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On 8/3/2017 7:59 AM, J. Clarke wrote:


It's 13 miles to work and my employer provides preferred

parking with company-paid chargers to people who drive electrics and
hybrids. So it works fine for me. Most of my driving is the daily commute
and it's usually all-electric.


Seems that some electric drivers thing they are special and should get
free fuel. Pay a premium for your car and you can join our elitist club
and get special parking. I'd be afraid the masses of gas drivers would
throw stones at my car parked there.


The person two up the chain of command from me drives a Volt. She's an
actuary, I'm pretty sure she knows how to crunch the numbers on
practicality. She also lives farther from work than I do. Of course the
CEO drives a Tesla.


I'd like to see the numbers if she is justifying it on fuel cost
savings. Many greenies don't care about money as much as saving a tree.


Many are just obnoxious assholes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JPZskYKUvY

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Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 8/3/2017 7:59 AM, J. Clarke wrote:


It's 13 miles to work and my employer provides preferred
parking with company-paid chargers to people who drive electrics and
hybrids. So it works fine for me. Most of my driving is the daily commute
and it's usually all-electric.


Seems that some electric drivers thing they are special and should get
free fuel. Pay a premium for your car and you can join our elitist club
and get special parking. I'd be afraid the masses of gas drivers would
throw stones at my car parked there.


The person two up the chain of command from me drives a Volt. She's an
actuary, I'm pretty sure she knows how to crunch the numbers on
practicality. She also lives farther from work than I do. Of course the
CEO drives a Tesla.


I'd like to see the numbers if she is justifying it on fuel cost
savings. Many greenies don't care about money as much as saving a tree.


Many are just obnoxious assholes.


Many _anything_, including conservatives and liberals, are obnoxious assholes. It's
endemic in the human condition. That doesn't justify blanket labels.
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Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 8/3/2017 11:49 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Ed Pawlowski writes:
On 8/3/2017 7:59 AM, J. Clarke wrote:


It's 13 miles to work and my employer provides preferred
parking with company-paid chargers to people who drive electrics and
hybrids. So it works fine for me. Most of my driving is the daily commute
and it's usually all-electric.

Seems that some electric drivers thing they are special and should get
free fuel.


I don't see how Clarke's statement supports your assertion.


Nor did I say that. It is what I've heard in conversation about
electric cars and subsidies. Just a comment from my observations over
time. Want names?



A company may actually disagree with your position on energy and climate
and choose to offer their employees a benefit that supports their
position on energy and climate. Is that illegal or immoral in your
view?


Did not say that did I? Any time a corporation gives privileges to some
and not others there is potential for bad blood.

Pay a premium for your car and you can join our elitist club
and get special parking. I'd be afraid the masses of gas drivers would
throw stones at my car parked there.


Really? Why would you be afraid of that?


The haves versus the have nots. Human instincts can kick in. M company
paid for all of my gas. I never told anyone else as it was none of
their business.


The person two up the chain of command from me drives a Volt. She's an
actuary, I'm pretty sure she knows how to crunch the numbers on
practicality. She also lives farther from work than I do. Of course the
CEO drives a Tesla.

I'd like to see the numbers if she is justifying it on fuel cost
savings. Many greenies don't care about money as much as saving a tree.


Ah, pejorative noted.


Good. I would not want you to miss it. A lot of people are willing to
pay a premium to be green. That is their decision. Ask Al Gore.


http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA679.html

o The past year, Gore's home energy use averaged 19,241 kilowatt hours (kWh)
every month, compared to the U.S. household average of 901 kWh per month.
o Gore guzzles more electricity in one year than the average American family
uses in 21 years.
o In September of 2016, Gore's home consumed 30,993 kWh in just one month - as
much energy as a typical American family burns in 34 months.
o During the last 12 months, Gore devoured 66,159 kWh of electricity just heating
his pool. That is enough energy to power six average U.S. households for a year.
o From August 2016 through July 2017, Gore spent almost $22,000 on electricity bills.
o Gore paid an estimated $60,000 to install 33 solar panels. Those solar panels produce
an average of 1,092 kWh per month, only 5.7% of Gore's typical monthly energy consumption.

