For all you folks getting ready to crawl into a "huricane hole" and
wait Sandy out,
my thoughts are with you.

Best of luck.


Lew

On 10/28/2012 8:23 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
For all you folks getting ready to crawl into a "huricane hole" and
wait Sandy out,
my thoughts are with you.

Best of luck.


Lew




As are my wishes but my gut is telling me that this is not going to be
the "epic" storm that the forecasters are making it out to be. The
weather people seem to for get that hurricanes need warm water to form
and grow. Typically once a cold front blows through the gulf coast
hurricane season pretty much over. But, hurricane season is not
"officially" over until the calendar says so.

On 10/29/2012 8:54 AM, Leon wrote:
....

As are my wishes but my gut is telling me that this is not going to be
the "epic" storm that the forecasters are making it out to be. The
weather people seem to for get that hurricanes need warm water to form
and grow. Typically once a cold front blows through the gulf coast
hurricane season pretty much over. But, hurricane season is not
"officially" over until the calendar says so.

I don't the the "weather people" at NOAA forget anything at all about
what the mechanics of hurricanes and extra-tropical storms are...Sandy
is feeding off the Gulf Stream off the east coast and is already
something quite out of the ordinary simply owing to the breadth for the
location and the coincidence of the cold front it's going to run into
has some serious potential...and given that it's going to make landfall
at or near high tide in the generally most-populated area of the country
means the impact will be beyond its actual measured strength. And, of
course, even after the winds drop below hurricane or gale strength
flooding can be a _very_bad_thing_ from excessive rainfall inland and
combined w/ surge near coast. I wouldn't underestimate it a bit, meself...

From NOAA hurricane center forecast discussion--

Statement as of 5:00 am EDT on October 29, 2012

Sandy continues to maintain an area of deep convection near the
center...with an eye occasionally visible on satellite imagery.
Although the satellite presentation of the system is not very
impressive...SFMR measurements...flight-level winds...and dropsonde
data from the Air Force hurricane hunters indicate that the winds
have increased to near 75 kt. Since the hurricane will traverse
the Gulf Stream this morning...and the shear is not too strong at
this time...some more strengthening as a tropical cyclone is
possible in the next few hours. However...the main mechanism
for intensification later today should be baroclinic forcing. The
official wind speed forecast is close to the latest GFS prediction
as that model should be able to handle the evolution of this type
of system fairly well.

Surface data indicate that a well-marked warm and cold front lie not
far to the north and west of the center of Sandy. As the
circulation interacts with these fronts...the cyclone should become
extratropical later today. Extratropical transition is expected to
be complete before the center crosses the coast. However...this
transformation will not diminish the overall impacts from winds to
hurricane strength...life-threatening storm surge...and flooding
rains associated with this dangerous weather system. Based on the
global models...the cyclone should weaken fairly rapidly after
landfall.

Center fixes indicate that Sandy is now moving northward or about
360/13...as it begins to rotate around a mid- to upper-level
cyclone over the southeastern United States. As it moves between
the cyclone and a highly anomalous mid-tropospheric ridge near
Atlantic Canada...Sandy should turn northwestward and
west-northwestward with some further increase in forward speed.
This track should result in the center making landfall in the
mid-Atlantic states this evening or tonight. After landfall...the
dynamical guidance shows a significant slowing of forward speed as
the system merges with the mid- to upper-level cyclone. The
official track forecast for this package is a bit faster than the
previous one...and close to the GFS and ECMWF solutions.

Interests are reminded not to focus on the center or the exact
forecast track of this system...since strong winds cover an area
several hundred miles across...and the highest winds will not
necessarily be near the center.

--

On 10/29/2012 9:35 AM, dpb wrote:
On 10/29/2012 8:54 AM, Leon wrote:
...

As are my wishes but my gut is telling me that this is not going to be
the "epic" storm that the forecasters are making it out to be. The
weather people seem to for get that hurricanes need warm water to form
and grow. Typically once a cold front blows through the gulf coast
hurricane season pretty much over. But, hurricane season is not
"officially" over until the calendar says so.

