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On 4/11/2014 8:52 AM, Leon wrote:
Actually they have steel string too.


In fact, if you put steel strings on a classical, you'll probably break
it (so I hear), because they are not made for the same amount of tension.

I think you might be in a bit over your head here Bill, I certainly am, but
do know you are doing a lot of guessing.:-(

Take a look here, this is the brand guitar that Linda Lowe owns. Scroll
down to the close up of the strings.

http://artisanguitars.com/collings-o...-appointments/

I'm pretty sure that the "metallic-looking" strings on a nylon-string
guitar are a nylon core with some sort of metal wound around it. They
were on the one nylon-string guitar I ever owned, anyway. That metal is
likely there to add mass, but it's the nylon that is the source of the
tension, which I believe is lower than that of steel strings.



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On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 07:52:13 -0500, Leon wrote:

There are alot of different guitar playing styles.

Amen to that!

http://www.youtube.com/embed/Ddn4MGaS3N4

http://www.youtube.com/embed/b1GZC0GQKOA

http://www.youtube.com/embed/ORMsYWJ6fLI

http://www.youtube.com/embed/QcanWkRbnwQ

http://www.youtube.com/embed/rV6SmY04WdE

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Swingman wrote:


BTW, Mike Marlow is a good guitar player and songwriter, if you didn't
know that.

Geezus - thanks Karl! I consider myself something of a hack - sort of a
mediocre kind of thing. I like playing and writing, but never expected
anyone to call what I do "good". Now I need to get down to Houston - gotta
go where my freakin' fans are...

--

-Mike-

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Swingman wrote:
On 4/11/2014 10:03 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 4/11/14, 8:15 AM, Swingman wrote:
Mostly a bass player by trade, playing both upright and electric
bass ... I do love tickling your wives and girlfriend's bottom
ends, and making them move. ;)


Bass players are always such pervs. :-p

Bofus have to be ... drummers and bass players only get to see the
chick singers from behind.

Consider yerself lucky. Us guitar players get to see what they look like
when their false teeth fall out, their fake eye lashes come un-glued, and
god-forbid, when they pull their damned shirts up...

--

-Mike-

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On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 10:03:44 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:

On 4/11/14, 8:15 AM, Swingman wrote:
Mostly a bass player by trade, playing both upright and electric bass
... I do love tickling your wives and girlfriend's bottom ends, and
making them move. ;)


Bass players are always such pervs. :-p

I work for one. You're right. ;-)

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On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 19:09:34 +0000, Spalted Walt
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 07:52:13 -0500, Leon wrote:

There are alot of different guitar playing styles.

Amen to that!

Here's a nylon and steel string playing together. The nylon string
guitar takes the lead starting at 2:28

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTFh0OYh-cI

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Leon wrote:
Bill wrote:
IIRC some of the chords require a thumb to wrap around and press the
string/strings.
To many, using the thumb that way is considered poor technique. So,
it's absolutely not required.
Strings on an electric guitar are probably easiest to push down.
Classical guitar strings may require
less force to hold them down, I'm not sure; I know they are strung under
much less tension.
Ummm how do you tune the guitar correctly if under less tension? Do
you actually play a guitar?


Classical guitars have nylon strings, thus lower tension.
Actually they have steel string too.


In fact, if you put steel strings on a classical, you'll probably break
it (so I hear), because they are not made for the same amount of tension.

I think you might be in a bit over your head here Bill, I certainly am, but
do know you are doing a lot of guessing. :-(

I don't think I am doing so much guessing as you might think. I am not
sure what you want me to see at your link below. There are several
types of guitar strings.
Even many several sizes within a particular type, and a dozen different
labels and alloys, I suppose.

I found this online (in several places) to corroborate what I was saying:

A typical set of regular-gauge steel acoustic guitar strings puts 179
lbs (81.3kg) of tension on a guitar.

A typical set of nylon strings puts 83.6 lbs (37.9kg) of tension on a
guitar.

-- So steel strings put much more tension on a guitar. Did I claim
anything more? A classical guitar and a steel string guitar are two
different instruments.

And to a classical player, holding strings down with the thumb is
considered poor technique (it impairs the reach of your fingers)--look
it up, or ask Swingman.

