I'e been thinking about getting woodworking tools so I can fill some
needs around the house.
I'd like to be able to make fairly simple things like shelves and
bookcases, structure to organize closets, etc.

What are some minimum recommended tools?
Not the small things like measuring tape or glue or the like, but the
big stuff.
A basic table saw probably, right?
I'd like to be able to make strong joints like dovetail (or whatever the
straight version of that is) so maybe a router is necessary, yes?
Would you recommend a nail gun? It comes in really handy doesn't it?

Pringles CheezUms wrote:
I'e been thinking about getting woodworking tools so I can fill some
needs around the house.
I'd like to be able to make fairly simple things like shelves and
bookcases, structure to organize closets, etc.

What are some minimum recommended tools?

P-C, It depends on how lofty you set your goals. You can rough-cut
plenty of wood with a $15 hand saw (and clean it up very nicely, if
desired, with an inexpensive block plane). Bang-for-your-buck wise, you
might pick up a decent cordless drill/driver if you don't have one. I
pick up nails and screws on an as-needed basis. In fact, buying tools on
an as-needed basis is probably a prudent way to proceed. If you don't
have a place to work with reasonable lighting, and 15 Amps of current
that is convenient, you might look into that.

If you are "organizing closets" then you probably don't require a table
saw unless you want to have one.

I'm a beginner, and I can assure you that there are people here who can
help answer most any questions that you may have.

Enjoy..
Bill


Not the small things like measuring tape or glue or the like, but the
big stuff.
A basic table saw probably, right?
I'd like to be able to make strong joints like dovetail (or whatever the
straight version of that is) so maybe a router is necessary, yes?
Would you recommend a nail gun? It comes in really handy doesn't it?

Bill wrote:


If you are "organizing closets" then you probably don't require a
table saw unless you want to have one.


Sheese Bill! Never say that. Ferchristsake Bill - they guy's wife may be
reading this! These kinds of projects are always the perfect reason to go
out and buy that new tool. What better excuse to go out and get a new table
saw?

Gotta tell ya everything Bill...

--

-Mike-

On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 21:48:18 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
Sheese Bill! Never say that. Ferchristsake Bill - they guy's wife may be
reading this! These kinds of projects are always the perfect reason to go
out and buy that new tool. What better excuse to go out and get a new table
saw?

Gotta tell ya everything Bill...

Yup. I think Bill needs to attend the etiquette class on how to get
permission to buy tools ~ especially at this time of year.

And just a follow up for you Bill. Unless you get to specify the exact
model numbers of the tools a wife can pick from, tell her you'd
really, really like it if she took you along with her while shopping.

Unfortunately but true, is the fact that wives and girlfriends while
their hearts are usually in the right place, often buy the most
terrible tools or at the very least, spend way too much on a tool that
they could have bought elsewhere much cheaper. Tool sales people are
merciless when it comes to selling tools to women.

Dave wrote:


And just a follow up for you Bill. Unless you get to specify the exact
model numbers of the tools a wife can pick from, tell her you'd
really, really like it if she took you along with her while shopping.

Unfortunately but true, is the fact that wives and girlfriends while
their hearts are usually in the right place, often buy the most
terrible tools or at the very least, spend way too much on a tool that
they could have bought elsewhere much cheaper. Tool sales people are
merciless when it comes to selling tools to women.

Preach it brother! Got an Amen chorus all teed up for when you're done!

--

-Mike-

Mike Marlow wrote:
Bill wrote:


If you are "organizing closets" then you probably don't require a
table saw unless you want to have one.


Sheese Bill! Never say that. Ferchristsake Bill - they guy's wife may be
reading this! These kinds of projects are always the perfect reason to go
out and buy that new tool. What better excuse to go out and get a new table
saw?

Gotta tell ya everything Bill...


The word "Minimum" in the subject line troubled me (too). I had a strong
feeling he might buy the wrong one if he chose now. He might be better
off buying a good circular saw that he'll have for the long haul while
he considers which table saw, jointer, planer, router and air filtration
equipment he requires, while he arranges for a (possible) necessary
electrical upgrade to 220V. That still doesn't quite get him to the
minimum, because he may still lack the prerequisite tools to set this
stuff set-up! And throw in a good table saw blade, some router bits, a
Swanson Speed Square and a box-cutter knife! There now, is that the
minimum?

