Section of sign machined with cnc.
The fox is HDU and the letters are 1/2" Corian with Gorilla glue laid
on top for that 'nugget' effect.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o.../Foxdetail.jpg
The whole thing is coated in UV resistant FrogJuice.

On Mar 20, 8:52*pm, Robatoy wrote:
Section of sign machined with cnc.
The fox is HDU and the letters are 1/2" Corian with Gorilla glue laid
on top for that 'nugget' effect.http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o.../Foxdetail.jpg
The whole thing is coated in UV resistant FrogJuice.

That's great! Well done. Sadly, decent pub signs seem to be a dying
thing over here. Good to see that they are alive & kicking elsewhere.

On 3/20/2011 3:52 PM, Robatoy wrote:
Section of sign machined with cnc.
The fox is HDU and the letters are 1/2" Corian with Gorilla glue laid
on top for that 'nugget' effect.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o.../Foxdetail.jpg
The whole thing is coated in UV resistant FrogJuice.

Excellent!

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 05:58:19 -0500, Swingman wrote:

On 3/20/2011 3:52 PM, Robatoy wrote:
Section of sign machined with cnc.
The fox is HDU and the letters are 1/2" Corian with Gorilla glue laid
on top for that 'nugget' effect.

Why dincha do that with the router, Toy? Toss a texture on the text.


http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o.../Foxdetail.jpg
The whole thing is coated in UV resistant FrogJuice.

Excellent!

Tres chic.

--
"I probably became a libertarian through exposure to tough-minded
professors" James Buchanan, Armen Alchian, Milton Friedman "who
encouraged me to think with my brain instead of my heart. I
learned that you have to evaluate the effects of public policy
as opposed to intentions."
-- Walter E. Williams

On Mar 22, 8:47*am, Larry Jaques
wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 05:58:19 -0500, Swingman wrote:
On 3/20/2011 3:52 PM, Robatoy wrote:
Section of sign machined with cnc.
The fox is HDU and the letters are 1/2" Corian with Gorilla glue laid
on top for that 'nugget' effect.

Why dincha do that with the router, Toy? *Toss a texture on the text.


Very good question. One that I have given a lot of thought. I have
done it both ways and come away with the conclusion that the Gorilla
Glue method is far more efficient and shifts that operation away from
my router to the painter/sign-guy... and no sanding away machine
marks.
When I cut the letters, I just follow the outline vector and I'm done
in 20 minutes freeing up the cnc for other things.
If I do the textured letters, the cutting time turns into multiple
pass/high detail/totally different type of file... figure an hour per
square foot.
Now. if I were to do a set of letters on a textured background, an
'all-in-one' situation, I would texture the letters as it wouldn't add
any time to the operation.
I guess you could call it parts vs arts.
The last sign I did, I ordered the fat, rounded, bulbous letters from
a catalogue. Injected moulded plastic. I have the ability to make such
shaped letters, but there is no way that it is cost effective...
regardless of the router's prowess. I'd rather use the savings to buy
more Festool. *smirk*

On Mar 22, 9:03*am, Angela Sekeris wrote:
On Mar 22, 8:47*am, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 05:58:19 -0500, Swingman wrote:
On 3/20/2011 3:52 PM, Robatoy wrote:
Section of sign machined with cnc.
The fox is HDU and the letters are 1/2" Corian with Gorilla glue laid
on top for that 'nugget' effect.

Why dincha do that with the router, Toy? *Toss a texture on the text.

Very good question. One that I have given a lot of thought. I have
done it both ways and come away with the conclusion that the Gorilla
Glue method is far more efficient and shifts that operation away from
my router to the painter/sign-guy... and no sanding away machine
marks.
When I cut the letters, I just follow the outline vector and I'm done
in 20 minutes freeing up the cnc for other things.
If I do the textured letters, the cutting time turns into multiple
pass/high detail/totally different type of file... figure an hour per
square foot.
Now. if I were to do a set of letters on a textured background, an
'all-in-one' situation, I would texture the letters as it wouldn't add
any time to the operation.
I guess you could call it parts vs arts.
The last sign I did, I ordered the fat, rounded, bulbous letters from
a catalogue. Injected moulded plastic. I have the ability to make such
shaped letters, but there is no way that it is cost effective...
regardless of the router's prowess. I'd rather use the savings to buy
more Festool. *smirk*

I have to agree with Angela...LOL

(She sometimes doesn't log out, and I am soooo involved with my coffee
in the morning that I forget to check... idiot that I am..)