Bill




Take a look here, this is the brand guitar that Linda Lowe owns. Scroll
down to the close up of the strings.

http://artisanguitars.com/collings-o...-appointments/

Regardless, Most of what I build I never use, I would not have a problem
with building a guitar and not using it.. I would have a problem with
building something that resembled a guitar and sounded terrible. I highly
suspect that knowing how to play a guitar would be instrumental in building
one that might be at least a cut above average.

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On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 18:23:28 -0500, Gray_Wolf
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 19:09:34 +0000, Spalted Walt
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 07:52:13 -0500, Leon wrote:

There are alot of different guitar playing styles.

Amen to that!

Here's a nylon and steel string playing together. The nylon string
guitar takes the lead starting at 2:28



Here's a newer version played on two nylon string guitars. Al Di Meola
has traditionally played a steel string guitar but is playing a nylon
string using a flat pick on this. I like it better. I think the steel
string guitar's sustain can turn some things into a roaring mess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v35YhhzCrYk

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Kevin Miller wrote:
On 04/10/2014 07:48 PM, Leon wrote:

Ummm how do you tune the guitar correctly if under less tension? Do you
actually play a guitar?

Some years back, Richy Furey did a concert here. He tuned his guitar
a half step low (maybe to match his vocal range?), and would just capo
up if he needed to.

One can also, of course, use light gauge strings instead of medium or
heavy gauge...

For my own entertainment, I use light strings and I don't bring my
strings all the way up to pitch, so I can bend them easier (that would
be a problem playing as part of a group).
As everyone here knows, putting your fingers in the right place at the
right time
is one thing, but sounding good is all about the nuances that no one can
see. And even the player making those nuances is making half of them
subconsciously.

I pulled out my guitar in December and tried to play a song I hadn't
played in a numbers of years ("Windy & Warm", one of my few strongest
pieces). And though I had totally forgotten it, my fingers slowly
remembered it with an hour and a half of coaxing (which included
listening to the recording). Especially the next day.

I subscribed to "Finger Style Guitar" magazine for a couple of years.
And maybe I was able to eek one piece from every-other issue. "As a
friend says, it's not how good you are, it's how much you like it."
Just like woodworking, huh? Just like a lot of things. Sex, for
instance.. ; )

Bill




...Kevin

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Gray_Wolf wrote:
Here's a nylon and steel string playing together. The nylon string
guitar takes the lead starting at 2:28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTFh0OYh-cI

With regard to a comment made earlier, observe (if desired) that the
player playing the nylon stringed guitar "did not fret a single note
with his thumb" the whole time!

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On 4/11/14, 1:10 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 4/11/2014 10:03 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 4/11/14, 8:15 AM, Swingman wrote:
Mostly a bass player by trade, playing both upright and electric bass
... I do love tickling your wives and girlfriend's bottom ends, and
making them move. ;)


Bass players are always such pervs. :-p

Bofus have to be ... drummers and bass players only get to see the chick
singers from behind.


You saw the pics from that last chick group I played for, right? :-D


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

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On 4/11/2014 6:23 PM, Bill wrote:
Leon wrote:
Bill wrote:
IIRC some of the chords require a thumb to wrap around and press the
string/strings.
To many, using the thumb that way is considered poor technique.
So,
it's absolutely not required.
Strings on an electric guitar are probably easiest to push down.
Classical guitar strings may require
less force to hold them down, I'm not sure; I know they are strung
under
much less tension.
Ummm how do you tune the guitar correctly if under less tension? Do
you actually play a guitar?


Classical guitars have nylon strings, thus lower tension.
Actually they have steel string too.


In fact, if you put steel strings on a classical, you'll probably
break
it (so I hear), because they are not made for the same amount of tension.

I think you might be in a bit over your head here Bill, I certainly
am, but
do know you are doing a lot of guessing. :-(

I don't think I am doing so much guessing as you might think. I am not
sure what you want me to see at your link below. There are several
types of guitar strings.
Even many several sizes within a particular type, and a dozen different
labels and alloys, I suppose.

I found this online (in several places) to corroborate what I was saying:

A typical set of regular-gauge steel acoustic guitar strings puts 179
lbs (81.3kg) of tension on a guitar.

A typical set of nylon strings puts 83.6 lbs (37.9kg) of tension on a
guitar.