I think if you bring the stuff in bit-by-bit after the first machine
that, no one will notice. You can say, "Oh, this old thing--It's been
her ever since we moved in! And this other one got throwed in free with
the first one..." : )

Pringles CheezUms wrote in
:

I'e been thinking about getting woodworking tools so I can fill some
needs around the house.
I'd like to be able to make fairly simple things like shelves and
bookcases, structure to organize closets, etc.

What are some minimum recommended tools?
Not the small things like measuring tape or glue or the like, but the
big stuff.
A basic table saw probably, right?
I'd like to be able to make strong joints like dovetail (or whatever
the straight version of that is) so maybe a router is necessary, yes?
Would you recommend a nail gun? It comes in really handy doesn't it?

You need a good cordless drill/driver set. Don't bother with the $20
specials, spend some real dough. Get one with a smart charger (shuts
off automatically when done), multiple batteries, and both drill and
impact driver.

Add to that a good circular saw (you can go portable, but a corded model
is better for medium-light to heavy use), and you're well on the way to
being able to do most house-hold tasks.

We've got book cases that have stood for years that are nothing more
than 1x12s (Menards Select grade) that have been screwed together.
They're in great condition still (except one is leaning--but a backer
board would fix that).

If you're in a tool buying mood, a multitool like the Fein Multimaster
would be a good purchase. Harbor Freight has a very servicable tool for
around $20, or you can spend some more and get one that isn't as loud
and doesn't vibrate the tool body as much.

You might look in to pocket hole joinery. It's strong and easy to do,
but perfection does take some experience... and maybe a few more clamps.
Kreg (one company that makes pocket hold jigs) is pretty proud of their
stuff, but it does work.

What you really need is a project. They have a wonderful way of
spurring tool purchases and showing where your current tools are
inadequate or not designed for what you need to do.

Don't forget clamps. Buy them in multiples of 4. Build a storage rack
for them and buy some more.

Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 17:20:52 -0600, Pringles CheezUms
wrote:

I'e been thinking about getting woodworking tools so I can fill some
needs around the house.
I'd like to be able to make fairly simple things like shelves and
bookcases, structure to organize closets, etc.

What are some minimum recommended tools?
Not the small things like measuring tape or glue or the like, but the
big stuff.
A basic table saw probably, right?

Depends on how serious you are, how much room you have, how much money
you have.

My first tablesaw was a cheap Craftsman with the flimsy legs and
aluminum top. It was OK for about a year and I built some nifty small
stuff with it. Once I decided that, yes, I do like this hobby and
will stick with it, I bought a Delta contractor type saw. Wow,
amazing difference and much more capable for things like wide cross
cuts, ease of setting the fence, etc. If you can do it, it is a great
model. Sure, a 5 HP saw would be nice, but this certainly keeps up for
me.

My preference for a router is one mounted in a table. I use that 99%
of the time and hardly ever touch my hand held. The ability to do
round-overs and grooves makes it a valuable tool.

Next for me is a sander. I have the Ryobi from Home Dept that uses a
belt or spindle. Good value and performs well. Drill press and a
small compressor rounds out most of the starter stuff. I do not have
a nail gun, but I do have a stapler and brad gun. Buy them as you
need them.

Don't forget clamps. Get at least two 18" and two 24" for starters.

"Pringles CheezUms" wrote:


I'e been thinking about getting woodworking tools so I can fill some
needs around the house.
I'd like to be able to make fairly simple things like shelves and
bookcases, structure to organize closets, etc.

What are some minimum recommended tools?
Not the small things like measuring tape or glue or the like, but
the
big stuff.
A basic table saw probably, right?
I'd like to be able to make strong joints like dovetail (or whatever
the
straight version of that is) so maybe a router is necessary, yes?
Would you recommend a nail gun? It comes in really handy doesn't it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
During the first year, expect to invest $2,000-$2,500 in equipment.

A good table saw with the best fence available for it.

A set of quality 10" carbide saw blades (24T, 50T & 80T).

A quality 8" carbide dado set.

A bench top planer.

A basic router package with router bits added as needed for a project.

A 6" ROS sander.

Clamps, clamps & more clamps.

That pretty well shoots $2,500 and does not address a jointer, dust
collection,
band saw, and hand drills.

It is also not all bought the first day.

You will be surprised how quick it adds up, but that's life for a wood
worker.

