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On 12/14/2013 12:23 AM, Leon wrote:
On 12/13/2013 5:15 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote: On 12/13/2013 4:49 PM, Leon wrote: On 12/13/2013 2:08 PM, Bill wrote: Leon wrote: On 12/13/2013 12:31 PM, Bill wrote: Man.... http://lumberjocks.com/topics/55735 Fortunately no one was hurt. The punch line is an absolutely pun though. He should have had a ____ Stop! I will have to say he was pretty foolish and that was simply going to happen sooner or later. I'm confused, their practice is to leave it in gear and the last person that used it left it in gear. I think the original post had a typo. His practice was to leave it out of gear. I think so too. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt. Leaving it out of gear and not setting the break compounds the likelihood of an accident happening at any moment with out the motor running. I frequently leave my car with a standard transmission out of gear in my garage. My garage is small and it is tight around the car. By leaving it out of gear, if I want in the trunk I can push the car a little ahead to make more room behind the car. If I am doing something in the front of the garage I can push it back. If I get up in the morning and the car will not start, I push it out of the garage, jump in before it is going to fast, and as it is rolling back into the street, you can pop the clutch and start the motor. I will let someone else explain "popping the clutch" Popping the clutch, who would not know what that is. But still do you leave yur vehicle outside in neutral? Usually not as I am not space limited out of doors. In our area when parking in most places I set the emergency brake. I mentioned explaining "popping the clutch", as one of the joys of taking the car for service is to watch the young serviceman get in the car and have no idea of what to do with the gear shift. |
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On 12/14/2013 8:10 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 12/14/2013 12:23 AM, Leon wrote: On 12/13/2013 5:15 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote: On 12/13/2013 4:49 PM, Leon wrote: On 12/13/2013 2:08 PM, Bill wrote: Leon wrote: On 12/13/2013 12:31 PM, Bill wrote: Man.... http://lumberjocks.com/topics/55735 Fortunately no one was hurt. The punch line is an absolutely pun though. He should have had a ____ Stop! I will have to say he was pretty foolish and that was simply going to happen sooner or later. I'm confused, their practice is to leave it in gear and the last person that used it left it in gear. I think the original post had a typo. His practice was to leave it out of gear. I think so too. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt. Leaving it out of gear and not setting the break compounds the likelihood of an accident happening at any moment with out the motor running. I frequently leave my car with a standard transmission out of gear in my garage. My garage is small and it is tight around the car. By leaving it out of gear, if I want in the trunk I can push the car a little ahead to make more room behind the car. If I am doing something in the front of the garage I can push it back. If I get up in the morning and the car will not start, I push it out of the garage, jump in before it is going to fast, and as it is rolling back into the street, you can pop the clutch and start the motor. I will let someone else explain "popping the clutch" Popping the clutch, who would not know what that is. But still do you leave yur vehicle outside in neutral? Usually not as I am not space limited out of doors. In our area when parking in most places I set the emergency brake. Several years back my BIL's oldest daughter drove into the the local gas station to fill up. She left the vehicle in neutral, got out, and began filling the tank. The filler tube was behind the rear license plate. The vehicle in front of her, a large truck, backed up and hit her vehicle. This knocked her down and while she was trying to get back up was crushed between her vehicle and the one behind her. She did not survive. Like a TS and most WW equipment you can't be too careful. The unexpected gets you. I mentioned explaining "popping the clutch", as one of the joys of taking the car for service is to watch the young serviceman get in the car and have no idea of what to do with the gear shift. When I was the service sales manager at the Olds dealership in down town Houston, early 80's, I was talking to the service manager at the Cadillac dealer a couple of blocks away. He was mentioning a similar problems with his porters that parked the customers vehicles. IIRC Cadillac came out with a new model, IIRC the "N" body Cimmeron. Basically an Olds Calais. Oddly Cadillac offered that vehicle with standard shift transmission. The porters could not figure that out. |
