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Sub freezing temps and shop supplies
I have a shop and a paint room that I don't usually keep under climate
control other than being attached to the house. So, what to bring in, and what to leave out? So far, I've brought in all the latex paints, and glues, and left out pretty much everything else. The anticipated low looks to be around 5F. I have the usual collection of odd products, is there something in there that may need to be brought in? |
Sub freezing temps and shop supplies
On 1/5/2014 10:26 AM, j wrote:
I have a shop and a paint room that I don't usually keep under climate control other than being attached to the house. So, what to bring in, and what to leave out? So far, I've brought in all the latex paints, and glues, and left out pretty much everything else. The anticipated low looks to be around 5F. I have the usual collection of odd products, is there something in there that may need to be brought in? I don't know, I can't see from here... :) If it's not water-based, probably ok. -- |
Sub freezing temps and shop supplies
On 1/5/2014 12:29 PM, dpb wrote:
On 1/5/2014 10:26 AM, j wrote: I have a shop and a paint room that I don't usually keep under climate control other than being attached to the house. So, what to bring in, and what to leave out? So far, I've brought in all the latex paints, and glues, and left out pretty much everything else. The anticipated low looks to be around 5F. I have the usual collection of odd products, is there something in there that may need to be brought in? I don't know, I can't see from here... :) If it's not water-based, probably ok. -- You may have problems with some waxes and like formulations. If the are emulsions, low temperatures may cause them to separate. Some solvents never seem to be the same if they are exposed to low temperatures |
Sub freezing temps and shop supplies
On Sun, 05 Jan 2014 11:26:57 -0500, j wrote:
I have a shop and a paint room that I don't usually keep under climate control other than being attached to the house. My shop just spent its first winter in an attached garage after we moved. So far the temperature has never gotten below freezing, even though the outdoor temperatures have been down to the single digits. Put a thermometer in your shop and check it every morning - you might not have to worry. In my old detached shop I brought in anything water based and all the spray cans. |
Sub freezing temps and shop supplies
On 1/5/2014 11:26 AM, j wrote:
I have a shop and a paint room that I don't usually keep under climate control other than being attached to the house. So, what to bring in, and what to leave out? So far, I've brought in all the latex paints, and glues, and left out pretty much everything else. The anticipated low looks to be around 5F. I have the usual collection of odd products, is there something in there that may need to be brought in? I bring in anything liquid or paste like epoxy. I have left out spray lubricants but never tried using them when below freezing |
Sub freezing temps and shop supplies
On Sun, 05 Jan 2014 11:26:57 -0500, j wrote:
I have a shop and a paint room that I don't usually keep under climate control other than being attached to the house. So, what to bring in, and what to leave out? So far, I've brought in all the latex paints, and glues, and left out pretty much everything else. The anticipated low looks to be around 5F. I have the usual collection of odd products, is there something in there that may need to be brought in? ANYTHING water based, bring it in. Anything else you value and have room for - bring it in. Lubricants (oils) and pure solvents are not a problem. Any emulsion and many mixes can be. Rather safe than sorry. Don't leave resins where they can freeze. |
Sub freezing temps and shop supplies
Not directly related to shop supplies but possbly of interest; I recently
discovered that leaving a laptop in a car overnight exposed to single-digit F temperatures, it would not boot when brought inside until it had warmed up about 20 minutes or so. -- Better to be stuck up in a tree than tied to one. Larry W. - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar.org |
Sub freezing temps and shop supplies
On 1/5/2014 9:16 PM, Larry W wrote:
Not directly related to shop supplies but possbly of interest; I recently discovered that leaving a laptop in a car overnight exposed to single-digit F temperatures, it would not boot when brought inside until it had warmed up about 20 minutes or so. I just check the specification for my Toshiba C55-A5204 Operating Non-operating Temperature 5° to 35° C -20° to 60° C Thermal Gradient 15° C per hour (max) 20° C per hour (max) Relative Humidity 20% to 90% 10% to 95% (non-condensing) Altitude 0 to 10,000 meters 0 to 40,000 meters (relative to sea level) It is something we do not think about when we think about cold temperatures |
Sub freezing temps and shop supplies
On Sun, 05 Jan 2014 21:36:07 -0500, Keith Nuttle
wrote: On 1/5/2014 9:16 PM, Larry W wrote: Not directly related to shop supplies but possbly of interest; I recently discovered that leaving a laptop in a car overnight exposed to single-digit F temperatures, it would not boot when brought inside until it had warmed up about 20 minutes or so. I just check the specification for my Toshiba C55-A5204 Operating Non-operating Temperature 5° to 35° C -20° to 60° C Thermal Gradient 15° C per hour (max) 20° C per hour (max) Relative Humidity 20% to 90% 10% to 95% (non-condensing) Altitude 0 to 10,000 meters 0 to 40,000 meters (relative to sea level) It is something we do not think about when we think about cold temperatures TOO cold can permanenty damage some LCD screens. |
