Folks -

Well I've either had an accident with the saw, or not. Here's what
happened.

I was cutting leg blanks out of 8/4 oak with a Freud Rip blade and a low
"unisaw" style aux. fence attached to the Bies. My wife was standing on the
outfeed side taking the blanks off of the table as they were cut. She's
helpt before and knows *NOT* to pull on the stock and also to just support
it, not turn it at all as she removes it from the table.

Well it all happed so fast (the six scariest words in the shop) anyway, I
was cutting the last leg blank and there was a narrow offcut on the "waste"
side of the blade. I *don't* remember quite what happened next, except that
the push stick I was using hit the blade and got tossed out of shop. I had
the presence of mind not to hang onto it - we had just finished the cut and
there was a POP! and zing.... My main concern was that Rose wasn't injured.
Well, we were both wearing safety gear, and I ducked as the push stick
zinged overhead in a fast high arc. We both counted to ten, literally and
figuratively. I turned the saw off, took a breath, unplugged it, and
inspected the blade very carefully. I didn't find any chipped teeth or
obvious damage, so all was well.

Later on, after about an hour or so, my left pinkie was hurting. I looked
at it and discovered a small cut, less than 1/16 wide, about 1/8 long and
just deep enough to break the skin on the back of the end finger segment.
It wasn't even bleeding. I didn't remember cutting myself on anything, and
even though I had gotten a number of splinters over the course of the day,
this cut looked too clean. I took a jeweler's loupe and looked at the cut
very carefully. Like I say, I don't remember cutting it on the saw when the
push stick went sailing, and I don't *think* I nicked it on the blade when I
was turning it carefully over by hand after the fact.

So, the situation is both a big relief and also very disturbing. It could
be that I nicked it on the blade during inspection, or hit it on something
else or it was a splinter - but I have done some thinking and here's what I
came up with:

1) I pushed the stock being cut through the blade and then in coming back up
to finish, I hit the blade with the push stick and all hell broke loose.

OR

2) Rose was using the leg blank to tip the offcut away from the blade and we
had a "mid-air" behind the blade, sending the push stick flying.

Either of these *could* have been what happened. When the push stick hit
the blade and went over my head, I ducked and turned to the right. When I
turned to the right, my left hand, which was holding the left edge of the
table turned with my body and because my attention was on the trident
missile overhead, the back of my finger touched the tip of the blade.

In looking VERY carefully at the cut, it looks like that's what happened. A
very sobering experience, and I was *VERY* lucky it wasn't worse.

Having given it some more thought, here's how I could have reduced the
likelihood of injury:

1) Had an easy to use outfeed table to support the cuts and get them out of
harms way, instead depending on my wife.

2) I should have been using a long narrow "shoe" style pushstick, with a
hand guard. My push stick was too short (My wife has told me this MANY
times) and my hands were too close to the blade for the cut I was making.

3) Had a blade guard. Currently, I don't have blade protection. You guys
ever hear of this? The stock guard is the only thing that's more dangerous.
So, yes, I am looking for an aftermarket blade cover.

4) Not explaining fully the nature of what I wanted my wife to do and the
consequences of not fully understanding what would happen if there was an
accident. This is solely my own fault.

I'll be posting a query about blade guards later today. Even though I may
NOT have cut my finger on the saw, it gave me pause to think about the
ramifications of my actions. Today, I am a lucky guy.


John Moorhead

Glad everyone is OK, and it sounds like its time to construct an outfeed
table, so Rose doesn't need to stand behind the saw to support the stock.

Brian.


"John Moorhead" wrote in message
news
Folks -

Well I've either had an accident with the saw, or not. Here's what
happened.

I was cutting leg blanks out of 8/4 oak with a Freud Rip blade and a low
"unisaw" style aux. fence attached to the Bies. My wife was standing on
the
outfeed side taking the blanks off of the table as they were cut. She's
helpt before and knows *NOT* to pull on the stock and also to just support
it, not turn it at all as she removes it from the table.