"Robatoy" wrote

I have to agree with Angela...LOL

(She sometimes doesn't log out, and I am soooo involved with my coffee
in the morning that I forget to check... idiot that I am..)

I was going to say that it must be nice to have two CNC operators in the
same family, Then I realized that it was Angela, a medical professional,
talking about efficient cnc operations. I got concerned. cnc, medical
services, it sounded like a script to a horror movie.

I made a note to myself to never seek medical services near an operating cnc
router.

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 06:03:41 -0700 (PDT), Angela Sekeris
wrote:

On Mar 22, 8:47Â*am, Larry Jaques
wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 05:58:19 -0500, Swingman wrote:
On 3/20/2011 3:52 PM, Robatoy wrote:
Section of sign machined with cnc.
The fox is HDU and the letters are 1/2" Corian with Gorilla glue laid
on top for that 'nugget' effect.

Why dincha do that with the router, Toy? Â*Toss a texture on the text.


Very good question. One that I have given a lot of thought. I have
done it both ways and come away with the conclusion that the Gorilla
Glue method is far more efficient and shifts that operation away from
my router to the painter/sign-guy... and no sanding away machine
marks.
When I cut the letters, I just follow the outline vector and I'm done
in 20 minutes freeing up the cnc for other things.

Is Gorilla glue the type which foams up? I bought some once but it
hardened on me before I even opened it. I found it under a cloth on a
low shelf a couple years later.


If I do the textured letters, the cutting time turns into multiple
pass/high detail/totally different type of file... figure an hour per
square foot.
Now. if I were to do a set of letters on a textured background, an
'all-in-one' situation, I would texture the letters as it wouldn't add
any time to the operation.
I guess you could call it parts vs arts.

Ayup.


The last sign I did, I ordered the fat, rounded, bulbous letters from
a catalogue. Injected moulded plastic. I have the ability to make such
shaped letters, but there is no way that it is cost effective...
regardless of the router's prowess.

Whatever the signmaker and client agree on, eh?


I'd rather use the savings to buy more Festool. *smirk*

Yeah, yeah, yeah...
You are today where your thoughts have brought you;
you will be tomorrow where your thoughts take you.
-- James Lane Allen

On 3/20/2011 3:52 PM, Robatoy wrote:
Section of sign machined with cnc.
The fox is HDU and the letters are 1/2" Corian with Gorilla glue laid
on top for that 'nugget' effect.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o.../Foxdetail.jpg
The whole thing is coated in UV resistant FrogJuice.

Its just an animal. I expect to see a portrait of some old comedian.

On 3/22/11 10:47 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:


On 3/20/2011 3:52 PM, Robatoy wrote:
Section of sign machined with cnc.
The fox is HDU and the letters are 1/2" Corian with Gorilla glue laid
on top for that 'nugget' effect.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o.../Foxdetail.jpg
The whole thing is coated in UV resistant FrogJuice.

Its just an animal. I expect to see a portrait of some old comedian.

C-Less is opening a pub?

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:53:49 -0400, FrozenNorth
wrote:

On 3/22/11 10:47 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:


On 3/20/2011 3:52 PM, Robatoy wrote:
Section of sign machined with cnc.
The fox is HDU and the letters are 1/2" Corian with Gorilla glue laid
on top for that 'nugget' effect.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o.../Foxdetail.jpg
The whole thing is coated in UV resistant FrogJuice.

Its just an animal. I expect to see a portrait of some old comedian.

C-Less is opening a pub?

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo! Me ex-ProfessionalDrunk. Me no do dat.

--
You are today where your thoughts have brought you;
you will be tomorrow where your thoughts take you.
-- James Lane Allen

In article , Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:53:49 -0400, FrozenNorth
wrote:

On 3/22/11 10:47 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:


On 3/20/2011 3:52 PM, Robatoy wrote:
Section of sign machined with cnc.
The fox is HDU and the letters are 1/2" Corian with Gorilla glue laid
on top for that 'nugget' effect.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o.../Foxdetail.jpg
The whole thing is coated in UV resistant FrogJuice.

Its just an animal. I expect to see a portrait of some old comedian.

C-Less is opening a pub?

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo! Me ex-ProfessionalDrunk. Me no do dat.

Nobody's suggest you CLOSE the pub, C-less...

In article , FrozenNorth
wrote:

On 3/22/11 10:47 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:


On 3/20/2011 3:52 PM, Robatoy wrote:
Section of sign machined with cnc.
The fox is HDU and the letters are 1/2" Corian with Gorilla glue laid
on top for that 'nugget' effect.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o.../Foxdetail.jpg
The whole thing is coated in UV resistant FrogJuice.

