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i have noticed that the coops and shared work spaces are really sprouting up all over How do you like the arrangement of the coop or shared space you're part of some of them have quite a wide variety of machines available powder coat booths, CNC router, and on and on some have foundries, kilns, looms |
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On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 11:57:22 AM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
i have noticed that the coops and shared work spaces are really sprouting up all over How do you like the arrangement of the coop or shared space you're part of some of them have quite a wide variety of machines available powder coat booths, CNC router, and on and on some have foundries, kilns, looms It was not a woodworking shop, but when I was living on Long Island there was "shared shop" where you could rent a bay with a lift to do your auto repairs/modifications. It came with a bunch of free tools at each bay, other free tools available from the tool crib and some specialized tools that had a rental fee. We used to do our own exhaust work, front end work, etc. I remember seeing a lot of guys use the shop to install lift kits and huge tires on their pick-up trucks. While I found the use of the shared space extremely convenient, I think the difference between a shared auto repair space and a shared woodworking shop is that woodworking equipment needs a lot more individualized set-up than an auto shop bay. Let's say you need to cut hundreds of tenons for a bunch of cabinet doors. Ideally you would want to set up the table saw (or router) once, cut them all, and them move on - even if you had to to take a break for a day or two. A shared shop may mean that you have spend (waste) a lot of shop time setting up the equipment multiple times. |
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Electric Comet wrote:
i have noticed that the coops and shared work spaces are really sprouting up all over How do you like the arrangement of the coop or shared space you're part of some of them have quite a wide variety of machines available powder coat booths, CNC router, and on and on some have foundries, kilns, looms I have to admit - I have never heard of coops -besides those that Swingman builds. I'm not big though on club type services. I live out in the country, so I'm not big on driving into some location to do something - I'd rather equip myself to do it right here in my garage. But - that is just a personal perspective. I have the space to put in any type of equipment that I decide to buy and put to use, so that may also affect my perspective - I don't have to resort to going somewhere simply because I cannot accomodate that function myself. -- -Mike- |
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"Electric Comet" wrote in message
... i have noticed that the coops and shared work spaces are really sprouting up all over How do you like the arrangement of the coop or shared space you're part of some of them have quite a wide variety of machines available powder coat booths, CNC router, and on and on some have foundries, kilns, looms I have a large array of interests, so a coop or even several coops sound like a good idea on the surface, but I've found that whenever I have to count on others (even when I am paying them) my plans get derailed. Example: I bought a Miller 212 and learned to weld aluminum because a local welding shop kept telling me two weeks for months on end. I'm not as good a welder as he is, but my aluminum boat doesn't sink, and my welds don't break. I think that a core group in a coop probably gets great benefit from it, and others find that they are always waiting for their turn to use something. If there is a coop you are interested in I would see if you can hang around some at the times you might be working, and see how you are treated before ponying up any cash or equipment. If you can't size each other up ahead of time, or they only seem to want you to join because you have something they need then you might want to keep looking. A group should go both ways. Any group. There are some guys in my fishing clubs that I actively dislike, but if I saw them up high and dry on a sandbar or floating down river with a blown motor I'ld get out my heavy tow rope. That's the kind of group (club, coop, association, etc) you do want to be a member of. |
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There was a coop in the valley I lived in for years. Then a 'new'
guy used some of the wood of another and all heck broke out. The wood was special the the owner and he was a mentally injured Vet from Nam. It was not pretty. The Coop shut down. Martin On 5/1/2015 11:35 AM, Mike Marlow wrote: Electric Comet wrote: i have noticed that the coops and shared work spaces are really sprouting up all over How do you like the arrangement of the coop or shared space you're part of some of them have quite a wide variety of machines available powder coat booths, CNC router, and on and on some have foundries, kilns, looms I have to admit - I have never heard of coops -besides those that Swingman builds. I'm not big though on club type services. I live out in the country, so I'm not big on driving into some location to do something - I'd rather equip myself to do it right here in my garage. But - that is just a personal perspective. I have the space to put in any type of equipment that I decide to buy and put to use, so that may also affect my perspective - I don't have to resort to going somewhere simply because I cannot accomodate that function myself. |
