What is? Thermally treated wood.

I was at a yard buying lumber earlier today and they had some thermally
treated ash. Dark brown, through and through.

He had a small piece he had finished and it was drop dead gorgeous...black
in the "grain area", deep brown elsewhere.

I did a bit of Googling and it seems the treatment carmalizes the sugars in
the wood resulting in much increase stability, much more water resistance
and an outdoor life of 25 years without chemicals.

More...
http://www.baileywp.com/html/thermo_tech.html
http://www.rainscreenclip.com/therma...ed-rainscreen/


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On 3/12/15 5:16 PM, dadiOH wrote:
What is? Thermally treated wood.

I was at a yard buying lumber earlier today and they had some
thermally treated ash. Dark brown, through and through.

He had a small piece he had finished and it was drop dead
gorgeous...black in the "grain area", deep brown elsewhere.

I did a bit of Googling and it seems the treatment carmalizes the
sugars in the wood resulting in much increase stability, much more
water resistance and an outdoor life of 25 years without chemicals.

More... http://www.baileywp.com/html/thermo_tech.html
http://www.rainscreenclip.com/therma...ed-rainscreen/



I used bamboo plywood to build some cabinetry in our bathroom(s) remodel
at the old place. It was darkened throughout with a patented process I
suspect is similar to what referenced.

http://goo.gl/FRtgKk


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On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 17:24:20 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:

On 3/12/15 5:16 PM, dadiOH wrote:
What is? Thermally treated wood.

I was at a yard buying lumber earlier today and they had some
thermally treated ash. Dark brown, through and through.

He had a small piece he had finished and it was drop dead
gorgeous...black in the "grain area", deep brown elsewhere.

I did a bit of Googling and it seems the treatment carmalizes the
sugars in the wood resulting in much increase stability, much more
water resistance and an outdoor life of 25 years without chemicals.

More... http://www.baileywp.com/html/thermo_tech.html
http://www.rainscreenclip.com/therma...ed-rainscreen/



I used bamboo plywood to build some cabinetry in our bathroom(s) remodel
at the old place. It was darkened throughout with a patented process I
suspect is similar to what referenced.

http://goo.gl/FRtgKk

In a previous house, we put down "caramelized" bamboo flooring. It
too was darkened all the way through. That was some nice stuff. In
our last place, the contractor put in a lighter bamboo and it didn't
hold up nearly as well. Not sure if the caramelization made it harder
but it sure made it better looking.

"dadiOH" wrote in :

What is? Thermally treated wood.

They have been doing it in Europe for a while now. I have
seen pictures of a quite large wood truss bridge in (I think)
the Netherlands built with it, with no chemical preservatives
used at all.

That said, I think the jury is still out on how well it
compares with pressure-treated wood.

(it occurs to me that fire-hardening wood for spears was
known to our cave-man ancestors, so I guess nothing is
really new).

John

On 3/12/2015 5:16 PM, dadiOH wrote:
What is? Thermally treated wood.

I was at a yard buying lumber earlier today and they had some thermally
treated ash. Dark brown, through and through.

He had a small piece he had finished and it was drop dead gorgeous...black
in the "grain area", deep brown elsewhere.

I did a bit of Googling and it seems the treatment carmalizes the sugars in
the wood resulting in much increase stability, much more water resistance
and an outdoor life of 25 years without chemicals.

More...
http://www.baileywp.com/html/thermo_tech.html
http://www.rainscreenclip.com/therma...ed-rainscreen/



It is a relatively new process for changing the chemical make up of
wood. I ran across it at Lowes 5~6 years ago when looking for a
replacement door jam for an exterior door. The door jam is resistant to
rot and bugs.
A little more recently I have seen it at Rockler in 4~5 color
variations. Blue, green, yellowish, brown, black. IIRC
It is a pretty cool process that seems environmentally safe compared to
traditional PT wood for out door applications.

"dadiOH" wrote in :

What is? Thermally treated wood.

I was at a yard buying lumber earlier today and they had some
thermally treated ash. Dark brown, through and through.

He had a small piece he had finished and it was drop dead
gorgeous...black in the "grain area", deep brown elsewhere.

I did a bit of Googling and it seems the treatment carmalizes the
sugars in the wood resulting in much increase stability, much more
water resistance and an outdoor life of 25 years without chemicals.

More...
http://www.baileywp.com/html/thermo_tech.html
http://www.rainscreenclip.com/therma...ed-rainscreen/



Cool! Looks like the drawbacks are that it splits easier and galvanized
fasteners aren't recommended (that might make a difference if screwing
heat treated wood into pressure treated wood like on a deck--but
stainless steel fasteners aren't too expensive in quantity.) Other than
that, it looks like a pretty good upgrade... especially for exterior use.

I'll have to do some looking to see how it compares in price to pressure
treated wood. I've got a deck railing that's annoying me because the
soaking wet pressure treated does all kinds of things when drying out.

