This was sent to me by a cousin who also happens to be an orthopedic
surgeon.

It's worth a read.

Lew
-----------------------------------
Johns Hopkins Update -
This is an extremely good article. Everyone should read it.


AFTER YEARS OF TELLING PEOPLE CHEMOTHERAPY IS THE
ONLY WAY TO TRY ('TRY', BEING THE KEY WORD) TO
ELIMINATE CANCER, JOHNS HOPKINS IS FINALLY STARTING
TO TELL YOU THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE WAY .

Cancer Update from Johns Hopkins:

1. Every person has cancer cells in the body. These cancer
cells do not show up in the standard tests until they have
multiplied to a few billion. When doctors tell cancer patients
that there are no more cancer cells in their bodies after
treatment, it just means the tests are unable to detect the
cancer cells because they have not reached the detectable
size.

2. Cancer cells occur between 6 to more than 10 times in a
person's lifetime.

3. When the person's immune system is strong the cancer
cells will be destroyed and prevented from multiplying and
forming tumors.

4. When a person has cancer it indicates the person has
nutritional deficiencies. These could be due to genetic,
but also to environmental, food and lifestyle factors.

5. To overcome the multiple nutritional deficiencies, changing
diet to eat more adequately and healthy, 4-5 times/day
and by including supplements will strengthen the immune system.

6. Chemotherapy involves poisoning the rapidly-growing
cancer cells and also destroys rapidly-growing healthy cells
in the bone marrow, gastrointestinal tract etc, and can
cause organ damage, like liver, kidneys, heart, lungs etc.

7.. Radiation while destroying cancer cells also burns, scars
and damages healthy cells, tissues and organs.

8. Initial treatment with chemotherapy and radiation will often
reduce tumor size. However prolonged use of
chemotherapy and radiation do not result in more tumor
destruction.

9. When the body has too much toxic burden from
chemotherapy and radiation the immune system is either
compromised or destroyed, hence the person can succumb
to various kinds of infections and complications.

10. Chemotherapy and radiation can cause cancer cells to
mutate and become resistant and difficult to destroy.
Surgery can also cause cancer cells to spread to other
sites.

11. An effective way to battle cancer is to starve the cancer
cells by not feeding it with the foods it needs to multiply.

*CANCER CELLS FEED ON:

a. Sugar substitutes like NutraSweet, Equal, Spoonful, etc are made
with Aspartame and it is harmful. A better natural substitute
would be Manuka honey or molasses, but only in very small
amounts. Table salt has a chemical added to make it white in
color Better alternative is Bragg's aminos or sea salt.

b. Milk causes the body to produce mucus, especially in the
gastro-intestinal tract. Cancer feeds on mucus. By cutting
off milk and substituting with unsweetened soy milk cancer
cells are being starved.

c. Cancer cells thrive in an acid environment. A meat-based
diet is acidic and it is best to eat fish, and a little other meat,
like chicken. Meat also contains livestock
antibiotics, growth hormones and parasites, which are all
harmful, especially to people with cancer.

d. A diet made of 80% fresh vegetables and juice, whole
grains, seeds, nuts and a little fruits help put the body into
an alkaline environment. About 20% can be from cooked
food including beans. Fresh vegetable juices provide live
enzymes that are easily absorbed and reach down to
cellular levels within 15 minutes to nourish and enhance
growth of healthy cells. To obtain live enzymes for building
healthy cells try and drink fresh vegetable juice (most
vegetables including be an sprouts) and eat some raw
vegetables 2 or 3 times a day. Enzymes are destroyed at
temperatures of 104 degrees F (40 degrees C)..

e. Avoid coffee, tea, and chocolate, which have high
caffeine Green tea is a better alternative and has cancer
fighting properties. Water-best to drink purified water, or
filtered, to avoid known toxins and heavy metals in tap
water. Distilled water is acidic, avoid it.