I don't the the "weather people" at NOAA forget anything at all about
what the mechanics of hurricanes and extra-tropical storms are...Sandy
is feeding off the Gulf Stream off the east coast and is already
something quite out of the ordinary simply owing to the breadth for the
location and the coincidence of the cold front it's going to run into
has some serious potential...and given that it's going to make landfall
at or near high tide in the generally most-populated area of the country
means the impact will be beyond its actual measured strength. And, of
course, even after the winds drop below hurricane or gale strength
flooding can be a _very_bad_thing_ from excessive rainfall inland and
combined w/ surge near coast. I wouldn't underestimate it a bit, meself...


Well simply lots of rain, and not from a hurricane, can have the same
flooding effect. Winds barely qualify this storm as a hurricane and it
slips in and out of hurricane status. IMHO the only thing that will
make this a costly event will be from dense population.

And I have never heard of a hurricane feeding off of any thing but warm
water. Perhaps the Gulf Stream is helping to steer the storm rather
than give it strength.

Frankinstorm just seems to be a bit of an over exaggeration of the
storm. Now that "every" tropical storm gets a name these days rather
than only the actual hurricanes being named, only exasperates the
excitement and fear factor.

There was a time when you only heard of storms names beginning with
a,b,c,d,e but now we routinely hear of storms names being in the far end
of the alphabet with no more land falls than 30`40`50 years ago.

I don't doubt that this could be pretty tough but the way it is being
described from my neck of the woods is that this could very well be the
end of the world as we know it.










From NOAA hurricane center forecast discussion--

Statement as of 5:00 am EDT on October 29, 2012

Sandy continues to maintain an area of deep convection near the
center...with an eye occasionally visible on satellite imagery.
Although the satellite presentation of the system is not very
impressive...SFMR measurements...flight-level winds...and dropsonde
data from the Air Force hurricane hunters indicate that the winds
have increased to near 75 kt. Since the hurricane will traverse
the Gulf Stream this morning...and the shear is not too strong at
this time...some more strengthening as a tropical cyclone is
possible in the next few hours. However...the main mechanism
for intensification later today should be baroclinic forcing. The
official wind speed forecast is close to the latest GFS prediction
as that model should be able to handle the evolution of this type
of system fairly well.

Surface data indicate that a well-marked warm and cold front lie not
far to the north and west of the center of Sandy. As the
circulation interacts with these fronts...the cyclone should become
extratropical later today. Extratropical transition is expected to
be complete before the center crosses the coast. However...this
transformation will not diminish the overall impacts from winds to
hurricane strength...life-threatening storm surge...and flooding
rains associated with this dangerous weather system. Based on the
global models...the cyclone should weaken fairly rapidly after
landfall.

Center fixes indicate that Sandy is now moving northward or about
360/13...as it begins to rotate around a mid- to upper-level
cyclone over the southeastern United States. As it moves between
the cyclone and a highly anomalous mid-tropospheric ridge near
Atlantic Canada...Sandy should turn northwestward and
west-northwestward with some further increase in forward speed.
This track should result in the center making landfall in the
mid-Atlantic states this evening or tonight. After landfall...the
dynamical guidance shows a significant slowing of forward speed as
the system merges with the mid- to upper-level cyclone. The
official track forecast for this package is a bit faster than the
previous one...and close to the GFS and ECMWF solutions.

Interests are reminded not to focus on the center or the exact
forecast track of this system...since strong winds cover an area
several hundred miles across...and the highest winds will not
necessarily be near the center.

--

On 10/29/2012 10:42 AM, Leon wrote:
I don't doubt that this could be pretty tough but the way it is being
described from my neck of the woods is that this could very well be the
end of the world as we know it.

In my best Nailshooter/Hispanic accent: It's Butch's fault ...

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On 10/29/2012 10:42 AM, Leon wrote:
I don't doubt that this could be pretty tough but the way it is being
described from my neck of the woods is that this could very well be
the end of the world as we know it.

In my best Nailshooter/Hispanic accent: It's Butch's fault ...

It is starting to blow and rain here near the extreme NE corner of NJ,
and the center is still 100's of miles away. Irene was bad here not
because the winds were that high, although we had pretty bad power
outages. It was so bad because of the flooding from streams and rivers
overflowing (and because people had built in flood plains). Here they
expect not that much rain (still plenty for the area), but winds that
cause power outages and the long lingering they expect that will keep
power company crews from fixing the problems. PSEG has already said
they don't really expect to start fixing problems until Wednesday or
Thursday, and it may take them a week or 10 days to finish. Whether the
prediction is to lower expectations after the twin disasters last year
of Irene and the freak snowstorm, or a more realistic approach, I don't
know. SO far, so good here, though.