Well it all happed so fast (the six scariest words in the shop) anyway, I
was cutting the last leg blank and there was a narrow offcut on the
"waste"
side of the blade. I *don't* remember quite what happened next, except
that
the push stick I was using hit the blade and got tossed out of shop. I
had
the presence of mind not to hang onto it - we had just finished the cut
and
there was a POP! and zing.... My main concern was that Rose wasn't
injured.
Well, we were both wearing safety gear, and I ducked as the push stick
zinged overhead in a fast high arc. We both counted to ten, literally and
figuratively. I turned the saw off, took a breath, unplugged it, and
inspected the blade very carefully. I didn't find any chipped teeth or
obvious damage, so all was well.

Later on, after about an hour or so, my left pinkie was hurting. I looked
at it and discovered a small cut, less than 1/16 wide, about 1/8 long and
just deep enough to break the skin on the back of the end finger segment.
It wasn't even bleeding. I didn't remember cutting myself on anything,
and
even though I had gotten a number of splinters over the course of the day,
this cut looked too clean. I took a jeweler's loupe and looked at the cut

very carefully. Like I say, I don't remember cutting it on the saw when
the
push stick went sailing, and I don't *think* I nicked it on the blade when
I
was turning it carefully over by hand after the fact.

So, the situation is both a big relief and also very disturbing. It could
be that I nicked it on the blade during inspection, or hit it on something
else or it was a splinter - but I have done some thinking and here's what
I
came up with:

1) I pushed the stock being cut through the blade and then in coming back
up
to finish, I hit the blade with the push stick and all hell broke loose.

OR

2) Rose was using the leg blank to tip the offcut away from the blade and
we
had a "mid-air" behind the blade, sending the push stick flying.

Either of these *could* have been what happened. When the push stick hit
the blade and went over my head, I ducked and turned to the right. When I
turned to the right, my left hand, which was holding the left edge of the
table turned with my body and because my attention was on the trident
missile overhead, the back of my finger touched the tip of the blade.

In looking VERY carefully at the cut, it looks like that's what happened.
A
very sobering experience, and I was *VERY* lucky it wasn't worse.

Having given it some more thought, here's how I could have reduced the
likelihood of injury:

1) Had an easy to use outfeed table to support the cuts and get them out
of
harms way, instead depending on my wife.

2) I should have been using a long narrow "shoe" style pushstick, with a
hand guard. My push stick was too short (My wife has told me this MANY
times) and my hands were too close to the blade for the cut I was making.

3) Had a blade guard. Currently, I don't have blade protection. You guys
ever hear of this? The stock guard is the only thing that's more
dangerous.
So, yes, I am looking for an aftermarket blade cover.

4) Not explaining fully the nature of what I wanted my wife to do and the
consequences of not fully understanding what would happen if there was an
accident. This is solely my own fault.

I'll be posting a query about blade guards later today. Even though I
may
NOT have cut my finger on the saw, it gave me pause to think about the
ramifications of my actions. Today, I am a lucky guy.


John Moorhead

3) Had a blade guard. Currently, I don't have blade protection. You guys
ever hear of this? The stock guard is the only thing that's more
dangerous.
So, yes, I am looking for an aftermarket blade cover.


Not so sure a blade guard would have helped, other than to deflect the
projectile into an alternate direction. Do you have a splitter?

Brian.

Brian -

I was working on an outfeed table today, matter of fact... funny how your
priorities can change, eh? I do have a splitter - the MJ splitter I *just*
picked up at woodcraft and haven't installed as yet. Guess what I am doing
tomorrow INSTEAD of working on a set of tables.... Yep, outfeed tables and
shop safety!

If I did nick the back of my finger on the blade, then I think a cover would
have either kept my hand well out of the way, or, ensured that I *did* loose
the tip o the pinkie... I do think it would have kept me out of harms way.

Thanks for your thoughts and remarks.

John Moorhead

"Brian" wrote in message
...
3) Had a blade guard. Currently, I don't have blade protection. You
guys
ever hear of this? The stock guard is the only thing that's more
dangerous.
So, yes, I am looking for an aftermarket blade cover.


Not so sure a blade guard would have helped, other than to deflect the
projectile into an alternate direction. Do you have a splitter?