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On Fri, 1 May 2015 10:07:25 -0700
"Bob La Londe" wrote: I have a large array of interests, so a coop or even several coops sound like a good idea on the surface, but I've found that whenever I have to count on others (even when I am paying them) my plans get derailed. This list I got from the web one from the scheduling calendar where you schedule the machine i don't know what they all are to me it's an impressive list 3D Printer #3 (UP!) 3D Printer (Printrbot) 3D Scanner CNC Desktop Router (ShopBot Desktop) CNC Embroiderer CNC Milling Machine (Tormach) CNC Wood Router (ShopBot Buddy) CNC Wood Router (ShopBot) Computer Lab Conference Room Heat Press Industrial Serger Machine Industrial Straight Stitch Industrial Walking Foot Injection Molding Machine Jointer/Planer Laser Cutter #1 Laser Cutter #2 Laser Cutter #3 Laser Rotary Attachment Lathe #1 (Jet) Lathe #2 (Jet) MakerBot Replicator (Dual Head) MakerBot Replicator (Single Head) MIG/TIG Welder #1 (Lincoln) MIG/TIG Welder #2 (Lincoln) Milling Machine #1 (Jet) Milling Machine #2 (Jet) Milling Machine #3 (Jet) Powder Coating Oven Quilting Machine Sandblaster Sewing Machine #1 Sewing Machine #2 Silk Screening Machine Spray Booth Table Saw/Router Vacuum Former Vehicle Bay Vinyl Cutter Waterjet (Flowjet) Wood Lathe |
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On Fri, 1 May 2015 09:22:59 -0700 (PDT)
DerbyDad03 wrote: individualized set-up than an auto shop bay. Let's say you need to cut hundreds of tenons for a bunch of cabinet doors. Ideally you would want to set up the table saw (or router) once, cut them all, and them move on - even if you had to to take a break for a day or two. A shared shop may mean that you have spend (waste) a lot of shop time setting up the equipment multiple times. the shops i have looked at their websites of have scheduling they are strict about the scheduling which is good in another post i listed all the machines that can be scheduled this list is also what you can schedule but from a different co opp Available Tools 4 axis CNC mill manual mill metal lathe 6 needle embroidery machine CNC router sand blasting cabinet CNC plasma cutter planishing hammer English wheel TIG welder gas welder MIG welder shear (16 gauge) metal belt sander horizontal band saw metal and wood bandsaw permitted paint booth wood belt sander 3D printer (abs plastic) Corner Notcher Shrinker/ Stretcher 35 Ton Press Brake Grinder/ Polisher metal and wood drill presses Saw Stop table saw 15" planer miter saw panel saw cnc router with vacuum table assorted hand tools VIC Engrave Corel Software Suite V Carve Pro EagleCAD, Rhino Fritzing, Alibre Mach3 Cut 3D, SketchUp DecoraStudio Arduino, PCB 123 large format laser cutters laser engravers CNC Plasma oscilloscopes function generator variable power supplies multi-meters soldering irons large format vinyl cutter industrial sewing machine large format inkjet printer free wireless internet service conference room w/projector 4 color silk screen and dryer and much more... |
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On Fri, 01 May 2015 20:13:25 -0500
Martin Eastburn wrote: Nam. It was not pretty. The Coop shut down. sounds like a poorly run place if they let people steal things from others worse that they didn't intervene to prevent something bad the co oops now are well run as they need to be to prevent bad stuff happening some are not cheap but they open up possibilities that are unavailable to most people i know someone that joined on recently and is energized about making things and it's good to see you can see in other posts the list of machines available car bays paint booths powder coat booths English wheel and on and on i think once anyone with even a little imagination begins to see the capabilities can begin making things they may not have considered before |
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On Fri, 1 May 2015 12:35:58 -0400
"Mike Marlow" wrote: I have to admit - I have never heard of coops -besides those that i only found out recently how many there are it's not a fad and they are well managed and organized and can be big $$$ posted equipment lists in other posts it is impressive |
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I would not like the travel aspect of using the equipment. Even if it is an impressive list of equipment and is available at any hour. You have to spend 30-60 minutes each way getting to the shop. My woodworking is usually done in short intervals. 1 or 2 hours at a time to accomplish one aspect of the project. Never 8-10-12 hours straight completing the whole project. And if you are traveling to and from the shop, you would feel you need to spend an entire day there to justify it. Its a hobby to me. I want to do it when I want to do it for as long as I want. Short or long. The travel makes it more of a job. You spend 30 minutes getting to the shop/job. You work all day at the shop/job. Then spend 30 minutes going home. And is the co-op shop open 24 hours a day, 365 days a year? Who knows when I will want to cut a board.