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Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 12/13/2013 7:06 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote: "Puckdropper" wrote: If you usually leave it out of gear, wouldn't you set the parking brake? A good push is all it takes to set a vehicle rolling. -------------------------------------------- Those who use emergency brakes don't live in the "Rust Belt" unless a lot of things have changed. Spend the time to release a frozen emergency brake cable once and you will never do it again. Use your parking brake as you should and lubricate as indicated the rust will not develop badly enough to lock things up. Rust is not necessary. In cold and we weather, the cable can literally freeze, i.e water infiltrates the cable housing far enought so that when it turns to ice the cable sticks. Working in fleet vehicle maintenance for the last 35 years I have seen it happen many of times. All our road call techs and garagemen carry propane torches this time of year. BTW, always leave them in the cab of the truck. If they're stowed in an unheated area they may not work too well til they warm up. Try driving your car through a puddle a few times then parking it overnight in freezing weather with the parking brake set hard. While a particular car may or may not have the brake freeze, the odds are that some will under these conditions. -- When the game is over, the pawn and the king are returned to the same box. Larry W. - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar.org |
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On 12/14/2013 9:55 AM, Larry W wrote:
In article , Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 12/13/2013 7:06 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote: "Puckdropper" wrote: If you usually leave it out of gear, wouldn't you set the parking brake? A good push is all it takes to set a vehicle rolling. -------------------------------------------- Those who use emergency brakes don't live in the "Rust Belt" unless a lot of things have changed. Spend the time to release a frozen emergency brake cable once and you will never do it again. Use your parking brake as you should and lubricate as indicated the rust will not develop badly enough to lock things up. Rust is not necessary. In cold and we weather, the cable can literally freeze, i.e water infiltrates the cable housing far enought so that when it turns to ice the cable sticks. Working in fleet vehicle maintenance for the last 35 years I have seen it happen many of times. I can see that being an issue but certainly not the rust if you exercise the cables regularity. All our road call techs and garagemen carry propane torches this time of year. BTW, always leave them in the cab of the truck. If they're stowed in an unheated area they may not work too well til they warm up. Try driving your car through a puddle a few times then parking it overnight in freezing weather with the parking brake set hard. While a particular car may or may not have the brake freeze, the odds are that some will under these conditions. And in those occasions, you leave the vehicle in gear or Park when you park it. Not taking some measure to prevent the vehicle from moving is laziness. |
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On 12/14/2013 11:15 AM, Leon wrote:
On 12/14/2013 9:55 AM, Larry W wrote: In article , Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 12/13/2013 7:06 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote: "Puckdropper" wrote: If you usually leave it out of gear, wouldn't you set the parking brake? A good push is all it takes to set a vehicle rolling. -------------------------------------------- Those who use emergency brakes don't live in the "Rust Belt" unless a lot of things have changed. Spend the time to release a frozen emergency brake cable once and you will never do it again. Use your parking brake as you should and lubricate as indicated the rust will not develop badly enough to lock things up. Rust is not necessary. In cold and we weather, the cable can literally freeze, i.e water infiltrates the cable housing far enought so that when it turns to ice the cable sticks. Working in fleet vehicle maintenance for the last 35 years I have seen it happen many of times. I can see that being an issue but certainly not the rust if you exercise the cables regularity. All our road call techs and garagemen carry propane torches this time of year. BTW, always leave them in the cab of the truck. If they're stowed in an unheated area they may not work too well til they warm up. Try driving your car through a puddle a few times then parking it overnight in freezing weather with the parking brake set hard. While a particular car may or may not have the brake freeze, the odds are that some will under these conditions. And in those occasions, you leave the vehicle in gear or Park when you park it. Not taking some measure to prevent the vehicle from moving is laziness. I remember one winter I had to go to a meeting in the evening. It was zero that night. The brake did not freeze but the oil in the standard transmission became so stiff that I could not shift until I let he car run for a while to warm the transmission. |