Brian.

"Brian" wrote in message

: 3) Had a blade guard. Currently, I don't have blade protection. You
guys
: ever hear of this? The stock guard is the only thing that's more
: dangerous.
: So, yes, I am looking for an aftermarket blade cover.
:
:
: Not so sure a blade guard would have helped, other than to deflect the
: projectile into an alternate direction.

I feel certain that a blade guard would have prevented this incident.

For the push stick to have flown directly forwards and upwards, it almost
certainly would have have had to contact an upwards-running part of the
blade.

For more information about sawbench safety, please try my web site -
Circular Sawbench Safety.

Jeff G

--
Jeff Gorman, West Yorkshire, UK
Email address is username@ISP
username is amgron
ISP is clara.co.uk
Website www.amgron.clara.net

John Moorhead wrote:
Folks -

Well I've either had an accident with the saw, or not. Here's what
happened.

I was cutting leg blanks out of 8/4 oak with a Freud Rip blade and a low
"unisaw" style aux. fence attached to the Bies. My wife was standing on the
outfeed side taking the blanks off of the table as they were cut. She's
helpt before and knows *NOT* to pull on the stock and also to just support
it, not turn it at all as she removes it from the table.

Well it all happed so fast (the six scariest words in the shop) anyway, I
was cutting the last leg blank and there was a narrow offcut on the "waste"
side of the blade. I *don't* remember quite what happened next, except that
the push stick I was using hit the blade and got tossed out of shop. I had
the presence of mind not to hang onto it - we had just finished the cut and
there was a POP! and zing.... My main concern was that Rose wasn't injured.
Well, we were both wearing safety gear, and I ducked as the push stick
zinged overhead in a fast high arc. We both counted to ten, literally and
figuratively. I turned the saw off, took a breath, unplugged it, and
inspected the blade very carefully. I didn't find any chipped teeth or
obvious damage, so all was well.

Later on, after about an hour or so, my left pinkie was hurting. I looked
at it and discovered a small cut, less than 1/16 wide, about 1/8 long and
just deep enough to break the skin on the back of the end finger segment.
It wasn't even bleeding. I didn't remember cutting myself on anything, and
even though I had gotten a number of splinters over the course of the day,
this cut looked too clean. I took a jeweler's loupe and looked at the cut
very carefully. Like I say, I don't remember cutting it on the saw when the
push stick went sailing, and I don't *think* I nicked it on the blade when I
was turning it carefully over by hand after the fact.

So, the situation is both a big relief and also very disturbing. It could
be that I nicked it on the blade during inspection, or hit it on something
else or it was a splinter - but I have done some thinking and here's what I
came up with:

1) I pushed the stock being cut through the blade and then in coming back up
to finish, I hit the blade with the push stick and all hell broke loose.

OR

2) Rose was using the leg blank to tip the offcut away from the blade and we
had a "mid-air" behind the blade, sending the push stick flying.

Either of these *could* have been what happened. When the push stick hit
the blade and went over my head, I ducked and turned to the right. When I
turned to the right, my left hand, which was holding the left edge of the
table turned with my body and because my attention was on the trident
missile overhead, the back of my finger touched the tip of the blade.

In looking VERY carefully at the cut, it looks like that's what happened. A
very sobering experience, and I was *VERY* lucky it wasn't worse.

Having given it some more thought, here's how I could have reduced the
likelihood of injury:

1) Had an easy to use outfeed table to support the cuts and get them out of
harms way, instead depending on my wife.

2) I should have been using a long narrow "shoe" style pushstick, with a
hand guard. My push stick was too short (My wife has told me this MANY
times) and my hands were too close to the blade for the cut I was making.

3) Had a blade guard. Currently, I don't have blade protection. You guys
ever hear of this? The stock guard is the only thing that's more dangerous.
So, yes, I am looking for an aftermarket blade cover.

4) Not explaining fully the nature of what I wanted my wife to do and the
consequences of not fully understanding what would happen if there was an
accident. This is solely my own fault.

