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Just received notice from Cerritos College that because of California
state budget cuts, all summer WMT (Wood Manufacturing Technology) courses have been canceled; however, money has been found to replace all ten (10), 10" table saws, which includes General, PM66 and Unisaw with new SawStop units. Would appear the lawyers have spoken. Lew |
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Time to keep an eye on Interschola, the company that liqidates old
government stuff, usually via eBay. That is where I got my old PM 66 TS and PM 26 Shaper for a song. On Apr 6, 3:39*pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote: Just received notice from Cerritos College that because of California state budget cuts, all summer WMT (Wood Manufacturing Technology) courses have been canceled; however, money has been found to replace all ten (10), 10" table saws, which includes General, PM66 and Unisaw with new SawStop units. Would appear the lawyers have spoken. Lew |
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Did they mention when the sale was taking place on the old saws?
On 04/06/2011 06:39 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote: Just received notice from Cerritos College that because of California state budget cuts, all summer WMT (Wood Manufacturing Technology) courses have been canceled; however, money has been found to replace all ten (10), 10" table saws, which includes General, PM66 and Unisaw with new SawStop units. Would appear the lawyers have spoken. Lew |
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message .com... Just received notice from Cerritos College that because of California state budget cuts, all summer WMT (Wood Manufacturing Technology) courses have been canceled; however, money has been found to replace all ten (10), 10" table saws, which includes General, PM66 and Unisaw with new SawStop units. Would appear the lawyers have spoken. Lew Great. We now have brand new safe saws but we won't let anyone use them. |
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"Michael Kenefick" wrote: Did they mention when the sale was taking place on the old saws? ----------- No. Lew |
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On Apr 6, 5:39*pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
Just received notice from Cerritos College that because of California state budget cuts, all summer WMT (Wood Manufacturing Technology) courses have been canceled; however, money has been found to replace all ten (10), 10" table saws, which includes General, PM66 and Unisaw with new SawStop units. Would appear the lawyers have spoken. Lew They are speaking all over the place. Our rural high school has abandoned plans to re-start their wood program. Years ago it was excellent and they still have some pretty good Unisaws and other equipment. No-go with the boards lawyers. Too much risk without replacing table saws. End of story; which is especially tragic since we have the Pittsburg State University Wood Technology program 30 miles away, and two top- end cabinet makers here in town. The owners of those shops started cutting wood in this High School years ago. RonB |
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"Leon" wrote I would think unlikely that a discount for liability would be offered. The TS is only one of the machines in a typical shop that can cause serious injury. A jointer, lathe, and or a shaper are a few that can do as much harm as a TS. Insurance companies are pushing the use of Saw Stop technology though. I know our Workman's Comp carrier is strongly recommending their customers change over to them. It is just one of many factors in evaluating a company for rates/coverage. |
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On Apr 6, 3:39*pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
Just received notice from Cerritos College that because of California state budget cuts, all summer WMT (Wood Manufacturing Technology) courses have been canceled; however, money has been found to replace all ten (10), 10" table saws, which includes General, PM66 and Unisaw with new SawStop units. Would appear the lawyers have spoken. Lew I'm glad you are still able to offer classes. You have such a great program. Tom Walz Carbide Processors |
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"phorbin" wrote in message
... In article , says... As a school district business manager (in Pennsylvania) I always have to wonder about these stories. I have never had an insurance agent ask about our tablesaws. The paperwork filled out each year as we get insurance quotes from various firms is very extensive, but that item is NOT questioned. We did however not long ago replace our 1950s unisaws with SawStops when we renovated our High School as that seemed the appropriate thing to provide to a bunch of hormone driven, inexperienced kids that we were going to have using tablesaws. Safety is clearly an extremely important consideration in all things having to do with a school shop program. You are going to make the kids or their parents pay for testing the saw stop function with a hot dog? I wonder how many "tests" (and subsequent repairs) the school board will allow? If I know "kids", and I do, there will be a lot of "tests". Max |
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On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 18:24:23 -0500, phorbin
wrote: In article , says... As a school district business manager (in Pennsylvania) I always have to wonder about these stories. I have never had an insurance agent ask about our tablesaws. The paperwork filled out each year as we get insurance quotes from various firms is very extensive, but that item is NOT questioned. We did however not long ago replace our 1950s unisaws with SawStops when we renovated our High School as that seemed the appropriate thing to provide to a bunch of hormone driven, inexperienced kids that we were going to have using tablesaws. Safety is clearly an extremely important consideration in all things having to do with a school shop program. You are going to make the kids or their parents pay for testing the saw stop function with a hot dog? Well it has been a long time since I posted this and the sawstops were purchased in or about 2008 or 2009. To my knowledge they have not been activated even once. Certainly they have not been activated enough to use the cartridges that came with the saws as I would have had to approve any POs for replacements. Read into that anything you want about the saws, the kids, the teachers and the program. |
