Larry Jaques wrote in
:

On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 16:16:17 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
wrote:

On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 06:36:00 -0500, HeyBub wrote:

Does you wife knit? If so, I ask you what do you do with 83 afghans

My wife donates them to Meals on Wheels.

Fascinating! What portion of our society eats them, pray tell?
g

--
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the
government fears the people, there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson


Storytellers. They need raw material to spin their yarns.

Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

In article ,
Mike Marlow wrote:
Oops - got on a soap box... Sorry...

I did three years of woodwork at school and not a power tool in site,
unless you count the lathe, which was only ever used for demonstrations,
or the two-foot diameter sandstone grinder for sharpening.

The first project was a boat. A piece of 3x1 about 6" long, two diagonal
saw cuts at the front to form the "sharp end" and a radiused curve at the
back for the stern, cut with a bow-saw. Two grooves were cut across it
with saw and chisel and a blind hole drilled in the middle to take a piece
of dowel for the funnel.

We then went on to learn how to use a plane - here's a piece of wood
sonny, I want it planed to these exact dimensions and it must be perfectly
straight and all edges square. Then to the plough plane and learning to
cut and use various joints - making projects which made use of those
joints.

Most of my woodwork, over the years, continued to be made with simple hand
tools although power tools were added as years went past and funds became
available. An electric drill, a small circular saw, a sander, then jig saw
and eventually a router. I still do a lot with hand tools.

I admit some of my early work was poor but I have improved much over the
years. As you say, you learn by doing and practising.

My advice to anyone is to look up local education centres and see if they
offer courses in basic woodwork, many do, and take it from there. Get
together a decent set of hand tools and worry about power tools later.

--
Stuart Winsor

Only plain text for emails
http://www.asciiribbon.org

Mike Marlow wrote:
What have you built Bill?


I bent six approximately 12" pieces of 1/2" softsteel 90 degree angles
and brazed the ends of them to two hexagonal 1" diameter "nuts".
I painted that assembly black and ran through it a straight piece of
polished brass tubing, which I had put threads on, and attached it to an
1 1/2" wide Mahogany base which I turned on a lathe and provided with a
decent varnish finish (a little heavy for my current tastes).

Added a light switch and cord, and it was out the door. It must have
been a popular project as I ran accross someone else's
on the Internet last week. I made mine in the late 70's.

Also made the 3-legged "artifical wrought iron" candle holder (from the
same soft steel, the bird feeder, and the mahogany and maple cutting
board--which mom still uses. I checked a couple times and she doesn't
recollect and it doesn't make the least bit of difference to her that I
made it. I'm glad she likes it! : )

During the same time, I built a neat project from "The Boy Electrician",
stuffed a fish (added homemade plaque--still hanging), learned to
tie fishing flies and got orientated to painting and drywall work.
Several of these instilled in me an appreciation for "a job
well-done"--which somehow I suspect is a foundation for craftmanship. I
wasn't afraid to work on my car neither--and gas was expensive then---up
to $1.58/gal!!!--I don't recall what it was at Arco.

Well, thanks for asking.

Cheers,
Bill

On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 12:35:29 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:

My wife donates them to Meals on Wheels.

Fascinating! What portion of our society eats them, pray tell?

OK, you had your joke. But believe me the shut-ins are grateful.
Linda's been donating afghans for years, as have some other women she
knows, and MOW has *never* said they had enough.

It's also a good place to donate jigsaw puzzles, books, etc..

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

Puckdropper wrote:
Larry wrote in
:

On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 16:16:17 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
wrote:

On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 06:36:00 -0500, HeyBub wrote:

Does you wife knit? If so, I ask you what do you do with 83 afghans

My wife donates them to Meals on Wheels.

Fascinating! What portion of our society eats them, pray tell?
g

No, it Heats them! And, these are people who may not be able to afford
to crank up the thermostat!



--
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the
government fears the people, there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson


Storytellers. They need raw material to spin their yarns.

Puckdropper

In article , says...

Mike Marlow wrote:

There is no substitute for getting out there and doing it. Lean from
mistakes - and nobody can advise you past those mistakes. Give up on the
idea that you can "learn" your way to being a woodworker. You can't, unless
you learn from doing. It is not the tool, it is the work.