Puckdropper
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Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

"Puckdropper" wrote:

Cool! Looks like the drawbacks are that it splits easier and
galvanized
fasteners aren't recommended (that might make a difference if
screwing
heat treated wood into pressure treated wood like on a deck--but
stainless steel fasteners aren't too expensive in quantity.) Other
than
that, it looks like a pretty good upgrade... especially for exterior
use.

-----------------------------------------
If you are going to buy full box qty (100 pcs) of S/S fastners,
Jamestown Distributors will probably have the best assortment as well
as price, especially 316.

304 (18-8) is also stocked.

Lew

On 3/12/2015 10:47 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
"dadiOH" wrote in :

What is? Thermally treated wood.

I was at a yard buying lumber earlier today and they had some
thermally treated ash. Dark brown, through and through.

He had a small piece he had finished and it was drop dead
gorgeous...black in the "grain area", deep brown elsewhere.

I did a bit of Googling and it seems the treatment carmalizes the
sugars in the wood resulting in much increase stability, much more
water resistance and an outdoor life of 25 years without chemicals.

More...
http://www.baileywp.com/html/thermo_tech.html
http://www.rainscreenclip.com/therma...ed-rainscreen/



Cool! Looks like the drawbacks are that it splits easier and galvanized
fasteners aren't recommended (that might make a difference if screwing
heat treated wood into pressure treated wood like on a deck--but
stainless steel fasteners aren't too expensive in quantity.) Other than
that, it looks like a pretty good upgrade... especially for exterior use.

I'll have to do some looking to see how it compares in price to pressure
treated wood. I've got a deck railing that's annoying me because the
soaking wet pressure treated does all kinds of things when drying out.

Puckdropper

It has been quite a while since I saw a reference to price but PT was
still considerably less expensive, IIRC 1/4 the price of the heat
treated was. But that said Ipe is used extensively for decking and
almost as hard as a rock. I have read that its life expectancy is
between 30~50 years unprotected.

On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 00:20:36 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy
wrote:

"dadiOH" wrote in :

What is? Thermally treated wood.

They have been doing it in Europe for a while now. I have
seen pictures of a quite large wood truss bridge in (I think)
the Netherlands built with it, with no chemical preservatives
used at all.

That said, I think the jury is still out on how well it
compares with pressure-treated wood.

(it occurs to me that fire-hardening wood for spears was
known to our cave-man ancestors, so I guess nothing is
really new).

If I am rembering correctly it dates back to the viking boat builders,
nothing is new it is just recycled.n

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in news:55026549$0$44454
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"Puckdropper" wrote:

Cool! Looks like the drawbacks are that it splits easier and
galvanized
fasteners aren't recommended (that might make a difference if
screwing
heat treated wood into pressure treated wood like on a deck--but
stainless steel fasteners aren't too expensive in quantity.) Other
than
that, it looks like a pretty good upgrade... especially for exterior
use.

-----------------------------------------
If you are going to buy full box qty (100 pcs) of S/S fastners,
Jamestown Distributors will probably have the best assortment as well
as price, especially 316.

+1 on Jamestown Distributors. I haven't found any place that's
consistantly cheaper, and Jamestown has always been prompt and
accurate.

They're also the best place for silicon bronze, if you happen
to have a need for that.

John

"Puckdropper" wrote:

Cool! Looks like the drawbacks are that it splits easier and
galvanized
fasteners aren't recommended (that might make a difference if
screwing
heat treated wood into pressure treated wood like on a deck--but
stainless steel fasteners aren't too expensive in quantity.)
Other
than
that, it looks like a pretty good upgrade... especially for
exterior
use.
-----------------------------------------
"Lew Hodgett" wrote:

If you are going to buy full box qty (100 pcs) of S/S fastners,
Jamestown Distributors will probably have the best assortment as
well
as price, especially 316.
------------------------------------------------
"John McCoy" wrote:

+1 on Jamestown Distributors. I haven't found any place that's
consistantly cheaper, and Jamestown has always been prompt and
accurate.

They're also the best place for silicon bronze, if you happen
to have a need for that.
------------------------------------------------------
The operative words are STAIN LESS and that includes 316.

My first choice for an outdoors application using treated lumber
would be silicon bronze.


Lew

On 3/12/2015 6:16 PM, dadiOH wrote:
What is? Thermally treated wood.

I was at a yard buying lumber earlier today and they had some thermally
treated ash. Dark brown, through and through.

He had a small piece he had finished and it was drop dead gorgeous...black
in the "grain area", deep brown elsewhere.

I did a bit of Googling and it seems the treatment carmalizes the sugars in
the wood resulting in much increase stability, much more water resistance
and an outdoor life of 25 years without chemicals.

More...
http://www.baileywp.com/html/thermo_tech.html
http://www.rainscreenclip.com/therma...ed-rainscreen/



Yea, saw that with Lee Valley's chisels that are made of maple that have
been super heated and carmelized.

I was going to try that some day.
I love the look.



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