mile day. Or staying at hotels with no chargers. I don't think that's an issue for the CEO. We have two big Sikorskis hangared on the property and a jet at the airport. ....and you're worried about noise. giggle |
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On 8/3/2017 8:33 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 8/3/2017 7:59 AM, J. Clarke wrote: It's 13 miles to work and my employer provides preferred parking with company-paid chargers to people who drive electrics and hybrids. So it works fine for me. Most of my driving is the daily commute and it's usually all-electric. Seems that some electric drivers thing they are special and should get free fuel. Pay a premium for your car and you can join our elitist club and get special parking. I'd be afraid the masses of gas drivers would throw stones at my car parked there. The person two up the chain of command from me drives a Volt. She's an actuary, I'm pretty sure she knows how to crunch the numbers on practicality. She also lives farther from work than I do. Of course the CEO drives a Tesla. I'd like to see the numbers if she is justifying it on fuel cost savings. Many greenies don't care about money as much as saving a tree. The Tesla is a cool car and yes, if I had an extra 100k I'd get one. No justification needed other than I want one. I'd still need a second car for longer trips though, the range is good but not so easy for a 600 mile day. Or staying at hotels with no chargers. If you don't mind waiting in a looooong line of people in front of you the latest Tesla appears to be quite inexpensive compared to the first models. $30k range. |
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