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Great. I think the saw is an excellent tool, and has a very good chance
of saving more than a finger. Glad to hear that it is working and not firing off randomly has many surmise. On 1/16/2012 7:15 PM, dhall987 wrote: On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 18:24:23 -0500, wrote: In , says... As a school district business manager (in Pennsylvania) I always have to wonder about these stories. I have never had an insurance agent ask about our tablesaws. The paperwork filled out each year as we get insurance quotes from various firms is very extensive, but that item is NOT questioned. We did however not long ago replace our 1950s unisaws with SawStops when we renovated our High School as that seemed the appropriate thing to provide to a bunch of hormone driven, inexperienced kids that we were going to have using tablesaws. Safety is clearly an extremely important consideration in all things having to do with a school shop program. You are going to make the kids or their parents pay for testing the saw stop function with a hot dog? Well it has been a long time since I posted this and the sawstops were purchased in or about 2008 or 2009. To my knowledge they have not been activated even once. Certainly they have not been activated enough to use the cartridges that came with the saws as I would have had to approve any POs for replacements. Read into that anything you want about the saws, the kids, the teachers and the program. |
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tiredofspam wrote:
Great. I think the saw is an excellent tool, and has a very good chance of saving more than a finger. Glad to hear that it is working and not firing off randomly has many surmise. that is indeed a good report, but that report also says something else - they have not had any acciedental contacts between a finger and a blade. Though I am a supporter of the SawStop technology, this report does nothing at all to advocate it. -- -Mike- |
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WTF are you babbling about this time?
Perhaps the Saw-Stop mechanisms are defective from manufacturing date. How are they tested to insure proper functioning? No? Shouldn't safety devices have a method of testing if people's health depend on them? Perhaps it only a scam to increase the price of the saws and control the market. After all it is an USAnian patent. They are real easy to get for perpetual motion machines. ----------- "Mike Marlow" wrote in message ... that is indeed a good report, but that report also says something else - they have not had any acciedental contacts between a finger and a blade. Though I am a supporter of the SawStop technology, this report does nothing at all to advocate it. -- -Mike- |
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On 1/16/2012 8:59 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
Great. I think the saw is an excellent tool, and has a very good chance of saving more than a finger. Glad to hear that it is working and not firing off randomly has many surmise. I doubt any of them are actually being used in any serious wood fab shops. I could false trip that junk ******* in less than an hour. -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email |
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"Steve Barker" wrote: I doubt any of them are actually being used in any serious wood fab shops. I could false trip that junk ******* in less than an hour. ---------------------------------- Since the insurance industry is driving the installation of the technology, best get on board and embrace it. It's not going away. Lew |
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"Steve Barker" wrote in message ... On 1/16/2012 8:59 PM, tiredofspam wrote: Great. I think the saw is an excellent tool, and has a very good chance of saving more than a finger. Glad to hear that it is working and not firing off randomly has many surmise. I doubt any of them are actually being used in any serious wood fab shops. I could false trip that junk ******* in less than an hour. ================================================== ======================= Another one of these people that think that breaking things makes them a real man. |
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On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:19:08 -0600, Steve Barker
wrote: On 1/16/2012 8:59 PM, tiredofspam wrote: Great. I think the saw is an excellent tool, and has a very good chance of saving more than a finger. Glad to hear that it is working and not firing off randomly has many surmise. I doubt any of them are actually being used in any serious wood fab shops. I could false trip that junk ******* in less than an hour. Actually, they are. Our Workman's Comp insurance carrier is advocating their use and has managed to get a few places to switch to them. Talking to the guy that visits our plant, he told me on one instance of a trip where it saved a serious injury. I'm sure you can make it false trip, but I'm sure if you were serious about its use, you'd also prevent that from happening. I bet you can make your airbags go off too. |
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m II wrote:
WTF are you babbling about this time? Perhaps the Saw-Stop mechanisms are defective from manufacturing date. How are they tested to insure proper functioning? No? Shouldn't safety devices have a method of testing if people's health depend on them? Perhaps it only a scam to increase the price of the saws and control the market. After all it is an USAnian patent. They are real easy to get for perpetual motion machines. Ahhh - my personal stalker raises his head again and continues to make a complete ass of himself. -- -Mike- |
