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Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
The ridiculously frivolous suit of an ignorant laborer injured because of
stupidity has been upheld at the Appellate Court: http://www.ca1.uscourts.gov/pdf.opin...-1824P-01A.pdf -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
On 10/8/2011 10:42 AM, Han wrote:
The ridiculously frivolous suit of an ignorant laborer injured because of stupidity has been upheld at the Appellate Court: http://www.ca1.uscourts.gov/pdf.opin...-1824P-01A.pdf I expect this will eventually wind up in the Supreme Court, where it will be overturned. |
Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
On 10/8/2011 9:42 AM, Han wrote:
The ridiculously frivolous suit of an ignorant laborer injured because of stupidity has been upheld at the Appellate Court: http://www.ca1.uscourts.gov/pdf.opin...-1824P-01A.pdf As I said on another forum this morning with regard to the Osario case, lawyers routinely abuse the judicial system as a part of their business model. -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop |
Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
On 08 Oct 2011 14:42:57 GMT, Han wrote:
The ridiculously frivolous suit of an ignorant laborer injured because of stupidity has been upheld at the Appellate Court: http://www.ca1.uscourts.gov/pdf.opin...-1824P-01A.pdf As Mark Twain and others have said, "First, we shoot all the lawyers" Guilty parties he 1. Whoever removed the blade guard - I can rip boards with the blade guard in place. The things that requre removal of the guard (rabbet on a flooring transition piece) are so infrequent tha I have to stop and think about how the guard is removed. 2. The injured employee for being stupid (using a saw without a blade guard). Unfortunately, our society makes "stupidity" a suitable trait for litigation: blame anyone but me. 3. The employer for not buying a SawStop shop saw for use on a job site - physically impractical if not impossible. The contractor version of the SawStop is a recent addition to the line. 4. The "expert witness" who obviously has a monetary interest in this case (publicly faulting the competition). His connection with a competing product automatically makes him a biased witness and his testimon should not have been allowed. That would have forced the blame back to parties 1 or 3, none of whom have pockets as deep as Ryobi and the lawyers would have gotten their cut of a much smaller pie. If the injured employee removed the guard, he has no case. I predict that the Supreme Court will rule along the lines of the testimony of the expert witness was biased and thus not acceptable. John |
Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 12:31:13 -0400, news wrote:
Guilty parties he 1. Whoever removed the blade guard - I can rip boards with the blade guard in place. The things that requre removal of the guard (rabbet on a flooring transition piece) are so infrequent tha I have to stop and think about how the guard is removed. 2. The injured employee for being stupid (using a saw without a blade guard). Wasn't this the one where the plaintiff was not only ripping without the guard, he was ripping without a rip fence? -- Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw |
Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
On Oct 8, 12:31*pm, wrote:
I predict that the Supreme Court will rule along the lines of the testimony of the expert witness was biased and thus not acceptable. I think it's a fairly safe bet that the Supreme Court will overturn it. I'm glad the suit happened, though, and got so much attention. The major tool companies have had plenty of time to start retooling and upgrading safety since SawStop came on the scene. They've known which way the wind was blowing and something needed to be shaken loose. R |
Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
On 10/8/2011 12:58 PM, RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 8, 12:31 pm, wrote: I predict that the Supreme Court will rule along the lines of the testimony of the expert witness was biased and thus not acceptable. I think it's a fairly safe bet that the Supreme Court will overturn it. I'm glad the suit happened, though, and got so much attention. The major tool companies have had plenty of time to start retooling and upgrading safety since SawStop came on the scene. They've known which way the wind was blowing and something needed to be shaken loose. R The problem with this seems to be that Sawstop has the technology very thoroughly patented, and is not willing to license for anything reasonable, then they start a suit to result in their tech being required. My understanding is that the principal in Sawstop is actually a patent lawyer. Stuart |
Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
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Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
Han wrote:
The ridiculously frivolous suit of an ignorant laborer injured because of stupidity has been upheld at the Appellate Court: http://www.ca1.uscourts.gov/pdf.opin...-1824P-01A.pdf This may be the beginning of the end of reasonably priced table saws for occasional users like me. I still have my hand saws. -- Gerald Ross What's a nice girl like you doing in a dirty mind like mine? |
Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 13:28:30 -0400, Stuart Wheaton