I'll be posting a query about blade guards later today. Even though I may
NOT have cut my finger on the saw, it gave me pause to think about the
ramifications of my actions. Today, I am a lucky guy.


John Moorhead


no one, especially a loved one should be standing at the
outfeed side of the T/S. glad you both survived. that was
a wake up call.

dave

no one, especially a loved one should be standing at the
outfeed side of the T/S. glad you both survived. that was
a wake up call.

dave


Dave, or someone "in the know"...

Okay, a learning experience... Is your concern about being on the outfeed
side one simply of location, or is it because if there were kickback and the
helper were holding onto the board they could be drawn into saw? I never
stand behind the blade, always off to the left a bit. If your concern is
because of kickback, I unnerstand.. but if there's something else, you have
my FULL attention.

John

Without a splitter, this is very dangerous. If the person supporting the
stock happens to slightly nudge it one way or the other you've got a
kickback situation. Make an outfeed table of some sort!

Brian.


"John Moorhead" wrote in message
m...

no one, especially a loved one should be standing at the
outfeed side of the T/S. glad you both survived. that was
a wake up call.

dave


Dave, or someone "in the know"...

Okay, a learning experience... Is your concern about being on the outfeed
side one simply of location, or is it because if there were kickback and
the
helper were holding onto the board they could be drawn into saw? I never
stand behind the blade, always off to the left a bit. If your concern is
because of kickback, I unnerstand.. but if there's something else, you
have
my FULL attention.

John

Bay Area Dave wrote:


no one, especially a loved one should be standing at the
outfeed side of the T/S. glad you both survived. that was
a wake up call.

dave

Standing BEHIND the blade is probably the safest
place to stand as all the blade force is either up
or towards the infeed direction.

However, having someone stand on the outfeed
side doing anything other than taking the
COMPLETELY CUT AND PASSED THE BACK
OF THE BLADE is not a good idea. The person
at the back has a nice long lever arm. A little
movement of the stock on their end can make
a lot of movement OFF THE FENCE AND INTO
THE BLADE. On a thin kerf blade on a
bench top or contractor's saw the results
may not be dramatic. With a 1/8" kerf
blade on a cabinet saw with a 3 hp or greater
motor the effect can be scary as hell and
dangerous.

Seriously consider Das Pushstick. Fun
project and in addition to looking kind of
nice, gives you a great deal of control AND
keeps your hand well above the spinning
carbide things trying to bite you.
(all one line so watch the line wrap)

http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/...Pushstick.html

The one of the "buttons/horns" on the snout
fits into a hole in the bottom of the back to
provide the "push" part of the pushstick.

Consider a splitter or better yet a riving
knife and be safe - please.

charlie b

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 03:06:04 GMT, Bay Area Dave wrote:

John Moorhead wrote:
Folks -
.... snip of full quote of original posting


no one, especially a loved one should be standing at the
outfeed side of the T/S. glad you both survived. that was
a wake up call.



????????????? The outfeed side of a table saw is the safest place to be
standing, there is physically no way kickback is going to shoot a board in
the opposite direction the blade is turning. If the person on the outfeed
side is holding the off-cut or stock, there is a safety issue as a kickback
could potentially draw them into the blade. If they are only supporting
(i.e. not grasping) the stock as it comes out, then the primary danger is
to the operator as the person supporting the stock could turn or pinch the
stock thus inducing kickback -- but again, the danger is to the person on
the in-feed side of the saw.

dave

Mark & Juanita - I am not disagreeing - but offering a different
perspective..

If my SWIO (*patent pending new acronym), was on the outfeed, and by some
error twisted a board and caused (her perception), some kickback incident
that injured me, well, she would be injured also - u see?

This thread has SERIOUSLY made me reconsider some of my actions....

I love the wreck!

Mike R
Brisbane

"Mark & Juanita" wrote in message
s.com...
????????????? The outfeed side of a table saw is the safest place to be
standing, there is physically no way kickback is going to shoot a board in
the opposite direction the blade is turning. If the person on the outfeed
side is holding the off-cut or stock, there is a safety issue as a
kickback
could potentially draw them into the blade. If they are only supporting
(i.e. not grasping) the stock as it comes out, then the primary danger is
to the operator as the person supporting the stock could turn or pinch the
stock thus inducing kickback -- but again, the danger is to the person on
the in-feed side of the saw.

