On Fri, 06 May 2016 15:47:42 -0700, OFWW wrote:

Here are some picture samples.
East wall kitchen.png
East Kitchen wall, pretty close to final result. Lower right hand
"blind cabinet" as normally designed
Door shown could be hinged right or left but the actual door opening
would be a maximum of 20 inches on a 48" cabinet.

Stove on left limits swing, dishwasher not shown limits the door
opening as well, and although it could be hinged for a 105 deg swing
the stile plus the spacer plate on the ff limit the access.

Sliding door.png

rough idea for sliding door. It would fit flush with the FF and look
like a normal full inset door. The right stile of the door would be
extra wide so as to act as a space where the dishwasher spacer meets
up with it, (a slight gap between the two) This way the door can slide
all the way to the right for full or maximum opening.
Right behind the ff would be the normal brackets for the drawers that
slide from the hidden part into the cabinet you would have normal
access to.

Sliding door top.png

Shows a "T" inserted into the door frame. While it shows as about 3/4
the length of the door, I would actually make it in two pieces so as
to minimize any drag when opening of closing. The brown colored piece
is screw to the top of the frame so it can be removed for any reason,
mainly for installation or removal of door once in place.

Sliding door bottom.png

Shows the bottom of the door with a straight insert. It two can be in
two pieces and the amount extruding from the door is shallower than
the groove of the bottom rail. It will allow for stuff falling into it
without jamming the door, and should be vacuumed out periodically.

Slides are none reacting SS or a polymer (slicker than snot plastic)
both top and bottom. with the edges filed at an angle / or \ slightly
to allow easy movement.

Idea is mine, not for resale, but for usage by all who have helped me,
if you find it has any use for you.

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alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking

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OFWW wrote:
On Fri, 06 May 2016 15:47:42 -0700, OFWW wrote:

OK, I see where you posted them. I didn't see them before because you
changed the subject and that act started a new thread.

I can't see the pix because my server doesn't carry that group but from your
description what you are making is a sliding door, not a pocket door. I'm
afraid the concept of sliding doors was devised long before you thought of
it.

I have a question: you have two cabinets at 90 degrees to each other and
the sliding door is to access drawers in one leg of the "L that slide into
the other leg of the "L", right? If so, why not just but the drawers in the
leg for which you want a sliding door?
___________________

Here are some picture samples.
East wall kitchen.png
East Kitchen wall, pretty close to final result. Lower right hand
"blind cabinet" as normally designed
Door shown could be hinged right or left but the actual door opening
would be a maximum of 20 inches on a 48" cabinet.

Stove on left limits swing, dishwasher not shown limits the door
opening as well, and although it could be hinged for a 105 deg swing
the stile plus the spacer plate on the ff limit the access.

Sliding door.png

rough idea for sliding door. It would fit flush with the FF and look
like a normal full inset door. The right stile of the door would be
extra wide so as to act as a space where the dishwasher spacer meets
up with it, (a slight gap between the two) This way the door can
slide all the way to the right for full or maximum opening.
Right behind the ff would be the normal brackets for the drawers that
slide from the hidden part into the cabinet you would have normal
access to.

Sliding door top.png

Shows a "T" inserted into the door frame. While it shows as about 3/4
the length of the door, I would actually make it in two pieces so as
to minimize any drag when opening of closing. The brown colored piece
is screw to the top of the frame so it can be removed for any reason,
mainly for installation or removal of door once in place.

Sliding door bottom.png

Shows the bottom of the door with a straight insert. It two can be in
two pieces and the amount extruding from the door is shallower than
the groove of the bottom rail. It will allow for stuff falling into
it without jamming the door, and should be vacuumed out periodically.

Slides are none reacting SS or a polymer (slicker than snot plastic)
both top and bottom. with the edges filed at an angle / or \ slightly
to allow easy movement.

Idea is mine, not for resale, but for usage by all who have helped
me, if you find it has any use for you.

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alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking

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On Sat, 7 May 2016 07:25:24 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

OFWW wrote:
On Fri, 06 May 2016 15:47:42 -0700, OFWW wrote:

OK, I see where you posted them. I didn't see them before because you
changed the subject and that act started a new thread.