12. Meat protein is difficult to digest and requires a lot of
digestive enzymes. Undigested meat remaining in the
intestines becomes putrefied and leads to more toxic
buildup.

13. Cancer cell walls have a tough protein covering. By
refraining from or eating less meat it frees more enzymes
to attack the protein walls of cancer cells and allows the
body's killer cells to destroy the cancer cells.

14. Some supplements build up the immune system
(IP6, Flor-ssence, Essiac, anti-oxidants, vitamins, minerals,
EFAs etc.) to enable the bodies own killer cells to destroy
cancer cells.. Other supplements like vitamin E are known
to cause apoptosis, or programmed cell death, the body's
normal method of disposing of damaged, unwanted, or
unneeded cells.

15. Cancer is a disease of the mind, body, and spirit.
A proactive and positive spirit will help the cancer warrior
be a survivor. Anger, un-forgiveness and bitterness put
the body into a stressful and acidic environment. Learn to
have a loving and forgiving spirit. Learn to relax and enjoy
life.

16. Cancer cells cannot thrive in an oxygenated
environment. Exercising daily, and deep breathing help to
get more oxygen down to the cellular level. Oxygen
therapy is another means employed to destroy cancer
cells.

1. No plastic containers in micro.

2. No water bottles in freezer.

3. No plastic wrap in microwave..

Johns Hopkins has recently sent this out in its newsletters. This
information is being circulated at Walter Reed Army Medical Center as
well. Dioxin
chemicals cause cancer, especially breast cancer. Dioxins are highly
poisonous to the cells of our bodies. Don't freeze your plastic
bottles with
water in them as this releases dioxins from the plastic. Recently, Dr
Edward
Fujimoto, Wellness Program Manager at Castle Hospital , was on a TV
program
to explain this health hazard. He talked about dioxins and how bad
they are
for us. He said that we should not be heating our food in the
microwave
using plastic containers. This especially applies to foods that
contain fat
He said that the combination of fat, high heat, and plastics releases
dioxin into the food and ultimately into the cells of the body.
Instead, he
recommends using glass, such as Corning Ware, Pyrex or ceramic
containers for
heating food You get the same results, only without the dioxin. So
such
things as TV dinners, instant ramen and soups, etc., should be
removed from the
container and heated in something else. Paper isn't bad but you don't
know
what is in the paper. It's just safer to use tempered glass, Corning
Ware,
etc. He reminded us that a while ago some of the fast food
restaurants
moved away from the foam containers to paper The dioxin problem is
one of the
reasons.
Please share this with your whole email list.........................
Also, he pointed out that plastic wrap, such as Saran, is just as
dangerous when placed over foods to be cooked in the microwave. As
the food is
nuked, the high heat causes poisonous toxins to actually melt out of
the
plastic wrap and drip into the food. Cover food with a paper towel
instead.

This is an article that should be sent to anyone important in your
life.

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
b.com...
This was sent to me by a cousin who also happens to be an orthopedic
surgeon.

It's worth a read.

Yes. Thanks!

In article , lid says...
"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
b.com...
This was sent to me by a cousin who also happens to be an orthopedic
surgeon.

It's worth a read.

Yes. Thanks!

It's a hoax. See Snopes:

http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/cancerupdate.asp

No such article was ever published by Johns Hopkins, and most of the
content is standard alt-med deception and misinformation.

For a point-by-point debunking from Johns Hopkins, see:

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/kimme...events/feature
d/cancer_update_email_it_is_a_hoax.html


--
John

John Santos wrote:
In article , lid says...
"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
b.com...
This was sent to me by a cousin who also happens to be an orthopedic
surgeon.

It's worth a read.

Yes. Thanks!

It's a hoax. See Snopes:

http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/cancerupdate.asp

No such article was ever published by Johns Hopkins, and most of the
content is standard alt-med deception and misinformation.