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On Sat, 2 May 2015 15:08:23 -0700 (PDT)
" wrote: I would not like the travel aspect of using the equipment. you would not like the payments you'd have to make to have those tools available to you here's a list from two different shops: 3D Printer #3 (UP!) 3D Printer (Printrbot) 3D Scanner CNC Desktop Router (ShopBot Desktop) CNC Embroiderer CNC Milling Machine (Tormach) CNC Wood Router (ShopBot Buddy) CNC Wood Router (ShopBot) Computer Lab Conference Room Heat Press Industrial Serger Machine Industrial Straight Stitch Industrial Walking Foot Injection Molding Machine Jointer/Planer Laser Cutter #1 Laser Cutter #2 Laser Cutter #3 Laser Rotary Attachment Lathe #1 (Jet) Lathe #2 (Jet) MakerBot Replicator (Dual Head) MakerBot Replicator (Single Head) MIG/TIG Welder #1 (Lincoln) MIG/TIG Welder #2 (Lincoln) Milling Machine #1 (Jet) Milling Machine #2 (Jet) Milling Machine #3 (Jet) Powder Coating Oven Quilting Machine Sandblaster Sewing Machine #1 Sewing Machine #2 Silk Screening Machine Spray Booth Table Saw/Router Vacuum Former Vehicle Bay Vinyl Cutter Waterjet (Flowjet) Wood Lathe other shop list 4 axis CNC mill manual mill metal lathe 6 needle embroidery machine CNC router sand blasting cabinet CNC plasma cutter planishing hammer English wheel TIG welder gas welder MIG welder shear (16 gauge) metal belt sander horizontal band saw metal and wood bandsaw permitted paint booth wood belt sander 3D printer (abs plastic) Corner Notcher Shrinker/ Stretcher 35 Ton Press Brake Grinder/ Polisher metal and wood drill presses Saw Stop table saw 15" planer miter saw panel saw cnc router with vacuum table assorted hand tools VIC Engrave Corel Software Suite V Carve Pro EagleCAD Rhino Fritzing Alibre Mach3 Cut 3D SketchUp DecoraStudio Arduino PCB 123 large format laser cutters laser engravers CNC Plasma oscilloscopes function generator variable power supplies multi-meters soldering irons large format vinyl cutter industrial sewing machine large format inkjet printer free wireless internet service conference room w/projector 4 color silk screen and dryer and much more... |
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: I would not like the travel aspect of using the equipment. Even if it is an impressive list of equipment and is available at any hour. You have to spend 30-60 minutes each way getting to the shop. My woodworking is usually done in short intervals. 1 or 2 hours at a time to accomplish one aspect of the project. Never 8-10-12 hours straight completing the whole project. And if you are traveling to and from the shop, you would feel you need to spend an entire day there to justify it. Its a hobby to me. I want to do it when I want to do it for as long as I want. Short or long. The travel makes it more of a job. You spend 30 minutes getting to the shop/job. You work all day at the shop/job. Then spend 30 minutes going home. And is the co-op shop open 24 hours a day, 365 days a year? Who knows when I will want to cut a board. Obviously it's not a replacement for having your own tools and stuff. However, considering they make access to otherwise inaccessible equipment it might be worth joining. (Do you have space for a CNC mill, 3D printer, laser cutter, injection molding machine etc?) I travel 30 minutes each way to get to the local model railroad club. I usually spend the evening down there on meeting nights, so the travel isn't bad at all. Puckdropper -- Make it to fit, don't make it fit. |
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Electric Comet wrote:
On Sat, 2 May 2015 15:08:23 -0700 (PDT) " wrote: I would not like the travel aspect of using the equipment. you would not like the payments you'd have to make to have those tools available to you here's a list from two different shops: SNIP irrelevant list of stuff... But - how many of those would you ever find a use for? -- -Mike- |
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On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 11:11:00 PM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