As far as fault - the US has far greater amounts of overhead power and
other utilities than in (denser populated) Europe. Anytime there are
winds over 30 mph, branches break and cut power lines. Apparently the
repeated costs of fixing these things (including the need for large
standby crews) is less than simply investing in underground wiring.
Just one little pet peeve.

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On 10/29/2012 10:42 AM, Leon wrote:
On 10/29/2012 9:35 AM, dpb wrote:
On 10/29/2012 8:54 AM, Leon wrote:
...

As are my wishes but my gut is telling me that this is not going to be
the "epic" storm that the forecasters are making it out to be. The
weather people seem to for get that hurricanes need warm water to form
and grow. Typically once a cold front blows through the gulf coast
hurricane season pretty much over. But, hurricane season is not
"officially" over until the calendar says so.

I don't the the "weather people" at NOAA forget anything at all about
what the mechanics of hurricanes and extra-tropical storms are...Sandy
is feeding off the Gulf Stream off the east coast and is already
something quite out of the ordinary ...
flooding can be a _very_bad_thing_ from excessive rainfall inland and
combined w/ surge near coast. I wouldn't underestimate it a bit,
meself...


Well simply lots of rain, and not from a hurricane, can have the same
flooding effect. Winds barely qualify this storm as a hurricane and it
slips in and out of hurricane status. IMHO the only thing that will make
this a costly event will be from dense population.


And I have never heard of a hurricane feeding off of any thing but warm
water. Perhaps the Gulf Stream is helping to steer the storm rather than
give it strength.

Well, duh! That's what the Gulf Stream is--a current of warm water
running up along the east coast...

As for the flooding potential, much of the damage potential is
wind-driven storm surge combined w/ excessive rainfall potential. The
unique thing of Sandy is the conjunction w/ the other strong front
onshore that has serious potential on its own. I takes the source of
oceanic moisture in such copious quantities as Sandy will provide to
have the precipitable water potential that exists as a result in this
storm system.

Having been thru the results of Camille in SW/Piedmont VA in '69 and on
rescue/recovery of the aftermath, these events are nothing to sneer at.

That the cable weather folks need air-time filling content is a pity,
agreed but there's where any fault lies, not in official NOAA
forecasting. If the masses were of any help in taking care of
themselves in very high percentages, then the government efforts to try
to get people to take precautions en masse could be less, granted.
Given the propensity of folks to not do so unless coerced almost
mandates extreme action on their part. That plus it's a given that
nobody has complete prescience on what actual consequences are going to
be a priori means one in a position of responsibility _must_ err if
anything on the side of excessive caution as opposed to the alternative
course of lack of action/warning.

--

On 10/29/2012 2:05 PM, dpb wrote:
On 10/29/2012 10:42 AM, Leon wrote:
On 10/29/2012 9:35 AM, dpb wrote:
On 10/29/2012 8:54 AM, Leon wrote:
...

As are my wishes but my gut is telling me that this is not going to be
the "epic" storm that the forecasters are making it out to be. The
weather people seem to for get that hurricanes need warm water to form
and grow. Typically once a cold front blows through the gulf coast
hurricane season pretty much over. But, hurricane season is not
"officially" over until the calendar says so.

I don't the the "weather people" at NOAA forget anything at all about
what the mechanics of hurricanes and extra-tropical storms are...Sandy
is feeding off the Gulf Stream off the east coast and is already
something quite out of the ordinary ...
flooding can be a _very_bad_thing_ from excessive rainfall inland and
combined w/ surge near coast. I wouldn't underestimate it a bit,
meself...


Well simply lots of rain, and not from a hurricane, can have the same
flooding effect. Winds barely qualify this storm as a hurricane and it
slips in and out of hurricane status. IMHO the only thing that will make
this a costly event will be from dense population.


And I have never heard of a hurricane feeding off of any thing but warm
water. Perhaps the Gulf Stream is helping to steer the storm rather than
give it strength.

Well, duh! That's what the Gulf Stream is--a current of warm water
running up along the east coast...