I think that the "tools" deserve more credit. Even, and perhaps
especially, ones like straight-edges and squares. Even that
Speed-square we both use to guide our circular saws. Oh, and clamps.

Take away your air compressor and see how well you can paint a car
(maybe well enough for 18th century standards--and therein lies the
key). Try to get a board flat with a pocket knife. Try to sharpen a
plane with only your own wit.

When you go to CW (haven't been) or The Henry Ford, you see
tools--because they are important. BTW, I drew up a plan today which
I'm going to resketch it on graph paper. A T-square, another tool, would
have cut my time by 80% and improved my "template".
In short, I think tools, and knowing how to use them, have always been
an essestial part of being a craftsman. Otherwise you are left to create
fire by rubbing two sticks together (and that just uses up your
well-seasoned wood)! If you want to build things without mechanical
tools, try math. What miter do you need to cut on the ends of each of
the 6-edges to produce a regular hexagonal frame? How would you best
make the cuts? Need/want any tools? Oh, and the glue-up! : O

Anyone who thinks the tools don't count needs to go out and catch him a
grizzly bear without any.

Bill wrote:
Mike Marlow wrote:
What have you built Bill?


I bent six approximately 12" pieces of 1/2" softsteel 90 degree angles
and brazed the ends of them to two hexagonal 1" diameter "nuts".
I painted that assembly black and ran through it a straight piece of
polished brass tubing, which I had put threads on, and attached it to
an 1 1/2" wide Mahogany base which I turned on a lathe and provided
with a decent varnish finish (a little heavy for my current tastes).

Added a light switch and cord, and it was out the door. It must have
been a popular project as I ran accross someone else's
on the Internet last week. I made mine in the late 70's.

Also made the 3-legged "artifical wrought iron" candle holder (from
the same soft steel, the bird feeder, and the mahogany and maple
cutting board--which mom still uses. I checked a couple times and
she doesn't recollect and it doesn't make the least bit of difference
to her that I made it. I'm glad she likes it! : )

During the same time, I built a neat project from "The Boy
Electrician", stuffed a fish (added homemade plaque--still hanging),
learned to tie fishing flies and got orientated to painting and drywall
work.
Several of these instilled in me an appreciation for "a job
well-done"--which somehow I suspect is a foundation for craftmanship.
I wasn't afraid to work on my car neither--and gas was expensive
then---up to $1.58/gal!!!--I don't recall what it was at Arco.

Well, thanks for asking.


Now we're talkin'! Good stuff Bill.

--

-Mike-

Winterpeg, Manitscoldhere?

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"sal" wrote in message ...

I am in Winnipeg Canada LasVegas North.

Sal

J. Clarke wrote:
In , says...

Mike Marlow wrote:

There is no substitute for getting out there and doing it. Lean from
mistakes - and nobody can advise you past those mistakes. Give up on the
idea that you can "learn" your way to being a woodworker. You can't, unless
you learn from doing. It is not the tool, it is the work.

I think that the "tools" deserve more credit. Even, and perhaps
especially, ones like straight-edges and squares. Even that
Speed-square we both use to guide our circular saws. Oh, and clamps.

Take away your air compressor and see how well you can paint a car
(maybe well enough for 18th century standards--and therein lies the
key). Try to get a board flat with a pocket knife. Try to sharpen a
plane with only your own wit.

When you go to CW (haven't been) or The Henry Ford, you see
tools--because they are important. BTW, I drew up a plan today which
I'm going to resketch it on graph paper. A T-square, another tool, would
have cut my time by 80% and improved my "template".
In short, I think tools, and knowing how to use them, have always been
an essestial part of being a craftsman. Otherwise you are left to create
fire by rubbing two sticks together (and that just uses up your
well-seasoned wood)! If you want to build things without mechanical
tools, try math. What miter do you need to cut on the ends of each of
the 6-edges to produce a regular hexagonal frame? How would you best
make the cuts? Need/want any tools? Oh, and the glue-up! : O

Anyone who thinks the tools don't count needs to go out and catch him a
grizzly bear without any.