Scary stuff John! Thankfully you and your wife are both ok. It could be
the best lesson you ever learn and you didn't even have to spill any blood
or lose any body pieces. A new pair of skivvies will run you $5-10 and
hopefully the lesson learned will save something in the future. Have you
stopped shaking yet?...

--
Larry C in Auburn, WA

"John Moorhead" wrote in message
news
Folks -

Well I've either had an accident with the saw, or not. Here's what
happened.

I was cutting leg blanks out of 8/4 oak with a Freud Rip blade and a low
"unisaw" style aux. fence attached to the Bies. My wife was standing on
the
outfeed side taking the blanks off of the table as they were cut. She's
helpt before and knows *NOT* to pull on the stock and also to just support
it, not turn it at all as she removes it from the table.

Well it all happed so fast (the six scariest words in the shop) anyway, I
was cutting the last leg blank and there was a narrow offcut on the
"waste"
side of the blade. I *don't* remember quite what happened next, except
that
the push stick I was using hit the blade and got tossed out of shop. I
had
the presence of mind not to hang onto it - we had just finished the cut
and
there was a POP! and zing.... My main concern was that Rose wasn't
injured.
Well, we were both wearing safety gear, and I ducked as the push stick
zinged overhead in a fast high arc. We both counted to ten, literally and
figuratively. I turned the saw off, took a breath, unplugged it, and
inspected the blade very carefully. I didn't find any chipped teeth or
obvious damage, so all was well.

Later on, after about an hour or so, my left pinkie was hurting. I looked
at it and discovered a small cut, less than 1/16 wide, about 1/8 long and
just deep enough to break the skin on the back of the end finger segment.
It wasn't even bleeding. I didn't remember cutting myself on anything,
and
even though I had gotten a number of splinters over the course of the day,
this cut looked too clean. I took a jeweler's loupe and looked at the cut
very carefully. Like I say, I don't remember cutting it on the saw when
the
push stick went sailing, and I don't *think* I nicked it on the blade when
I
was turning it carefully over by hand after the fact.

So, the situation is both a big relief and also very disturbing. It could
be that I nicked it on the blade during inspection, or hit it on something
else or it was a splinter - but I have done some thinking and here's what
I
came up with:

1) I pushed the stock being cut through the blade and then in coming back
up
to finish, I hit the blade with the push stick and all hell broke loose.

OR

2) Rose was using the leg blank to tip the offcut away from the blade and
we
had a "mid-air" behind the blade, sending the push stick flying.

Either of these *could* have been what happened. When the push stick hit
the blade and went over my head, I ducked and turned to the right. When I
turned to the right, my left hand, which was holding the left edge of the
table turned with my body and because my attention was on the trident
missile overhead, the back of my finger touched the tip of the blade.

In looking VERY carefully at the cut, it looks like that's what happened.
A
very sobering experience, and I was *VERY* lucky it wasn't worse.

Having given it some more thought, here's how I could have reduced the
likelihood of injury:

1) Had an easy to use outfeed table to support the cuts and get them out
of
harms way, instead depending on my wife.

2) I should have been using a long narrow "shoe" style pushstick, with a
hand guard. My push stick was too short (My wife has told me this MANY
times) and my hands were too close to the blade for the cut I was making.

3) Had a blade guard. Currently, I don't have blade protection. You guys
ever hear of this? The stock guard is the only thing that's more
dangerous.
So, yes, I am looking for an aftermarket blade cover.

4) Not explaining fully the nature of what I wanted my wife to do and the
consequences of not fully understanding what would happen if there was an
accident. This is solely my own fault.

I'll be posting a query about blade guards later today. Even though I
may
NOT have cut my finger on the saw, it gave me pause to think about the
ramifications of my actions. Today, I am a lucky guy.


John Moorhead

Thats not a nick! Its just a fleshwound!

oops


"John Moorhead" wrote in message
om...

