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On 1/15/2017 10:31 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
In article GIqdnYx6oJnfSu7FnZ2dnUU7- , lcb11211@swbelldotnet says... On 1/9/2017 11:44 AM, notbob wrote: On 2017-01-09, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: Sears is selling Craftsman, most all of us assume just the tools. I wonder what will become of the Craftsman lawn mowers/lawn power tools, and Craftsman Garage door openers. Who gives a rat's ass!? I give a rat's ass. What are you doing with the rest of the rat? Eating it of course. ;~) Ass is not what it's cracked up to be. |
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On 1/15/2017 12:23 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
It can. At the other end, Walmart sometimes has products with the same SKU as the ones you buy elsewhere but the product has been cheapened in some way, which is something I really wish the FTC would start stepping on. Do you have evidence of that? I've heard the rumor a hundred times but no one has ever given a specific. My DeWalt miter saw came from Home Depot with a free sander for $20 less than the local hardware store for the saw alone. The hardware store told me it was made cheaper in spite of the same model number. When asked what was different, they did not know. Just like the signs: Our gas has no water Our wood has no termites I've never seen a side be side comparison done. HP used to have different model printers, ie 850 vs. 855 vs 855I but they were all the same printer but different software for different sellers at different prices. |
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On 1/15/2017 11:23 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
Snip Also, I noticed a lot of stuff you buy at the Borgs have unique model numbers for stuff, and looking up those numbers turn up nothing. I would imagine this tactic would put a crimp in price matching if the store didn't want to match prices. $1 difference, no problem, $100 difference, big problem.... It can. At the other end, Walmart sometimes has products with the same SKU as the ones you buy elsewhere but the product has been cheapened in some way, which is something I really wish the FTC would start stepping on. Same product/model number and one is built with cheaper parts. I ask, how does one prove that. And is that maybe not just a case of the manufacturer improving the product with out changing the model number? Perhaps the older but less expensive model is sold at a discount to big high volume retailers to get rid of the older supply. I know that, as an example, software is sold as version 4.x. If you bought it a month a ago you got 4.1 tomorrow 4.4. Both versions were sold as 4.0. That might not be a great example but manufacturers constantly change parts with in a specific model especially if it has multiple suppliers of specific parts. The way you tell which model has what part is comparing the range that the serial number fall in. Stores don't compare serial numbers to determine if the product is an exact match or not. This may be why the FTC has not moved on this. |
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On 1/15/2017 11:17 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
In article 5bb738e7-7ee8-4c16-bd7e-e2a188f30248 @googlegroups.com, says... On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 9:37:06 AM UTC-6, Jack wrote: It's not hindsight, it is now. Sears could have easily shifted to online sales at any time, but my guess is management had their collective heads where the sun don't shine. Amazon started from scratch, Sears had a long history of catalog sales. They blew it big time by ignoring the CURRENT trends. How on earth could a retail store with a history of catalog sales IGNORE Amazon? Brain dead is what I think. -- Jack You seem to believe everything is so easy. Back in August Wal-Mart paid $3 BILLION for Jet.com online sales company. After spending years trying to increase online sales at Wal-Mart. Did all the fools at Wal-Mart have their head up their behinds? Why couldn't they just make online sales magically? Why? Wal-Mart is the largest retailer in the world. How could they not know how to sell online? As for comparing catalog sales to online sales. Maybe they are similar, maybe not. Catalog sales for Sears started dying out in the 50s, 60s. They had physical stores so no need for catalog sales. And the US became far more urban, not rural, in the second half of the century. Today everyone almost lives in a city or near a city. So today almost everyone is close to a physical Sears store. Why would they use a catalog? Online sales you have 50 choices and prices. Catalog you have 5. Are they the same? I have a tool catalog from Acme Tools on the shelf. I doubt I would order anything from it. I'd go to the store in town or use the internet. Is a catalog the same as online ordering, even in philosophy? You really are looking at this from the wrong perspective. A "catalog" is not a paper book, it is a list of items offered for sale. When you order from Amazon you are ordering from a catalog. May not seem that way but when you make something available for sale on Amazon you have to provide the information about what you are selling and how much you want to charge for it and so on and it goes into Amazon's database where it becomes visible to potential buyers. That database is no different in concept from the Sears Big Book--the only difference is that it's electronic and dynamic rather than paper and static. One importance difference is that some paper catalogs have codes that will give you the same price as what is stated in the catalog. Expiration dates,a change of season, usually put an end to that pricing, ie. Spring Catalog or Winter catalog. Many web sites ask for that code to give you the catalog price which may or may not be the price stated on line.. IIRC LeeValley does this. If you go to the internet the pricing can, as you stated, change "when ever". E-mails often have a discount code to lower the on-line pricing. |
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On 1/15/17 8:54 AM, notbob wrote:
Also, there are super slow rates. I ordered a pen from Japan. Received it in 10 days ....from Japan! A used book, I ordered from VA, took 30 days! Well, that's easy to explain. It took the original owner 3 weeks to read the book. :-D -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On 1/15/2017 12:24 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/15/2017 12:23 PM, J. Clarke wrote: It can. At the other end, Walmart sometimes has products with the same SKU as the ones you buy elsewhere but the product has been cheapened in some way, which is something I really wish the FTC would start stepping on. Do you have evidence of that? I've heard the rumor a hundred times but no one has ever given a specific. I have heard that too and believe that it may be just an excuse as to why one retailer charges more. My DeWalt miter saw came from Home Depot with a free sander for $20 less than the local hardware store for the saw alone. The hardware store told me it was made cheaper in spite of the same model number. When asked what was different, they did not know. Not all resellers get the same pricing from the manufacturer. Volume has much to do with what a reseller pays and passes on to the consumer and in many cases there are one time deals to be had from the manufacturer, like when the sander is included. Just like the signs: Our gas has no water Our wood has no termites I've never seen a side be side comparison done. HP used to have different model printers, ie 850 vs. 855 vs 855I but they were all the same printer but different software for different sellers at different prices. |
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On 1/15/17 10:59 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
In article , says... On 1/14/17 9:33 AM, Jack wrote: On 1/13/2017 5:28 PM, Markem wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 17:46:17 GMT, (Scott Lurndal) wrote: Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes: Granted again prices are all over the board on Amazon. While Prime is expensive up front each year, $99, that gets whittled away quickly if you need items quickly and actually pay extra for 2nd day delivery. Prime is good for some and so much for others. While I have no claim on internet retailing experience, I've found that my prime membership (and my costco executive membership) have paid for themselves each year, so far. Just watching Bionic Woman episodes on Amazon Prime TV was sufficient, Ah Jamie :-). Do not do Amazon in this household, you see my wife is in the publishing business. Amazon has made margin in that business a joke. I only buy books from Amazon, used. $.01 for most books, plus $3.99 shipping, so $4 delivered to your door. All the books I've bought are like new. Your wife doesn't need to worry about me though, I don't buy many books. My wife buys a ton though, and I have no clue what she pays, but they are all bought on-line, probably Amazon. As someone who has tried to make a living in the music business, I know that those barn doors are not only open, but gone, entirely.... in fact the barn has been burned to the ground. The price of music has dropped so far that it's not even an apples to oranges comparison between now and then, it's an apples to spaceships comparison. There ain't no going back so fighting it is futile. The simple fact is that audiophile recordings are a niche market. Most people are happy to pay 99 cents a track for MP3 singles. But I'm also seeing the MP3 albums going for more than the CD despite higher costs of production, which says that somebody somewhere is profiteering and if it's not the musician then he needs to reconsider his distribution channel. I'm not so much talking about the actual purchasing of music. Some artists have adapted and conquered. One I used to play for has no label but makes a very good living from iTunes, selling her music directly. What I'm really talking about it the free music on streaming services. Free or next to free. I personally know artists who've gotten millions of streams of their songs and their royalty checks couldn't pay a month's rent. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On 1/15/2017 12:51 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 1/15/17 10:59 AM, J. Clarke wrote: In article , says... On 1/14/17 9:33 AM, Jack wrote: On 1/13/2017 5:28 PM, Markem wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 17:46:17 GMT, (Scott Lurndal) wrote: Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes: Granted again prices are all over the board on Amazon. While Prime is expensive up front each year, $99, that gets whittled away quickly if you need items quickly and actually pay extra for 2nd day delivery. Prime is good for some and so much for others. While I have no claim on internet retailing experience, I've found that my prime membership (and my costco executive membership) have paid for themselves each year, so far. Just watching Bionic Woman episodes on Amazon Prime TV was sufficient, Ah Jamie :-). Do not do Amazon in this household, you see my wife is in the publishing business. Amazon has made margin in that business a joke. I only buy books from Amazon, used. $.01 for most books, plus $3.99 shipping, so $4 delivered to your door. All the books I've bought are like new. Your wife doesn't need to worry about me though, I don't buy many books. My wife buys a ton though, and I have no clue what she pays, but they are all bought on-line, probably Amazon. As someone who has tried to make a living in the music business, I know that those barn doors are not only open, but gone, entirely.... in fact the barn has been burned to the ground. The price of music has dropped so far that it's not even an apples to oranges comparison between now and then, it's an apples to spaceships comparison. There ain't no going back so fighting it is futile. The simple fact is that audiophile recordings are a niche market. Most people are happy to pay 99 cents a track for MP3 singles. But I'm also seeing the MP3 albums going for more than the CD despite higher costs of production, which says that somebody somewhere is profiteering and if it's not the musician then he needs to reconsider his distribution channel. I'm not so much talking about the actual purchasing of music. Some artists have adapted and conquered. One I used to play for has no label but makes a very good living from iTunes, selling her music directly. What I'm really talking about it the free music on streaming services. Free or next to free. I personally know artists who've gotten millions of streams of their songs and their royalty checks couldn't pay a month's rent. I think the music industry has changed in a way that music which is not "live" is simply a cost of doing business, it is a form of advertising to sell tickets to your live performance. |