Have fun.

Lew

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Don't forget clamps. Get at least two 18" and two 24" for starters.



Get the metal bar clamps at Harbor Freight. They are a good value, and
that way you'll money for all of the stuff on Lew's list.

You could have great closets (I hope they are lit)! : )

First off figure out what you want to build. Exactly. Then maybe come here and ask what tools you need and how to use them to build whatever you want to build. The people here will suggest many different tools and many different ways to build whatever you want to build. Then figure out what method you want to use to build the project. Then go buy those tools. Repeat for the second, third, fourth project. Eventually you will have quite a few tools. And many of the tools will get used over and over on every project. I don't recommend going out and buying lots of tools to start. Not even the basics such as a table saw and router. Wait until you know you are going to use them. Best to get the tools as you need them for a specific project. You can make the decision whether to go high end tools or low end tools. Probably replace a few tools with better after awhile. Nothing wrong with that. Its not wasted money since you used the cheaper tools for awhile and learned something.



On Saturday, December 15, 2012 5:20:52 PM UTC-6, Pringles CheezUms wrote:
I'e been thinking about getting woodworking tools so I can fill some

needs around the house.

I'd like to be able to make fairly simple things like shelves and

bookcases, structure to organize closets, etc.



What are some minimum recommended tools?

Not the small things like measuring tape or glue or the like, but the

big stuff.

A basic table saw probably, right?

I'd like to be able to make strong joints like dovetail (or whatever the

straight version of that is) so maybe a router is necessary, yes?

Would you recommend a nail gun? It comes in really handy doesn't it?

Mike Marlow wrote:
Bill wrote:


If you are "organizing closets" then you probably don't require a
table saw unless you want to have one.


Sheese Bill! Never say that. Ferchristsake Bill - they guy's wife
may be reading this! These kinds of projects are always the perfect
reason to go out and buy that new tool. What better excuse to go out
and get a new table saw?

Gotta tell ya everything Bill...

Exactly ! In converting a propane grill to use natural gas, the instructions
called for drilling out an intake valve with a #51 bit. Well, I tell you,
that was exactly the reason I sprang for a 115 piece drill bit set. Couldn't
have justified the expese otherwise.

Pringles CheezUms wrote:
I'e been thinking about getting woodworking tools so I can fill some
needs around the house.
I'd like to be able to make fairly simple things like shelves and
bookcases, structure to organize closets, etc.

What are some minimum recommended tools?
Not the small things like measuring tape or glue or the like, but the
big stuff.
A basic table saw probably, right?
I'd like to be able to make strong joints like dovetail (or whatever
the straight version of that is) so maybe a router is necessary, yes?
Would you recommend a nail gun? It comes in really handy doesn't it?

Check your communty's Craigslist. Recently I bought a low-end table saw
(virtually new) for $35 and gave it to my son. I also bought two disk and
belt sanders, the first was a 6" ($30) and the second was and 8" ($35).

Of course you'll have to differentate between immediate or probable use
(table saw) or something of inconceivable usage (sheet metal brake).

On 12/16/2012 3:49 AM, wrote:
First off figure out what you want to build. Exactly. Then maybe
come here and ask what tools you need and how to use them to build
whatever you want to build. The people here will suggest many
different tools and many different ways to build whatever you want to
build. Then figure out what method you want to use to build the
project. Then go buy those tools. Repeat for the second, third,
fourth project.


That's great advice (even if I didn't always follow it myself). There's
a saying, "if all you have is a hammer, every problem is a nail!" Apt
for this discussion. Collect/buy the tools you need for the job at hand
and the method you'll employ AFTER noodling the "problem" for awhile.

Faced with undercutting all the door jambs in the house to replace
carpeting with flooring I "noodled" the best and easiest way to make
accurate undercuts that wouldn't have me standing on my head in a closet
doorway while I made them. Could have gone out and bought a machine
made exclusively for that but...

I then remembered that I had a biscuit cutter. Using the biscuit
cutter's height adjustment and a plywood shim in one case allowed me to
undercut every jamb in the house, perfectly square in the time it would
have taken Norm Abrams to cut one with a hand sawg


Eventually you will have quite a few tools. And
many of the tools will get used over and over on every project. I
don't recommend going out and buying lots of tools to start. Not even
the basics such as a table saw and router. Wait until you know you
are going to use them. Best to get the tools as you need them for a
specific project.