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On 8/3/17 9:49 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 23:18:41 -0500, -MIKE-
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On 8/2/17 10:53 PM,
wrote:

Cool your jets. I replied to the THREAD.

No, you replied to me. You even used the word "you".

The "thread" can't post, only people can. If you are going to voice your opinion on
the scam issue - and use the word "you" - reply to some who feels it's a scam.


OK - not replying to anyone in particular, but someone needs to get a
thicker skin, and some people need to learn more about electric and
hybrid vehicles.
With today's energy costs - both gasoline and electric - even here in
Ontario, where our electricity costs are on the high side - if not the
most expensive in North America, then very close, electric vehicles
make sense on the energy cost basis. That's even on full electrics and
plug-in hybrids.

The North American power grid could not support the power requirements
if everyone switched to electric - for sure - as far as the carbon
footprint etc - a large power plant CAN be a lot more efficient and a
lot cleaner than an internal combustion engine powered fleet - even if
it is all fossil fuel fired. More power plants would be required, and
they could be MUCH better than the existing plants.

Hybrid vehicles make sense in MOST driving - particularly in urban
stop and go driving.(where net grid power requirements can often be
ZERO or very close due to regenerative braking and normal driving
totally recharging the battery.) The net efficiency is high because
the combination of battery and IC engine power is pretty well
optimized.


You're forgetting about the lithium.
You're also forgetting about manufacturing, shipping, mining, etc.,
etc., etc.
Carbon footprint is about a lot more than just energy consumption.

Lithium is one of the most pletiful elements in the world.


So what?


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On Thu, 03 Aug 2017 15:49:41 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
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Ed Pawlowski writes:
On 8/3/2017 7:59 AM, J. Clarke wrote:


It's 13 miles to work and my employer provides preferred
parking with company-paid chargers to people who drive electrics and
hybrids. So it works fine for me. Most of my driving is the daily commute
and it's usually all-electric.


Seems that some electric drivers thing they are special and should get
free fuel.


I don't see how Clarke's statement supports your assertion.

A company may actually disagree with your position on energy and climate
and choose to offer their employees a benefit that supports their
position on energy and climate. Is that illegal or immoral in your
view?

Pay a premium for your car and you can join our elitist club
and get special parking. I'd be afraid the masses of gas drivers would
throw stones at my car parked there.


Really? Why would you be afraid of that?

Possibly because that's what he would do???

The person two up the chain of command from me drives a Volt. She's an
actuary, I'm pretty sure she knows how to crunch the numbers on
practicality. She also lives farther from work than I do. Of course the
CEO drives a Tesla.


I'd like to see the numbers if she is justifying it on fuel cost
savings. Many greenies don't care about money as much as saving a tree.


Ah, pejorative noted.


The Tesla is a cool car and yes, if I had an extra 100k I'd get one. No
justification needed other than I want one. I'd still need a second car
for longer trips though, the range is good but not so easy for a 600
mile day. Or staying at hotels with no chargers.


As time passes, range anxiety will become less of an issue. However,
one can always rent a car for the weekend/long trips - for much less cost
than keeping a second one around.

And clearly, there are differences for folks that live in rural settings
vs. those who live in dense urban environments - there's no one-size-fits
all solution to transportation, energy supplies or the environment.

About 90% of my driving needs could be met with current all-electric
vehicles. The other 10% would be satisfied by a plug-in hybryd, or
even a simple hybrid, or a car like the Volt with the range extender
engine.
SWince I've virtually always had 2 vehicles (or more) my gasoline
truck could handle anything the electric couldn't - and renting short
term when I want something more comfortable than the truck or need to
take passengers is very affordable.

Unloke MOST of those complaining about electric cars, I have actually
owned and driven (and built) one.