-- So steel strings put much more tension on a guitar. Did I claim
anything more? A classical guitar and a steel string guitar are two
different instruments.

And to a classical player, holding strings down with the thumb is
considered poor technique (it impairs the reach of your fingers)--look
it up, or ask Swingman.

I was simply pointing out that there are/can be steel strings on a
standard/non electric guitar. The link I provided plus the mention to
scroll down to the picture showing the steel strings on the classical
guitar was to show you that this is true.

You said, Classical guitars have nylon strings, thus lower tension. In
fact, if you put steel strings on a classical, you'll probably break it
(so I hear).

I really don't care one way or another. I am absolutely not interested
in playing or building a guitar. I am not an expert, not even close to
very knowledgeable about a guitar. So when you referred that classical
guitars have nylon, not steel strings, it seemed to me that you were
guessing.

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On 4/11/2014 2:38 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Swingman wrote:


BTW, Mike Marlow is a good guitar player and songwriter, if you didn't
know that.

Geezus - thanks Karl! I consider myself something of a hack - sort of a
mediocre kind of thing. I like playing and writing, but never expected
anyone to call what I do "good". Now I need to get down to Houston - gotta
go where my freakin' fans are...


Hey, if Karl says you are good, you are good! Every one is good at
something. ;~)

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On 4/11/2014 11:31 PM, Leon wrote:
On 4/11/2014 6:23 PM, Bill wrote:
Leon wrote:
Bill wrote:
IIRC some of the chords require a thumb to wrap around and press the
string/strings.
To many, using the thumb that way is considered poor technique.
So,
it's absolutely not required.
Strings on an electric guitar are probably easiest to push down.
Classical guitar strings may require
less force to hold them down, I'm not sure; I know they are strung
under
much less tension.
Ummm how do you tune the guitar correctly if under less tension? Do
you actually play a guitar?


Classical guitars have nylon strings, thus lower tension.
Actually they have steel string too.


In fact, if you put steel strings on a classical, you'll probably
break
it (so I hear), because they are not made for the same amount of
tension.

I think you might be in a bit over your head here Bill, I certainly
am, but
do know you are doing a lot of guessing. :-(

I don't think I am doing so much guessing as you might think. I am not
sure what you want me to see at your link below. There are several
types of guitar strings.
Even many several sizes within a particular type, and a dozen different
labels and alloys, I suppose.

I found this online (in several places) to corroborate what I was saying:

A typical set of regular-gauge steel acoustic guitar strings puts 179
lbs (81.3kg) of tension on a guitar.

A typical set of nylon strings puts 83.6 lbs (37.9kg) of tension on a
guitar.

-- So steel strings put much more tension on a guitar. Did I claim
anything more? A classical guitar and a steel string guitar are two
different instruments.

And to a classical player, holding strings down with the thumb is
considered poor technique (it impairs the reach of your fingers)--look
it up, or ask Swingman.

I was simply pointing out that there are/can be steel strings on a
standard/non electric guitar. The link I provided plus the mention to
scroll down to the picture showing the steel strings on the classical
guitar was to show you that this is true.

You said, Classical guitars have nylon strings, thus lower tension. In
fact, if you put steel strings on a classical, you'll probably break it
(so I hear).

I really don't care one way or another. I am absolutely not interested
in playing or building a guitar. I am not an expert, not even close to
very knowledgeable about a guitar. So when you referred that classical
guitars have nylon, not steel strings, it seemed to me that you were
guessing.



And just as a last comment, the link below points to a randomly picked
set of strings for an acoustical guitar.

This particular set has no non-metallic strings.

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Ernie-Ba...61-i1447197.gc

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Bill wrote:
Leon wrote:
Bill wrote:
IIRC some of the chords require a thumb to wrap around and press the
string/strings.
To many, using the thumb that way is considered poor technique. So,
it's absolutely not required.
Strings on an electric guitar are probably easiest to push down.
Classical guitar strings may require
less force to hold them down, I'm not sure; I know they are strung under
much less tension.
Ummm how do you tune the guitar correctly if under less tension? Do
you actually play a guitar?


Classical guitars have nylon strings, thus lower tension.
Actually they have steel string too.


In fact, if you put steel strings on a classical, you'll probably break
it (so I hear), because they are not made for the same amount of tension.