This is referred to as "Tool Acquisition 101" Accustom SWMBO to the
concept of "One Project, (at least) One New Tool." When you couple that
with "If Mamma is Happy, EVERYBODY's happy" and do nice work on the
projects that she requests, she's not going to complain about your tool
purchases. If you luck out you may find, as I did, that SWMBO is your
"bird dog." First married and still living in an apartment but planning
a house, my wife spotted my first power tool purchase, a used RAS with a
ton of accessories that has served me well for almost 40 years now. She
is also the one who spotted a used Jet cabinet saw advertised in the
local fishwrap and chased me over to buy it since she knew I wanted one
(note that the word NEED is not necessarily part of the purchase
strategemg). So it goes with sales on quality tools seen in newspaper
fliers, etc. No, she doesn't use them, can't use most of them. She's
quite happy to assist when necessary and hold the dumb end of the tape
measure.

On 12/16/12 7:26 AM, HeyBub wrote:
Check your communty's Craigslist. Recently I bought a low-end table saw
(virtually new) for $35 and gave it to my son. I also bought two disk and
belt sanders, the first was a 6" ($30) and the second was and 8" ($35).


Yes, used is a great place to look, especially craigslist.
My shop is a veritable showcase of craigslist scores that have saved me
at least $1500 on my own "minimum recommended tools" acquisition,
including a barely used $950 table saw I got for $225.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

In article ,
Mike Marlow wrote:
Bill wrote:


If you are "organizing closets" then you probably don't require a
table saw unless you want to have one.


Sheese Bill! Never say that. Ferchristsake Bill - they guy's wife may be
reading this! These kinds of projects are always the perfect reason to go
out and buy that new tool. What better excuse to go out and get a new table
saw?

Gotta tell ya everything Bill...


Yeah, absolutely right. At lease he left an out for the poor guy by
saying "probably..."


--
Often wrong, never in doubt.

Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org

HeyBub wrote:


Of course you'll have to differentate between immediate or probable
use (table saw) or something of inconceivable usage (sheet metal
brake).

Ahem... you can satisfy your compulsion for tool purchases by buying that
sheet metal brake and just shipping it up here...

--

-Mike-

Tool sales people are merciless when it comes to selling tools to women.

And lingerie to husbands and boyfriends.

Hoo boy this is much bigger than I expected! Cool.
This get-what-you-need-per-project seems to be good advice. I'll start
there.

I've already got a good drill, and what I think is a set of good bits so
that's taken care of. Dewalt 24 volt (i think), two batteries. I use the
charger that came with it but don't know how good a quality it is.
Better be tho, retails for round a couple hundred bucks. (not that I
paid that much, I'm pretty cheap...err, frugal. yeah, frugal.
thatstheticket.)

I've used a handheld circular saw most of my life, and I could go borrow
one of dads. But I'm a lazy son of a gun as well, and a table saw seems
it would do it faster and smoother once I got used to it. Doubt it would
go to waste, there always seems to be a better way to make things take
less space than they do, know what I mean? Used seems to be the way to
go.

Thanks all!

First off figure out what you want to build. Exactly. Then maybe come here and ask what tools you need and how to use them to build whatever you want to build. The people here will suggest many different tools and many different ways to build whatever you want to build. Then figure out what method you want to use to build the project. Then go buy those tools. Repeat for the second, third, fourth project. Eventually you will have quite a few tools. And many of the tools will get used over and over on every project. I don't recommend going out and buying lots of tools to start. Not even the basics such as a table saw and router. Wait until you know you are going to use them. Best to get the tools as you need them for a specific project. You can make the decision whether to go high end tools or low end tools. Probably replace a few tools with better after awhile. Nothing wrong with that. Its not wasted money since you used the cheaper tools for awhile and learned
something.

On Saturday, December 15, 2012 5:20:52 PM UTC-6, Pringles CheezUms wrote:
I'e been thinking about getting woodworking tools so I can fill some

needs around the house.

I'd like to be able to make fairly simple things like shelves and

bookcases, structure to organize closets, etc.

What are some minimum recommended tools?

On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:02:50 -0600, Pringles CheezUms
wrote:

Hoo boy this is much bigger than I expected! Cool.
This get-what-you-need-per-project seems to be good advice. I'll start
there.

