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How to price a wine rack (Kedco KM series 24"x 46 3/8" x 38 7/8")
I am scoping out buying a custom made or existing wine rack similar to
the Kedco KM series 24"x 46 3/8" x 38 7/8" which is shown he http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...40/7387313.png I've already called Kedco who will be giving me a spec - but where do you guys go for second sourcing so you know if the price is right? What should I expect to pay for two of these wine racks if I have them custom built? |
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On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 18:08:40 +0000, Chuck Banshee wrote:
What should I expect to pay for two of these wine racks if I have them custom built? Here's a better picture closeup of the construction & materials: http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...mg/7387427.gif And, this closer closeup shows how the wood cross member is shaped: http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...mg/7387434.gif This shows what the entire rack would look like when done: http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...mg/7387437.gif Any idea what this would cost to have built? |
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On Jan 20, 10:08*am, Chuck Banshee wrote:
I am scoping out buying a custom made or existing wine rack similar to the Kedco KM series 24"x 46 3/8" x 38 7/8" which is shown he *http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...40/7387313.png I've already called Kedco who will be giving me a spec - but where do you guys go for second sourcing so you know if the price is right? What should I expect to pay for two of these wine racks if I have them custom built? The plan is kind of vague. It looks more like a store bought than custom (to me) Most cabinet shops would be able to build this type of thing but not all would be interested in doing work like that. Find a smaller shop and you should be able to get a second price. Of course expect a custom version of a store bought type to be a 3x as much, et least. Maybe look at http://www.wineracksamerica.com/ or some of the other 8,390,000 (literally) results from a Google "wine racks" search. |
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How to price a wine rack (Kedco KM series 24"x 46 3/8" x 38 7/8")
On Jan 20, 10:32*am, Chuck Banshee wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 18:08:40 +0000, Chuck Banshee wrote: What should I expect to pay for two of these wine racks if I have them custom built? Here's a better picture closeup of the construction & materials: *http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...mg/7387427.gif And, this closer closeup shows how the wood cross member is shaped: *http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...mg/7387434.gif This shows what the entire rack would look like when done: *http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...mg/7387437.gif Any idea what this would cost to have built? Good detail. This is a really specific design. It includes metal work. This type of thing is afforadble when mass produced but doing one-off it will be hard to find someone with the right skills and to get at a decent price. I did my typical quick take off. I see about $250+ in materials 20+ hrs of wood and metal labor and I would round up to 30 to be sure. If I get $50 hr shop time + 30% profit I am at $2,275 Detail: Wood material = 18bf @ $6 per Wood labor in hrs Prep wood 2 Rip wood 1 chamfer wood 2 End kerfs 2 Sand 2 Finish 4 Metal material Guess $150 Metal labor cut metal 2 cut lap kerfs in metal 2 Prep and paint 2 Project completion Assemble 3 |
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How to price a wine rack (Kedco KM series 24"x 46 3/8" x 38 7/8")
I think this is a SketchUp of the Kedco KM. I didn't open the
download: http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehou...9ac9b11a3ced9a Sonny |
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On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 12:13:02 -0800, Sonny wrote:
I think this is a SketchUp of the Kedco KM. That looks pretty similar! It's hard to tell for sure, since it's just a diagram. Here's a side view: http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...mg/7390147.gif And here's a front view: http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...mg/7390148.gif The key is pricing out what it 'should' cost! |
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How to price a wine rack (Kedco KM series 24"x 46 3/8" x 387/8")
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:49:23 -0800, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
Good detail. This is a really specific design. It includes metal work. Thank you for the quick response and analysis. Your breakdown is a very good estimate. The finished cross members would be probably from a 5/4" and net out 1 1/16" x 1 1/16". I'm concerned with the "x" cuts on the end of the pieces. Here's a closup of the X cuts: http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...mg/7390145.gif Here's another view of the x-cuts from overhead: http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...mg/7390146.gif They need to be cut exact so they flush out with the metal. How would you make the cuts on the end of the pieces. Would you use a small table saw. Is that the best way or is it too dangerous to cut it standing up? Also, someone suggested either anodized or powder coated aluminum. They feel that spray paint would eventually wear off. Which way do you guys suggest? Thanks for the help! |
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Anything under $3K and you stole it. Lew |
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On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 10:35:21 -0800, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
Most cabinet shops would be able to build this type of thing but not all would be interested in doing work like that. These photos are for a Kedco Brand called KM Series Wine Merchandiser. http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...mg/7390152.gif Kedco should have a price quote for me by Monday. Do you have an idea of who can second source this exact model? BTW, what wood does this look like to you? http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...mg/7390154.gif I'm thinking it looks like Basswood stained to a Cherry color. If I have it built myself, and since it's only about 18 BF, it might even pay to go with a different wood that has a darker/richer look. The better wood may offset the extra staining labor. Any suggestions? |