I can't see the pix because my server doesn't carry that group but from your
description what you are making is a sliding door, not a pocket door. I'm
afraid the concept of sliding doors was devised long before you thought of
it.

I have no doubt, but I did a quick search and didn't find anything for
this purpose. I could make the top and bottom rails of the door with
tongues, and the top and the bottom rails of the FF with grooves, but
the longevity of it may not be there.


I have a question: you have two cabinets at 90 degrees to each other and
the sliding door is to access drawers in one leg of the "L that slide into
the other leg of the "L", right? If so, why not just but the drawers in the
leg for which you want a sliding door?

Yes, two at 90 deg (a blind cabinet, I was corrected by Swingman)

The blind cabinet has two drawers that slide into the side normally
accessed by the door, and that one has two full access slides which
have to be fully extended in order for the blind side to be usable.

Here is a short video of a similar cabinet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccINF1FzO3g

I just saw this video by Matthias, interesting as always, but the part
at the very beginning is something I was hoping to address with a
sliding door, as he was accessing the cabinet his door was slamming
against the adjoining cabinet. He also showed the problem with hinges
a little later on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXkf0-ieUmg#t=3.5530837

___________________

Here are some picture samples.
East wall kitchen.png
East Kitchen wall, pretty close to final result. Lower right hand
"blind cabinet" as normally designed
Door shown could be hinged right or left but the actual door opening
would be a maximum of 20 inches on a 48" cabinet.

Stove on left limits swing, dishwasher not shown limits the door
opening as well, and although it could be hinged for a 105 deg swing
the stile plus the spacer plate on the ff limit the access.

Sliding door.png

rough idea for sliding door. It would fit flush with the FF and look
like a normal full inset door. The right stile of the door would be
extra wide so as to act as a space where the dishwasher spacer meets
up with it, (a slight gap between the two) This way the door can
slide all the way to the right for full or maximum opening.
Right behind the ff would be the normal brackets for the drawers that
slide from the hidden part into the cabinet you would have normal
access to.

Sliding door top.png

Shows a "T" inserted into the door frame. While it shows as about 3/4
the length of the door, I would actually make it in two pieces so as
to minimize any drag when opening of closing. The brown colored piece
is screw to the top of the frame so it can be removed for any reason,
mainly for installation or removal of door once in place.

Sliding door bottom.png

Shows the bottom of the door with a straight insert. It two can be in
two pieces and the amount extruding from the door is shallower than
the groove of the bottom rail. It will allow for stuff falling into
it without jamming the door, and should be vacuumed out periodically.

Slides are none reacting SS or a polymer (slicker than snot plastic)
both top and bottom. with the edges filed at an angle / or \ slightly
to allow easy movement.

Idea is mine, not for resale, but for usage by all who have helped
me, if you find it has any use for you.

File descriptions for

alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking

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On Saturday, May 7, 2016 at 6:25:28 AM UTC-5, dadiOH wrote:


I can't see the pix because my server doesn't carry that group....

Can you access abpw?
http://www.delorie.com/wood/abpw/

Not sure if this is the same pics, he referred to, posted on that other group.

Sonny

Sonny wrote:
On Saturday, May 7, 2016 at 6:25:28 AM UTC-5, dadiOH wrote:


I can't see the pix because my server doesn't carry that group....

Can you access abpw?
http://www.delorie.com/wood/abpw/

Yes. Thanks Sonny.

OFWW wrote:
On Sat, 7 May 2016 07:25:24 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

OFWW wrote:
On Fri, 06 May 2016 15:47:42 -0700, OFWW wrote:

OK, I see where you posted them. I didn't see them before because
you changed the subject and that act started a new thread.

I can't see the pix because my server doesn't carry that group but
from your description what you are making is a sliding door, not a
pocket door. I'm afraid the concept of sliding doors was devised
long before you thought of it.

I have no doubt, but I did a quick search and didn't find anything for
this purpose. I could make the top and bottom rails of the door with
tongues, and the top and the bottom rails of the FF with grooves, but
the longevity of it may not be there.