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On Thu, 03 Aug 2017 18:08:14 +0000, Spalted Walt
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Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 8/3/2017 7:59 AM, J. Clarke wrote:


It's 13 miles to work and my employer provides preferred
parking with company-paid chargers to people who drive electrics and
hybrids. So it works fine for me. Most of my driving is the daily commute
and it's usually all-electric.


Seems that some electric drivers thing they are special and should get
free fuel. Pay a premium for your car and you can join our elitist club
and get special parking. I'd be afraid the masses of gas drivers would
throw stones at my car parked there.


The person two up the chain of command from me drives a Volt. She's an
actuary, I'm pretty sure she knows how to crunch the numbers on
practicality. She also lives farther from work than I do. Of course the
CEO drives a Tesla.


I'd like to see the numbers if she is justifying it on fuel cost
savings. Many greenies don't care about money as much as saving a tree.


Many are just obnoxious assholes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JPZskYKUvY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dgzjsDE8X0

Are you green?
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On Thu, 03 Aug 2017 18:35:34 +0000, Spalted Walt
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Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 8/3/2017 11:49 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Ed Pawlowski writes:
On 8/3/2017 7:59 AM, J. Clarke wrote:


It's 13 miles to work and my employer provides preferred
parking with company-paid chargers to people who drive electrics and
hybrids. So it works fine for me. Most of my driving is the daily commute
and it's usually all-electric.

Seems that some electric drivers thing they are special and should get
free fuel.

I don't see how Clarke's statement supports your assertion.


Nor did I say that. It is what I've heard in conversation about
electric cars and subsidies. Just a comment from my observations over
time. Want names?



A company may actually disagree with your position on energy and climate
and choose to offer their employees a benefit that supports their
position on energy and climate. Is that illegal or immoral in your
view?


Did not say that did I? Any time a corporation gives privileges to some
and not others there is potential for bad blood.

Pay a premium for your car and you can join our elitist club
and get special parking. I'd be afraid the masses of gas drivers would
throw stones at my car parked there.

Really? Why would you be afraid of that?


The haves versus the have nots. Human instincts can kick in. M company
paid for all of my gas. I never told anyone else as it was none of
their business.


The person two up the chain of command from me drives a Volt. She's an
actuary, I'm pretty sure she knows how to crunch the numbers on
practicality. She also lives farther from work than I do. Of course the
CEO drives a Tesla.

I'd like to see the numbers if she is justifying it on fuel cost
savings. Many greenies don't care about money as much as saving a tree.

Ah, pejorative noted.


Good. I would not want you to miss it. A lot of people are willing to
pay a premium to be green. That is their decision. Ask Al Gore.


http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA679.html

o The past year, Gore's home energy use averaged 19,241 kilowatt hours (kWh)
every month, compared to the U.S. household average of 901 kWh per month.
o Gore guzzles more electricity in one year than the average American family
uses in 21 years.
o In September of 2016, Gore's home consumed 30,993 kWh in just one month - as
much energy as a typical American family burns in 34 months.
o During the last 12 months, Gore devoured 66,159 kWh of electricity just heating
his pool. That is enough energy to power six average U.S. households for a year.
o From August 2016 through July 2017, Gore spent almost $22,000 on electricity bills.
o Gore paid an estimated $60,000 to install 33 solar panels. Those solar panels produce
an average of 1,092 kWh per month, only 5.7% of Gore's typical monthly energy consumption.



That's because Gore isn't anything close to being green (with anything
but envy) and is a typical politician. (I won't label him either left
or right, conservative or liberal, democrat or republican, because he
is most likely neither, in either case.
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(Scott Lurndal) wrote:

Spalted Walt writes:
Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 8/3/2017 7:59 AM, J. Clarke wrote:


It's 13 miles to work and my employer provides preferred
parking with company-paid chargers to people who drive electrics and
hybrids. So it works fine for me. Most of my driving is the daily commute
and it's usually all-electric.

Seems that some electric drivers thing they are special and should get
free fuel. Pay a premium for your car and you can join our elitist club
and get special parking. I'd be afraid the masses of gas drivers would
throw stones at my car parked there.