wrote: On 10/8/2011 12:58 PM, RicodJour wrote: On Oct 8, 12:31 pm, wrote: I predict that the Supreme Court will rule along the lines of the testimony of the expert witness was biased and thus not acceptable. I think it's a fairly safe bet that the Supreme Court will overturn it. I'm glad the suit happened, though, and got so much attention. The major tool companies have had plenty of time to start retooling and upgrading safety since SawStop came on the scene. They've known which way the wind was blowing and something needed to be shaken loose. R The problem with this seems to be that Sawstop has the technology very thoroughly patented, and is not willing to license for anything reasonable, then they start a suit to result in their tech being required. My understanding is that the principal in Sawstop is actually a patent lawyer. You're three for three. |
Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
On 08 Oct 2011 14:42:57 GMT, Han wrote:
The ridiculously frivolous suit of an ignorant laborer injured because of stupidity has been upheld at the Appellate Court: http://www.ca1.uscourts.gov/pdf.opin...-1824P-01A.pdf What ever happened to the good old days when you did something stupid it was your own damn fault! News' mention of Mark Twain's quote "First, we shoot all the lawyers" should definitely be the first step. |
Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 12:49:26 -0500, dpb wrote:
On 10/8/2011 11:31 AM, wrote: ... I predict that the Supreme Court will rule along the lines of the testimony of the expert witness was biased and thus not acceptable. ... _EXTREMELY_ unlikely US Supreme Court would even agree to hear such a case imo... The ACLU should be all over Gass for attempting to take away the civil liberties of people and companies. -- I merely took the energy it takes to pout and wrote some blues. --Duke Ellington |
Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
On Oct 8, 1:50*pm, Gerald Ross wrote:
This may be the beginning of the end of reasonably priced table saws for occasional users like me. *I still have my hand saws. They're dangerous, too. A common injury back in the day was "carpenter's thumb". That's where the saw jumped the kerf and bit into the back of the thumb and cut the tendon. That left the poor sod with a thumb that could be flexed but not straightened. There simply will not be an overnight change in the entire saw market. If and when the new regs roll out it will mean that only new tools would be required to conform to the new and improved safety regulations. Used tools will still be available, though the prices of those will probably rise a bit as well. The regulations would have a date of compliance set at some point in the future, which will allow people to start hoarding existing saws, new and used. Take a gamble - buy a dozen hobbiest tablesaws from Harbor Freight. Shouldn't cost more than a few hundred and the potential payback might be double that...if you live that long. ;) R |
Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
On 10/8/2011 9:42 AM, Han wrote:
The ridiculously frivolous suit of an ignorant laborer injured because of stupidity has been upheld at the Appellate Court: http://www.ca1.uscourts.gov/pdf.opin...-1824P-01A.pdf The ignorant laborer is not the only ignorant one involved in this whole fiasco. |
Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
On 10/8/2011 11:58 AM, RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 8, 12:31 pm, wrote: I predict that the Supreme Court will rule along the lines of the testimony of the expert witness was biased and thus not acceptable. I think it's a fairly safe bet that the Supreme Court will overturn it. I'm glad the suit happened, though, and got so much attention. The major tool companies have had plenty of time to start retooling and upgrading safety since SawStop came on the scene. They've known which way the wind was blowing and something needed to be shaken loose. R Totally agree! I am not too happy about SawStop pushing their product through government intervention however I am equally unhappy about all the other other manufacturers that have decided that more safety is too high a price to pay. |
Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
On 10/8/2011 12:28 PM, Stuart Wheaton wrote:
On 10/8/2011 12:58 PM, RicodJour wrote: On Oct 8, 12:31 pm, wrote: I predict that the Supreme Court will rule along the lines of the testimony of the expert witness was biased and thus not acceptable. I think it's a fairly safe bet that the Supreme Court will overturn it. I'm glad the suit happened, though, and got so much attention. The major tool companies have had plenty of time to start retooling and upgrading safety since SawStop came on the scene. They've known which way the wind was blowing and something needed to be shaken loose. R The problem with this seems to be that Sawstop has the technology very thoroughly patented, and is not willing to license for anything reasonable, then they start a suit to result in their tech being required. Might be a problem now however Sawstop approached most every manufacturer about acquiring a license to use the product. They had their change and thumbed their noses at it. My understanding is that the principal in Sawstop is actually a patent lawyer. Yup! |
Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 14:02:40 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:
On 10/8/2011 11:58 AM, RicodJour wrote: On Oct 8, 12:31 pm, wrote: I predict that the Supreme Court will rule along the lines of the testimony of the expert witness was biased and thus not acceptable. I think it's a fairly safe bet that the Supreme Court will overturn it. I'm glad the suit happened, though, and got so much attention. The major tool companies have had plenty of time to start retooling and upgrading safety since SawStop came on the scene. They've known which way the wind was blowing and something needed to be shaken loose. R Totally agree! I am not too happy about SawStop pushing their product through government intervention however I am equally unhappy about all the other other manufacturers that have decided that more safety is too high a price to pay. Do you know what that "price" was? |
Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 11:17:25 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 12:49:26 -0500, dpb wrote: On 10/8/2011 11:31 AM, wrote: ... I predict that the Supreme Court will rule along the lines of the testimony of the expert witness was biased and thus not acceptable. ... _EXTREMELY_ unlikely US Supreme Court would even agree to hear such a case imo... The ACLU should be all over Gass for attempting to take away the civil liberties of people and companies. ACLU Companies? Shirley, you jest. |
Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
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Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 8, 1:50 pm, Gerald Ross wrote: This may be the beginning of the end of reasonably priced table saws for occasional users like me. I still have my hand saws. They're dangerous, too. A common injury back in the day was "carpenter's thumb". That's where the saw jumped the kerf and bit into the back of the thumb and cut the tendon. That left the poor sod with a thumb that could be flexed but not straightened. There simply will not be an overnight change in the entire saw market. If and when the new regs roll out it will mean that only new tools would be required to conform to the new and improved safety regulations. Used tools will still be available, though the prices of those will probably rise a bit as well. The regulations would have a date of compliance set at some point in the future, which will allow people to start hoarding existing saws, new and used. Take a gamble - buy a dozen hobbiest tablesaws from Harbor Freight. Shouldn't cost more than a few hundred and the potential payback might be double that...if you live that long. ;) Look for instructions on the web on how to defeat SawStop, thereby saving $100 or so on the false positives. Defeating the required SawStop will be as common as removing the blade guard and might be as simple as clipping a couple of wires... |
Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
On Oct 8, 4:18*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Look for instructions on the web on how to defeat SawStop, thereby saving $100 or so on the false positives. Defeating the required SawStop will be as common as removing the blade guard and might be as simple as clipping a couple of wires... That should be just about as effective as clipping a couple of wires inside your computer to circumvent Windows registration. Sheesh. BTW, who exactly is "defeating" the SawStop? A business? An individual? Let's see how that works... "Oh, I'm soooo sorry for you accident, Mr. HeyRube, but we at Northwest South Federal Insurance and Bowling have investigated the situation and since you "defeated" the safety mechanism, you're **** out of luck. Would you be interested in adding your autos to your insurance policy?" R |
Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
On Oct 8, 3:02*pm, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:
On 10/8/2011 11:58 AM, RicodJour wrote: On Oct 8, 12:31 pm, wrote: I predict that the Supreme Court will rule along the lines of the testimony of the expert witness was biased and thus not acceptable. I think it's a fairly safe bet that the Supreme Court will overturn it. *I'm glad the suit happened, though, and got so much attention. The major tool companies have had plenty of time to start retooling and upgrading safety since SawStop came on the scene. *They've known which way the wind was blowing and something needed to be shaken loose. Totally agree! *I am not too happy about SawStop pushing their product through government intervention however I am equally unhappy about all the other other manufacturers that have decided that more safety is too high a price to pay. In a nutshell. The SawStop guy came out swinging from the get go, the manufacturer's balked, and it's moved on to the next round. Too early to tell who the winner will be, but I wouldn't bet against the guy with the deepest pockets. R |
Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 8, 1:50 pm, Gerald wrote: This may be the beginning of the end of reasonably priced table saws for occasional users like me. I still have my hand saws. They're dangerous, too. A common injury back in the day was "carpenter's thumb". That's where the saw jumped the kerf and bit into the back of the thumb and cut the tendon. It still works! Somewhere I learned to use my left thumb to guide the saw at the start of the cut. I got an entra lesson for the small cost of a band-aid and I will henceforth hold that thumb higher. I'm on the verge of getting some wood carving gouges. I wonder what they will teach me...lol. I read a good tip yesterday, "Never catch a falling gouge...stitches are even more expensive". That left the poor sod with a thumb that could be flexed but not straightened. |
Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
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Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
On Oct 8, 6:30*pm, "J. Clarke" wrote:
says... In a nutshell. *The SawStop guy came out swinging from the get go, the manufacturer's balked, and it's moved on to the next round. *Too early to tell who the winner will be, but I wouldn't bet against the guy with the deepest pockets. Merceces-Benz licenses their antiskid braking patents at no charge (or did while they were still in force, they may be expired now). *If Mr. Sawstop was really all that interested in preventing injury instead of lining his own pockets he'd do the same. ABS were first used in airplanes in the 30's or 40's. Chrysler had anti-skid technology in the early 70's. Bosch and Mercedes collaborated in the late 70's and MB rolled them out in the 80's. Not quite the same thing as having a totally unique technology. I'd also be very interested to see where they gave away their technology when there were already competing technologies out there. That's not the purpose of a patent and it makes no sense from any angle. I did a quick search but couldn't find anything about it - do you have a link that I could check out? Please don't attribute some moral lapse in not taking the high road to a guy that all the major manufacturer's told to get lost. Anyone would have a bone to pick with them in that situation, and now he's set on making his point and teaching them a lesson. After all - he's a LAWYER. Lawyer's don't necessarily differentiate between making money and doing good. They're not automatically mutually exclusive. As far as Gass' position, I could see him negotiating downwards once the regulations come out. It would be in his best interests to make the money while he can as numerous billion dollar companies can afford to lawyer-spank anybody. And it would be in the major players interest to avoid lawyer fees and work with existing proven technology instead of losing time in development. R |
Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
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Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
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Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
On 10/8/2011 3:18 PM, HeyBub wrote:
RicodJour wrote: On Oct 8, 1:50 pm, Gerald wrote: This may be the beginning of the end of reasonably priced table saws for occasional users like me. I still have my hand saws. They're dangerous, too. A common injury back in the day was "carpenter's thumb". That's where the saw jumped the kerf and bit into the back of the thumb and cut the tendon. That left the poor sod with a thumb that could be flexed but not straightened. There simply will not be an overnight change in the entire saw market. If and when the new regs roll out it will mean that only new tools would be required to conform to the new and improved safety regulations. Used tools will still be available, though the prices of those will probably rise a bit as well. The regulations would have a date of compliance set at some point in the future, which will allow people to start hoarding existing saws, new and used. Take a gamble - buy a dozen hobbiest tablesaws from Harbor Freight. Shouldn't cost more than a few hundred and the potential payback might be double that...if you live that long. ;) Look for instructions on the web on how to defeat SawStop, thereby saving $100 or so on the false positives. Defeating the required SawStop will be as common as removing the blade guard and might be as simple as clipping a couple of wires... Contact SawStop and ask them how many false stops that they have not helped the owner out with. From what I have always heard by those that had a story to go with the situation, SawStop always provided the replacement parts. |
Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
On 10/8/2011 7:52 PM, Leon wrote:
On 10/8/2011 2:45 PM, Stuart Wheaton wrote: On 10/8/2011 3:26 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote: On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 14:02:40 -0500, Leonlcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 10/8/2011 11:58 AM, RicodJour wrote: On Oct 8, 12:31 pm, wrote: I predict that the Supreme Court will rule along the lines of the testimony of the expert witness was biased and thus not acceptable. I think it's a fairly safe bet that the Supreme Court will overturn it. I'm glad the suit happened, though, and got so much attention. The major tool companies have had plenty of time to start retooling and upgrading safety since SawStop came on the scene. They've known which way the wind was blowing and something needed to be shaken loose. R Totally agree! I am not too happy about SawStop pushing their product through government intervention however I am equally unhappy about all the other other manufacturers that have decided that more safety is too high a price to pay. Do you know what that "price" was? Furthermore, all the people I know who have one in their shops have had triggers. Some of them were on wet wood, stray metal or other nuisance reasons, some were for no known reason. None were for human/blade contact. Each trigger costs at least $100, often more depending on the value of the blade. This is a solution looking for a problem, especially when you consider that a standard guard, or any after market guard would solve the problem just as well. Stuart And every false trigger that I have heard of was taken care of by SawStop. It is at Sawstop's discretion, and I have heard of cartridges that were not replaced, and where the user could not identify a real cause for the trigger. I also do not believe that the blade is covered, and it is quite thoroughly destroyed. Furthermore, the user will need to stock replacement cartridges in anticipation of a trigger when working to a deadline. This all adds costs to the user above and beyond the license fee. |
Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 18:51:31 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:
On 10/8/2011 2:26 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote: On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 14:02:40 -0500, Leonlcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 10/8/2011 11:58 AM, RicodJour wrote: On Oct 8, 12:31 pm, wrote: I predict that the Supreme Court will rule along the lines of the testimony of the expert witness was biased and thus not acceptable. I think it's a fairly safe bet that the Supreme Court will overturn it. I'm glad the suit happened, though, and got so much attention. The major tool companies have had plenty of time to start retooling and upgrading safety since SawStop came on the scene. They've known which way the wind was blowing and something needed to be shaken loose. R Totally agree! I am not too happy about SawStop pushing their product through government intervention however I am equally unhappy about all the other other manufacturers that have decided that more safety is too high a price to pay. Do you know what that "price" was? I did have a good idea but no longer recall. Right now Bosch has indicated that the cost would be $55 for their bench top saws. I had heard numbers like $800 on the price of a cabinet saw. |
Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 18:56:37 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:
On 10/8/2011 3:18 PM, HeyBub wrote: RicodJour wrote: On Oct 8, 1:50 pm, Gerald wrote: This may be the beginning of the end of reasonably priced table saws for occasional users like me. I still have my hand saws. They're dangerous, too. A common injury back in the day was "carpenter's thumb". That's where the saw jumped the kerf and bit into the back of the thumb and cut the tendon. That left the poor sod with a thumb that could be flexed but not straightened. There simply will not be an overnight change in the entire saw market. If and when the new regs roll out it will mean that only new tools would be required to conform to the new and improved safety regulations. Used tools will still be available, though the prices of those will probably rise a bit as well. The regulations would have a date of compliance set at some point in the future, which will allow people to start hoarding existing saws, new and used. Take a gamble - buy a dozen hobbiest tablesaws from Harbor Freight. Shouldn't cost more than a few hundred and the potential payback might be double that...if you live that long. ;) Look for instructions on the web on how to defeat SawStop, thereby saving $100 or so on the false positives. Defeating the required SawStop will be as common as removing the blade guard and might be as simple as clipping a couple of wires... Contact SawStop and ask them how many false stops that they have not helped the owner out with. From what I have always heard by those that had a story to go with the situation, SawStop always provided the replacement parts. Do they fork over $125 for a new blade, too? |
Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 18:03:19 -0400, Bill wrote:
RicodJour wrote: On Oct 8, 1:50 pm, Gerald wrote: This may be the beginning of the end of reasonably priced table saws for occasional users like me. I still have my hand saws. They're dangerous, too. A common injury back in the day was "carpenter's thumb". That's where the saw jumped the kerf and bit into the back of the thumb and cut the tendon. It still works! Somewhere I learned to use my left thumb to guide the saw at the start of the cut. I got an entra lesson for the small cost of a band-aid and I will henceforth hold that thumb higher. I'm on the verge of getting some wood carving gouges. I wonder what they will teach me...lol. I read a good tip yesterday, "Never catch a falling gouge...stitches are even more expensive". Some time back I was working in the lab and a soldering iron fell off the bench. I automatically moved my hands and feet outward so that it fell harmlessly to the floor. My boss happened to be watching and was amazed that I didn't try to catch it. "Boss, it's hot!" ;-) Before using any dangerous tool it's good to think; "now if this falls...". It's really no different than thinking about where a knife is about to go if it slips. |
Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
wrote Before using any dangerous tool it's good to think; "now if this falls...". It's really no different than thinking about where a knife is about to go if it slips. Same thing for blacksmiths. I was watching one work once and he told me he dropped a piece of hot metal once and tried to catch it. It cured him of that habit forever. To this day, if something falls in the house, he just lets it fall. To the chagrin of his wife. |
Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
On 10/8/2011 7:51 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 18:51:31 -0500, Leonlcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 10/8/2011 2:26 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote: On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 14:02:40 -0500, Leonlcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 10/8/2011 11:58 AM, RicodJour wrote: On Oct 8, 12:31 pm, wrote: I predict that the Supreme Court will rule along the lines of the testimony of the expert witness was biased and thus not acceptable. I think it's a fairly safe bet that the Supreme Court will overturn it. I'm glad the suit happened, though, and got so much attention. The major tool companies have had plenty of time to start retooling and upgrading safety since SawStop came on the scene. They've known which way the wind was blowing and something needed to be shaken loose. R Totally agree! I am not too happy about SawStop pushing their product through government intervention however I am equally unhappy about all the other other manufacturers that have decided that more safety is too high a price to pay. Do you know what that "price" was? I did have a good idea but no longer recall. Right now Bosch has indicated that the cost would be $55 for their bench top saws. I had heard numbers like $800 on the price of a cabinet saw. Yeah I have heard those numbers too, but not from a manufacturer. |
Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
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Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
In article 945f0f6f-92d5-4e9e-86cd-9be5a71b59e7
@p11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com, says... On Oct 8, 6:30*pm, "J. Clarke" wrote: says... In a nutshell. *The SawStop guy came out swinging from the get go, the manufacturer's balked, and it's moved on to the next round. *Too early to tell who the winner will be, but I wouldn't bet against the guy with the deepest pockets. Merceces-Benz licenses their antiskid braking patents at no charge (or did while they were still in force, they may be expired now). *If Mr. Sawstop was really all that interested in preventing injury instead of lining his own pockets he'd do the same. ABS were first used in airplanes in the 30's or 40's. Chrysler had anti-skid technology in the early 70's. Bosch and Mercedes collaborated in the late 70's and MB rolled them out in the 80's. Not quite the same thing as having a totally unique technology. I'd also be very interested to see where they gave away their technology when there were already competing technologies out there. That's not the purpose of a patent and it makes no sense from any angle. I did a quick search but couldn't find anything about it - do you have a link that I could check out? Please don't attribute some moral lapse in not taking the high road to a guy that all the major manufacturer's told to get lost. Anyone would have a bone to pick with them in that situation, and now he's set on making his point and teaching them a lesson. After all - he's a LAWYER. Lawyer's don't necessarily differentiate between making money and doing good. They're not automatically mutually exclusive. As far as Gass' position, I could see him negotiating downwards once the regulations come out. It would be in his best interests to make the money while he can as numerous billion dollar companies can afford to lawyer-spank anybody. And it would be in the major players interest to avoid lawyer fees and work with existing proven technology instead of losing time in development. I'm sorry, but Gass is a self-serving ****head. If you think otherwise you're a damned fool. |
Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 18:52:29 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 10/8/2011 2:45 PM, Stuart Wheaton wrote: On 10/8/2011 3:26 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote: On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 14:02:40 -0500, Leonlcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 10/8/2011 11:58 AM, RicodJour wrote: On Oct 8, 12:31 pm, wrote: I predict that the Supreme Court will rule along the lines of the testimony of the expert witness was biased and thus not acceptable. I think it's a fairly safe bet that the Supreme Court will overturn it. I'm glad the suit happened, though, and got so much attention. The major tool companies have had plenty of time to start retooling and upgrading safety since SawStop came on the scene. They've known which way the wind was blowing and something needed to be shaken loose. R Totally agree! I am not too happy about SawStop pushing their product through government intervention however I am equally unhappy about all the other other manufacturers that have decided that more safety is too high a price to pay. Do you know what that "price" was? Furthermore, all the people I know who have one in their shops have had triggers. Some of them were on wet wood, stray metal or other nuisance reasons, some were for no known reason. None were for human/blade contact. Each trigger costs at least $100, often more depending on the value of the blade. This is a solution looking for a problem, especially when you consider that a standard guard, or any after market guard would solve the problem just as well. Stuart And every false trigger that I have heard of was taken care of by SawStop. Nice! They charge you double the regular rate for a saw of that particular quality (an extra $1,600 or so) and then give you a couple $50 freebies to make up for it. Whatta guy! -- The most decisive actions of our life - I mean those that are most likely to decide the whole course of our future - are, more often than not, unconsidered. -- Andre Gide |
Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
On Oct 8, 10:47*pm, "J. Clarke" wrote:
In article 945f0f6f-92d5-4e9e-86cd-9be5a71b59e7 @p11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com, says... On Oct 8, 6:30*pm, "J. Clarke" wrote: says... In a nutshell. *The SawStop guy came out swinging from the get go, the manufacturer's balked, and it's moved on to the next round. *Too early to tell who the winner will be, but I wouldn't bet against the guy with the deepest pockets. Merceces-Benz licenses their antiskid braking patents at no charge (or did while they were still in force, they may be expired now). *If Mr. |
Sawstop's suit against Ryobi is upheld
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