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How to price a wine rack (Kedco KM series 24"x 46 3/8" x 38 7/8")
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 12:49:23 -0700, SonomaProducts.com wrote
(in article ): On Jan 20, 10:32*am, Chuck Banshee wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 18:08:40 +0000, Chuck Banshee wrote: What should I expect to pay for two of these wine racks if I have them custom built? Here's a better picture closeup of the construction & materials: *http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...mg/7387427.gif And, this closer closeup shows how the wood cross member is shaped: *http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...mg/7387434.gif This shows what the entire rack would look like when done: *http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...mg/7387437.gif Any idea what this would cost to have built? Good detail. This is a really specific design. It includes metal work. This type of thing is afforadble when mass produced but doing one-off it will be hard to find someone with the right skills and to get at a decent price. I did my typical quick take off. I see about $250+ in materials 20+ hrs of wood and metal labor and I would round up to 30 to be sure. If I get $50 hr shop time + 30% profit I am at $2,275 Detail: Wood material = 18bf @ $6 per Wood labor in hrs Prep wood 2 Rip wood 1 chamfer wood 2 End kerfs 2 Sand 2 Finish 4 Metal material Guess $150 Metal labor cut metal 2 cut lap kerfs in metal 2 Prep and paint 2 Project completion Assemble 3 I agree with SP on his detailed breakdown. Nothing to the construction looks difficult, just very repetitive cuts. Fixtures for the crosscuts and batch slotting the metal would speed the process significantly although I think the metal work would take longer in the Prep-n-Paint stage. -Bruce |
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On Jan 20, 10:08*pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
Subject Anything under $3K and you stole it. Lew I agree. (Double that maybe?) |
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 08:19:50 -0700, Bruce wrote:
I think the metal work would take longer in the Prep-n-Paint stage. I think the aluminum in the front is anodized (gold or black). And, in the back, it's just metal wire cross members that are not visible from the front so they are NOT anodized. I've never anodized anything. Do you think paint would stay on over time? |
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How to price a wine rack (Kedco KM series 24"x 46 3/8" x 38 7/8")
On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 16:24:52 -0700, Chuck Banshee wrote
(in article ): On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 08:19:50 -0700, Bruce wrote: I think the metal work would take longer in the Prep-n-Paint stage. I think the aluminum in the front is anodized (gold or black). And, in the back, it's just metal wire cross members that are not visible from the front so they are NOT anodized. I've never anodized anything. Do you think paint would stay on over time? Depends 8^) With good prep and paint it will last a long time. The key to painting aluminum is to seal off the aluminum, kinda like a coat of shellac on problem wood. Best methods come from the aerospace industry, zinc chromate primer followed by a urethane type paint (Imron is my favorite). Not something you usually can do at home without a lot of preparation. Anodizing can be pricey and you would get the best results if done after making all the cuts, otherwise you could buy pre-anodized strips and figure a way to blend in the areas where you disturb the surface. If price is secondary, brass or copper would look nice and it would 'age' with a nice patina. Steel, although cheap, would require something like a chop saw to prep, but it also can be painted (think automotive paints) or with some creativity can get a nice patina with gun bluing techniques or heating with a propane torch to get some neat colors (then clear coating). -Bruce |
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How to price a wine rack (Kedco KM series 24"x 46 3/8" x 38 7/8")
I'm concerned with the "x" cuts on the end of the pieces. Here's a closup of the X cuts: *http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...mg/7390145.gif Here's another view of the x-cuts from overhead: *http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...mg/7390146.gif They need to be cut exact so they flush out with the metal. How would you make the cuts on the end of the pieces. Would you use a small table saw. Is that the best way or is it too dangerous to cut it standing up? The X cuts would be easy with a tenoning jig or some similar dedicated hand built jig. |
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How to price a wine rack (Kedco KM series 24"x 46 3/8" x 38 7/8")
On Friday, January 20, 2012 9:11:11 PM UTC-6, Chuck Banshee wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 10:35:21 -0800, SonomaProducts.com wrote: Most cabinet shops would be able to build this type of thing but not all would be interested in doing work like that. These photos are for a Kedco Brand called KM Series Wine Merchandiser. http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...mg/7390152.gif Kedco should have a price quote for me by Monday. Do you have an idea of who can second source this exact model? BTW, what wood does this look like to you? http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...mg/7390154.gif I'm thinking it looks like Basswood stained to a Cherry color. If I have it built myself, and since it's only about 18 BF, it might even pay to go with a different wood that has a darker/richer look. The better wood may offset the extra staining labor. Any suggestions? Just saw your posting - we owned a wine store and still have 4 of the Kedco racks to which you are referring. If you are interested, please respond to this post. |
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