Well, Mike say's I quoted him out of context. Fair enough. I'm leaving
it at that.

On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 23:28:24 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
wrote:

On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 12:35:29 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:

My wife donates them to Meals on Wheels.

Fascinating! What portion of our society eats them, pray tell?

OK, you had your joke. But believe me the shut-ins are grateful.
Linda's been donating afghans for years, as have some other women she
knows, and MOW has *never* said they had enough.

I think it's wonderful, but I just hadda do it.


It's also a good place to donate jigsaw puzzles, books, etc..

I had no idea they'd accept articles like that. I have tons of books
for them if they need 'em.

--
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the
government fears the people, there is liberty."
Attributed to Thomas Jefferson, but Massah Ed, he doan tink it so.

On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 18:00:00 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
wrote:

Bill wrote:
Swingman wrote:
On 3/30/2012 12:46 PM, LdB wrote:

You asked for advice, here it is. The internet is just an amusing
waste of time. Turn off your computer and go build something. If
you don't like how it turned out build it again.

Waste of wood? That would be nothing compared to the value of the
time you have already wasted asking for advice that is essentially
useless to you.

Mostly agree ... especially when those asking for advice have no
idea of the level of competence/experience of the responders; nor,
because they had to ask in the first place, do they have the
experience to separate good advice from bad.

Did you observe any bad advice proffered?

Yeah, people out there are telling folks to -stain- perfectly good and
innocent wood, fer pity's sake.


there is a lot of advice given here that though it may not be bad, is not
good either. Can you tell the difference?

What's not good to some can be excellent to others, and vice versa.
It's called a difference of opinion, Mikey. Differences in ability to
explain things can make a difference to the OP, too. they might not
understand the 'good' advice yet immediately grasp the 'mediocre'.
Hearing all the different forms of advice is good for the OP. It lets
them start understanding the various levels people are coming from.
The pineywood hacker will give different advice than the veteran
hardwood woodworker or a veneer god. It's all good.

--
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the
government fears the people, there is liberty."
Attributed to Thomas Jefferson, but Massah Ed, he doan tink it so.

J. Clarke wrote:
In , says...

Mike Marlow wrote:

There is no substitute for getting out there and doing it. Lean from
mistakes - and nobody can advise you past those mistakes. Give up on the
idea that you can "learn" your way to being a woodworker. You can't, unless
you learn from doing. It is not the tool, it is the work.

I think that the "tools" deserve more credit. Even, and perhaps
especially, ones like straight-edges and squares. Even that
Speed-square we both use to guide our circular saws. Oh, and clamps.

Take away your air compressor and see how well you can paint a car
(maybe well enough for 18th century standards--and therein lies the
key). Try to get a board flat with a pocket knife. Try to sharpen a
plane with only your own wit.

When you go to CW (haven't been) or The Henry Ford, you see
tools--because they are important. BTW, I drew up a plan today which
I'm going to resketch it on graph paper. A T-square, another tool, would
have cut my time by 80% and improved my "template".
In short, I think tools, and knowing how to use them, have always been
an essestial part of being a craftsman. Otherwise you are left to create
fire by rubbing two sticks together (and that just uses up your
well-seasoned wood)! If you want to build things without mechanical
tools, try math. What miter do you need to cut on the ends of each of
the 6-edges to produce a regular hexagonal frame? How would you best
make the cuts? Need/want any tools? Oh, and the glue-up! : O

Anyone who thinks the tools don't count needs to go out and catch him a
grizzly bear without any.

It's all in the technique, right? : )

Above I asked: What miter do you need to cut on the ends of each of
the 6-edges to produce a regular hexagonal frame? How would you best
make the cuts? Oh, and the glue-up! : O

I know the measure of the miter to use to create the regular hexagaonal
frame (it's a fun little geometry problem). I honestly have not decided
how I would glue it so that the edges stay flush and flat while the
mitered edges meet perfectly. It's only a theoretical problem. But
I was thinking of glueing them two at a time clamped flat (w/sponges on
top?) , maybe the mitered ends fitting into a snug vee cut in a block to
hold them in place--this block also being clamped. Surely someone has
done better... Assume the pieces are only 1/4" thick. Otherwise, I can
imagine building something to clamp them against, perpendicular to the
grain, the force applied towards the point which is the "center of
gravity" of the frame (like around the edges of a poker table).