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On 12/14/2013 10:29 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 12/14/2013 11:15 AM, Leon wrote: On 12/14/2013 9:55 AM, Larry W wrote: In article , Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 12/13/2013 7:06 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote: "Puckdropper" wrote: If you usually leave it out of gear, wouldn't you set the parking brake? A good push is all it takes to set a vehicle rolling. -------------------------------------------- Those who use emergency brakes don't live in the "Rust Belt" unless a lot of things have changed. Spend the time to release a frozen emergency brake cable once and you will never do it again. Use your parking brake as you should and lubricate as indicated the rust will not develop badly enough to lock things up. Rust is not necessary. In cold and we weather, the cable can literally freeze, i.e water infiltrates the cable housing far enought so that when it turns to ice the cable sticks. Working in fleet vehicle maintenance for the last 35 years I have seen it happen many of times. I can see that being an issue but certainly not the rust if you exercise the cables regularity. All our road call techs and garagemen carry propane torches this time of year. BTW, always leave them in the cab of the truck. If they're stowed in an unheated area they may not work too well til they warm up. Try driving your car through a puddle a few times then parking it overnight in freezing weather with the parking brake set hard. While a particular car may or may not have the brake freeze, the odds are that some will under these conditions. And in those occasions, you leave the vehicle in gear or Park when you park it. Not taking some measure to prevent the vehicle from moving is laziness. I remember one winter I had to go to a meeting in the evening. It was zero that night. The brake did not freeze but the oil in the standard transmission became so stiff that I could not shift until I let he car run for a while to warm the transmission. Oh heck yeah! Back in the late 80's, before the global warming fad, Houston used to get pretty cold. I recall similar situations with my 87 Isuzu Trooper. The temperature was "7" degrees F and that thing was a beast to drive when it got cold. |
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On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 23:14:17 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote: I wrote: Spend the time to release a frozen emergency brake cable once and you will never do it again. ----------------------------------------------------------- "Leon" wrote: Use your parking brake as you should and lubricate as indicated the rust will not develop badly enough to lock things up. --------------------------------------------------------- Spend a couple of years driving in the Rust Belt and get back to me. Road salt eats a vehicle alive. Yep. I had to replace my 2001 Ranger this year, even though it hadn't been in salt country for five years. The rear frame was so rotted out there wasn't anything left for the leaf springs to attach to. It got upgraded to a '14 F150. ;-) |
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On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 10:32:37 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 12/14/2013 10:29 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote: On 12/14/2013 11:15 AM, Leon wrote: On 12/14/2013 9:55 AM, Larry W wrote: In article , Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 12/13/2013 7:06 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote: "Puckdropper" wrote: If you usually leave it out of gear, wouldn't you set the parking brake? A good push is all it takes to set a vehicle rolling. -------------------------------------------- Those who use emergency brakes don't live in the "Rust Belt" unless a lot of things have changed. Spend the time to release a frozen emergency brake cable once and you will never do it again. Use your parking brake as you should and lubricate as indicated the rust will not develop badly enough to lock things up. Rust is not necessary. In cold and we weather, the cable can literally freeze, i.e water infiltrates the cable housing far enought so that when it turns to ice the cable sticks. Working in fleet vehicle maintenance for the last 35 years I have seen it happen many of times. I can see that being an issue but certainly not the rust if you exercise the cables regularity. All our road call techs and garagemen carry propane torches this time of year. BTW, always leave them in the cab of the truck. If they're stowed in an unheated area they may not work too well til they warm up. Try driving your car through a puddle a few times then parking it overnight in freezing weather with the parking brake set hard. While a particular car may or may not have the brake freeze, the odds are that some will under these conditions. And in those occasions, you leave the vehicle in gear or Park when you park it. Not taking some measure to prevent the vehicle from moving is laziness. I remember one winter I had to go to a meeting in the evening. It was zero that night. The brake did not freeze but the oil in the standard transmission became so stiff that I could not shift until I let he car run for a while to warm the transmission. Oh heck yeah! Back in the late 80's, before the global warming fad, Houston used to get pretty cold. I recall similar situations with my 87 Isuzu Trooper. The temperature was "7" degrees F and that thing was a beast to drive when it got cold. Try 40F colder than that. ;-) |
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On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 22:48:28 -0500, Bill
wrote: wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 13:31:34 -0500, Bill wrote: Man.... http://lumberjocks.com/topics/55735 Fortunately no one was hurt. The punch line is an absolutely horrible pun though. He should have had a ____ Stop! A truck stop? What else? I thought it was sort of funny when I first thought of it. But I'd probably think Tesla was funny. What's a Tesla Stop? ;-) |