LOL yeah DUH. I forgot that the gulf stream was a water current, not
wind current. Gulf Stream is an airplane however. ;~)


As for the flooding potential, much of the damage potential is
wind-driven storm surge combined w/ excessive rainfall potential. The
unique thing of Sandy is the conjunction w/ the other strong front
onshore that has serious potential on its own. I takes the source of
oceanic moisture in such copious quantities as Sandy will provide to
have the precipitable water potential that exists as a result in this
storm system.

I think if the ocean water was 20 degrees warmer and or maybe the timing
2 months ago there would be some potential of a bad storm. If this
turns out to be a remembered event, it will not be because of the storm
so much as not being prepared for a storm.


Having been thru the results of Camille in SW/Piedmont VA in '69 and on
rescue/recovery of the aftermath, these events are nothing to sneer at.

Agreed, but we along the coast think in terms of wind damage. This
storm is not a strong one. And if we are counting personal experience
storms, I call Carla 1961, Beulah 1967, Celia 1970, Alicia 1983, Ike
2008, and numerous tropical storms including Allison in 2001 that was
particularity devastating to many and a non event for many others.
Allison was a rain event that lasted 10+ days with in excess of 36" of
rain in one week. I do not recall there being any wind at all.


That the cable weather folks need air-time filling content is a pity,
agreed but there's where any fault lies, not in official NOAA
forecasting. If the masses were of any help in taking care of
themselves in very high percentages, then the government efforts to try
to get people to take precautions en masse could be less, granted. Given
the propensity of folks to not do so unless coerced almost mandates
extreme action on their part. That plus it's a given that nobody has
complete prescience on what actual consequences are going to be a priori
means one in a position of responsibility _must_ err if anything on the
side of excessive caution as opposed to the alternative course of lack
of action/warning.

--

On 10/29/2012 8:54 AM, Leon wrote:
On 10/28/2012 8:23 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
For all you folks getting ready to crawl into a "huricane hole" and
wait Sandy out,
my thoughts are with you.

Best of luck.


Lew




As are my wishes but my gut is telling me that this is not going to be
the "epic" storm that the forecasters are making it out to be. The
weather people seem to for get that hurricanes need warm water to form
and grow. Typically once a cold front blows through the gulf coast
hurricane season pretty much over. But, hurricane season is not
"officially" over until the calendar says so.
With all the other preparedness, just remember a text message has a
greater chance of going through to let everyone know you survived than
does a voice call. Would suspect a lot of phone lines and power lines
will be down before it is all over with. Good luck !

In article ,
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:
As are my wishes but my gut is telling me that this is not going to be
the "epic" storm that the forecasters are making it out to be. The
weather people seem to for get that hurricanes need warm water to form
and grow. Typically once a cold front blows through the gulf coast
hurricane season pretty much over. But, hurricane season is not
"officially" over until the calendar says so.

Well, here in the UK our forecasters are predicting you getting a storm
surge of about 3.5m, 300mm of rain and the possibility of up to 1m of snow
following on in some areas. They also say unlike normal hurricanes this
storm could last for as much as 3 or four days

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On Oct 28, 9:23*pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
For all you folks getting ready to crawl into a "huricane hole" and
wait Sandy out,
my thoughts are with you.

Best of luck.

Lew

We live in NY City, in the Borough of Queens. Queens is part of Long
Island, which is 10-15 miles wide. We're a good 5-6 miles from the
water, so the storm surge won't affect us. But we do get what they
refer to as "localized" flooding, as our house is at the bottom of a
hill in pretty much every direction. Compared with real disasters, we
have had flooding that is more of an annoyance; maybe an inch at the
deepest inside the house in the two times it's happened.

So I spent most of Saturday battening down the hatches against such a
rain buildup. [it is positively howling outside as I type this, by the
way - glad I live in a brick house] I made some plywood barriers for
the doors and garage door, so that even if the water did reach the
house, it shouldn't be able to get in (very much). We have no
basement; the house is built on a slab. I've never seen the water get
higher than 8" outside , so I made the barriers comfortably higher.

Here's the Wreck angle:

It's funny the things you learn in a lifetime, and how they can be
applied in varying circumstances. I wanted the barriers to make a good
fit against the concrete at the bottom and the door frames at the
sides. Yes, especially on the sides I used furring strips to mount the
barriers and made liberal use of closed-cell weatherstripping, but I
still wanted a close fit. The barriers might need to "hold" for twenty
minutes or more until the local sewers can carry away the water.