For a point-by-point debunking from Johns Hopkins, see:

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/kimme...events/feature
d/cancer_update_email_it_is_a_hoax.html

Thanks for finding this.

"The Truth about the "Cancer Update" Email

It has become such a problem, that the National Cancer Institute, American
Cancer Society, and individual cancer centers like the Johns Hopkins Kimmel
Cancer Center have posted warnings on their Web sites. Emails offering easy
remedies for avoiding and curing cancer are the latest Web-influenced trend.
To gain credibility, the anonymous authors falsely attribute their work to
respected research institutions like Johns Hopkins. This is the case with
the so-called "Cancer Update from Johns Hopkins."

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/kimme...is_a_hoax.html

"John Santos" wrote in message
.. .
In article , lid says...
"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
b.com...
This was sent to me by a cousin who also happens to be an orthopedic
surgeon.

It's worth a read.

Yes. Thanks!

It's a hoax. See Snopes:

http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/cancerupdate.asp

No such article was ever published by Johns Hopkins, and most of the
content is standard alt-med deception and misinformation.

For a point-by-point debunking from Johns Hopkins, see:

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/kimme...events/feature
d/cancer_update_email_it_is_a_hoax.html


--
John


Damn!

--
" Well you can't trust a special like the old time coppers
When you can't find your way 'ome"

"Lobby Dosser" writes:
"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
eb.com...
This was sent to me by a cousin who also happens to be an orthopedic
surgeon.

It's worth a read.

Yes. Thanks!


Talk to your doctor first, before you follow the quack advice from
some internet posting. Just ask Steve Jobs.

scott

(Scott Lurndal) wrote in news:qSCrq.24765$G84.5523
@news.usenetserver.com:

"Lobby Dosser" writes:
"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
web.com...
This was sent to me by a cousin who also happens to be an orthopedic
surgeon.

It's worth a read.

Yes. Thanks!


Talk to your doctor first, before you follow the quack advice from
some internet posting. Just ask Steve Jobs.

scott

+10

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Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

I just glanced at the original post. One thing that caught my eye was that
chocolate was bad.. That is al I needed to know. If a program bans
chocolate, I am not going to do it. There is lots of studies that say
chocolate is good for you. The fat and sugar may be bad, but the chocolate
it self is very good for you.

Beside, how are you going to live with women without chocolate?

"Lee Michaels" leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net wrote in
eb.com:


I just glanced at the original post. One thing that caught my eye was
that chocolate was bad.. That is al I needed to know. If a program
bans chocolate, I am not going to do it. There is lots of studies
that say chocolate is good for you. The fat and sugar may be bad, but
the chocolate it self is very good for you.

Beside, how are you going to live with women without chocolate?

I agree, Lee, althoughit trivializes the nonsense spouted.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Baloney! Some compounds in chocolate are stated good for certain problems.


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"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
eb.com...


I just glanced at the original post. One thing that caught my eye was that
chocolate was bad.. That is al I needed to know. If a program bans
chocolate, I am not going to do it. There is lots of studies that say
chocolate is good for you. The fat and sugar may be bad, but the chocolate
it self is very good for you.

Beside, how are you going to live with women without chocolate?

I watched an interesting news cast on candy. It turns out that
chocolate is on the good list for cavities. The worst - sour whatever.

It is due to the PH of the candy - sour is way down and eats teeth
alive. Chocolate is better as it is near neutral and has an oil that
protects the teeth.

Martin

On 10/31/2011 5:22 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:

I just glanced at the original post. One thing that caught my eye was
that chocolate was bad.. That is al I needed to know. If a program bans
chocolate, I am not going to do it. There is lots of studies that say
chocolate is good for you. The fat and sugar may be bad, but the
chocolate it self is very good for you.

Beside, how are you going to live with women without chocolate?

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in news:4eae3102$0$9792
:

This was sent to me by a cousin who also happens to be an orthopedic
surgeon.

It's worth a read.