I think you might be in a bit over your head here Bill, I certainly am, but
do know you are doing a lot of guessing. :-(

I don't think I am doing so much guessing as you might think. I am not
sure what you want me to see at your link below. There are several types
of guitar strings.
Even many several sizes within a particular type, and a dozen different
labels and alloys, I suppose.

I found this online (in several places) to corroborate what I was saying:

A typical set of regular-gauge steel acoustic guitar strings puts 179 lbs
(81.3kg) of tension on a guitar.

A typical set of nylon strings puts 83.6 lbs (37.9kg) of tension on a guitar.

-- So steel strings put much more tension on a guitar. Did I claim
anything more? A classical guitar and a steel string guitar are two different instruments.

And to a classical player, holding strings down with the thumb is
considered poor technique (it impairs the reach of your fingers)--look it
up, or ask Swingman.

Bill




Take a look here, this is the brand guitar that Linda Lowe owns. Scroll
down to the close up of the strings.

http://artisanguitars.com/collings-o...-appointments/

Regardless, Most of what I build I never use, I would not have a problem
with building a guitar and not using it.. I would have a problem with
building something that resembled a guitar and sounded terrible. I highly
suspect that knowing how to play a guitar would be instrumental in building
one that might be at least a cut above average.




Ok, a bit or research has revealed to me that an acoustical guitar is not
necessarily a classic or steel string guitar. Knowing little about either
as previously stated I assumed that a traditional looking, non electric
guitar, was both classical and acoustical. I assumed that both came in
both nylon and steel string varieties. I now stand corrected..

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Leon wrote:
Bill wrote:
Ok, a bit or research has revealed to me that an acoustical guitar is
not necessarily a classic or steel string guitar. Knowing little about
either as previously stated I assumed that a traditional looking, non
electric guitar, was both classical and acoustical. I assumed that
both came in both nylon and steel string varieties. I now stand
corrected..

Thanks Leon. The only thing I'll add is that since they can be built
lighter, the price of a starter "classical" nylon string guitar
can be less than its corresponding one with steel strings. It just
depends what you want. I bought a new electric guitar
and amp and never really warmed up to it at all. I didn't find it
"relaxing" to play to me like acoustic. If you want to try
"Amazing Grace", and "Country Roads (John Denver)", you can be up and
running pretty fast. Anyway, that's what
I started with.

Bill

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On 4/12/2014 10:44 AM, Bill wrote:
Leon wrote:
Bill wrote:
Ok, a bit or research has revealed to me that an acoustical guitar is
not necessarily a classic or steel string guitar. Knowing little about
either as previously stated I assumed that a traditional looking, non
electric guitar, was both classical and acoustical. I assumed that
both came in both nylon and steel string varieties. I now stand
corrected..

Thanks Leon. The only thing I'll add is that since they can be built
lighter, the price of a starter "classical" nylon string guitar
can be less than its corresponding one with steel strings. It just
depends what you want. I bought a new electric guitar
and amp and never really warmed up to it at all. I didn't find it
"relaxing" to play to me like acoustic. If you want to try
"Amazing Grace", and "Country Roads (John Denver)", you can be up and
running pretty fast. Anyway, that's what
I started with.

Bill



I think I would be more inclined with Def Leopard or Twisted Sister
style music. :~0 OMG!

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On Monday, April 7, 2014 5:11:39 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
3 weeks after buying the materials for the sewing desk it is complete

and ready for my wife to clutter up. ;~)



The only thing real fancy is the joinery, which you cannot see, and the

soft close 24" full extension soft close drawer slides.



The desk top is approximately 97" x 30" total. Because of the shorter

8' ceilings and hair pin turn at the top of the stairs I felt it best to

make the top into two sections, split in half front to back. The gap is

hardly noticeable. Two draw latches on the bottom and 5 Domino tenons,

on the mating edges of the tops hold the halves together and in

registration to each other. The front and back apron/bridges are

attached to the end cabinets with 5/16" bolts threaded into eight

threaded inserts on the sides of both cabinets.





Empty



https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/13703016725/





Left View with $5k worth of sewing machines, The one on the left is

simply a HD Viking Husqvarna sewing machine and the one on the right is

a Husqvarna Topaz embroidery machine.



https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/





Right View



https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/

Looks terrific! What kind of wood did you use and what was your finishing technique to get that great consistent look?