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On 1/15/2017 12:46 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 1/15/17 8:54 AM, notbob wrote: Also, there are super slow rates. I ordered a pen from Japan. Received it in 10 days ....from Japan! A used book, I ordered from VA, took 30 days! Well, that's easy to explain. It took the original owner 3 weeks to read the book. :-D ROTFL! |
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On 2017-01-15, -MIKE- wrote:
It took the original owner 3 weeks to read the book. :-D LOL!..... |
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On Sun, 15 Jan 2017 11:59:48 -0500, "J. Clarke"
wrote: says... As someone who has tried to make a living in the music business, I know that those barn doors are not only open, but gone, entirely.... in fact the barn has been burned to the ground. The price of music has dropped so far that it's not even an apples to oranges comparison between now and then, it's an apples to spaceships comparison. There ain't no going back so fighting it is futile. The simple fact is that audiophile recordings are a niche market. Most people are happy to pay 99 cents a track for MP3 singles. But I'm also seeing the MP3 albums going for more than the CD despite higher costs of production, which says that somebody somewhere is profiteering and if it's not the musician then he needs to reconsider his distribution channel. But the artist gets screwed as it has always been, but for a few. |
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On 15 Jan 2017 14:54:35 GMT, notbob wrote:
On 2017-01-15, -MIKE- wrote: BTW, TN calls it a sales and use tax. WTF is that!? I'm getting charged to use something!? Watch out for shipping "and handling" (S&H). There are limits on shipping, but add "handling" and the sky is the limit. Also, there are super slow rates. I ordered a pen from Japan. Received it in 10 days ....from Japan! A used book, I ordered from VA, took 30 days! Watch restocking fees, also. Newegg has always had a 15% restocking fee, so I changed to Tiger Direct ....at least until TD instituted that same 15% fee. I bought a panetonne from SFBA. They charged me $20 to ship a 2lb package from SF to CO, yet a guy who sold me a 40lb golf cart charger charged me zero shipping, on ebay. Amazon wants $46 for a skillet. I can get that same skillet for $30, elsewhere. Problem is, "elsewhere" want $18 to ship it. Ya pays yer money and takes yer chances!...... ;) nb And what do they want for it at the "bricks and Mortar" across town where you can pick it off the shelf and take it home with you??? |
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On 15 Jan 2017 15:31:46 GMT, notbob wrote:
On 2017-01-15, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: About 5~6 weeks later they showed........ Yikes! You win. ;) nb Not quite the same, but when I was in Zambia I recieved a parcel that was postmarked in Kitchener Ontariuo 3 days prior - and almost a month later I got a letter, postmarked the same day, telling me to expect the parcel - - - - |
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On 1/15/2017 1:51 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
The simple fact is that audiophile recordings are a niche market. Most people are happy to pay 99 cents a track for MP3 singles. But I'm also seeing the MP3 albums going for more than the CD despite higher costs of production, which says that somebody somewhere is profiteering and if it's not the musician then he needs to reconsider his distribution channel. I'm not so much talking about the actual purchasing of music. Some artists have adapted and conquered. One I used to play for has no label but makes a very good living from iTunes, selling her music directly. What I'm really talking about it the free music on streaming services. Free or next to free. I personally know artists who've gotten millions of streams of their songs and their royalty checks couldn't pay a month's rent. Seems to be a big disparity. Some artists are worth many millions, others would starve. I read that George Michael was worth $200 million. I don't mind paying for music and have bought a handful of albums every year. With so many sources of sound, I have not had to buy anything for a few years now. I do pay for Sirius/XM but don't know if the artists get anything from what is played. For an extra $2 a month I can listen on my computer at home or at work. I get free music from Amazon Prime. Yesterday I qued up a couple of hours of YouTube music that payed through the receiver. |
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On 15 Jan 2017 21:55:56 GMT, notbob wrote:
On 2017-01-15, wrote: And what do they want for it at the "bricks and Mortar" across town where you can pick it off the shelf and take it home with you??? Are you assuming I could get it at the ""bricks and Mortar" across town"? nb Making that assumption in a populated area is not a great stretch - mabee not the EXACT one, but one that would do the job. A bit different out in "the boonies" |
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On Sun, 15 Jan 2017 08:28:13 -0600, Markem
wrote: On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 17:46:34 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 22:49:14 -0600, Markem wrote: Well as my wife is Director of an university press the damage done by Amazon is viewed critically. Self publishing is easy, getting your stuff sold though. As a matter of survival she has started a "vanity publishing arm" and so it goes. I wasn't talking abut "vanity publishing" (AKA paying someone for the honor of being a "published" author). People are making real money with their writing skills. The publisher is just unnecessary overhead. Just like all of us can play in the NFL (if you have Madden). ....and grass grows in the summer. |
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On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 22:29:48 -0600, -MIKE-
wrote: On 1/14/17 8:26 PM, Puckdropper wrote: (It also lets you avoid being charged for sales tax automatically in some states. You're still supposed to submit it anyway, but who does?) Puckdropper We can't avoid it anymore, since there's an Amazon warehouse in TN, so we get charged sales tax, anyway. BTW, TN calls it a sales and use tax. WTF is that!? I'm getting charged to use something!? I don't know of a state that doesn't call it that. The "use" tax part comes in if you're a stationary store and use a sheet of paper in your business office, you'e supposed to pay the tax because you *used* it, not because you "bought" it. |