Sub freezing temps and shop supplies
"j" wrote: I have a shop and a paint room that I don't usually keep under climate control other than being attached to the house. So, what to bring in, and what to leave out? So far, I've brought in all the latex paints, and glues, and left out pretty much everything else. The anticipated low looks to be around 5F. I have the usual collection of odd products, is there something in there that may need to be brought in? ----------------------------------------------------------- Anything liquid except gasoline. BTDT, don't want to see the movie again. BTW, it's -9F in Cleveland and 79F outside my window as this is written. Stay warm people. Lew |
Sub freezing temps and shop supplies
Lew Hodgett wrote:
"j" wrote: I have a shop and a paint room that I don't usually keep under climate control other than being attached to the house. So, what to bring in, and what to leave out? So far, I've brought in all the latex paints, and glues, and left out pretty much everything else. The anticipated low looks to be around 5F. I have the usual collection of odd products, is there something in there that may need to be brought in? ----------------------------------------------------------- Anything liquid except gasoline. BTDT, don't want to see the movie again. BTW, it's -9F in Cleveland and 79F outside my window as this is written. It's -9F here in Indianapolis too. -30F wind chill, but I'll be staying put. Most schools around are closed today and tomorrow. Stay warm people. Lew |
Sub freezing temps and shop supplies
On 1/6/2014 8:54 PM, Bill wrote:
Lew Hodgett wrote: "j" wrote: I have a shop and a paint room that I don't usually keep under climate control other than being attached to the house. So, what to bring in, and what to leave out? So far, I've brought in all the latex paints, and glues, and left out pretty much everything else. The anticipated low looks to be around 5F. I have the usual collection of odd products, is there something in there that may need to be brought in? ----------------------------------------------------------- Anything liquid except gasoline. BTDT, don't want to see the movie again. BTW, it's -9F in Cleveland and 79F outside my window as this is written. It's -9F here in Indianapolis too. -30F wind chill, but I'll be staying put. Most schools around are closed today and tomorrow. Stay warm people. Lew Brrr.. just went to take the garbage and recycling out. Wind is howling about 25 mph right now..... we're a balmy 7f here, so I can't complain. Almost took another fall on the ice, the other day my dog and I fell off the steps in the back I could see some of the ice, but where I stepped looked dry... the look on his face.., I am sure he said the look on my face too.. as we both slid down looking at each other. I think it hurt me more than him. -- Jeff |
Sub freezing temps and shop supplies
woodchucker wrote:
Almost took another fall on the ice, the other day my dog and I fell off the steps in the back I could see some of the ice, but where I stepped looked dry... the look on his face.., I am sure he said the look on my face too.. as we both slid down looking at each other. I think it hurt me more than him. Took a similar dive on my keester just today as I walked around the plow on my truck. Nothing spectacular - just one of those oh **** moments where it just happens and there you are on your butt. More annoying than anything else. Fortunately, I had no witnesses to mock me... -- -Mike- |
Sub freezing temps and shop supplies
On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 21:44:40 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
wrote: Bill wrote: Lew Hodgett wrote: "j" wrote: I have a shop and a paint room that I don't usually keep under climate control other than being attached to the house. So, what to bring in, and what to leave out? So far, I've brought in all the latex paints, and glues, and left out pretty much everything else. The anticipated low looks to be around 5F. I have the usual collection of odd products, is there something in there that may need to be brought in? ----------------------------------------------------------- Anything liquid except gasoline. BTDT, don't want to see the movie again. BTW, it's -9F in Cleveland and 79F outside my window as this is written. It's -9F here in Indianapolis too. -30F wind chill, but I'll be staying put. Most schools around are closed today and tomorrow. I don't get that. We've had those kinds of temperatures all throughout the snow belt forever, and we never had to close schools because it was too cold. Yes - it's cold for sure, but come on... The soft southerners would freeze to death on the way to school bundled up in a jacket and ball-cap. |
Sub freezing temps and shop supplies