Lew

You are contributing to lies. Stick to woodworking. This is not a joke.

There is indeed an immunological aspect to cancer, as well as an oxygen
aspect, and many bad substances can contribute to cancer. Once you have a
mutation leading to, say CML, a diet can't help you. Perhaps Steve Jobs is
an example. He delayed having surgery FAR, FAR too long in favor of
alternative crooked medicine, and he did eventually die, but could have
lived much longer had he had immediate surgery of his rather tame cancer.
Alternative medicine may help conventional medicine, but in the case of
cancer it can't substitute.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Your "conventional medicine" kills hundreds of people every day. There
is a reason so many alternative therapies exist.

The Johns Hopkins website rebuttal didn't address most of the
statements. Doctors do not like competition threatening their incomes.


------------------
"Han" wrote in message ...
You are contributing to lies. Stick to woodworking. This is not a
joke.

There is indeed an immunological aspect to cancer, as well as an oxygen
aspect, and many bad substances can contribute to cancer. Once you
have a
mutation leading to, say CML, a diet can't help you. Perhaps Steve
Jobs is
an example. He delayed having surgery FAR, FAR too long in favor of
alternative crooked medicine, and he did eventually die, but could have
lived much longer had he had immediate surgery of his rather tame
cancer.
Alternative medicine may help conventional medicine, but in the case of
cancer it can't substitute.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

"m II" wrote in :

Your "conventional medicine" kills hundreds of people every day. There
is a reason so many alternative therapies exist.

That is a non-sequitur. And no references. Yes, **** happens. Yes, there
are unscrupulous as well as stupid doctors. But that doesn't mean
conventional medicine kills people, it means crooks are about.

The Johns Hopkins website rebuttal didn't address most of the
statements. Doctors do not like competition threatening their incomes.

I don't need Johns Hopkins rebuttals to /know/ that Lew distributed
nonsense. I just have appropriate knowledge. And, yes "miracles" happen.
People do get better from really bad diseases without a satisfactory
explanation. But 99% do not.


--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

The only "miracle" is that much of the public will still pay for the
floundering of the "conventional medicine" quacks pretending to "cure"
people.

Even your email address has become an invalid.


------------
"Han" wrote in message
...
That is a non-sequitur. And no references. Yes, **** happens. Yes,
there
are unscrupulous as well as stupid doctors. But that doesn't mean
conventional medicine kills people, it means crooks are about.

I don't need Johns Hopkins rebuttals to /know/ that Lew distributed
nonsense. I just have appropriate knowledge. And, yes "miracles"
happen.
People do get better from really bad diseases without a satisfactory
explanation. But 99% do not.


--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

ROFLMAO

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"Eric" wrote in message ...

Even your email address has become an invalid.


------------
"Han" wrote in message
...

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On Oct 31, 1:48*pm, "Eric" wrote:
The only "miracle" is that much of the public will still pay for the
floundering of the "conventional medicine" quacks pretending to "cure"
people.

Taking one extreme view or the other helps no-one. You've got to think
critically. This link may be useful to you:

http://www.badscience.net/

Writing off 'conventional medicine' due to opinion is silly, equally
as silly as accepting 'alternative medicine' as viable due to someone
else's opinion.

For what it's worth, I tend to think of medicine as falling into two
categories too, but my categories a

1. Evidence-based medicine, and
2. Wishfull-thinking based bull****.

There is also a US based site:

http://www.theskepticsguide.org/

a group of people including doctors, who pull-apart quackery.

But please don't think that the OPs forwarded letter is of any value
when it contains such glaring errors as

"Milk causes the body to produce mucus, especially in the
gastro-intestinal tract. Cancer feeds on mucus. By cutting
off milk and substituting with unsweetened soy milk cancer
cells are being starved."

Where-else other than the gastro-intestinal tract would mucus be
produced?
DOES cancer really "feed on mucus"?