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On Sun, 15 Jan 2017 09:26:48 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 1/15/2017 8:54 AM, notbob wrote: On 2017-01-15, -MIKE- wrote: BTW, TN calls it a sales and use tax. WTF is that!? I'm getting charged to use something!? Watch out for shipping "and handling" (S&H). There are limits on shipping, but add "handling" and the sky is the limit. Also, there are super slow rates. I ordered a pen from Japan. Received it in 10 days ....from Japan! A used book, I ordered from VA, took 30 days! LOL, I ordered 25 microfiber towels specifically made to clean glasses lens/specticals. Ordered on Amazon for about $7 including free shipping. About 5~6 weeks later they showed up oddly packaged with strange postage stamps. Direct from Viet Nam. Shipping subsidized by Uncle Sam. |
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On Sun, 15 Jan 2017 16:58:48 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 1/15/2017 4:55 PM, wrote: On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 22:29:48 -0600, -MIKE- wrote: On 1/14/17 8:26 PM, Puckdropper wrote: (It also lets you avoid being charged for sales tax automatically in some states. You're still supposed to submit it anyway, but who does?) Puckdropper We can't avoid it anymore, since there's an Amazon warehouse in TN, so we get charged sales tax, anyway. BTW, TN calls it a sales and use tax. WTF is that!? I'm getting charged to use something!? I don't know of a state that doesn't call it that. The "use" tax part comes in if you're a stationary store and use a sheet of paper in your business office, you'e supposed to pay the tax because you *used* it, not because you "bought" it. Yes. Tax gets paid one way or another. If you are a reseller and don't collect tax on what you bought to resell, you have to pay the tax. They've simplified it somewhat up here in Canada with the HST (Harmonized Sales Tax) Rate is different province to province but it is basically a Value Added Tax. As a business I pay the taxes on everything I buy and collect tax on everything I sell (including labor) I subtract the tax I pay from the tax I collect, and submit the balance. |
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On Sun, 15 Jan 2017 12:37:05 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 1/15/2017 11:17 AM, J. Clarke wrote: In article 5bb738e7-7ee8-4c16-bd7e-e2a188f30248 @googlegroups.com, says... On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 9:37:06 AM UTC-6, Jack wrote: It's not hindsight, it is now. Sears could have easily shifted to online sales at any time, but my guess is management had their collective heads where the sun don't shine. Amazon started from scratch, Sears had a long history of catalog sales. They blew it big time by ignoring the CURRENT trends. How on earth could a retail store with a history of catalog sales IGNORE Amazon? Brain dead is what I think. -- Jack You seem to believe everything is so easy. Back in August Wal-Mart paid $3 BILLION for Jet.com online sales company. After spending years trying to increase online sales at Wal-Mart. Did all the fools at Wal-Mart have their head up their behinds? Why couldn't they just make online sales magically? Why? Wal-Mart is the largest retailer in the world. How could they not know how to sell online? As for comparing catalog sales to online sales. Maybe they are similar, maybe not. Catalog sales for Sears started dying out in the 50s, 60s. They had physical stores so no need for catalog sales. And the US became far more urban, not rural, in the second half of the century. Today everyone almost lives in a city or near a city. So today almost everyone is close to a physical Sears store. Why would they use a catalog? Online sales you have 50 choices and prices. Catalog you have 5. Are they the same? I have a tool catalog from Acme Tools on the shelf. I doubt I would order anything from it. I'd go to the store in town or use the internet. Is a catalog the same as online ordering, even in philosophy? You really are looking at this from the wrong perspective. A "catalog" is not a paper book, it is a list of items offered for sale. When you order from Amazon you are ordering from a catalog. May not seem that way but when you make something available for sale on Amazon you have to provide the information about what you are selling and how much you want to charge for it and so on and it goes into Amazon's database where it becomes visible to potential buyers. That database is no different in concept from the Sears Big Book--the only difference is that it's electronic and dynamic rather than paper and static. One importance difference is that some paper catalogs have codes that will give you the same price as what is stated in the catalog. Expiration dates,a change of season, usually put an end to that pricing, ie. Spring Catalog or Winter catalog. Many web sites ask for that code to give you the catalog price which may or may not be the price stated on line.. IIRC LeeValley does this. If you go to the internet the pricing can, as you stated, change "when ever". E-mails often have a discount code to lower the on-line pricing. It goes a lot further than this. The price can change based on your zip code, your purchasing history, your browsing histroy, or even what browser you're using. They're watching. |
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In article ,