I've already got a good drill, and what I think is a set of good bits so
that's taken care of. Dewalt 24 volt (i think), two batteries. I use the
charger that came with it but don't know how good a quality it is.
Better be tho, retails for round a couple hundred bucks. (not that I
paid that much, I'm pretty cheap...err, frugal. yeah, frugal.
thatstheticket.)

I've used a handheld circular saw most of my life, and I could go borrow
one of dads. But I'm a lazy son of a gun as well, and a table saw seems
it would do it faster and smoother once I got used to it. Doubt it would
go to waste, there always seems to be a better way to make things take
less space than they do, know what I mean? Used seems to be the way to
go.

[...snip...]

A good table saw is a great thing to have. But realize it is a
slippery slope. You will find it great at ripping and OK at
crosscutting, but eventually the limitations for crosscutting will
become apparent. Then you will want a compound miter saw, sliding or
not. Until you find you want to crosscut wider boards than it will do.
Then you go back to the table saw and make a sled or two to help with
that. Or you invest in a track saw.

By the way, if you take the time to learn how, you will find that a
good quality properly sharpened handsaw will make much faster, cleaner
and more accurate cuts than you ever would have suspected.

Lew Hodgett wrote:

----------------------------------------------------------------------
During the first year, expect to invest $2,000-$2,500 in equipment.


A set of quality 10" carbide saw blades (24T, 50T & 80T).


Lew, just curious--Is the 80T blade for trim?

I was expecting the Forrest WWII (40T) or the Freud "Premier Fusion"
(40T) blades would be good for sawing through my cherry veneered
(poplar) plywood, and for general FWW use. The latter is about $80 and
the former $40 more.

Any benefit to going with a higher tooth count here?

Bill

"Bill" wrote:

Lew, just curious--Is the 80T blade for trim?
-------------------------------------------------------
I think of an 80T blade as the "plywood blade" rather than a solid
wood cross cut blade.

Lew

Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Bill" wrote:

Lew, just curious--Is the 80T blade for trim?
-------------------------------------------------------
I think of an 80T blade as the "plywood blade" rather than a solid
wood cross cut blade.


That makes sense. Thanks.

I had done a little searching before I posted and I had noticed that the
80t blades were described as appropriate for veneered plywood, then I
considered that other blade everyone talks about that can "do
everything" (It's name rhymes with "poorest"). I think I have more of a
Freud budget at this point. I already added the Dewalt Stacked Dado set
to my "wish list" today.

Cheers,
Bill



Lew

"Bill" wrote:
I think I have more of a Freud budget at this point. I already
added the Dewalt Stacked Dado set to my "wish list" today.
-------------------------------------------------------------
Freud periodically has a package deal with a 24T, 50T and an 80T set
of blades
for a package price.

Do yourself a favor and stick with Freud.

Their 8" stacked dado is a winner.

Lew

On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 01:09:04 -0500, Bill wrote:
Lew, just curious--Is the 80T blade for trim?
-------------------------------------------------------
I think of an 80T blade as the "plywood blade" rather than a solid
wood cross cut blade.

Crosscutting, especially with veneered plywood is where your 80T
carbide tipped blade would typically find its home.

However, a 60t carbide tipped combination blade can handle the ripping
and crosscutting of that veneered plywood with satisfactory results. ~
Saves a little money and the need to change blades.

On Saturday, December 15, 2012 3:20:52 PM UTC-8, Pringles CheezUms wrote:
I'e been thinking about getting woodworking tools so I can fill some needs around the house. I'd like to be able to make fairly simple things like shelves and bookcases, structure to organize closets, etc. What are some minimum recommended tools? Not the small things like measuring tape or glue or the like, but the big stuff. A basic table saw probably, right? I'd like to be able to make strong joints like dovetail (or whatever the straight version of that is) so maybe a router is necessary, yes? Would you recommend a nail gun? It comes in really handy doesn't it?

Find someplace to take a few classes. Then your list will build itself.

On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 01:09:04 -0500, Bill wrote:

Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Bill" wrote:

Lew, just curious--Is the 80T blade for trim?
-------------------------------------------------------
I think of an 80T blade as the "plywood blade" rather than a solid
wood cross cut blade.


That makes sense. Thanks.