Thanks.

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On 4/12/2014 4:56 PM, Michael wrote:


Right View



https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/

Looks terrific! What kind of wood did you use and what was your finishing technique to get that great consistent look?

Thanks.


Thank you.

Poplar for the solid wood and paint grade maple plywood for the panels.
Baltic birch for the drawers.

Green Paint. ;~) Sherwin Williams Pro Classic Oil based on top of the
same brand primer, presanded before primer and after primer then the top
coat. Wooster 4" sash brush for cutting in and for drawer fronts. 4"
foam roller for the wide panels.

http://www.sherwin-williams.com/home...oatings/paint/

and

http://www.sherwin-williams.com/home...tings/primers/

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On 4/12/2014 6:01 PM, Leon wrote:
On 4/12/2014 4:56 PM, Michael wrote:


Right View



https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/

Looks terrific! What kind of wood did you use and what was your
finishing technique to get that great consistent look?

Thanks.


Thank you.

Poplar for the solid wood and paint grade maple plywood for the panels.
Baltic birch for the drawers.

Green Paint. ;~) Sherwin Williams Pro Classic Oil based on top of the
same brand primer, presanded before primer and after primer then the top
coat. Wooster 4" sash brush for cutting in and for drawer fronts. 4"
foam roller for the wide panels.

http://www.sherwin-williams.com/home...oatings/paint/


and

http://www.sherwin-williams.com/home...tings/primers/



Make that a 3" sash brush.

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On 4/12/2014 6:15 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Michael wrote:


Looks terrific! What kind of wood did you use and what was your
finishing technique to get that great consistent look?


Leon always uses OSB with a skim coat of Tightbond II mixed with sawdust for
a filler. He follows that up with nothing less than Home Depot's best latex
paint - rolled on, of course.


LOL, I was just thinking of announcing phase III of the sewing room,
the wall cabinets. OSB of course.

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Michael wrote:


Looks terrific! What kind of wood did you use and what was your
finishing technique to get that great consistent look?


Leon always uses OSB with a skim coat of Tightbond II mixed with sawdust for
a filler. He follows that up with nothing less than Home Depot's best latex
paint - rolled on, of course.

--

-Mike-

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Leon wrote:
On 4/12/2014 6:15 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Michael wrote:


Looks terrific! What kind of wood did you use and what was your
finishing technique to get that great consistent look?


Leon always uses OSB with a skim coat of Tightbond II mixed with
sawdust for a filler. He follows that up with nothing less than
Home Depot's best latex paint - rolled on, of course.


LOL, I was just thinking of announcing phase III of the sewing room,
the wall cabinets. OSB of course.

And of course, you're planning on covering over that ugly sheetrock with a
durable OSB, filled and flattened as well - right?

--

-Mike-

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On 4/12/14, 6:01 PM, Leon wrote:
On 4/12/2014 4:56 PM, Michael wrote:


Right View



https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/

Looks terrific! What kind of wood did you use and what was your
finishing technique to get that great consistent look?

Thanks.


Thank you.

Poplar for the solid wood and paint grade maple plywood for the panels.
Baltic birch for the drawers.

Green Paint. ;~) Sherwin Williams Pro Classic Oil based on top of the
same brand primer, presanded before primer and after primer then the top
coat. Wooster 4" sash brush for cutting in and for drawer fronts. 4"
foam roller for the wide panels.

http://www.sherwin-williams.com/home...oatings/paint/


That's what I use on built-ins. Probably from your recommendation at
one time. :-)


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

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On Saturday, April 12, 2014 6:01:56 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 4/12/2014 4:56 PM, Michael wrote:





Right View







https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/



Looks terrific! What kind of wood did you use and what was your finishing technique to get that great consistent look?



Thanks.





Thank you.



Poplar for the solid wood and paint grade maple plywood for the panels.

Baltic birch for the drawers.



Green Paint. ;~) Sherwin Williams Pro Classic Oil based on top of the

same brand primer, presanded before primer and after primer then the top

coat. Wooster 4" sash brush for cutting in and for drawer fronts. 4"

foam roller for the wide panels.



http://www.sherwin-williams.com/home...oatings/paint/



and



http://www.sherwin-williams.com/home...tings/primers/

Thanks, Leon! I'll give it a try.