says... On 1/15/17 10:59 AM, J. Clarke wrote: In article , says... On 1/14/17 9:33 AM, Jack wrote: On 1/13/2017 5:28 PM, Markem wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 17:46:17 GMT, (Scott Lurndal) wrote: Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes: Granted again prices are all over the board on Amazon. While Prime is expensive up front each year, $99, that gets whittled away quickly if you need items quickly and actually pay extra for 2nd day delivery. Prime is good for some and so much for others. While I have no claim on internet retailing experience, I've found that my prime membership (and my costco executive membership) have paid for themselves each year, so far. Just watching Bionic Woman episodes on Amazon Prime TV was sufficient, Ah Jamie :-). Do not do Amazon in this household, you see my wife is in the publishing business. Amazon has made margin in that business a joke. I only buy books from Amazon, used. $.01 for most books, plus $3.99 shipping, so $4 delivered to your door. All the books I've bought are like new. Your wife doesn't need to worry about me though, I don't buy many books. My wife buys a ton though, and I have no clue what she pays, but they are all bought on-line, probably Amazon. As someone who has tried to make a living in the music business, I know that those barn doors are not only open, but gone, entirely.... in fact the barn has been burned to the ground. The price of music has dropped so far that it's not even an apples to oranges comparison between now and then, it's an apples to spaceships comparison. There ain't no going back so fighting it is futile. The simple fact is that audiophile recordings are a niche market. Most people are happy to pay 99 cents a track for MP3 singles. But I'm also seeing the MP3 albums going for more than the CD despite higher costs of production, which says that somebody somewhere is profiteering and if it's not the musician then he needs to reconsider his distribution channel. I'm not so much talking about the actual purchasing of music. Some artists have adapted and conquered. One I used to play for has no label but makes a very good living from iTunes, selling her music directly. What I'm really talking about it the free music on streaming services. Free or next to free. I personally know artists who've gotten millions of streams of their songs and their royalty checks couldn't pay a month's rent. Your tax dollars at work. Per RIAA: "The U.S. Congress has determined that, in certain limited circumstances and for public policy reasons, the government should determine the terms, conditions, and rates for a limited class of copyright licenses. For example, such a government created license may enable licensees to avoid entering into separate negotiations with numerous individual copyright holders, and thus create efficiencies that benefit society as a whole. Such licenses are called statutory (or compulsory) licenses, and generally the fee in such situations is paid according to a rate set by law, called a ?statutory rate.? In the music world, some types of performance and reproductions of sound recordings qualify for a statutory license. The most common type of use covered by these statutory licenses is for non-interactive webcasting or Internet radio. The sound recordings that you might hear through a satellite system in your car, or at home over your digital cable service, also are provided pursuant to a statutory license." |
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On 1/15/2017 9:35 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jan 2017 12:37:05 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 1/15/2017 11:17 AM, J. Clarke wrote: In article 5bb738e7-7ee8-4c16-bd7e-e2a188f30248 @googlegroups.com, says... On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 9:37:06 AM UTC-6, Jack wrote: It's not hindsight, it is now. Sears could have easily shifted to online sales at any time, but my guess is management had their collective heads where the sun don't shine. Amazon started from scratch, Sears had a long history of catalog sales. They blew it big time by ignoring the CURRENT trends. How on earth could a retail store with a history of catalog sales IGNORE Amazon? Brain dead is what I think. -- Jack You seem to believe everything is so easy. Back in August Wal-Mart paid $3 BILLION for Jet.com online sales company. After spending years trying to increase online sales at Wal-Mart. Did all the fools at Wal-Mart have their head up their behinds? Why couldn't they just make online sales magically? Why? Wal-Mart is the largest retailer in the world. How could they not know how to sell online? As for comparing catalog sales to online sales. Maybe they are similar, maybe not. Catalog sales for Sears started dying out in the 50s, 60s. They had physical stores so no need for catalog sales. And the US became far more urban, not rural, in the second half of the century. Today everyone almost lives in a city or near a city. So today almost everyone is close to a physical Sears store. Why would they use a catalog? Online sales you have 50 choices and prices. Catalog you have 5. Are they the same? I have a tool catalog from Acme Tools on the shelf. I doubt I would order anything from it. I'd go to the store in town or use the internet. Is a catalog the same as online ordering, even in philosophy? You really are looking at this from the wrong perspective. A "catalog" is not a paper book, it is a list of items offered for sale. When you order from Amazon you are ordering from a catalog. May not seem that way but when you make something available for sale on Amazon you have to provide the information about what you are selling and how much you want to charge for it and so on and it goes into Amazon's database where it becomes visible to potential buyers. That database is no different in concept from the Sears Big Book--the only difference is that it's electronic and dynamic rather than paper and static. One importance difference is that some paper catalogs have codes that will give you the same price as what is stated in the catalog. Expiration dates,a change of season, usually put an end to that pricing, ie. Spring Catalog or Winter catalog. Many web sites ask for that code to give you the catalog price which may or may not be the price stated on line.. IIRC LeeValley does this. If you go to the internet the pricing can, as you stated, change "when ever". E-mails often have a discount code to lower the on-line pricing. It goes a lot further than this. The price can change based on your zip code, your purchasing history, your browsing histroy, or even what browser you're using. They're watching. Yes but if you have a catalog reference code to lock in the catalog price it does not matter where you are, you get that price. |
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Sears to sell Craftsman to Stanley/B&D