On Fri, 1 May 2015 09:22:59 -0700 (PDT) DerbyDad03 wrote: individualized set-up than an auto shop bay. Let's say you need to cut hundreds of tenons for a bunch of cabinet doors. Ideally you would want to set up the table saw (or router) once, cut them all, and them move on - even if you had to to take a break for a day or two. A shared shop may mean that you have spend (waste) a lot of shop time setting up the equipment multiple times. the shops i have looked at their websites of have scheduling Is that English? they are strict about the scheduling which is good That doesn't change my thoughts on issues related individualized setup. In fact, it actually supports my point. If I have 120 tenons to cut for a kitchen project, I can set up my table saw once and knock them off in a matter of hours or a matter of weeks, depending on *my* schedule. If I have to share a table saw and schedule my time based on when it's available, I may have to set up the saw multiple times. If I can't schedule a block of time long enough to do the set up (install the dado stack, do some test cuts, etc.) then cut my tenons then put the saw back to whatever they consider "original condition" before my time is up, I would have to set-up and take down the saw multiple times. ....Snip... |
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On Sat, 2 May 2015 19:23:33 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote: On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 11:11:00 PM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote: On Fri, 1 May 2015 09:22:59 -0700 (PDT) DerbyDad03 wrote: individualized set-up than an auto shop bay. Let's say you need to cut hundreds of tenons for a bunch of cabinet doors. Ideally you would want to set up the table saw (or router) once, cut them all, and them move on - even if you had to to take a break for a day or two. A shared shop may mean that you have spend (waste) a lot of shop time setting up the equipment multiple times. the shops i have looked at their websites of have scheduling Is that English? they are strict about the scheduling which is good That doesn't change my thoughts on issues related individualized setup. In fact, it actually supports my point. If I have 120 tenons to cut for a kitchen project, I can set up my table saw once and knock them off in a matter of hours or a matter of weeks, depending on *my* schedule. If I have to share a table saw and schedule my time based on when it's available, I may have to set up the saw multiple times. If I can't schedule a block of time long enough to do the set up (install the dado stack, do some test cuts, etc.) then cut my tenons then put the saw back to whatever they consider "original condition" before my time is up, I would have to set-up and take down the saw multiple times. ...Snip... I was a member of a local woodworking/craft club foe a couple of years and will likely rejoin when I retire. They had a good assortment of power woodworking tools as well as upholstery tools (industrial sewing machine etc) |
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On 5/1/2015 11:54 AM, Electric Comet wrote: i have noticed that the coops and shared work spaces are really sprouting up all over How do you like the arrangement of the coop or shared space you're part of some of them have quite a wide variety of machines available powder coat booths, CNC router, and on and on some have foundries, kilns, looms There's a place in Norwalk Connecticut that I stumbled on because it is attached to a Woodcraft dealership. They have a spacious shop; 5000 sq. feet if memory serves, with a fair amount of gear and workstations. Here's the interesting bit: you don't necessarily need to become a member to use it. They sell "time cards", which (again, from memory) work out to something like $15/hour if bought in 10-hour increments. [all of this information is a couple of years old) I was there on a Saturday or Sunday at around midday, presumably "rush hour". There were a half dozen people working. The fellow I spoke to said that some people come there at the beginning of a project to use their (very large) table saw, jointer, planer, bandsaw, etc. Then they take the parts home and continue in their own (presumably small, less well-equipped) shops. They give classes there as well. If you join, you can not only use the shop whenever you please, but you can store your work there; I believe they have a locked area. The pay-as-you-go option seemed pretty attractive for an under-equipped guy like me. If the place wasn't an hour from home I might have tried it by now. You can apparently even have lumber delivered directly to the place. One of the people who does that was a woman in her late sixties (at least). She apparently takes the train there every weekend from NY City. I'm not sure what she was building; when I was there she was cutting up some small parts. Maybe she rents a car once in a while to bring the work home. I just took a look at their site: http://www.woodworkersclubnorwalk.co...ults.asp?Cat=2 Turns out the prices I remember are still accurate. You can actually get 25 hours for $210. I remember a giant old table saw, but now they apparently have two SawStops. I probably really should get my "planning" act in gear and start a project there, but my free time is kind of hit-or-miss. It would be awfully efficient though. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com |
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On Sun, 03 May 2015 09:17:39 -0400
Greg Guarino wrote: Turns out the prices I remember are still accurate. You can actually get 25 hours for $210. I remember a giant old table saw, but now they apparently have two SawStops. I probably really should get my "planning" act in gear and start a project there, but my free time is kind of hit-or-miss. It would be awfully efficient though. that is not bad some of the shops require monthly commitments there are lots of different usage/subscription models |
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On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 3:57:49 PM UTC-4, Mike Marlow wrote:
Electric Comet wrote: they make a lot of sense to me and they open up opportunities for a lot of folks that don't have the space, money or know-how Excellent! That's how it should work - you see value in it, you spend your money on it. It just don't get any better than that. Well, it could get a little better than that: It could actually *have* value. Some people see value where it doesn't really exist. ;-) |
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"Mike Marlow" wrote in message
... Electric Comet wrote: On Sat, 2 May 2015 15:08:23 -0700 (PDT) " wrote: I would not like the travel aspect of using the equipment. you would not like the payments you'd have to make to have those tools available to you here's a list from two different shops: SNIP irrelevant list of stuff... But - how many of those would you ever find a use for? Interestingly I have most of the machines on his list that I have a use for, and a few that aren't listed like brakes and presses. I wouldn't mind a bigger lathe, but the two little ones I have get me by. I wouldn't mind a tig welder, but the dual head - dual tank Miller 212 does most of my shop welding adequately. My Lincoln suitcase handles most of the field work. For really dirty welding I even still have on old cracker box stick welder. The only thing on their list I covet is a 3D scanner. Probably pick one up later this year. Can't afford a really good one, but I sure won't have a Cubify or a MakerBot either. Anyway, the coop might work out for some people. If you use your tools everyday maybe not so much. My only real concern was that tools are available fairly and often, and not just for the in cliché. I had not thought about travel. My shop is about 40 yards from my house. Anyway, I still stick by my original thoughts on the subject. See if you can hang around during the times you might be expecting to use the coop's work shop and see if it seems like a place you would like doing your work. Prospect them like you were joining a motorcycle club. That way you can see if it's a good match for you while they see if you are a good match for them. |
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On Wed, 6 May 2015 16:38:35 -0700
"Bob La Londe" wrote: Interestingly I have most of the machines on his list that I have a use for, and a few that aren't listed like brakes and presses. I well you must have real nice shop one shop does has a 35 ton press brake Anyway, the coop might work out for some people. If you use your it seems to work good for a lot of people since the shops are showing up all over now club. That way you can see if it's a good match for you while they see if you are a good match for them. haven't looked to see what's closest mostly just looking because it's such a great idea and it's setting a spark in a lot of people that just would never have access to that kind of equipments at a price that's affordable a lot of people spend more on their phone/cable bill |
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