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On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 22:48:28 -0500, Bill wrote: wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 13:31:34 -0500, Bill wrote: Man.... http://lumberjocks.com/topics/55735 Fortunately no one was hurt. The punch line is an absolutely horrible pun though. He should have had a ____ Stop! A truck stop? What else? I thought it was sort of funny when I first thought of it. But I'd probably think Tesla was funny. What's a Tesla Stop? ;-) I see you're not that funny either... ;) Didn't you notice the man was sort-of driving an FMC 150? I'd love to hear what the insurance company has to say. It's seems they could pay off his claim and then sue him (for operating a vehicle negligently). |
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Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 12/14/2013 9:55 AM, Larry W wrote: ...snipped... Rust is not necessary. In cold and we weather, the cable can literally freeze, i.e water infiltrates the cable housing far enought so that when it turns to ice the cable sticks. Working in fleet vehicle maintenance for the last 35 years I have seen it happen many of times. I can see that being an issue but certainly not the rust if you exercise the cables regularity. All our road call techs and garagemen carry propane torches this time of year. BTW, always leave them in the cab of the truck. If they're stowed in an unheated area they may not work too well til they warm up. Try driving your car through a puddle a few times then parking it overnight in freezing weather with the parking brake set hard. While a particular car may or may not have the brake freeze, the odds are that some will under these conditions. And in those occasions, you leave the vehicle in gear or Park when you park it. Not taking some measure to prevent the vehicle from moving is laziness. Could be laziness, could be ignorance, could be people in a hurry and just forget, could even be intentional if the driver is less than honest about his employment and thinks he can finagle some overtime out of such a situation. My shops take care of 3000 vehicles spread out over almost the whole state. I know better than to say "I've seen it all" or that nothing will surprise me any more. Someone's always got a reason or explanation you've never heard before. -- When the game is over, the pawn and the king are returned to the same box. Larry W. - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar.org |
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Keith Nuttle wrote:
I mentioned explaining "popping the clutch", as one of the joys of taking the car for service is to watch the young serviceman get in the car and have no idea of what to do with the gear shift. When my youngest daughter was living in Dallas while going to school, she had a job for a while, parking cars that The Joule. Very upscale place, if you don't already know. She drives a standard herself and as it turned out she was the only one, or one of a very few valets that knew how to drive a standard. So - she got to park a lot of very cool cars. The parking garage was 3 blocks from the hotel and she got to wheel Mazzerattis, Porches, Lamborghinis, and a ton of other very cool cars. Some seriously big money frequents Charlie Palmer's which is the restaurant in The Joule. One night the Dallas Cowboys held a birthday party there for one of the members of the team. The whole team was there with their dates, cameras all over the place, big time event. Megan worked for something like 14 hours. The valets had to run to or from the parking garage when they went for, or parked a car, and they had to look crisp in black dress trousers and white shirts. In Dallas. Well - she did it just as she was supposed to. The million dollar players ponied up at the end of the night when they got their cars delivered back to them and she earned... get this all you Dallas fans... are you ready... sit down... nine stinkin' bucks in tips. (I may have the numbers backwards - it may have been nine hours and fourteen stinkin' bucks...) -- -Mike- |
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On 12/14/2013 12:08 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 02:22:34 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 01:06:22 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet In Corpus Christi TX, north end of Padre Island and lots of fishing there is lots of salt to keep things rusty. It was standard procedure to drench cables with WD40 to expel the salt water. Probably not the same type of salt, but our roads and sidewalks are heavily salted in wintertime for traction. It's not uncommon for the snow to temporarily melt away and the ground is still white from all the salt spread on it. I've always wondered what all this road salt does to the eco system. Why do you think the oceans are so salty? We lived in Vermont for fifteen years. I'm very familiar with the whole concept of driving on salt. They use no sand because it'll freeze solid before they can get it on the trucks. In really cold weather, salt doesn't melt anything but it still helps traction. And oddly enough you add rock salt to a hand crank ice cream maker ice to make it colder. |
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Bill wrote:
I see you're not that funny either... ;) Didn't you notice the man was sort-of driving an FMC 150? Psssssst Bill... F-150... I'd love to hear what the insurance company has to say. It's seems they could pay off his claim and then sue him (for operating a vehicle negligently). They can't do that. -- -Mike- |
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On 12/14/2013 1:36 PM, Larry W wrote:
In article , Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 12/14/2013 9:55 AM, Larry W wrote: ...snipped... Rust is not necessary. In cold and we weather, the cable can literally freeze, i.e water infiltrates the cable housing far enought so that when it turns to ice the cable sticks. Working in fleet vehicle maintenance for the last 35 years I have seen it happen many of times. I can see that being an issue but certainly not the rust if you exercise the cables regularity. All our road call techs and garagemen carry propane torches this time of year. BTW, always leave them in the cab of the truck. If they're stowed in an unheated area they may not work too well til they warm up. Try driving your car through a puddle a few times then parking it overnight in freezing weather with the parking brake set hard. While a particular car may or may not have the brake freeze, the odds are that some will under these conditions. And in those occasions, you leave the vehicle in gear or Park when you park it. Not taking some measure to prevent the vehicle from moving is laziness. Could be laziness, could be ignorance, could be people in a hurry and just forget, could even be intentional if the driver is less than honest about his employment and thinks he can finagle some overtime out of such a situation. My shops take care of 3000 vehicles spread out over almost the whole state. I know better than to say "I've seen it all" or that nothing will surprise me any more. Someone's always got a reason or explanation you've never heard before. Way back when, a customer had her vehicle brought in on the hook. The vehicle would not budge. She called in complaining and warning of its arrival. She complained that a vehicle with 40,000 miles should not be breaking down. I paid good money bla bla bla. When the Wrecker arrived I had the driver back it on to a lift. He suspected that the front brakes were the problem. I had a mechanic remove the front wheels and we had a look. What we saw was a front rotor that was completely worn away to the cooling fins in the center and the caliper piston was welded to that rotor. Any sign of the pads was looooooong gone. We had to quote her a price for replacing everything between the upper and lower ball joints, it all had to be replaced, both sides. I asked her how long she had been listening to the noise coming from the front end. Her answer was a couple of days. |
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On 12/14/2013 12:47 PM, Bill wrote:
wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 22:48:28 -0500, Bill wrote: wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 13:31:34 -0500, Bill wrote: Man.... http://lumberjocks.com/topics/55735 Fortunately no one was hurt. The punch line is an absolutely horrible pun though. He should have had a ____ Stop! A truck stop? What else? I thought it was sort of funny when I first thought of it. But I'd probably think Tesla was funny. What's a Tesla Stop? ;-) I see you're not that funny either... ;) Didn't you notice the man was sort-of driving an FMC 150? I'd love to hear what the insurance company has to say. It's seems they could pay off his claim and then sue him (for operating a vehicle negligently). Probably not, if they could they would be suing every one, that they insure, that got a ticket for having an accident. |
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What we saw was a front rotor that was completely worn away to the cooling fins in the center and the caliper piston was welded to that rotor. Any sign of the pads was looooooong gone. We had to quote her a price for replacing everything between the upper and lower ball joints, it all had to be replaced, both sides. I asked her how long she had been listening to the noise coming from the front end. Her answer was a couple of days. Choke... ummmmmm, Yup - I believe that m'am... -- -Mike- |
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On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 14:47:06 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 12/14/2013 12:08 PM, wrote: On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 02:22:34 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 01:06:22 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet In Corpus Christi TX, north end of Padre Island and lots of fishing there is lots of salt to keep things rusty. It was standard procedure to drench cables with WD40 to expel the salt water. Probably not the same type of salt, but our roads and sidewalks are heavily salted in wintertime for traction. It's not uncommon for the snow to temporarily melt away and the ground is still white from all the salt spread on it. I've always wondered what all this road salt does to the eco system. Why do you think the oceans are so salty? We lived in Vermont for fifteen years. I'm very familiar with the whole concept of driving on salt. They use no sand because it'll freeze solid before they can get it on the trucks. In really cold weather, salt doesn't melt anything but it still helps traction. And oddly enough you add rock salt to a hand crank ice cream maker ice to make it colder. Not so oddly. The same reason, actually. Salt (ions) lowers the melting point of water. |