Mon, Jun 28, 2004, 1:44am (EDT+4)
(John=A0Moorhead) says:
snip I was cutting snip My wife was standing on the outfeed side
taking the blanks off of the table as they were cut. snip

Done that many times, at the age of about 10-11, for my
grandfather. He was usually cutting 8' stock tho. Never any problem.
Trick is, you only support, don't even think about moving anything,
until it is totally past the blade. Never any guard, or splitter (well,
he WAS what is so often called a "master" carpenter - but it would be
more accurate to say he was a highly experience journeman carpenter), no
prob.

snip the push stick I was using hit the blade and got tossed out of
shop.snip

Don't understand what you mean by "hit the blade", because my
pushsticks get chewed up about every time I use one. That's what
they're for, to get chewed up instead of my fingers. Sure you were
holding it tight? I've never had any problems like that.

I turned the saw off, took a breath, unplugged it,

That's probably exactly what I would have done.

and inspected the blade very carefully. snip

That would have probably came after I checked my trousers.

I didn't remember cutting myself on anything, snip

Could well have came from brushing against a corner of a piece of
wood. I've done that. But, when I get a wound like that, I usually
start to feel it within about 1-2 minutes.

Having given it some more thought, here's how I could have reduced the
likelihood of injury:
1) Had an easy to use outfeed table to support the cuts and get them out
of harms way, instead depending on my wife.

I, personally, don't see lack of an outfeed table having anything
to do with it, altho if I had the space, I'd probably have one.

2) I should have been using a long narrow "shoe" style pushstick, with a
hand guard. My push stick was too short (My wife has told me this MANY
times) and my hands were too close to the blade for the cut I was
making.

I usually cut a quick pushstick out of plwood. Not real sure what
you mean by "shoe" style. I notch mine. I also tend to make them about
a foot long. And grip themtight. I have glued up one or two, with a
handle, that fit flat on the piece being sawed, with a lip glued on at
the back, to push the piece. The saw cuts right thru it, no prob. I
usually have a push stick of some sort, to apply pressure on the piece,
using my left hand too.

3) Had a blade guard. Currently, I don't have blade protection. You guys
ever hear of this?

Yeah. And I don't believe in it.

The stock guard is the only thing that's more dangerous.

I don't agree. Awkward, a PITA, but works, which is why I normally
have one on my saw.

So, yes, I am looking for an aftermarket blade cover.

I think there's info in the archives, on making your own.

4) Not explaining fully the nature of what I wanted my wife to do snip

If she's don't it before, she understood, it ain't rocket science.
Like I said, I was doing it at about age 10.

and the consequences of not fully understanding what would happen if
there was an accident.

No one understands - until it's over.

This is solely my own fault. snip

Yep, you obviously aren't scared enough of your saw. I'm scared of
mine, so every time I use it, even with a saw sled, I'm very, very,
leery of it. I do NOT reach over it, when i's runing, even if I'm not
cuting anything, I either shut it off and wait for the blade to stop
spinning, or walk around the saw. I also do NOT stand in line with the
blade, when I cut anything on it. Get scared, stay scared.

Hell, probably the least dangerous tool in my shop is a hammer; and
I don't know how many times I've banged my fingers, my thumb, and at
least once, the back of my hand with one. Problem is, they're too
familiar to me, to be scared of them. And, I should be.


JOAT
That the peope have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves
and the state.
- Pennsylvania Constitution of 1776

Ahh!

Now see, progress can be a worry - I have (stupidly perhaps) got a couple of
el plastico push sticks near my Unisaur.

So I look down and I say to my self, I say "Self, careful you dont get near
the blade!"

I now think - this is dangerous! (Reading this thread)
If it was a crummy piece of chew-me-up scrap (correctly constructed), then I
could concentrate on feed rate and method, not my pretty plastic
pushstick...

hmmmm

TY!