And the even more-established-to-be-bull****:

"Meat protein is difficult to digest and requires a lot of
digestive enzymes. Undigested meat remaining in the
intestines becomes putrefied and leads to more toxic
buildup."

Meat IS NOT difficult to digest. It may take longer, but this is a
GOOD THING as it mean you don't feel hungry so often.
How does undigested meat stay in the intestines? Why wouldn't
peristaltic action shift it all along the gut?

I am not trying to attack you personally, just combat bull****.

"Eric" wrote in news:j8m8v5$r0h$1
@speranza.aioe.org:

The only "miracle" is that much of the public will still pay for the
floundering of the "conventional medicine" quacks pretending to "cure"
people.

There are still diseases for which there are no really good treatments.
And sometimes the symptoms of a simple problem are very confusing,
especially in the setting of multiple problems. A gallstone or inflamed
appendix are "conventional" problems that can be difficult to pinpoint.
That doesn't mean the patient is orrational or the doctor is a quack. It
does mean there is a rather easy cure (most of the time), once properly
diagnosed.

I have heard that veterinarians can treat their patients easier than human
doctors, because the patient can't talk like a human.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On Oct 31, 8:54*am, "m II" wrote:
Your "conventional medicine" kills hundreds of people every day.

True. They also cure hundreds of thousands every day.

Alternative therapies kill hundreds of people every day. They
contribute to the deaths of thousands more by discouraging them
from using conventional medical approaches. Steve Jobs, for
instance.

And unlike conventional medications, they cure no one.

Those that did, became conventional medication .

There
is a reason so many alternative therapies exist.

Yes. It is same reason why Ponzi schemes and bait an switch
cons exist. There's a new sucker born every minute.

--

FF

"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
...
True. They also cure hundreds of thousands every day.

Alternative therapies kill hundreds of people every day. They
contribute to the deaths of thousands more by discouraging them
from using conventional medical approaches. Steve Jobs, for
instance.

And unlike conventional medications, they cure no one.

Those that did, became conventional medication .


Yes. It is same reason why Ponzi schemes and bait an switch
cons exist. There's a new sucker born every minute.
----

Nonsense.

Get your facts straight. Steve Jobs prognosis was poor and "alternative
therapies" may have prolonged his life almost seven years longer than
"conventional medicine".

Even an "Oncologist" recommended a herbal preparation. Conventional Doctors
are mostly useless with pancreatic cancer and Steve Jobs as a rich,
intelligent man, took his best shot.

Second guessing why he died was moot. He was certainly going to die using
conventional medicine.

Read up and stop guessing.

--

KKK

"Kris K. Kaput0" wrote in
:

"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
..
. True. They also cure hundreds of thousands every day.

Alternative therapies kill hundreds of people every day. They
contribute to the deaths of thousands more by discouraging them
from using conventional medical approaches. Steve Jobs, for
instance.

And unlike conventional medications, they cure no one.

Those that did, became conventional medication .


Yes. It is same reason why Ponzi schemes and bait an switch
cons exist. There's a new sucker born every minute.
----

Nonsense.

Get your facts straight. Steve Jobs prognosis was poor and
"alternative therapies" may have prolonged his life almost seven years
longer than "conventional medicine".

Even an "Oncologist" recommended a herbal preparation. Conventional
Doctors are mostly useless with pancreatic cancer and Steve Jobs as a
rich, intelligent man, took his best shot.

Second guessing why he died was moot. He was certainly going to die
using conventional medicine.

Read up and stop guessing.

--

KKK

You're indeed Kaput. (sory, coyuldn't resist)
Second guessing is always second best, but in Jobs' case surgery was
likely the best treatment, and sooner rather than later. Would you like
to participate in a trial that compares herbal treatment vs "convential"
therapy for PC?

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On Nov 4, 3:19*pm, "Kris K. Kaput0" wrote:
"Fred the Red Shirt" *wrote in ...
True. *They also cure hundreds of thousands every day.