I have a question: you have two cabinets at 90 degrees to each
other and the sliding door is to access drawers in one leg of the "L
that slide into the other leg of the "L", right? If so, why not
just but the drawers in the leg for which you want a sliding door?

Yes, two at 90 deg (a blind cabinet, I was corrected by Swingman)

The blind cabinet has two drawers that slide into the side normally
accessed by the door, and that one has two full access slides which
have to be fully extended in order for the blind side to be usable.

Here is a short video of a similar cabinet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccINF1FzO3g

I just saw this video by Matthias, interesting as always, but the part
at the very beginning is something I was hoping to address with a
sliding door, as he was accessing the cabinet his door was slamming
against the adjoining cabinet. He also showed the problem with hinges
a little later on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXkf0-ieUmg#t=3.5530837

Much clearer now, thank you. So you will need to remove the two full access
slides in order to access the two drawers. All in all, I;m glad I designed
our kitchen so that there are no cabinets at 90 degrees and adjacent to
another

Actually, I just finished doing something similar to what you are doing.
The vanity I built for my wife has a makeup table at 90 degrees to the
vanity at one end; that end butts against a wall as does the makeup table.
Having lived on my sailboat for 10 years, I abhor wasted space so I built a
stack of drawers as a pullout; the pullout pulls out under the makeup table
and the drawers then pull out at 90 degrees to the travel of the pullout
itself.

Unlike your situation, the only thing occupying space under the makeup table
would be my wife's feet so the pullout of drawers was a (relatively) easy
fix. Of course, when she wants to access the drawer stack she has to move
her feet so I made a nice little mahogany bench on casters

On Sat, 7 May 2016 15:54:57 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

OFWW wrote:
On Sat, 7 May 2016 07:25:24 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

OFWW wrote:
On Fri, 06 May 2016 15:47:42 -0700, OFWW wrote:

OK, I see where you posted them. I didn't see them before because
you changed the subject and that act started a new thread.

I can't see the pix because my server doesn't carry that group but
from your description what you are making is a sliding door, not a
pocket door. I'm afraid the concept of sliding doors was devised
long before you thought of it.

I have no doubt, but I did a quick search and didn't find anything for
this purpose. I could make the top and bottom rails of the door with
tongues, and the top and the bottom rails of the FF with grooves, but
the longevity of it may not be there.


I have a question: you have two cabinets at 90 degrees to each
other and the sliding door is to access drawers in one leg of the "L
that slide into the other leg of the "L", right? If so, why not
just but the drawers in the leg for which you want a sliding door?

Yes, two at 90 deg (a blind cabinet, I was corrected by Swingman)

The blind cabinet has two drawers that slide into the side normally
accessed by the door, and that one has two full access slides which
have to be fully extended in order for the blind side to be usable.

Here is a short video of a similar cabinet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccINF1FzO3g

I just saw this video by Matthias, interesting as always, but the part
at the very beginning is something I was hoping to address with a
sliding door, as he was accessing the cabinet his door was slamming
against the adjoining cabinet. He also showed the problem with hinges
a little later on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXkf0-ieUmg#t=3.5530837

Much clearer now, thank you. So you will need to remove the two full access
slides in order to access the two drawers. All in all, I;m glad I designed
our kitchen so that there are no cabinets at 90 degrees and adjacent to
another

Actually, I just finished doing something similar to what you are doing.
The vanity I built for my wife has a makeup table at 90 degrees to the
vanity at one end; that end butts against a wall as does the makeup table.
Having lived on my sailboat for 10 years, I abhor wasted space so I built a
stack of drawers as a pullout; the pullout pulls out under the makeup table
and the drawers then pull out at 90 degrees to the travel of the pullout
itself.

Unlike your situation, the only thing occupying space under the makeup table
would be my wife's feet so the pullout of drawers was a (relatively) easy
fix. Of course, when she wants to access the drawer stack she has to move
her feet so I made a nice little mahogany bench on casters

Cool!

In my case I currently have two such corners with wasted space,
meaning nothing is there, and no access available to it. I want to
rectify that as I redo the kitchen and maximize the storage space.

I have the usual "U" layout for the kitchen.