On Sun, 15 Jan 2017 21:37:21 -0500, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jan 2017 16:58:48 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 1/15/2017 4:55 PM, wrote: On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 22:29:48 -0600, -MIKE- wrote: On 1/14/17 8:26 PM, Puckdropper wrote: (It also lets you avoid being charged for sales tax automatically in some states. You're still supposed to submit it anyway, but who does?) Puckdropper We can't avoid it anymore, since there's an Amazon warehouse in TN, so we get charged sales tax, anyway. BTW, TN calls it a sales and use tax. WTF is that!? I'm getting charged to use something!? I don't know of a state that doesn't call it that. The "use" tax part comes in if you're a stationary store and use a sheet of paper in your business office, you'e supposed to pay the tax because you *used* it, not because you "bought" it. Yes. Tax gets paid one way or another. If you are a reseller and don't collect tax on what you bought to resell, you have to pay the tax. They've simplified it somewhat up here in Canada with the HST (Harmonized Sales Tax) Rate is different province to province but it is basically a Value Added Tax. A sales tax is simpler than pretty much any other tax, including a VAT (only gets accounted for at it's last sale). As a business I pay the taxes on everything I buy and collect tax on everything I sell (including labor) I subtract the tax I pay from the tax I collect, and submit the balance. ....and everyone up and down the food chain has to do the same paperwork. |
Sears to sell Craftsman to Stanley/B&D
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Sears to sell Craftsman to Stanley/B&D
On 1/15/2017 8:37 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jan 2017 16:58:48 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 1/15/2017 4:55 PM, wrote: On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 22:29:48 -0600, -MIKE- wrote: On 1/14/17 8:26 PM, Puckdropper wrote: (It also lets you avoid being charged for sales tax automatically in some states. You're still supposed to submit it anyway, but who does?) Puckdropper We can't avoid it anymore, since there's an Amazon warehouse in TN, so we get charged sales tax, anyway. BTW, TN calls it a sales and use tax. WTF is that!? I'm getting charged to use something!? I don't know of a state that doesn't call it that. The "use" tax part comes in if you're a stationary store and use a sheet of paper in your business office, you'e supposed to pay the tax because you *used* it, not because you "bought" it. Yes. Tax gets paid one way or another. If you are a reseller and don't collect tax on what you bought to resell, you have to pay the tax. They've simplified it somewhat up here in Canada with the HST (Harmonized Sales Tax) Rate is different province to province but it is basically a Value Added Tax. We pay use tax based on the sales tax rate where we live. Sales tax is another animal altogether. In the Houston Metro area there are several taxing authorities, City, Metro, State... Determining and charging sales tax is complicated as there are probably dozen or more different city taxes to take into account. As a business I pay the taxes on everything I buy and collect tax on everything I sell (including labor) I subtract the tax I pay from the tax I collect, and submit the balance. In Texas you can elect to not pay sales tax for goods to be resold at the time of purchase. This gives you 8.25% more cash flow. My wife was an enforcement officer for the Texas state comptrollers office, 32 years. She does my sales tax. LOL In my previous life, the automotive business, I was a highly efficient "form filler outer". The Texas sales tax return form is unbelievable, and is allllll hers. |
Sears to sell Craftsman to Stanley/B&D
On Sun, 15 Jan 2017 22:00:17 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 1/15/2017 9:35 PM, wrote: On Sun, 15 Jan 2017 12:37:05 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 1/15/2017 11:17 AM, J. Clarke wrote: In article 5bb738e7-7ee8-4c16-bd7e-e2a188f30248 @googlegroups.com, says... On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 9:37:06 AM UTC-6, Jack wrote: It's not hindsight, it is now. Sears could have easily shifted to online sales at any time, but my guess is management had their collective heads where the sun don't shine. Amazon started from scratch, Sears had a long history of catalog sales. They blew it big time by ignoring the CURRENT trends. How on earth could a retail store with a history of catalog sales IGNORE Amazon? Brain dead is what I think. -- Jack You seem to believe everything is so easy. Back in August Wal-Mart paid $3 BILLION for Jet.com online sales company. After spending years trying to increase online sales at Wal-Mart. Did all the fools at Wal-Mart have their head up their behinds? Why couldn't they just make online sales magically? Why? Wal-Mart is the largest retailer in the world. How could they not know how to sell online? As for comparing catalog sales to online sales. Maybe they are similar, maybe not. Catalog sales for Sears started dying out in the 50s, 60s. They had physical stores so no need for catalog sales. And the US became far more urban, not rural, in the second half of the century. Today everyone almost lives in a city or near a city. So today almost everyone is close to a physical Sears store. Why would they use a catalog? Online sales you have 50 choices and prices. Catalog you have 5. Are they the same? I have a tool catalog from Acme Tools on the shelf. I doubt I would order anything from it. I'd go to the store in town or use the internet. Is a catalog the same as online ordering, even in philosophy? You really are looking at this from the wrong perspective. A "catalog" is not a paper book, it is a list of items offered for sale. When you order from Amazon you are ordering from a catalog. May not seem that way but when you make something available for sale on Amazon you have to provide the information about what you are selling and how much you want to charge for it and so on and it goes into Amazon's database where it becomes visible to potential buyers. That database is no different in concept from the Sears Big Book--the only difference is that it's electronic and dynamic rather than paper and static. One importance difference is that some paper catalogs have codes that will give you the same price as what is stated in the catalog. Expiration dates,a change of season, usually put an end to that pricing, ie. Spring Catalog or Winter catalog. Many web sites ask for that code to give you the catalog price which may or may not be the price stated on line.. IIRC LeeValley does this. If you go to the internet the pricing can, as you stated, change "when ever". E-mails often have a discount code to lower the on-line pricing. It goes a lot further than this. The price can change based on your zip code, your purchasing history, your browsing histroy, or even what browser you're using. They're watching. Yes but if you have a catalog reference code to lock in the catalog price it does not matter where you are, you get that price. I'm talking about online sales and Amazon, in particular. |