Alternative therapies kill hundreds of people every day. * They
contribute to the deaths of thousands more by discouraging them
from using conventional medical approaches. * Steve Jobs, for
instance.

And unlike conventional medications, they cure no one.

Those that did, became conventional medication .

Yes. *It is same reason why Ponzi schemes and *bait an switch
cons exist. *There's a new sucker born every minute.
----

Nonsense.

Get your facts straight. Steve Jobs prognosis was poor and "alternative
therapies" may have prolonged his life almost seven years longer than
"conventional medicine".

To the contrary Jobs had a Neuroendocrine tumor, which is normally far
less aggressive than malignant neoplasm of the pancreas. It is
commonly
said that more people die with it than of. It is not unusual to
discover
tumors of that sort during autopsies of persons deceased from other
causes
and who were never diagnosed with pancreatic cancer.

Since Jobs' cancer was abnormally aggressive, if we should suspect
the 'alternative' treatment did anything, we should suspect it
hastened
his death,


Even an "Oncologist" recommended a herbal preparation.

One who refuses to allow you to use his name I suppose?


Second guessing why he died was moot. He was certainly going to die using
conventional medicine.

Read up and stop guessing.

(non) Doctor, take your own advice.

--

FF

On 10/31/2011 6:22 AM, Han wrote:
"Lew wrote in news:4eae3102$0$9792
:

This was sent to me by a cousin who also happens to be an orthopedic
surgeon.

It's worth a read.

Lew

You are contributing to lies. Stick to woodworking. This is not a joke.

There is indeed an immunological aspect to cancer, as well as an oxygen
aspect, and many bad substances can contribute to cancer. Once you have a
mutation leading to, say CML, a diet can't help you. Perhaps Steve Jobs is
an example. He delayed having surgery FAR, FAR too long in favor of
alternative crooked medicine, and he did eventually die, but could have
lived much longer had he had immediate surgery of his rather tame cancer.
Alternative medicine may help conventional medicine, but in the case of
cancer it can't substitute.


You took the words right out of my mouth about Steve Jobs.

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"Lew Hodgett" wrote:

This was sent to me by a cousin who also happens to be an
orthopedic
surgeon.

It's worth a read.
---------------------------------
"Han" wrote:
You are contributing to lies. Stick to woodworking. This is not a
joke.
--------------------------------------
The operative phrase is "It's worth a read".

Personally, about all I found useful was to use glass containers in a
microwave.

Lew

On 10/31/2011 6:05 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Lew Hodgett" wrote:

This was sent to me by a cousin who also happens to be an
orthopedic
surgeon.

It's worth a read.
---------------------------------
"Han" wrote:
You are contributing to lies. Stick to woodworking. This is not a
joke.
--------------------------------------
The operative phrase is "It's worth a read".

The point was, it's *not* worth reading.

Doug Miller wrote in news:j8n7ir$k3v$1
@dont-email.me:

On 10/31/2011 6:05 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Lew Hodgett" wrote:

This was sent to me by a cousin who also happens to be an
orthopedic
surgeon.

It's worth a read.
---------------------------------
"Han" wrote:
You are contributing to lies. Stick to woodworking. This is not a
joke.
--------------------------------------
The operative phrase is "It's worth a read".

The point was, it's *not* worth reading.

Sorry, Lew, I have toagree with Doug ...
Thanks Doug!!

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

I would like somebody to show me a case where a pancreatic cancer patient
was cured going to a chem/cut doctor. You know the all God worshipped,
"conventional medicine" doctors.

Some cancers alternative medicines have better results than "conventional
quackery"

----------------
"Han" wrote in message ...
You are contributing to lies. Stick to woodworking. This is not a joke.