The person two up the chain of command from me drives a Volt. She's an
actuary, I'm pretty sure she knows how to crunch the numbers on
practicality. She also lives farther from work than I do. Of course the
CEO drives a Tesla.

I'd like to see the numbers if she is justifying it on fuel cost
savings. Many greenies don't care about money as much as saving a tree.


Many are just obnoxious assholes.


Many _anything_, including conservatives and liberals, are obnoxious assholes. It's
endemic in the human condition. That doesn't justify blanket labels.


Precisely why I didn't say *All* are obnoxious assholes.



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On 8/3/2017 7:59 AM, J. Clarke wrote:


It's 13 miles to work and my employer provides preferred

parking with company-paid chargers to people who drive electrics and
hybrids. So it works fine for me. Most of my driving is the daily commute
and it's usually all-electric.


Seems that some electric drivers thing they are special and should get
free fuel. Pay a premium for your car and you can join our elitist club
and get special parking. I'd be afraid the masses of gas drivers would
throw stones at my car parked there.


Anybody who throws stones has to get over a ten foot high fence and past
the security patrols. And if they're an employee they won't be one much
longer--there is full video surveillance and the company does not tolerate
vandalism by its employees.

The person two up the chain of command from me drives a Volt. She's an
actuary, I'm pretty sure she knows how to crunch the numbers on
practicality. She also lives farther from work than I do. Of course the
CEO drives a Tesla.


I'd like to see the numbers if she is justifying it on fuel cost
savings. Many greenies don't care about money as much as saving a tree.


It's not just fuel cost. Plug-in hybrids are very low maintenance. When I
got mine, used, I changed all the fluids and filters on the general
principle that I didn't know with certainty what maintenance had been
performed by the previous owner. That done, the next maintenance item is
going to be an oil change some time in 2019.

There's also a comfort factor. In a hybrid the loudest noise you hear is
typically tires on the road. And in the winter heat is instant--no waiting
for the engine to warm up.

And then there's coming out to the car on a hot or cold day and finding
that it has run the heater or air conditioner for the past half hour and
was nicely comfortable.

The Tesla is a cool car and yes, if I had an extra 100k I'd get one. No
justification needed other than I want one. I'd still need a second car
for longer trips though, the range is good but not so easy for a 600
mile day. Or staying at hotels with no chargers.


I don't think that's an issue for the CEO. We have two big Sikorskis
hangared on the property and a jet at the airport.




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On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 07:59:43 -0400, "J. Clarke"
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In article ,
says...

On 8/2/2017 1:39 AM, J. Clarke wrote:

Good trade for what? I see very limited use advantage over a gas
powered truck. The payback is just not there.

Exactly! It reality, it is a coal-fired truck.
Electric vehicles have a much higher life-long carbon footprint than
gasoline powered vehicles. From manufacture, to shipping, to
replacement of lithium batteries, to end-of-life, to disposal of the
lithium chemicals in the environment, etc., etc., etc., electric
vehicles are much worse for the environment than internal combustion
engine vehicles.

Them add up the lack in revenue due to the loss of gas tax revenue and
it is easily proven that electric cars are a big scam and waste of money
and horrible for the environment.

Maybe a century from now, things will be different. But right now, it's
a giant scam being played on the public.

Well I'm enjoying the "scam". I buy one tank of gas every two or three
months, and my electric bill isn't noticeably higher than it was before the
hybrid.



Plug in hybrid? I don't think they are as bad as the pure electrics.
Smaller battery and capturing power from braking.


What, you think that pure electrics don't have regen braking?


Where did I say they don't????

The biggest joke foisted off on the public was the Chevy Volt with a 24
mile range. You pay a premium for the car and it is only useful for
short trips.


That's Ford's models, the Volt has more like 50 mile range. My Ford has 21
mile range. It's 13 miles to work and my employer provides preferred
parking with company-paid chargers to people who drive electrics and
hybrids. So it works fine for me. Most of my driving is the daily commute
and it's usually all-electric.


What ford has a 50 mile range? My ElectraMobile had a 50 mile intown
range back in 1978


Who said anything about a Ford with a 50 mile range?