I had done a little searching before I posted and I had noticed that the
80t blades were described as appropriate for veneered plywood, then I
considered that other blade everyone talks about that can "do
everything" (It's name rhymes with "poorest"). I think I have more of a
Freud budget at this point. I already added the Dewalt Stacked Dado set
to my "wish list" today.

Cheers,
Bill



Lew



You might look at the Frued adjustable dado blade. It is more
expensive, but as plywood sizes vary so much you might find it will
save you a lot of time and trouble with setup. I know budgets have to
be maintained, but this will pay for it's self with reduced
frustration and tighter fits.

Mike M

In article ,
says...

On Saturday, December 15, 2012 3:20:52 PM UTC-8, Pringles CheezUms wrote:
I'e been thinking about getting woodworking tools so I can fill some needs around the house. I'd like to be able to make fairly simple things like shelves and bookcases, structure to organize closets, etc. What are some minimum recommended tools? Not the small things like measuring tape or glue or the like, but the big stuff. A basic table saw probably, right? I'd like to be able to make strong joints like dovetail (or whatever the straight version of that is) so
maybe a router is necessary, yes? Would you recommend a nail gun? It comes in really handy doesn't it?

Find someplace to take a few classes. Then your list will build itself.

Or pick your project and buy what you need to build it. Then pick
another project.

On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 16:05:54 -0800, Zz Yzx
wrote:

Tool sales people are merciless when it comes to selling tools to women.

And lingerie to husbands and boyfriends.
DAMHIKT

Mike M wrote:

You might look at the Frued adjustable dado blade. It is more
expensive, but as plywood sizes vary so much you might find it will
save you a lot of time and trouble with setup. I know budgets have to
be maintained, but this will pay for it's self with reduced
frustration and tighter fits.

Mike M


I didn't really want to like it... But as a $75 premium on an already
$200 dado blade set, I can see that it would quickly pay for itself in
"reduced frustration" (as you called it). Thank you for mentioning the
blade.

Bill

On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 19:57:14 -0500, Bill wrote:

Mike M wrote:

You might look at the Frued adjustable dado blade. It is more
expensive, but as plywood sizes vary so much you might find it will
save you a lot of time and trouble with setup. I know budgets have to
be maintained, but this will pay for it's self with reduced
frustration and tighter fits.

Mike M


I didn't really want to like it... But as a $75 premium on an already
$200 dado blade set, I can see that it would quickly pay for itself in
"reduced frustration" (as you called it). Thank you for mentioning the
blade.

Bill

Ask Swingman he uses the same blade.

"Bill" wrote:

I didn't really want to like it... But as a $75 premium on an
already $200 dado blade set, I can see that it would quickly pay for
itself in "reduced frustration" (as you called it). Thank you for
mentioning the blade.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Having had a Freud SD508, it didn't disappoint me.

You have a couple of chippers designed to match the undersized ply
in the set.

A $20 dial caliper OTOH, is worth it's weight in gold IMHO during
setup.

OTOH, until you have a table saw, the SD508 is nothing more than
a display trinket.


Lew

Lew Hodgett wrote:
OTOH, until you have a table saw, the SD508 is nothing more than
a display trinket.

When I tell folks that I read through motherboard manuals before buying
the motherboard they will often look at me as though that is absurd.
IMO, there is no other (good) way to do it. I was surprised to learn
that the Dial-A-Width Freud Dado set does not work on all saws,
including some you might expect it to work on. And yes, I learned this
yesterday with neither a table saw nor a dado set. Knowledge is king
(or queen). Of course, telling you this is like preaching to the
pope... ; )

Cheers,
Bill

On Dec 15, 7:48*pm, "Mike Marlow"
wrote:
Bill wrote:

If you are "organizing closets" then you probably don't require a
table saw unless you want to have one.

Sheese Bill! *Never say that. *Ferchristsake Bill - they guy's wife may be
reading this! *These kinds of projects are always the perfect reason to go
out and buy that new tool. *What better excuse to go out and get a new table
saw?

Gotta tell ya everything Bill...

--

-Mike-


I used to have all my woodworking tools stored in my garage. All of
them had a specific place when not in use, so I could still get the
cars in the garage. Theree years ago, I wanted to buy a new tablesaw
and I had the spot picked out to store it. After I got it home and
started to assemble it, I forgot to account for the side wings. It
was at this point that I talked the wife into letting me build a 20x22
workshop, instead of returning the tablesaw. I think I did pretty
good in that deal.