J. Clarke wrote:
In article , says...

Mike Marlow wrote:

There is no substitute for getting out there and doing it. Lean
from mistakes - and nobody can advise you past those mistakes.
Give up on the idea that you can "learn" your way to being a
woodworker. You can't, unless you learn from doing. It is not the
tool, it is the work.

I think that the "tools" deserve more credit. Even, and perhaps
especially, ones like straight-edges and squares. Even that
Speed-square we both use to guide our circular saws. Oh, and clamps.

Take away your air compressor and see how well you can paint a car
(maybe well enough for 18th century standards--and therein lies the
key). Try to get a board flat with a pocket knife. Try to sharpen a
plane with only your own wit.

When you go to CW (haven't been) or The Henry Ford, you see
tools--because they are important. BTW, I drew up a plan today which
I'm going to resketch it on graph paper. A T-square, another tool,
would have cut my time by 80% and improved my "template".
In short, I think tools, and knowing how to use them, have always
been an essestial part of being a craftsman. Otherwise you are left
to create fire by rubbing two sticks together (and that just uses up
your well-seasoned wood)! If you want to build things without
mechanical tools, try math. What miter do you need to cut on the
ends of each of the 6-edges to produce a regular hexagonal frame?
How would you best make the cuts? Need/want any tools? Oh, and the
glue-up! : O

Anyone who thinks the tools don't count needs to go out and catch him
a grizzly bear without any.

Of course you realize that is not what was said - don't you?

--

-Mike-

Standard Usenet confusion.

------------------
"Mike Marlow" wrote in message
...

Of course you realize that is not what was said - don't you?

On 3/29/2012 6:49 PM, sal wrote:
I hate to be a pest, one more question though. What would be the minimum
power tool requirement a woodworker should have to make simple type
furniture e.g.. footstool , bookcase, bench etc? I like to get expert advice
before I start any project. Wood is very expensive to just turn into
sawdust.

Sal



Ge Sal, you are going to get a ton of answers.

Decide for yourself what tools you will need.

Look at what you want to build and determine which tools will be needed.
That is not complicated.

Do you need to cut wood, get a saw. Do yo need holes, get a drill...

Do not go out and randomly buy a list of tools with out knowing if you
will actually need them.

On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 20:01:43 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:

I had no idea they'd accept articles like that. I have tons of books
for them if they need 'em.

Another good place for books is your local library. Or, if you have
something like it, a "Friends of the Library" group. Both sell the books
to raise funds. Problem is, of course, that we seem to buy as many as we
get rid of :-). Hard bound .50, soft .25, magazines .10 - hard to resist.

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 21:31:43 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:

Anyone who thinks the tools don't count needs to go out and catch him a
grizzly bear without any.

"You skin that one - I'll go get another."

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

Yes Leon I did I'm going to sift through them and take it easy. I do have a
contractors saw router table and plunge router , miter saw , jigsaw ,drill ,
sanders and various handtools ,

Sal

"Leon" lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in message
...
On 3/29/2012 6:49 PM, sal wrote:
I hate to be a pest, one more question though. What would be the minimum
power tool requirement a woodworker should have to make simple type
furniture e.g.. footstool , bookcase, bench etc? I like to get expert
advice
before I start any project. Wood is very expensive to just turn into
sawdust.

Sal



Ge Sal, you are going to get a ton of answers.

Decide for yourself what tools you will need.

Look at what you want to build and determine which tools will be needed.
That is not complicated.

Do you need to cut wood, get a saw. Do yo need holes, get a drill...

Do not go out and randomly buy a list of tools with out knowing if you
will actually need them.

Bill wrote:
On 3/30/2012 7:36 AM, HeyBub wrote:
sal wrote:
I hate to be a pest, one more question though. What would be the
minimum power tool requirement a woodworker should have to make
simple type furniture e.g.. footstool , bookcase, bench etc? I like
to get expert advice before I start any project. Wood is very
expensive to just turn into sawdust.