Until quite recently I'm sure I'd have puzzled long and hard about how
to accomplish that, and still ended up with a clumsy method and a poor
job. But partially due to my occasional visits here, I have made the
acquaintance of hand planes in the last year or two. A small block
plane made short work of it, taking off just enough, just where I
needed it, and with none of the errors that I would undoubtedly made
with a saw; the kind of errors that require a "wood-stretcher" to
fix.

Planing the edge of 3/4" ply (an old beat-up piece that I've been
using as an auxiliary work surface on sawhorses) was no picnic at
first, but I tweaked the plane a little in my usual blundering way. I
made the mouth wider and the cut a little deeper; too wide and too
deep at first, of course. But eventually it felt about right.

At the bottom of the garage barrier, I could see daylight under a part
of it. I decided to graft on a piece of 1x3 on the back side, a little
lower down than the main piece. At first I figured to let the rubber
strip conform to the slight dip in the concrete, but the plane was
still on the bench. A few strokes later I had planed the board into a
slight curve, which fit the floor nicely.

I learned a year or two ago that planes could be useful, but in a
(trying-to-be) "fine woodworking" setting. This incident reminded me
that carpenters probably used planes for all manner of less "fine"
tasks as well; I can too apparently.

I used some more of my overstock of Kreg screws to put things
together, where I would certainly have used drywall screws before. I
may yet run through what seemed like a large excess when I first
ordered them. They don't "start" quite as easily, I find, but they
feel nice and secure, and they don't split the wood.

It's 10 pm here now. So far we have had absolutely no threat of
flooding, which is half the reason I put in 10 hours of work preparing
- in a sort of reverse Murphy effect, the universe conspires to make
any such work pointless. It simply hasn't rained all that much. But
the wind sounds absolutely vicious outside. I'm sure there will be
trees down and sundry other problems, with any luck not too bad.

On 10/29/2012 9:14 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
It's 10 pm here now. So far we have had absolutely no threat of
flooding, which is half the reason I put in 10 hours of work preparing
- in a sort of reverse Murphy effect, the universe conspires to make
any such work pointless. It simply hasn't rained all that much. But
the wind sounds absolutely vicious outside. I'm sure there will be
trees down and sundry other problems, with any luck not too bad.

The very best of staying high and dry to you and your family, Greg.

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On Oct 29, 10:21*pm, Swingman wrote:
On 10/29/2012 9:14 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:

It's 10 pm here now. So far we have had absolutely no threat of
flooding, which is half the reason I put in 10 hours of work preparing
- in a sort of reverse Murphy effect, the universe conspires to make
any such work pointless. It simply hasn't rained all that much. But
the wind sounds absolutely vicious outside. I'm sure there will be
trees down and sundry other problems, with any luck not too bad.

The very best of staying high and dry to you and your family, Greg.

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I'm happy to report that we (personally) came through almost without a
scratch. We got what at least for New York was some truly impressive
wind, but very little rain, which was our main concern. A cursory
inspection of the house reveals no obvious damage, and we have all of
our utilities too. Our electric wires run underground, so that doesn't
go out very easily, but I really have to find out what sort of strain-
reliefs the cable and phone companies use for their wires. The ones to
our house were whipping around violently for hours, but are still
working just fine. The floodlights I have in the back yard don't seem
to work, so I may be out a fixture, but otherwise everything seems
OK.

Now, as for the damage in the greater area, it could be a while before
I can get to work (in Manhattan), and then only once the power is
restored in that area. But overall, we personally dodged a bullet. For
that bit of luck I credit all the preparation I did; Nature has a
sense of humor and saw to it that all the barriers I built never even
got damp.

On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 05:28:17 -0700 (PDT), Greg Guarino
wrote:

On Oct 29, 10:21*pm, Swingman wrote:
On 10/29/2012 9:14 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:

It's 10 pm here now. So far we have had absolutely no threat of
flooding, which is half the reason I put in 10 hours of work preparing
- in a sort of reverse Murphy effect, the universe conspires to make
any such work pointless. It simply hasn't rained all that much. But
the wind sounds absolutely vicious outside. I'm sure there will be
trees down and sundry other problems, with any luck not too bad.

The very best of staying high and dry to you and your family, Greg.