On 1/6/2014 9:44 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Bill wrote: Lew Hodgett wrote: "j" wrote: I have a shop and a paint room that I don't usually keep under climate control other than being attached to the house. So, what to bring in, and what to leave out? So far, I've brought in all the latex paints, and glues, and left out pretty much everything else. The anticipated low looks to be around 5F. I have the usual collection of odd products, is there something in there that may need to be brought in? ----------------------------------------------------------- Anything liquid except gasoline. BTDT, don't want to see the movie again. BTW, it's -9F in Cleveland and 79F outside my window as this is written. It's -9F here in Indianapolis too. -30F wind chill, but I'll be staying put. Most schools around are closed today and tomorrow. I don't get that. We've had those kinds of temperatures all throughout the snow belt forever, and we never had to close schools because it was too cold. Yes - it's cold for sure, but come on... That's part of that nanny state we live in now. But on the other hand, half these kids today don't dress for the cold..... it's not cool. So they come out in tshirts, sandals, belly showing on the girls... Many don't come to school with coats... I would watch half these kids waiting for the bus on freezing days with nothing on.. It doesn't make sense... Where are the parents to hit these kids on the side of the head and tell them to get smart... stop being an idiot. -- Jeff |
Sub freezing temps and shop supplies
Bill wrote: It's -9F here in Indianapolis too. -30F wind chill, but I'll be staying put. Most schools around are closed today and tomorrow. -------------------------------------------------------- "Mike Marlow" wrote: I don't get that. We've had those kinds of temperatures all throughout the snow belt forever, and we never had to close schools because it was too cold. Yes - it's cold for sure, but come on... ----------------------------------------------------- Think about it. I'm sure you will figure it out. Lew |
Sub freezing temps and shop supplies
"Mike Marlow" wrote in
: Bill wrote: It's -9F here in Indianapolis too. -30F wind chill, but I'll be staying put. Most schools around are closed today and tomorrow. I don't get that. We've had those kinds of temperatures all throughout the snow belt forever, and we never had to close schools because it was too cold. Yes - it's cold for sure, but come on... It's not the cold but probably the wind and blowing snow. Clearing our drive wasn't too bad, but as soon as I got to the neighbor's the wind and blowing snow made things uncomfortable and possibly dangerous quickly. Tonight, I spent an hour and a half clearing the ice rink in -8F temperatures. The wind has died down quite a bit, so it's much more comfortable out there. Puckdropper -- Make it to fit, don't make it fit. |
Sub freezing temps and shop supplies
woodchucker wrote:
That's part of that nanny state we live in now. But on the other hand, half these kids today don't dress for the cold..... it's not cool. So they come out in tshirts, sandals, belly showing on the girls... Many don't come to school with coats... I would watch half these kids waiting for the bus on freezing days with nothing on.. It doesn't make sense... Where are the parents to hit these kids on the side of the head and tell them to get smart... stop being an idiot. Kids haven't had parents in years - or maybe decades. They have "friends" that don't want to hurt their feeings. Or something like that... -- -Mike- |
Sub freezing temps and shop supplies
Lew Hodgett wrote:
Bill wrote: It's -9F here in Indianapolis too. -30F wind chill, but I'll be staying put. Most schools around are closed today and tomorrow. -------------------------------------------------------- "Mike Marlow" wrote: I don't get that. We've had those kinds of temperatures all throughout the snow belt forever, and we never had to close schools because it was too cold. Yes - it's cold for sure, but come on... ----------------------------------------------------- Think about it. I'm sure you will figure it out. Started a reply and decided it was not worth it. -- -Mike- |
Sub freezing temps and shop supplies
On 1/6/2014 8:54 PM, Bill wrote:
Lew Hodgett wrote: "j" wrote: I have a shop and a paint room that I don't usually keep under climate control other than being attached to the house. So, what to bring in, and what to leave out? So far, I've brought in all the latex paints, and glues, and left out pretty much everything else. The anticipated low looks to be around 5F. I have the usual collection of odd products, is there something in there that may need to be brought in? ----------------------------------------------------------- Anything liquid except gasoline. BTDT, don't want to see the movie again. BTW, it's -9F in Cleveland and 79F outside my window as this is written. It's -9F here in Indianapolis too. -30F wind chill, but I'll be staying put. Most schools around are closed today and tomorrow. It's currently 9F here in Atlanta. Howling wind. Mixed closings. A few years ago, the threat of snow closed the city 3 days in a row, no snow ever fell. With that said,I'm at least looking forward to a sunny day tomorrow, something that has been in short supply. Much construction in the old south was not built with cold weather in mind. If you have no insulation in the walls, piling it up in the attic won't help much. Jeff Stay warm people. Lew |
Sub freezing temps and shop supplies
j wrote:
On 1/6/2014 8:54 PM, Bill wrote: Lew Hodgett wrote: "j" wrote: I have a shop and a paint room that I don't usually keep under climate control other than being attached to the house. So, what to bring in, and what to leave out? So far, I've brought in all the latex paints, and glues, and left out pretty much everything else. The anticipated low looks to be around 5F. I have the usual collection of odd products, is there something in there that may need to be brought in? ----------------------------------------------------------- Anything liquid except gasoline. BTDT, don't want to see the movie again. BTW, it's -9F in Cleveland and 79F outside my window as this is written. It's -9F here in Indianapolis too. -30F wind chill, but I'll be staying put. Most schools around are closed today and tomorrow. It's currently 9F here in Atlanta. Howling wind. Mixed closings. A few years ago, the threat of snow closed the city 3 days in a row, no snow ever fell. With that said,I'm at least looking forward to a sunny day tomorrow, something that has been in short supply. Much construction in the old south was not built with cold weather in mind. If you have no insulation in the walls, piling it up in the attic won't help much. Below zero and windy in Syracuse too. It's been single digits for around a week or so now - made the one day that the temps reached 27F seem quite warm. -- -Mike- |
Sub freezing temps and shop supplies
On 1/6/2014 11:35 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
woodchucker wrote: That's part of that nanny state we live in now. But on the other hand, half these kids today don't dress for the cold..... it's not cool. So they come out in tshirts, sandals, belly showing on the girls... Many don't come to school with coats... I would watch half these kids waiting for the bus on freezing days with nothing on.. It doesn't make sense... Where are the parents to hit these kids on the side of the head and tell them to get smart... stop being an idiot. Kids haven't had parents in years - or maybe decades. They have "friends" that don't want to hurt their feeings. Or something like that... If a parent disciplined a child, the government would be taking the children away saying the parents were abusing their children |
Sub freezing temps and shop supplies
On 1/7/2014 4:25 AM, j wrote:
On 1/6/2014 8:54 PM, Bill wrote: Lew Hodgett wrote: "j" wrote: I have a shop and a paint room that I don't usually keep under climate control other than being attached to the house. So, what to bring in, and what to leave out? So far, I've brought in all the latex paints, and glues, and left out pretty much everything else. The anticipated low looks to be around 5F. I have the usual collection of odd products, is there something in there that may need to be brought in? ----------------------------------------------------------- Anything liquid except gasoline. BTDT, don't want to see the movie again. BTW, it's -9F in Cleveland and 79F outside my window as this is written. It's -9F here in Indianapolis too. -30F wind chill, but I'll be staying put. Most schools around are closed today and tomorrow. It's currently 9F here in Atlanta. Howling wind. Mixed closings. A few years ago, the threat of snow closed the city 3 days in a row, no snow ever fell. With that said,I'm at least looking forward to a sunny day tomorrow, something that has been in short supply. Much construction in the old south was not built with cold weather in mind. If you have no insulation in the walls, piling it up in the attic won't help much. Jeff Stay warm people. Lew No insulation in the walls must be old construction.. even down south insulation is added to keep it cool in the heat. insulation in the attic is to keep the heat from the roof from getting into the house. The attic cooks... -- Jeff |
Sub freezing temps and shop supplies
On 1/7/2014 7:54 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 1/6/2014 11:35 PM, Mike Marlow wrote: woodchucker wrote: That's part of that nanny state we live in now. But on the other hand, half these kids today don't dress for the cold..... it's not cool. So they come out in tshirts, sandals, belly showing on the girls... Many don't come to school with coats... I would watch half these kids waiting for the bus on freezing days with nothing on.. It doesn't make sense... Where are the parents to hit these kids on the side of the head and tell them to get smart... stop being an idiot. Kids haven't had parents in years - or maybe decades. They have "friends" that don't want to hurt their feeings. Or something like that... If a parent disciplined a child, the government would be taking the children away saying the parents were abusing their children true.. We have all the so called experts... I'm sure half the kids of parents that are some sort of psych are messed up beyond belief. -- Jeff |
Sub freezing temps and shop supplies
On 1/6/2014 11:35 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Kids haven't had parents in years - or maybe decades. They have "friends" that don't want to hurt their feelings. Or something like that... Hey, don't talk like that. It's not good for their self esteem. You should apologize and give them a trophy for getting out of bed this morning. |
Sub freezing temps and shop supplies
On 1/7/2014 10:17 AM, woodchucker wrote:
On 1/7/2014 4:25 AM, j wrote: On 1/6/2014 8:54 PM, Bill wrote: Lew Hodgett wrote: "j" wrote: I have a shop and a paint room that I don't usually keep under climate control other than being attached to the house. So, what to bring in, and what to leave out? So far, I've brought in all the latex paints, and glues, and left out pretty much everything else. The anticipated low looks to be around 5F. I have the usual collection of odd products, is there something in there that may need to be brought in? ----------------------------------------------------------- Anything liquid except gasoline. BTDT, don't want to see the movie again. BTW, it's -9F in Cleveland and 79F outside my window as this is written. It's -9F here in Indianapolis too. -30F wind chill, but I'll be staying put. Most schools around are closed today and tomorrow. It's currently 9F here in Atlanta. Howling wind. Mixed closings. A few years ago, the threat of snow closed the city 3 days in a row, no snow ever fell. With that said,I'm at least looking forward to a sunny day tomorrow, something that has been in short supply. Much construction in the old south was not built with cold weather in mind. If you have no insulation in the walls, piling it up in the attic won't help much. Jeff Stay warm people. Lew No insulation in the walls must be old construction.. even down south insulation is added to keep it cool in the heat. I think fiberglass, which was invented in '38, was the first practical cavity insulation. Before that, usually wall insulation depended on some fibre board and whatever R value the siding and cavity had. R3 was lucky. At least the houses I've seen here that date from even the 60's and 70's have nothing but sheet insulation under the siding. We are a few decades behind the north in insulation, not so with AC. Housing here is either mostly old poorly insulated houses (unless retro fitted). Or late model condos and apartments, which are tight, but not for people who do things like woodworking. Or they are McMansions (or Mansions) which are so big and bloated as to be energy hogs. It's taken me a while to tighten up my '29 home. Almost there... Jeff insulation in the attic is to keep the heat from the roof from getting into the house. The attic cooks... |
Sub freezing temps and shop supplies
In article ,
Mike Marlow wrote: woodchucker wrote: Almost took another fall on the ice, the other day my dog and I fell off the steps in the back I could see some of the ice, but where I stepped looked dry... the look on his face.., I am sure he said the look on my face too.. as we both slid down looking at each other. I think it hurt me more than him. Took a similar dive on my keester just today as I walked around the plow on my truck. Nothing spectacular - just one of those oh **** moments where it just happens and there you are on your butt. More annoying than anything else. Fortunately, I had no witnesses to mock me... I remember falling on the ice while carrying a TV set, fortunately it was way back in my younger days when I could more easily react to a situation like that. I was able to sort of fall straight down onto my ass and put the television on my lap to keep it from being damaged. Then I slid on my butt, with the TC on my lap, down the somewhat inclined sidewalk about 20 yards or so. The young lady I was helping saw the whole thing and she was laughing her head off. -- There is always an easy solution to every human problem -- neat, plausible, and wrong." (H L Mencken) Larry W. - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org |
Sub freezing temps and shop supplies
Just south of Atlanta..it was so cold here it was 12 at midnight. tired old joke. Am seeing a new house go up and the insulation work is pretty interesting. Single level home on a 3 ft crawlspace. Spray foam on the walls of the crawlspace, plastic over the dirt, nothing underneath the flooring. Inside walls and inside of roof all sprayed, all wiring, plumbing holes in floor and wall foamed. Insulation guy says they don't need insulation over the ceiling and under the floor because any outside temp change is accounted for underneath the roof and on the walls of the crawlspace. I guess time will tell but that is a long way from fiberglass or rockwool in the attic and under the floor. I know it is a lot more expensive initially but supposed to recoup through lower energy bills.
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Sub freezing temps and shop supplies
On Sun, 05 Jan 2014 21:36:07 -0500, Keith Nuttle
wrote: On 1/5/2014 9:16 PM, Larry W wrote: Not directly related to shop supplies but possbly of interest; I recently discovered that leaving a laptop in a car overnight exposed to single-digit F temperatures, it would not boot when brought inside until it had warmed up about 20 minutes or so. I just check the specification for my Toshiba C55-A5204 Operating Non-operating Temperature 5° to 35° C -20° to 60° C Thermal Gradient 15° C per hour (max) 20° C per hour (max) Relative Humidity 20% to 90% 10% to 95% (non-condensing) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That is key. If you bring it inside when it's extremely cold, leave it in its case for some time so it doesn't take a bath. Altitude 0 to 10,000 meters 0 to 40,000 meters (relative to sea level) It is something we do not think about when we think about cold temperatures |
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