For most, making sawdust is the goal.

As for me, I am just looking for an excuse to use my hammer! ; )


Get a pneumatic nailer.

I've forgotten how to use a hammer. Thinking back, I recall it's the metal
end that's used to hit the nail.

Is that right?

On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 16:42:22 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
wrote:

On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 21:31:43 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:

Anyone who thinks the tools don't count needs to go out and catch him a
grizzly bear without any.

"You skin that one - I'll go get another."

And the other one:
"Now where's that Eskimo woman I have to wrestle?"

--
The unexamined life is not worth living.
--Socrates

HeyBub wrote:
Bill wrote:
On 3/30/2012 7:36 AM, HeyBub wrote:
sal wrote:
I hate to be a pest, one more question though. What would be the
minimum power tool requirement a woodworker should have to make
simple type furniture e.g.. footstool , bookcase, bench etc? I like
to get expert advice before I start any project. Wood is very
expensive to just turn into sawdust.


For most, making sawdust is the goal.

As for me, I am just looking for an excuse to use my hammer! ; )


Get a pneumatic nailer.

I've forgotten how to use a hammer. Thinking back, I recall it's the metal
end that's used to hit the nail.

Come on now! A nail? That's all you can think of to swing your hammer
at? : ) Honestly though, affected by what I've read here, I take
better care of my better hammers. Life was simpler back when I just had
1 hammer...


Is that right?

On 3/31/2012 12:03 PM, sal wrote:
Yes Leon I did I'm going to sift through them and take it easy. I do have a
contractors saw router table and plunge router , miter saw , jigsaw ,drill ,
sanders and various handtools ,

Sal

Well Sal, you absolutely have enough to start with, it is all gravy from
here.

HeyBub wrote:
Bill wrote:
On 3/30/2012 7:36 AM, HeyBub wrote:
sal wrote:
I hate to be a pest, one more question though. What would be the
minimum power tool requirement a woodworker should have to make
simple type furniture e.g.. footstool , bookcase, bench etc? I
like
to get expert advice before I start any project. Wood is very
expensive to just turn into sawdust.


For most, making sawdust is the goal.

As for me, I am just looking for an excuse to use my hammer! ; )


Get a pneumatic nailer.

I've forgotten how to use a hammer. Thinking back, I recall it's the
metal end that's used to hit the nail.

Is that right?

the nail or your thumb

In article , says...

HeyBub wrote:
Bill wrote:
On 3/30/2012 7:36 AM, HeyBub wrote:
sal wrote:
I hate to be a pest, one more question though. What would be the
minimum power tool requirement a woodworker should have to make
simple type furniture e.g.. footstool , bookcase, bench etc? I like
to get expert advice before I start any project. Wood is very
expensive to just turn into sawdust.


For most, making sawdust is the goal.

As for me, I am just looking for an excuse to use my hammer! ; )


Get a pneumatic nailer.

I've forgotten how to use a hammer. Thinking back, I recall it's the metal
end that's used to hit the nail.

Come on now! A nail? That's all you can think of to swing your hammer
at? : ) Honestly though, affected by what I've read here, I take
better care of my better hammers. Life was simpler back when I just had
1 hammer...

Well, you can always swing it at danger, a warning, or love between your
brothers and your sisters a-all over this land, but generally swinging
at a nail results in less chaos.

In article ,
HeyBub wrote:
Get a pneumatic nailer.

No.

Throw away all your nails.

If something has to be fixed so that it might have to come apart one day,
use decent screws.

If it's not going to have to come apart use glue.

--
Stuart Winsor

Only plain text for emails
http://www.asciiribbon.org

On 3/30/2012 2:33 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 3/30/2012 12:46 PM, LdB wrote:

You asked for advice, here it is. The internet is just an amusing waste
of time. Turn off your computer and go build something. If you don't
like how it turned out build it again.

Waste of wood? That would be nothing compared to the value of the time
you have already wasted asking for advice that is essentially useless to
you.

Mostly agree ... especially when those asking for advice have no idea of
the level of competence/experience of the responders; nor, because they
had to ask in the first place, do they have the experience to separate
good advice from bad.