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On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 14:55:55 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 12/14/2013 12:31 PM, wrote: On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 10:32:37 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 12/14/2013 10:29 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote: On 12/14/2013 11:15 AM, Leon wrote: On 12/14/2013 9:55 AM, Larry W wrote: In article , Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 12/13/2013 7:06 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote: "Puckdropper" wrote: If you usually leave it out of gear, wouldn't you set the parking brake? A good push is all it takes to set a vehicle rolling. -------------------------------------------- Those who use emergency brakes don't live in the "Rust Belt" unless a lot of things have changed. Spend the time to release a frozen emergency brake cable once and you will never do it again. Use your parking brake as you should and lubricate as indicated the rust will not develop badly enough to lock things up. Rust is not necessary. In cold and we weather, the cable can literally freeze, i.e water infiltrates the cable housing far enought so that when it turns to ice the cable sticks. Working in fleet vehicle maintenance for the last 35 years I have seen it happen many of times. I can see that being an issue but certainly not the rust if you exercise the cables regularity. All our road call techs and garagemen carry propane torches this time of year. BTW, always leave them in the cab of the truck. If they're stowed in an unheated area they may not work too well til they warm up. Try driving your car through a puddle a few times then parking it overnight in freezing weather with the parking brake set hard. While a particular car may or may not have the brake freeze, the odds are that some will under these conditions. And in those occasions, you leave the vehicle in gear or Park when you park it. Not taking some measure to prevent the vehicle from moving is laziness. I remember one winter I had to go to a meeting in the evening. It was zero that night. The brake did not freeze but the oil in the standard transmission became so stiff that I could not shift until I let he car run for a while to warm the transmission. Oh heck yeah! Back in the late 80's, before the global warming fad, Houston used to get pretty cold. I recall similar situations with my 87 Isuzu Trooper. The temperature was "7" degrees F and that thing was a beast to drive when it got cold. Try 40F colder than that. ;-) I think you will have to agree that 7 is cold, damn cold for SE Texas. Well, yeah! There's a reason I moved to the South! ;-) IIRC back when SE Texas was naming their small towns Pearland, Orange after their orchards, Galveston Bay froze. I take it that Galveston bay isn't part of the gulf? Salt? |
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On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 13:47:08 -0500, Bill
wrote: wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 22:48:28 -0500, Bill wrote: wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 13:31:34 -0500, Bill wrote: Man.... http://lumberjocks.com/topics/55735 Fortunately no one was hurt. The punch line is an absolutely horrible pun though. He should have had a ____ Stop! A truck stop? What else? I thought it was sort of funny when I first thought of it. But I'd probably think Tesla was funny. What's a Tesla Stop? ;-) I see you're not that funny either... ;) ;-) Thinking of it again, I suppose this is a Tesla Stop. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0kjI08n4fg Didn't you notice the man was sort-of driving an FMC 150? No, I hadn't. All truck tires look the same. ;-) I'd love to hear what the insurance company has to say. It's seems they could pay off his claim and then sue him (for operating a vehicle negligently). Probably not. Anything can happen but if it's a decent insurance company, they'll just pay. He may (or may not) have a surcharge on his insurance for the next few years. There is a reason to not go cheap on auto insurance, though. |
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Leon wrote:
On 12/14/2013 12:47 PM, Bill wrote: wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 22:48:28 -0500, Bill wrote: wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 13:31:34 -0500, Bill wrote: Man.... http://lumberjocks.com/topics/55735 Fortunately no one was hurt. The punch line is an absolutely horrible pun though. He should have had a ____ Stop! A truck stop? What else? I thought it was sort of funny when I first thought of it. But I'd probably think Tesla was funny. What's a Tesla Stop? ;-) I see you're not that funny either... ;) Didn't you notice the man was sort-of driving an FMC 150? I'd love to hear what the insurance company has to say. It's seems they could pay off his claim and then sue him (for operating a vehicle negligently). Probably not, if they could they would be suing every one, that they insure, that got a ticket for having an accident. Maybe the answer depends on whether the insured lives in a "No-Fault" state or not. In Indiana, they are not afraid to sue. |