There is indeed an immunological aspect to cancer, as well as an oxygen
aspect, and many bad substances can contribute to cancer. Once you have a
mutation leading to, say CML, a diet can't help you. Perhaps Steve Jobs is
an example. He delayed having surgery FAR, FAR too long in favor of
alternative crooked medicine, and he did eventually die, but could have
lived much longer had he had immediate surgery of his rather tame cancer.
Alternative medicine may help conventional medicine, but in the case of
cancer it can't substitute.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On Nov 1, 9:12*pm, "Josepi" wrote:
I would like somebody to show me a case where a pancreatic cancer patient
was cured going to a chem/cut doctor. You know the all God worshipped,
"conventional medicine" doctors.

Some cancers alternative medicines have better results than "conventional
quackery"

Put-up or shut-up! All you have to do is present compelling evidence
so we can all look at it!

"conventional medicine" is /anything/ that can be shown to repeatedly
work better than a placebo. If there is any bull**** in there, science
will weed it out, and this is what a lot of alternakooks don't like.
They can't stand someone telling them "You are wrong, and this is
why...".

To paraphrase Carl Sagan "Science is more a way of thinking than it is
a body of knowledge".

I ask you to show me one example and your response is "Put-up or shut-up!"?
Pathetic.


Your definition is flawed the "conventional medicine" only shows what worked
for their "worked better than placebo" tests, as I indicated previously. A
majority of medical testing does not use placebos or double blinded studies.
Much of it uses the same study methods as Alternative medicine techniques.
You have been duped by the Medical Mafia.

I stick with what works. Sometimes it is "conventional" and sometimes
intelligent medicine techniques. I don't like using "better than placebo"
techniques when some have died using them. Get your swine flu vaccine, yet?


----------
"David Paste" wrote in message
...

Put-up or shut-up! All you have to do is present compelling evidence
so we can all look at it!

"conventional medicine" is /anything/ that can be shown to repeatedly
work better than a placebo. If there is any bull**** in there, science
will weed it out, and this is what a lot of alternakooks don't like.
They can't stand someone telling them "You are wrong, and this is
why...".

To paraphrase Carl Sagan "Science is more a way of thinking than it is
a body of knowledge".

------------
On Nov 1, 9:12 pm, "Josepi" wrote:
I would like somebody to show me a case where a pancreatic cancer patient
was cured going to a chem/cut doctor. You know the all God worshipped,
"conventional medicine" doctors.

Some cancers alternative medicines have better results than "conventional
quackery"

On Nov 2, 1:54*am, "Josepi" wrote:

I ask you to show me one example and your response is "Put-up or shut-up!"?
Pathetic.

You're the one making the claim:

"Some cancers alternative medicines have better results than
"conventional quackery" "

You make the claim, you provide the evidence!

Your definition is flawed the "conventional medicine" only shows what worked
for their "worked better than placebo" tests, as I indicated previously.

I don't know what you mean here / what your point is, please can you
clarify.

A majority of medical testing does not use placebos or double blinded studies.

Bull****. Prove it. I would imagine that in the US market, with it's
hungry lawyers, ANY chink in the armour of testing is going to be
ruthlessly exploited. Your previous sentence is laughable.

Much of it uses the same study methods as Alternative medicine techniques..
You have been duped by the Medical Mafia.

Ha ha ha, whatever. You keep saying things you can't prove! If you
think you can, please present your evidence. I'm happy to evaluate new
evidence.

I stick with what works. Sometimes it is "conventional" and sometimes
intelligent medicine techniques.

So conventional medicine isn't intelligent? Can you please give me a
few examples of what you would regard as 'intelligent' medicine. I am
genuinely interested in your thoughts here.

I don't like using "better than placebo"
techniques when some have died using them.

Yeah, and people who have used bull**** of all bull****s - homoeopathy
- have died as a result too! So what's your point? That people get
sick and die? No, really? Do they?!

Get your swine flu vaccine, yet?

No, why would I? Are you assuming that I need one?

I think you're a troll.

On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 22:24:16 -0700, Lew Hodgett wrote:

This was sent to me by a cousin who also happens to be an orthopedic
surgeon.