Bottom line ... you can indeed learn on Usenet, including much about
woodworking, but you have to take much of the proffered advice with a
grain of salt until you can recognize those you can trust on most issues.


You'll take note of how I began my first reply to this thread!!! : )

I like to get expert advice before I start any project.

Disclaimer: I'm not an expert (and it should be easy to find people here
who will back me up on that)!

Of what you listed, a "bench may be the easiest. Assuming you mean
"workbench", as it doesn't have to compete with furniture standards.
You can buy everything you need at HomeDepot or Lowes and create a basic
one in a weekend or so. I'm still working on mine (inside joke)!
....

On 4/2/2012 7:38 AM, Bill wrote:


On 3/30/2012 2:33 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 3/30/2012 12:46 PM, LdB wrote:

You asked for advice, here it is. The internet is just an amusing waste
of time. Turn off your computer and go build something. If you don't
like how it turned out build it again.

Waste of wood? That would be nothing compared to the value of the time
you have already wasted asking for advice that is essentially useless to
you.

Mostly agree ... especially when those asking for advice have no idea of
the level of competence/experience of the responders; nor, because they
had to ask in the first place, do they have the experience to separate
good advice from bad.

Bottom line ... you can indeed learn on Usenet, including much about
woodworking, but you have to take much of the proffered advice with a
grain of salt until you can recognize those you can trust on most issues.


You'll take note of how I began my first reply to this thread!!! : )

I like to get expert advice before I start any project.

Disclaimer: I'm not an expert (and it should be easy to find people here
who will back me up on that)!

Of what you listed, a "bench may be the easiest. Assuming you mean
"workbench", as it doesn't have to compete with furniture standards.
You can buy everything you need at HomeDepot or Lowes and create a basic
one in a weekend or so. I'm still working on mine (inside joke)!

Anyone reading the post this is in reply to wouldn't have a snowball's
chance in hell of who said what.

You guys need to take the time to get your quotes right, or the
increasing ignorance of future generations attempting to read it will be
thrown them into a confused state that even big pharma can't handle.

--
www.eWoodShop.com
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
http://gplus.to/eWoodShop

Oh brother!

...and from the "expert" too! LOL

---------
"Swingman" wrote in message
...

On 4/2/2012 7:38 AM, Bill wrote:


On 3/30/2012 2:33 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 3/30/2012 12:46 PM, LdB wrote:

You asked for advice, here it is. The internet is just an amusing
waste
of time. Turn off your computer and go build something. If you
don't
like how it turned out build it again.

Waste of wood? That would be nothing compared to the value of the
time
you have already wasted asking for advice that is essentially
useless to
you.

Mostly agree ... especially when those asking for advice have no
idea of
the level of competence/experience of the responders; nor, because
they
had to ask in the first place, do they have the experience to
separate
good advice from bad.

Bottom line ... you can indeed learn on Usenet, including much about
woodworking, but you have to take much of the proffered advice with
a
grain of salt until you can recognize those you can trust on most
issues.


You'll take note of how I began my first reply to this thread!!! : )

I like to get expert advice before I start any project.

Disclaimer: I'm not an expert (and it should be easy to find people
here
who will back me up on that)!

Of what you listed, a "bench may be the easiest. Assuming you mean
"workbench", as it doesn't have to compete with furniture standards.
You can buy everything you need at HomeDepot or Lowes and create a
basic
one in a weekend or so. I'm still working on mine (inside joke)!

Anyone reading the post this is in reply to wouldn't have a snowball's
chance in hell of who said what.

You guys need to take the time to get your quotes right, or the
increasing ignorance of future generations attempting to read it will
be
thrown them into a confused state that even big pharma can't handle.

--
www.eWoodShop.com
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
http://gplus.to/eWoodShop

You guys need to take the time to get your quotes right, or the
increasing ignorance of future generations attempting to read it will be
thrown them into a confused state that even big pharma can't handle.



Well, my post may have been confounded by my pasting from one post into
another. I apologize if it left you in a confused state. It surely was
not intended.

Please allow me to also extend my apologies to any "future generations"
out there who are reading this! : ) What year did the SawStop
technology become mandated by law in the US?

Cheers from 2012,
Bill