I'm happy to report that we (personally) came through almost without a
scratch. We got what at least for New York was some truly impressive
wind, but very little rain, which was our main concern. A cursory

Excellent. Congrats on the luck.


inspection of the house reveals no obvious damage, and we have all of
our utilities too. Our electric wires run underground, so that doesn't
go out very easily, but I really have to find out what sort of strain-
reliefs the cable and phone companies use for their wires. The ones to
our house were whipping around violently for hours, but are still
working just fine.

Strain relief is usually quite good. They don't like to have to come
out to every house to repair those often.


The floodlights I have in the back yard don't seem
to work, so I may be out a fixture, but otherwise everything seems
OK.

Maybe you lucked out and flying debris only took out the bulbs.


Now, as for the damage in the greater area, it could be a while before
I can get to work (in Manhattan), and then only once the power is
restored in that area. But overall, we personally dodged a bullet. For
that bit of luck I credit all the preparation I did; Nature has a
sense of humor and saw to it that all the barriers I built never even
got damp.

Preparedness is insurance. You hope you never need it, but it's there
if you do. Also, Mr. Murphy relies on it. Even if -you're- not
prepared, -he- is, and he lets you know without a doubt.

--
No greater wrong can ever be done than to put a good man at the mercy
of a bad, while telling him not to defend himself or his fellows;
in no way can the success of evil be made quicker or surer.
--Theodore Roosevelt

"Greg Guarino" wrote:

I'm happy to report that we (personally) came through almost without
a
scratch.
--------------------------------------------------------
Congratulations.

Are you anywhere close to the fire in Queens?

Lew

On Oct 30, 5:13*pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
"Greg Guarino" wrote:
I'm happy to report that we (personally) came through almost without
a

scratch.
--------------------------------------------------------
Congratulations.

Are you anywhere close to the fire in Queens?

Lew

If you mean the one in Breezy Point, no. While only maybe 8 miles as
the crow flies, it would probably take me a half hour to drive there.
Breezy Point is on the tip of the Rockaway peninsula, a very narrow
strip of sand. While technically part of Queens, you can most easily
access that area via a bridge from Brooklyn.

On 10/29/2012 9:14 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
Snip



It's 10 pm here now. So far we have had absolutely no threat of
flooding, which is half the reason I put in 10 hours of work preparing
- in a sort of reverse Murphy effect, the universe conspires to make
any such work pointless. It simply hasn't rained all that much. But
the wind sounds absolutely vicious outside. I'm sure there will be
trees down and sundry other problems, with any luck not too bad.



Good for you Greg, preparation is 99% of the battle in most cases.

With Manhattan under water does this mean we are going to have
to bail out wall street - again?

On 10/30/2012 1:27 AM, Richard wrote:
With Manhattan under water does this mean we are going to have
to bail out wall street - again?


No, It will soon drain all on its own.

On 10/30/12 8:55 AM, Leon wrote:
On 10/30/2012 1:27 AM, Richard wrote:
With Manhattan under water does this mean we are going to have
to bail out wall street - again?


No, It will soon drain all on its own.

I think we need another bailout of Wall Street.

thank you... thank you... I'm here all week. Tip your waitress.


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On 10/30/12 10:43 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 10/30/12 8:55 AM, Leon wrote:
On 10/30/2012 1:27 AM, Richard wrote:
With Manhattan under water does this mean we are going to have
to bail out wall street - again?


No, It will soon drain all on its own.

I think we need another bailout of Wall Street.

thank you... thank you... I'm here all week. Tip your waitress.


It's better when you add the pizza parlor/comedy club ambiance. :-)


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On Oct 28, 8:23*pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
For all you folks getting ready to crawl into a "huricane hole" and
wait Sandy out,
my thoughts are with you.

Best of luck.

Lew

We went to a Hallowe'en party of sorts last night, which was planned
well before the storm. The hosts asked that we transform the party
into a donation event for some colleagues that lived in the Rockaways
( a barrier peninsula). Apparently their houses survived, but the
contents were badly damaged and there is a tremendous amount of clean-
up to do. We were asked to bring cleaning supplies, canned goods,
etc.

My wife went this morning to help cart the donated items. As she was
leaving I tossed in a hand saw and a hammer, figuring they might come
in handy in a place likely to be out of electricity for a while. As a
novice woodworker, I don't really have the skill to use more than
three hammers at a time anyway.