"J T" wrote in message
...

snip

Don't understand what you mean by "hit the blade", because my
pushsticks get chewed up about every time I use one. That's what
they're for, to get chewed up instead of my fingers. Sure you were
holding it tight? I've never had any problems like that.

snip

I usually cut a quick pushstick out of plwood. Not real sure what
you mean by "shoe" style. I notch mine. I also tend to make them about
a foot long. And grip themtight. I have glued up one or two, with a
handle, that fit flat on the piece being sawed, with a lip glued on at
the back, to push the piece. The saw cuts right thru it, no prob. I
usually have a push stick of some sort, to apply pressure on the piece,
using my left hand too.

snip

Yep, you obviously aren't scared enough of your saw. I'm scared of
mine, so every time I use it, even with a saw sled, I'm very, very,
leery of it. I do NOT reach over it, when i's runing, even if I'm not
cuting anything, I either shut it off and wait for the blade to stop
spinning, or walk around the saw. I also do NOT stand in line with the
blade, when I cut anything on it. Get scared, stay scared.

snip

Joat - I say you is a wise wise man......

Mike
Brisbane Aus.

"Mike Richardson" wrote
:
: Now see, progress can be a worry - I have (stupidly perhaps) got a couple
of
: el plastico push sticks near my Unisaur.

Plastic push sticks have been known to shatter and the broken end driven
into the palm of the hand.

Jeff G

--
Jeff Gorman, West Yorkshire, UK
Email address is username@ISP
username is amgron
ISP is clara.co.uk
Website www.amgron.clara.net

"Mike Richardson" wrote
:
: Now see, progress can be a worry - I have (stupidly perhaps) got a couple
of
: el plastico push sticks near my Unisaur.

Plastic push sticks have been known to shatter and the broken end driven
into the palm of the hand.

Jeff G

--
Jeff Gorman, West Yorkshire, UK
Email address is username@ISP
username is amgron
ISP is clara.co.uk
Website www.amgron.clara.net

John,
Glad to read the incident wasn't a loss of life or limb... I've had
several kickbacks which has restored the fear of God in me too.
Before adding a subpanel to the shop and wiring the TS for 220, I was
never scared of the TS. It would always stall and pop the breaker
befor it got "weird".

This past weekend, I've been ripping 12" wide 8/4 white oak and can
vividly imagine what would happen if I used the TS. However, I was
fortunate enough to acquire an 18" band saw recently and I couldn't be
happier ripping stuff on it. I had no intent of using it as often as
I do. I use the TS regularly, but perform most of the stock prep cuts
on the BS and RAS. Then I use the TS post jointer/planer for final
dimensions.

Maybe you can use this experience as a pitch to SWMBO for a nice BS?
:-)

SS

A guard, a splitter, and a much larger push stick.

The splitter will prevent a LOT of dumb things from
happening.

I make my push sticks from 2x6 white pine. They are
rounded and come in contact with the blade on many
occasions.

My outfeed is well over four feet in length from edge of
the saw. I can cut and support a full sheet of plywood.

The value of the splitter almost exceeds that of the
guard. Together, they cut the odds of a accident by
large amounts.

Prior to my splitter, I have had my 3hp saw throw a full
sheet of 1/4" plywood back at my body. That changed my
outlook on splitters.






John Moorhead wrote:

Folks -

Well I've either had an accident with the saw, or not. Here's what
happened.

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 01:44:52 GMT, "John Moorhead"
wrote:

Folks -

Well I've either had an accident with the saw, or not. Here's what
happened.
snip

John Moorhead


Have you taken a look at the GRR-Ripper by Microjig? You already got
their splitter. It may be an expensive push block but it makes a lot
of sense...

I got it a month ago and I use it whenever my fingers get too close of
the business end of a tool. I'm not scared of my tablesaw anymore nor
my router table. It's so easier, faster and a lot safer too!

Just my 0.02

Wally

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:57:46 -0400, Wally vaguely
proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:

remove ns from my header address to reply via email

I am going to throw this into the ring....

....a severed finger....no.......

It looks as if the GRRRRipper requires removal of the splitter, and
obviously a guard. With some woods, I can still see pinching. Some
wood is under a lot of tension.

It also looks as if there is a need to lean right over the blade in
order to keep the Grrthingy held down tight on the workpiece. Not
good.

GRR-Ripper