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On 1/16/2012 10:19 PM, Steve Barker wrote:
On 1/16/2012 8:59 PM, tiredofspam wrote: Great. I think the saw is an excellent tool, and has a very good chance of saving more than a finger. Glad to hear that it is working and not firing off randomly has many surmise. I doubt any of them are actually being used in any serious wood fab shops. I could false trip that junk ******* in less than an hour. You would be wrong to doubt that. Google to find comments from commercial shop owners. |
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On 1/17/2012 5:07 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:19:08 -0600, Steve Barker wrote: On 1/16/2012 8:59 PM, tiredofspam wrote: Great. I think the saw is an excellent tool, and has a very good chance of saving more than a finger. Glad to hear that it is working and not firing off randomly has many surmise. I doubt any of them are actually being used in any serious wood fab shops. I could false trip that junk ******* in less than an hour. Actually, they are. Our Workman's Comp insurance carrier is advocating their use and has managed to get a few places to switch to them. Talking to the guy that visits our plant, he told me on one instance of a trip where it saved a serious injury. I'm sure you can make it false trip, but I'm sure if you were serious about its use, you'd also prevent that from happening. I bet you can make your airbags go off too. With the comment he made it sounds as if he did set his airbag off, the hot air one. |
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On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 06:07:03 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:19:08 -0600, Steve Barker wrote: On 1/16/2012 8:59 PM, tiredofspam wrote: Great. I think the saw is an excellent tool, and has a very good chance of saving more than a finger. Glad to hear that it is working and not firing off randomly has many surmise. I doubt any of them are actually being used in any serious wood fab shops. I could false trip that junk ******* in less than an hour. Actually, they are. Our Workman's Comp insurance carrier is advocating their use and has managed to get a few places to switch to them. Talking to the guy that visits our plant, he told me on one instance of a trip where it saved a serious injury. What kind of premium reduction are they giving for doing so? I'm sure you can make it false trip, but I'm sure if you were serious about its use, you'd also prevent that from happening. I bet you can make your airbags go off too. I once saw a movie where a gangbanger was walking down the street, hitting front bumpers with a tubafore and setting off all the airbags and car alarms. That's probably as expensive as keying the paint. -- I merely took the energy it takes to pout and wrote some blues. --Duke Ellington |
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On 1/16/2012 11:05 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Steve Barker" wrote: I doubt any of them are actually being used in any serious wood fab shops. I could false trip that junk ******* in less than an hour. ---------------------------------- Since the insurance industry is driving the installation of the technology, best get on board and embrace it. It's not going away. Lew there will never be one in my shop. -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email |
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On 1/17/2012 8:47 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 06:07:03 -0500, Ed wrote: On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:19:08 -0600, Steve Barker wrote: On 1/16/2012 8:59 PM, tiredofspam wrote: Great. I think the saw is an excellent tool, and has a very good chance of saving more than a finger. Glad to hear that it is working and not firing off randomly has many surmise. I doubt any of them are actually being used in any serious wood fab shops. I could false trip that junk ******* in less than an hour. Actually, they are. Our Workman's Comp insurance carrier is advocating their use and has managed to get a few places to switch to them. Talking to the guy that visits our plant, he told me on one instance of a trip where it saved a serious injury. What kind of premium reduction are they giving for doing so? I'm sure you can make it false trip, but I'm sure if you were serious about its use, you'd also prevent that from happening. I bet you can make your airbags go off too. I once saw a movie where a gangbanger was walking down the street, hitting front bumpers with a tubafore and setting off all the airbags and car alarms. That's probably as expensive as keying the paint. -- I merely took the energy it takes to pout and wrote some blues. --Duke Ellington about $800-$1000 for an airbag replacement. But you can chalk what you saw up to movie magic. The air bag circuit is only alive with the key on. -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email |
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Larry Jaques wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 06:07:03 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote: Actually, they are. Our Workman's Comp insurance carrier is advocating their use and has managed to get a few places to switch to them. Talking to the guy that visits our plant, he told me on one instance of a trip where it saved a serious injury. What kind of premium reduction are they giving for doing so? That's the whole thing - insurance companies are not driving this as some have foolishly posted. When was the last time your insurance agent called up to say something about SawStop? Commercial applications are a different thing since liability is a bigger concern for them, but even at that, they are not being "forced" into anything by their carriers. As Edwin states, his Workman's Comp carrier is "advocating" the use. That's a far cry from any kind of mandate. And - a far cry from any kind of reduced premium. -- -Mike- |