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On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 13:47:08 -0500, Bill wrote: wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 22:48:28 -0500, Bill wrote: wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 13:31:34 -0500, Bill wrote: Man.... http://lumberjocks.com/topics/55735 Fortunately no one was hurt. The punch line is an absolutely horrible pun though. He should have had a ____ Stop! A truck stop? What else? I thought it was sort of funny when I first thought of it. But I'd probably think Tesla was funny. What's a Tesla Stop? ;-) I see you're not that funny either... ;) ;-) Thinking of it again, I suppose this is a Tesla Stop. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0kjI08n4fg I see Tesla still has a few bugs to get worked out... In the meantime, we can all work on our sense of humor. : ) |
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Bill wrote:
Maybe the answer depends on whether the insured lives in a "No-Fault" state or not. In Indiana, they are not afraid to sue. That strikes me as quite odd. What would be the purpose of insurance if the insurance company were to simply turn around and sue you for collecting? Are you quite certain of what you claim Bill? Got any links to this kind of behavior by insurance companies in Indianna? -- -Mike- |
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Mike Marlow wrote:
Bill wrote: Maybe the answer depends on whether the insured lives in a "No-Fault" state or not. In Indiana, they are not afraid to sue. That strikes me as quite odd. What would be the purpose of insurance if the insurance company were to simply turn around and sue you for collecting? Are you quite certain of what you claim Bill? Got any links to this kind of behavior by insurance companies in Indianna? To me, it seems like the entity paying off on the homeowner's policy could sue the entity holding the auto-liability policy. Obviously, if they are the same company, then the there is no issue. I can tell you for based upon a little bit of experience, that in a "non-no-fault" state--in an accident, the insurance company of a negligent party will pay for all of the losses (or whatever the companies "settle" upon). |
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On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 18:46:51 -0500, Bill
wrote: wrote: On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 13:47:08 -0500, Bill wrote: wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 22:48:28 -0500, Bill wrote: wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 13:31:34 -0500, Bill wrote: Man.... http://lumberjocks.com/topics/55735 Fortunately no one was hurt. The punch line is an absolutely horrible pun though. He should have had a ____ Stop! A truck stop? What else? I thought it was sort of funny when I first thought of it. But I'd probably think Tesla was funny. What's a Tesla Stop? ;-) I see you're not that funny either... ;) ;-) Thinking of it again, I suppose this is a Tesla Stop. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0kjI08n4fg I see Tesla still has a few bugs to get worked out... In the meantime, we can all work on our sense of humor. : ) I guess it's _not_ working, huh? |
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Bill wrote:
Mike Marlow wrote: Bill wrote: Maybe the answer depends on whether the insured lives in a "No-Fault" state or not. In Indiana, they are not afraid to sue. That strikes me as quite odd. What would be the purpose of insurance if the insurance company were to simply turn around and sue you for collecting? Are you quite certain of what you claim Bill? Got any links to this kind of behavior by insurance companies in Indianna? To me, it seems like the entity paying off on the homeowner's policy could sue the entity holding the auto-liability policy. Obviously, if they are the same company, then the there is no issue. I understand that makes sense to you but that's not what you asserted in your previous post. As for those two policies, I really don't know which one would have to pay. But - that's a lot different from saying that insurance companies sue policy holders in Indianna - unless of course, I misunderstood what you were trying to say in the previous post. As for insurance companies going after each other - that is commonplace everywhere, but it's a herse of a different color. I can tell you for based upon a little bit of experience, that in a "non-no-fault" state--in an accident, the insurance company of a negligent party will pay for all of the losses (or whatever the companies "settle" upon). That applies even in No-Fault states. There's nothing unique to Indianna about that. It's just how insurance works. -- -Mike- |
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Bill wrote:
To me, it seems like the entity paying off on the homeowner's policy could sue the entity holding the auto-liability policy. Obviously, if they are the same company, then the there is no issue. As best as I understand No Fault insurance - and I'm no expert - it only applies to liability insurance - meaning bodily injury, not property damage. Since there were no injuries, there is no liability claim. I can tell you for based upon a little bit of experience, that in a "non-no-fault" state--in an accident, the insurance company of a negligent party will pay for all of the losses (or whatever the companies "settle" upon). To be more clear with respect to my previous reply - for collission claims the same applies in a No Fault state, like NY. Only bodily injury is subject to No Fault. -- -Mike- |