The person two up the chain of command from me drives a Volt. She's an
actuary, I'm pretty sure she knows how to crunch the numbers on
practicality. She also lives farther from work than I do. Of course the
CEO drives a Tesla.

And the Volt has range extensin technology.

I'm curious how well the climate control works in both 0 degrees and 100
degrees. My car will be a comfy 72 degrees but to do that with battery
power is going to suck a lot of miles from the total range. Typical car
AC is 30,000 BTU and that sucks a lot of power. So does electric heat.


The AC seems to use less power than the heat. In the winter I typically
run out of battery just as I'm pulling into the parking lot in the morning.
In the summer I typically have about 6 miles left when I get home.

The acceleration of the electrics looks like fun though.


All around my hybrid is quite pleasant.



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In article , says...

On 8/3/2017 7:59 AM, J. Clarke wrote:


It's 13 miles to work and my employer provides preferred
parking with company-paid chargers to people who drive electrics and
hybrids. So it works fine for me. Most of my driving is the daily commute
and it's usually all-electric.


Seems that some electric drivers thing they are special and should get
free fuel. Pay a premium for your car and you can join our elitist club
and get special parking. I'd be afraid the masses of gas drivers would
throw stones at my car parked there.


Anybody who throws stones has to get over a ten foot high fence and past
the security patrols. And if they're an employee they won't be one much
longer--there is full video surveillance and the company does not tolerate
vandalism by its employees.


Seems like your employer expects such problems. It must be a great
place to work.

The person two up the chain of command from me drives a Volt. She's an
actuary, I'm pretty sure she knows how to crunch the numbers on
practicality. She also lives farther from work than I do. Of course the
CEO drives a Tesla.


I'd like to see the numbers if she is justifying it on fuel cost
savings. Many greenies don't care about money as much as saving a tree.


No, they care about showing everyone else how much they care (about
something).

It's not just fuel cost. Plug-in hybrids are very low maintenance. When I
got mine, used, I changed all the fluids and filters on the general
principle that I didn't know with certainty what maintenance had been
performed by the previous owner. That done, the next maintenance item is
going to be an oil change some time in 2019.


The oil system is sealed?

There's also a comfort factor. In a hybrid the loudest noise you hear is
typically tires on the road. And in the winter heat is instant--no waiting
for the engine to warm up.

And then there's coming out to the car on a hot or cold day and finding
that it has run the heater or air conditioner for the past half hour and
was nicely comfortable.

The Tesla is a cool car and yes, if I had an extra 100k I'd get one. No
justification needed other than I want one. I'd still need a second car
for longer trips though, the range is good but not so easy for a 600
mile day. Or staying at hotels with no chargers.


I don't think that's an issue for the CEO. We have two big Sikorskis
hangared on the property and a jet at the airport.

....and you're worried about noise. giggle
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On 8/3/2017 8:33 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 8/3/2017 7:59 AM, J. Clarke wrote:

It's 13 miles to work and my employer provides preferred

parking with company-paid chargers to people who drive electrics and
hybrids. So it works fine for me. Most of my driving is the daily
commute
and it's usually all-electric.


Seems that some electric drivers thing they are special and should get
free fuel. Pay a premium for your car and you can join our elitist club
and get special parking. I'd be afraid the masses of gas drivers would
throw stones at my car parked there.


The person two up the chain of command from me drives a Volt. She's an
actuary, I'm pretty sure she knows how to crunch the numbers on
practicality. She also lives farther from work than I do. Of course the
CEO drives a Tesla.


I'd like to see the numbers if she is justifying it on fuel cost
savings. Many greenies don't care about money as much as saving a tree.

The Tesla is a cool car and yes, if I had an extra 100k I'd get one. No
justification needed other than I want one. I'd still need a second car
for longer trips though, the range is good but not so easy for a 600
mile day. Or staying at hotels with no chargers.



If you don't mind waiting in a looooong line of people in front of you
the latest Tesla appears to be quite inexpensive compared to the first
models. $30k range.
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