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Steve Barker wrote:
On 1/16/2012 11:05 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote: "Steve Barker" wrote: I doubt any of them are actually being used in any serious wood fab shops. I could false trip that junk ******* in less than an hour. ---------------------------------- Since the insurance industry is driving the installation of the technology, best get on board and embrace it. It's not going away. Lew there will never be one in my shop. That is certainly your choice. Probably won't be one in mine either, since I don't see the need to replace my saw. All of that said - Lew is completely wrong in his statement that the insurance industry is driving this. Evidence, please... -- -Mike- |
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On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 11:23:01 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
That is certainly your choice. Probably won't be one in mine either, since I don't see the need to replace my saw. All of that said - Lew is completely wrong in his statement that the insurance industry is driving this. Evidence, please... If it will help you, then *fear* of the insurance companies is driving it. Fear of increased rates from lawsuits. Fear of having all insurance terminated. It doesn't matter how you slice it, when the end result is money, or the very real possibility of losing it because of an injury, then there are only two choices. Comply or go broke/out of business. |
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On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 06:51:07 -0600, Leon wrote:
I doubt any of them are actually being used in any serious wood fab shops. I could false trip that junk ******* in less than an hour. You would be wrong to doubt that. Google to find comments from commercial shop owners. Indeed. I know of one local commercial cabinet shop that had over 10 of them the last time I talked to them about 3 years ago. They probably have more by now. Their employees do repetitive work all day and get careless. According to their equipment maintenance guy, he replaces a SawStop cartridge about once a month. According to him, they've paid for the saws many times in reduced Workmans Comp claims. OTOH, I agree with those who object to the maker pushing for a law requiring the use of his invention. Maybe we should push for one making the technique public domain in the interest of public safety :-). -- Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw |
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On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 08:53:30 -0600, Steve Barker
wrote: On 1/17/2012 8:47 AM, Larry Jaques wrote: I once saw a movie where a gangbanger was walking down the street, hitting front bumpers with a tubafore and setting off all the airbags and car alarms. That's probably as expensive as keying the paint. about $800-$1000 for an airbag replacement. But you can chalk what you saw up to movie magic. The air bag circuit is only alive with the key on. Yeah, I figured that out early on. I'm just hoping my Tundra bags are set to INSENSITIVE, because I drive over curbs and such in my daily driving. -- I merely took the energy it takes to pout and wrote some blues. --Duke Ellington |
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On 1/17/2012 8:47 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 06:07:03 -0500, Ed wrote: On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:19:08 -0600, Steve Barker wrote: On 1/16/2012 8:59 PM, tiredofspam wrote: Great. I think the saw is an excellent tool, and has a very good chance of saving more than a finger. Glad to hear that it is working and not firing off randomly has many surmise. I doubt any of them are actually being used in any serious wood fab shops. I could false trip that junk ******* in less than an hour. Actually, they are. Our Workman's Comp insurance carrier is advocating their use and has managed to get a few places to switch to them. Talking to the guy that visits our plant, he told me on one instance of a trip where it saved a serious injury. What kind of premium reduction are they giving for doing so? I'm sure you can make it false trip, but I'm sure if you were serious about its use, you'd also prevent that from happening. I bet you can make your airbags go off too. I once saw a movie where a gangbanger was walking down the street, hitting front bumpers with a tubafore and setting off all the airbags and car alarms. That's probably as expensive as keying the paint. Yeah, that was a "Movie". Typically bumpers have got to be slid back to compress the airbag switch. |
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On 1/17/2012 12:07 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 08:53:30 -0600, Steve Barker wrote: On 1/17/2012 8:47 AM, Larry Jaques wrote: I once saw a movie where a gangbanger was walking down the street, hitting front bumpers with a tubafore and setting off all the airbags and car alarms. That's probably as expensive as keying the paint. about $800-$1000 for an airbag replacement. But you can chalk what you saw up to movie magic. The air bag circuit is only alive with the key on. Yeah, I figured that out early on. I'm just hoping my Tundra bags are set to INSENSITIVE, because I drive over curbs and such in my daily driving. Unless you compress your bumper of the sides of your truck the air bags will not blow. It takes a damaging impact not a jaring motion. |
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"Larry Jaques" wrote Yeah, I figured that out early on. I'm just hoping my Tundra bags are set to INSENSITIVE, because I drive over curbs and such in my daily driving. Need new glasses? |
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On 1/17/12 12:23 PM, Leon wrote:
On 1/17/2012 8:47 AM, Larry Jaques wrote: On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 06:07:03 -0500, Ed wrote: On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:19:08 -0600, Steve Barker wrote: On 1/16/2012 8:59 PM, tiredofspam wrote: Great. I think the saw is an excellent tool, and has a very good chance of saving more than a finger. Glad to hear that it is working and not firing off randomly has many surmise. I doubt any of them are actually being used in any serious wood fab shops. I could false trip that junk ******* in less than an hour. Actually, they are. Our Workman's Comp insurance carrier is advocating their use and has managed to get a few places to switch to them. Talking to the guy that visits our plant, he told me on one instance of a trip where it saved a serious injury. What kind of premium reduction are they giving for doing so? I'm sure you can make it false trip, but I'm sure if you were serious about its use, you'd also prevent that from happening. I bet you can make your airbags go off too. I once saw a movie where a gangbanger was walking down the street, hitting front bumpers with a tubafore and setting off all the airbags and car alarms. That's probably as expensive as keying the paint. Yeah, that was a "Movie". Typically bumpers have got to be slid back to compress the airbag switch. I don't think the bumpers have anything to do with the system. I think they all have inertia sensors (as another poster stated). -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On 1/17/2012 12:25 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
"Larry Jaques" wrote Yeah, I figured that out early on. I'm just hoping my Tundra bags are set to INSENSITIVE, because I drive over curbs and such in my daily driving. Need new glasses? LOL ... thinking the same thing. -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop |
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On 1/17/2012 8:50 AM, Steve Barker wrote:
On 1/16/2012 11:05 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote: "Steve Barker" wrote: I doubt any of them are actually being used in any serious wood fab shops. I could false trip that junk ******* in less than an hour. ---------------------------------- Since the insurance industry is driving the installation of the technology, best get on board and embrace it. It's not going away. Lew there will never be one in my shop. Yeah I said that about cordless drills over 9.6 volts. That was a silly thought. |
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On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 17:42:12 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
wrote: On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 06:51:07 -0600, Leon wrote: I doubt any of them are actually being used in any serious wood fab shops. I could false trip that junk ******* in less than an hour. You would be wrong to doubt that. Google to find comments from commercial shop owners. Indeed. I know of one local commercial cabinet shop that had over 10 of them the last time I talked to them about 3 years ago. They probably have more by now. Their employees do repetitive work all day and get careless. According to their equipment maintenance guy, he replaces a SawStop cartridge about once a month. According to him, they've paid for the saws many times in reduced Workmans Comp claims. What did he say about cost of damaged blades, hmmm? OTOH, I agree with those who object to the maker pushing for a law requiring the use of his invention. Maybe we should push for one making the technique public domain in the interest of public safety :-). If it becomes law, the invention should be sequestered by the gov't. lest the speaking weasel's invention become a monopoly. -- The human brain is unique in that it is the only container of which it can be said that the more you put into it, the more it will hold. -- Glenn Doman |
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On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 10:07:40 -0800, Larry Jaques
Yeah, I figured that out early on. I'm just hoping my Tundra bags are set to INSENSITIVE, because I drive over curbs and such in my daily driving. So? Which is it? You need new glasses or you do it just because you can? |
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-MIKE- wrote the following:
On 1/17/12 12:23 PM, Leon wrote: On 1/17/2012 8:47 AM, Larry Jaques wrote: On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 06:07:03 -0500, Ed wrote: On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:19:08 -0600, Steve Barker wrote: On 1/16/2012 8:59 PM, tiredofspam wrote: Great. I think the saw is an excellent tool, and has a very good chance of saving more than a finger. Glad to hear that it is working and not firing off randomly has many surmise. I doubt any of them are actually being used in any serious wood fab shops. I could false trip that junk ******* in less than an hour. Actually, they are. Our Workman's Comp insurance carrier is advocating their use and has managed to get a few places to switch to them. Talking to the guy that visits our plant, he told me on one instance of a trip where it saved a serious injury. What kind of premium reduction are they giving for doing so? I'm sure you can make it false trip, but I'm sure if you were serious about its use, you'd also prevent that from happening. I bet you can make your airbags go off too. I once saw a movie where a gangbanger was walking down the street, hitting front bumpers with a tubafore and setting off all the airbags and car alarms. That's probably as expensive as keying the paint. Yeah, that was a "Movie". Typically bumpers have got to be slid back to compress the airbag switch. I don't think the bumpers have anything to do with the system. I think they all have inertia sensors (as another poster stated). My 97 Nissan PU struck a pregnant whitetail deer one night at about 50 mph. I was about a half mile from home and the radiator was leaking, so I drove it home then called the police. Over $4k in damages. My truck has only a driver airbag and it didn't inflate. http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/7033/truck2d.jpg -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY In the original Orange County. Est. 1683 To email, remove the double zeros after @ |
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