Rob

rlz wrote:


I used to have all my woodworking tools stored in my garage. All of
them had a specific place when not in use, so I could still get the
cars in the garage. Theree years ago, I wanted to buy a new tablesaw
and I had the spot picked out to store it. After I got it home and
started to assemble it, I forgot to account for the side wings. It
was at this point that I talked the wife into letting me build a 20x22
workshop, instead of returning the tablesaw. I think I did pretty
good in that deal.

Rob

Yeah - that was a major score Rob! How much did that... ummmmm... "cost"
you?

--

-Mike-

On Dec 19, 9:48*am, "Mike Marlow"
wrote:
rlz wrote:

I used to have all my woodworking tools stored in my garage. *All of
them had a specific place when not in use, so I could still get the
cars in the garage. *Theree years ago, I wanted to buy a new tablesaw
and I had the spot picked out to store it. *After I got it home and
started to assemble it, I forgot to account for the side wings. *It
was at this point that I talked the wife into letting me build a 20x22
workshop, instead of returning the tablesaw. *I think I did pretty
good in that deal.

Rob

Yeah - that was a major score Rob! *How much did that... ummmmm... "cost"
you?

--

-Mike-


That new TS cost me about $15K. Concrete slab, fully insulated with
air/heat/satellite radio and HD TV.

On 12/19/2012 12:23 PM, rlz wrote:
On Dec 19, 9:48 am, "Mike Marlow"
wrote:
rlz wrote:

I used to have all my woodworking tools stored in my garage. All of
them had a specific place when not in use, so I could still get the
cars in the garage. Theree years ago, I wanted to buy a new tablesaw
and I had the spot picked out to store it. After I got it home and
started to assemble it, I forgot to account for the side wings. It
was at this point that I talked the wife into letting me build a 20x22
workshop, instead of returning the tablesaw. I think I did pretty
good in that deal.

Rob

Yeah - that was a major score Rob! How much did that... ummmmm... "cost"
you?

--

-Mike-


That new TS cost me about $15K. Concrete slab, fully insulated with
air/heat/satellite radio and HD TV.

I wonder how TV have influenced the statistics on table saw injuries.

rlz wrote:
On Dec 19, 9:48 am, "Mike Marlow"
wrote:
rlz wrote:

I used to have all my woodworking tools stored in my garage. All of
them had a specific place when not in use, so I could still get the
cars in the garage. Theree years ago, I wanted to buy a new tablesaw
and I had the spot picked out to store it. After I got it home and
started to assemble it, I forgot to account for the side wings. It
was at this point that I talked the wife into letting me build a
20x22 workshop, instead of returning the tablesaw. I think I did
pretty good in that deal.

Rob

Yeah - that was a major score Rob! How much did that... ummmmm...
"cost" you?

--

-Mike-


That new TS cost me about $15K. Concrete slab, fully insulated with
air/heat/satellite radio and HD TV.

No - I meant... how much did it cost to get the wife's concurrance?

--

-Mike-

Let me finish with

Are there sources for plans for common things on the net? I googled, but
only found pay sites.
Specifically, I'd like to build a modular bookcase. Cubes that stack and
look decent but that I could just grab when I want to reorganize or
move. (kinda like milk crates but stronger.)
Any website, and/or plans, like that around?

Pringles CheezUms wrote:
Let me finish with

Are there sources for plans for common things on the net? I googled, but
only found pay sites.
Specifically, I'd like to build a modular bookcase. Cubes that stack and
look decent but that I could just grab when I want to reorganize or
move. (kinda like milk crates but stronger.)
Any website, and/or plans, like that around?

Maybe browse some woodworking magazines. I think Wood magazine has a
bookcase related item in every issue-at least it seems like they do.
Virtually every book on cabinetmaking in your library ought to have
plenty of ideas. You may even find such a book on Google Books.
You might look at Google Images website lumberjocks.com for ideas.

Try to draw a picture of what you want. Does your project need to
resemble "fine woodworking" or will "rough carpentry" suffice? Are you
really going to be satisfied with "stackable cubes"? If so, I guess
you only figure out how to build one. What material do you wish to build
with? The expression "look decent" is really vague--WHAT do you want it
to look like?

If you can sketch, give it a go! You can post it at
alt.binaries.picures.woodworking, and you will probably get some helpful
tips from people who know stuff.

Cheers,
Bill