Sears to sell Craftsman to Stanley/B&D
On 1/15/2017 10:06 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jan 2017 21:37:21 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 15 Jan 2017 16:58:48 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 1/15/2017 4:55 PM, wrote: On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 22:29:48 -0600, -MIKE- wrote: On 1/14/17 8:26 PM, Puckdropper wrote: (It also lets you avoid being charged for sales tax automatically in some states. You're still supposed to submit it anyway, but who does?) Puckdropper We can't avoid it anymore, since there's an Amazon warehouse in TN, so we get charged sales tax, anyway. BTW, TN calls it a sales and use tax. WTF is that!? I'm getting charged to use something!? I don't know of a state that doesn't call it that. The "use" tax part comes in if you're a stationary store and use a sheet of paper in your business office, you'e supposed to pay the tax because you *used* it, not because you "bought" it. Yes. Tax gets paid one way or another. If you are a reseller and don't collect tax on what you bought to resell, you have to pay the tax. They've simplified it somewhat up here in Canada with the HST (Harmonized Sales Tax) Rate is different province to province but it is basically a Value Added Tax. A sales tax is simpler than pretty much any other tax, including a VAT (only gets accounted for at it's last sale). ;~) Unless you collect and pay sales tax as a business in Texas large city metro area, you may not be aware of the complications of collecting sales tax. Just for an example, I sell and deliver furniture to a customer 1 mile away. He pays 7.25%. I sell to another customer a block away but this time it happens to be in the city of Houston. He pays 8.25%. Tthere are at leas a dozen cities that have to be considered when determining sales tax. Now, you fill out the return form. You have to break down how much money goes to the state, and it is not always the same percentage, and for each of the cities, and finally MTA which may or may not be in any city or unincorporated area. If you are a hotel the taxes get more complicated to cover state, city, metro, hotel and entertainment complex. Then there are fuels taxes.... and the list goes on. As a business I pay the taxes on everything I buy and collect tax on everything I sell (including labor) I subtract the tax I pay from the tax I collect, and submit the balance. ...and everyone up and down the food chain has to do the same paperwork. |
Sears to sell Craftsman to Stanley/B&D
Ed Pawlowski writes:
On 1/13/2017 11:49 PM, Markem wrote: Do not do Amazon in this household, you see my wife is in the publishing business. Amazon has made margin in that business a joke. OTOH, Amazon allows individuals to self-publish, keeping more of their royalties and saving the buyers money. Not good for publishers but they don't have a value add in this sort of market. Well as my wife is Director of an university press the damage done by Amazon is viewed critically. Self publishing is easy, getting your stuff sold though. As a matter of survival she has started a "vanity publishing arm" and so it goes. From some stories I've heard, the publishing industry is getting what they deserve. I guess it depends on what side of the fence you are on. A guy I work with wrote a book with the intent of having it as a memory for his family. Amazon let him publish and list it and he has sold about 400 copies. Simon & Schuster types would not bother with the likes of him. My Dad did the same thing. |
Sears to sell Craftsman to Stanley/B&D
Markem writes:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 17:46:34 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 22:49:14 -0600, Markem wrote: Well as my wife is Director of an university press the damage done by Amazon is viewed critically. Self publishing is easy, getting your stuff sold though. As a matter of survival she has started a "vanity publishing arm" and so it goes. I wasn't talking abut "vanity publishing" (AKA paying someone for the honor of being a "published" author). People are making real money with their writing skills. The publisher is just unnecessary overhead. Just like all of us can play in the NFL (if you have Madden). That doesn't make much sense. If one has the skills, one can play in the NFL, or make real money self-publishing, or write computer programs for a living. |
Sears to sell Craftsman to Stanley/B&D
Jack writes:
On 1/13/2017 12:14 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: Jack writes: On 1/13/2017 10:46 AM, Leon wrote: Yes Amazon as well. I would suggest not dabbling in what you don't understand. Like those $1.99 shelf brackets that are more expensive than the Prime brackets once you add in the shipping. I'd suggest not dabbling in what you don't understand. Since neither of you seem to have any experience with online retailing, perhaps you're both tilting at windmills. How would you know how much experience we have with on line retailing? Besides, we certainly have plenty of experience with on-line retailing from the customers point of view, and that's about all that counts. If the customer doesn't like what you're doing, you're doing it wrong. The customer doesn't necessarily know _how_ to run an on-line retailing business, so I stand by the statement that you don't seem to have any experience with online retailing. Inventory, Shipping, Taxes, Dispute resolution, Returns, Sales Taxes, Legal, Finance et cetera et alia. |
Sears to sell Craftsman to Stanley/B&D
Jack writes:
On 1/13/2017 3:05 PM, wrote: There is a REASON there is a difference between wholesale (warehouse) and retail (store) pricing - and it has nothing to do with the retailer going after your gonads. The reason a retailer is going after my gonads is not important to me. If an item cost 3-10 times as much at a retail store, I'm not likely going to buy it, nor will their price gouging ways send a chill up my leg. I hate buying machine screws at Borgs, they come in sealed package of 3 for .99. I need 4, and the price is stupid. Most of their customers only need two screws, and are not interested in storing 98 others ad infinitum. Can't make everyone happy (although my local Orchard Supply Hardware will sell the two/four packs and also will sell an entire box of 25/50/100). Home Depot, Lowes aren't generally selling to the trade. Hardware stores used to sell them by the pound and they were cheap. Lowes sells threaded inserts individually for 10x's more than I can buy them at Granger. Why Sears, Lowes, Home Depot won't give a decent price on small items is not important to me. Again, your lack of retailing experience shows. It costs the retailer money to stock small items (e.g. those bags of three screws) for packaging, shipping, stocking, tracking. I guess enough people don't mind getting screwed, or even know they are getting screwed. Life must really suck for you. |
Sears to sell Craftsman to Stanley/B&D
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says... Jack writes: On 1/13/2017 3:05 PM, wrote: There is a REASON there is a difference between wholesale (warehouse) and retail (store) pricing - and it has nothing to do with the retailer going after your gonads. The reason a retailer is going after my gonads is not important to me. If an item cost 3-10 times as much at a retail store, I'm not likely going to buy it, nor will their price gouging ways send a chill up my leg. I hate buying machine screws at Borgs, they come in sealed package of 3 for .99. I need 4, and the price is stupid. Most of their customers only need two screws, and are not interested in storing 98 others ad infinitum. Can't make everyone happy (although my local Orchard Supply Hardware will sell the two/four packs and also will sell an entire box of 25/50/100). Home Depot, Lowes aren't generally selling to the trade. Hardware stores used to sell them by the pound and they were cheap. Lowes sells threaded inserts individually for 10x's more than I can buy them at Granger. Why Sears, Lowes, Home Depot won't give a decent price on small items is not important to me. Again, your lack of retailing experience shows. It costs the retailer money to stock small items (e.g. those bags of three screws) for packaging, shipping, stocking, tracking. I guess enough people don't mind getting screwed, or even know they are getting screwed. Life must really suck for you. You don't seem to understand sales--you seem to be one of those back room accountants who says "we have to charge x for this item and never mind that the guy across the street sells it for x/10". And after a while you decide to remove the item because you never sell any of them. And so it goes until the guy across the street has put you out of business. |
Sears to sell Craftsman to Stanley/B&D
On 1/14/2017 11:26 AM, Leon wrote:
On 1/14/2017 8:36 AM, Jack wrote: On 1/13/2017 12:37 PM, Leon wrote: Prime is not always the least expensive way to order an item but often it is, as seen with the shelf hanger clips/brackets. And yet it was still 3 times cheaper than buying the same item at Sears. -- Jack Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life. http://jbstein.com |
Sears to sell Craftsman to Stanley/B&D
On 1/14/2017 2:20 PM, Bill wrote:
Jack wrote: On 1/13/2017 3:05 PM, wrote: There is a REASON there is a difference between wholesale (warehouse) and retail (store) pricing - and it has nothing to do with the retailer going after your gonads. The reason a retailer is going after my gonads is not important to me. If an item cost 3-10 times as much at a retail store, I'm not likely going to buy it, nor will their price gouging ways send a chill up my leg. I hate buying machine screws at Borgs, they come in sealed package of 3 for .99. I need 4, and the price is stupid. Hardware stores used to sell them by the pound and they were cheap. Lowes sells threaded inserts individually for 10x's more than I can buy them at Granger. Why Sears, Lowes, Home Depot won't give a decent price on small items is not important to me. I guess enough people don't mind getting screwed, or even know they are getting screwed. I've been there myself. I needed a couple of screws from a small computer store. He asked me for 50 cents or so, but I gave him $2, and thanked him. Computer stores are not hardware stores. You should have given him a 5 for being nice to you, he should have given them free to be nice to a you. -- Jack Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life. http://jbstein.com |
Sears to sell Craftsman to Stanley/B&D
On 1/16/2017 9:51 AM, Jack wrote:
On 1/14/2017 11:26 AM, Leon wrote: On 1/14/2017 8:36 AM, Jack wrote: On 1/13/2017 12:37 PM, Leon wrote: Prime is not always the least expensive way to order an item but often it is, as seen with the shelf hanger clips/brackets. And yet it was still 3 times cheaper than buying the same item at Sears. Apples, Oranges. To be fair you need to figure 50 cents per mile going to and coming from Sears. That is your personal shipping cost. |
Sears to sell Craftsman to Stanley/B&D
On 1/15/17 11:28 AM, Leon wrote:
On 1/15/2017 11:23 AM, J. Clarke wrote: Snip Also, I noticed a lot of stuff you buy at the Borgs have unique model numbers for stuff, and looking up those numbers turn up nothing. I would imagine this tactic would put a crimp in price matching if the store didn't want to match prices. $1 difference, no problem, $100 difference, big problem.... It can. At the other end, Walmart sometimes has products with the same SKU as the ones you buy elsewhere but the product has been cheapened in some way, which is something I really wish the FTC would start stepping on. Same product/model number and one is built with cheaper parts. I ask, how does one prove that. And is that maybe not just a case of the manufacturer improving the product with out changing the model number? Case in point. When the fresh roasted green chile runs out and we are Jonesing for a fix, we have occasionally picked up a tub from either the local supermarket or Wal mart. Consistently, the Wal Mart tubs have lots more peels and other undesireables where as the supermarket version is fine. Tubs look the same (same SKU), but our guess is that undoubtedly Wal Mart demands the manufacturer supply at a lower price, so the manufacturer provides a product that falls down a notch on their QC. Easy enough to do (for a manufacturer) with foods, a bit more difficult to do with electronics, etc. Given the volume that Wal Mart generates for them, I'd bet that they find a way to modify production to satisfy the Wal Mart contracts and help keep their bottom line. FWIW -BR |
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