BS! You've been scammed Lew - and you fell for it. Or else your
computer has been hijacked. I always suspect a hijack when I see
"MISMATCH" in a posting path.

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

On Oct 31, 1:24*am, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
This was sent to me by a cousin who also happens to be an orthopedic
surgeon.

Lew, did you get it from YOUR cousin, or did you just leave that in
the chain letter?

Maybe it's just me, but I prefer to get my cancer advice from an
oncologist.

Would you go to an oncologist for advice on knee surgery?

See more below:

...

*CANCER CELLS FEED *ON:

a. Sugar substitutes like NutraSweet, Equal, *Spoonful, etc are made
with Aspartame and it is *harmful. A *better natural substitute
would be Manuka honey or molasses, but *only in very small
amounts. Table salt has a chemical added to make *it white in
color Better alternative is Bragg's aminos or sea *salt.



This is literally dead wrong.

Honey is mostly fructose and recent research has shown that
pancreatic cancer cells react differently to fructose than they
do to glucose.

The cancer cells thrive on either sugar. But when fed fructose
they divide (multiply). This word was done on laboratory cultures,
the cancer cells may behave differently in vivo. But it does rather
strongly imply that high fructose foods are best avoided by people
with pancreatic cancer.

It does not mean that fructose causes pancreatic cancer.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...080204793.html

Some of the information in that chain letter may be true, maybe not.

But I strongly doubt that ANY of it came from ANY physician, let
alone one from Johns Hopkins. It reads like run-of-the-mill New-Age
Bull****.

Oh and table salt does NOT have something added to it to make it
white.

--

FF

"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote:

Lew, did you get it from YOUR cousin, or did you just leave that in
the chain letter?

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Got it from a cousin, passed it on as "worth a read".

Lew

In article om,
Lew Hodgett wrote:

"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote:

Lew, did you get it from YOUR cousin, or did you just leave that in
the chain letter?

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Got it from a cousin, passed it on as "worth a read".

Lew




Better stick to gasoline prices.

--
Make it as simple as possible, but not simpler. (Albert Einstein)

Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org

On Nov 4, 2:55*pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote:

Lew, did you get it from YOUR cousin, or did you just leave that in

the chain letter?

----------------------------
Got it from a cousin, passed it on as "worth a read".

Lew

I though the doctors at Johns Hopkins were better than that.
Certainly
that has been my experience. The administration and staff sucked,
but
the doctors were excellent.

--

FF

On 11/4/2011 6:58 PM, Fred the Red Shirt wrote:
On Nov 4, 2:55 pm, "Lew wrote:
"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote:

Lew, did you get it from YOUR cousin, or did you just leave that in

the chain letter?

----------------------------
Got it from a cousin, passed it on as "worth a read".

Lew

I though the doctors at Johns Hopkins were better than that.

They are. Go back and read the whole thread. The email is a hoax,
thoroughly debunked years ago. Johns Hopkins had nothing whatever to do
with it.

On Nov 4, 6:31*pm, Fred the Red Shirt wrote:

[snip]

You might like this guy:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ars?CMP=twt_fd

Evasive article writer but tends to support alternative therapies (evidence
based medicine), for sure. He isn't the first writer to expose how the
PharmaGiants and Medical groups hide their failed testing results.

Thanks

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"David Paste" wrote in message
...

On Nov 4, 6:31 pm, Fred the Red Shirt wrote:

[snip]

You might like this guy:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ars?CMP=twt_fd

On Nov 5, 2:44*am, "Josepi" wrote:
Evasive article writer but tends to support alternative therapies (evidence
based medicine), for sure. He isn't the first writer to expose how the
PharmaGiants and Medical groups hide their failed testing results.

Thanks

He's anything but evasive. Ben Goldacre is known as the kind of person
who will call-out any ******** and be right up-front with very good
questions.