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Somebody wrote:
What's a Tesla Stop? ------------------------------------- A place where you stop a Tesla, of course. Lew |
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On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 19:17:25 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
wrote: Bill wrote: To me, it seems like the entity paying off on the homeowner's policy could sue the entity holding the auto-liability policy. Obviously, if they are the same company, then the there is no issue. As best as I understand No Fault insurance - and I'm no expert - it only applies to liability insurance - meaning bodily injury, not property damage. Since there were no injuries, there is no liability claim. There is no "understanding" No Fault insurance. It's all over the map. The bottom line is that, unless there is a court case, the insurance companies work it all out between themselves. "No fault" does nothing but raise confusion and premiums. I can tell you for based upon a little bit of experience, that in a "non-no-fault" state--in an accident, the insurance company of a negligent party will pay for all of the losses (or whatever the companies "settle" upon). To be more clear with respect to my previous reply - for collission claims the same applies in a No Fault state, like NY. Only bodily injury is subject to No Fault. When I lived in NY, yes, "No Fault" only applied to SOME bodily injury. In reality, you were paying for both. When "No Fault" was put in place, in NY, it raised the premiums substantially because it wasn't "No Fault" at all. |
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On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 16:27:14 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote: Somebody wrote: What's a Tesla Stop? ------------------------------------- A place where you stop a Tesla, of course. Where it catches fire is a good place to stop a Tesla. (Sorry, Bill) |
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Mike Marlow wrote:
Bill wrote: Mike Marlow wrote: Bill wrote: Maybe the answer depends on whether the insured lives in a "No-Fault" state or not. In Indiana, they are not afraid to sue. That strikes me as quite odd. What would be the purpose of insurance if the insurance company were to simply turn around and sue you for collecting? Are you quite certain of what you claim Bill? Got any links to this kind of behavior by insurance companies in Indianna? To me, it seems like the entity paying off on the homeowner's policy could sue the entity holding the auto-liability policy. Obviously, if they are the same company, then the there is no issue. I understand that makes sense to you but that's not what you asserted in your previous post. I explained my thoughts as well as I could. As for those two policies, I really don't know which one would have to pay. But - that's a lot different from saying that insurance companies sue policy holders in Indianna - unless of course, I misunderstood what you were trying to say in the previous post. As for insurance companies going after each other - that is commonplace everywhere, but it's a herse of a different color. I can tell you for based upon a little bit of experience, that in a "non-no-fault" state--in an accident, the insurance company of a negligent party will pay for all of the losses (or whatever the companies "settle" upon). That applies even in No-Fault states. There's nothing unique to Indianna about that. It's just how insurance works. In my (limited) experience, in no-fault states, the insurance companies don't seem to be so aggressive--they just pay their claimants and move on. This is in stark contrast to the non-no fault states. |
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Mike Marlow wrote:
Bill wrote: To me, it seems like the entity paying off on the homeowner's policy could sue the entity holding the auto-liability policy. Obviously, if they are the same company, then the there is no issue. As best as I understand No Fault insurance - and I'm no expert - it only applies to liability insurance - meaning bodily injury, not property damage. Since there were no injuries, there is no liability claim. I can tell you for based upon a little bit of experience, that in a "non-no-fault" state--in an accident, the insurance company of a negligent party will pay for all of the losses (or whatever the companies "settle" upon). To be more clear with respect to my previous reply - for collission claims the same applies in a No Fault state, like NY. Only bodily injury is subject to No Fault. I don't doubt that you are completely correct. We started off ignoring lots of details. Now we're ready to be the judge and jury! ;) |
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"Bill" Maybe the answer depends on whether the insured lives in a "No-Fault" state or not. In Indiana, they are not afraid to sue. I don't think he lives in the United States if he can stand on his right foot, on the ground, and put his left foot on the clutch pedal. Something is very wrong with this story.... |
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