Its just an animal. I expect to see a portrait of some old comedian.

C-Less is opening a pub?

The Bow Saur & Flagon!

On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 00:47:03 -0600, Dave Balderstone
wrote:

In article , FrozenNorth
wrote:

On 3/22/11 10:47 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:


On 3/20/2011 3:52 PM, Robatoy wrote:
Section of sign machined with cnc.
The fox is HDU and the letters are 1/2" Corian with Gorilla glue laid
on top for that 'nugget' effect.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o.../Foxdetail.jpg
The whole thing is coated in UV resistant FrogJuice.

Its just an animal. I expect to see a portrait of some old comedian.

C-Less is opening a pub?

The Bow Saur & Flagon!

Bwahahahahahaha! Two points, Baldy!

--
You are today where your thoughts have brought you;
you will be tomorrow where your thoughts take you.
-- James Lane Allen

In article 230320110047030512%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone. ca,
Dave Balderstone wrote:
In article , FrozenNorth
wrote:

On 3/22/11 10:47 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:


On 3/20/2011 3:52 PM, Robatoy wrote:
Section of sign machined with cnc.
The fox is HDU and the letters are 1/2" Corian with Gorilla glue laid
on top for that 'nugget' effect.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o.../Foxdetail.jpg
The whole thing is coated in UV resistant FrogJuice.

Its just an animal. I expect to see a portrait of some old comedian.

C-Less is opening a pub?

The Bow Saur & Flagon!

"... but the Vessel with the Pestle has the brew that is true'

On Mar 20, 4:52*pm, Robatoy wrote:

Section of sign machined with cnc.
The fox is HDU and the letters are 1/2" Corian with Gorilla glue laid
on top for that 'nugget' effect.http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o.../Foxdetail.jpg
The whole thing is coated in UV resistant FrogJuice.

Nifty. I can imagine whole hordes of paying, puking customers under
that sign.

Did you work up the fox from scratch, or did you start with some sort
of CNC clipart?
How much time did you spend computer modeling?

R

On 3/22/11 1:03 PM, RicodJour wrote:

Did you work up the fox from scratch, or did you start with some sort
of CNC clipart?
How much time did you spend computer modeling?

I suspect there won't be an answer forthcoming there, trade secrets, and
all. That way he can charge 8 hours of setup and two hours of CNC time.
:-) He could have done it in four hours with a sharp chisel or six.

Sorry Rob, had to do it.

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

"RicodJour" wrote

Did you work up the fox from scratch, or did you start with some sort
of CNC clipart?
--------------------
This is Canada.

They got the fox drunk and he held still while they digitally scanned him..
That is why the carving is so life like.

On Mar 22, 2:31*pm, "Lee Michaels" leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast
dot net wrote:
"RicodJour" wrote

Did you work up the fox from scratch, or did you start with some sort
of CNC clipart?

--------------------
This is Canada.

They got the fox drunk and he held still while they digitally scanned him...
That is why the carving is so life like.

Oh. I didn't know that. That sounds almost humane. It had crossed
my mind that he might have found fox roadkill and sprayed him with
some urethane for that "nugget" effect. Since the sign is probably
ten feet off the ground by the front door, the smell that would
eventually leak out would hasten people coming inside and hasten
people leaving - both good things.

R

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 14:31:07 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net wrote:



"RicodJour" wrote

Did you work up the fox from scratch, or did you start with some sort
of CNC clipart?
--------------------
This is Canada.

They got the fox drunk and he held still while they digitally scanned him..
That is why the carving is so life like.

Egad, a Molsen and Black Velvet fox? What's this world coming to?
You are today where your thoughts have brought you;
you will be tomorrow where your thoughts take you.
-- James Lane Allen

On Mar 22, 1:03*pm, RicodJour wrote:
On Mar 20, 4:52*pm, Robatoy wrote:



Section of sign machined with cnc.
The fox is HDU and the letters are 1/2" Corian with Gorilla glue laid
on top for that 'nugget' effect.http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o.../Foxdetail.jpg
The whole thing is coated in UV resistant FrogJuice.

Nifty. *I can imagine whole hordes of paying, puking customers under
that sign. *

Did you work up the fox from scratch, or did you start with some sort
of CNC clipart?
How much time did you spend computer modeling?

R

3D 'models' like the fox are readily available. Most of my output, is
stuff I model myself, especially when it comes to textures and back-
grounds. I steal and convert stuff all the time. A lot of the
'sculpting' is done in Photoshop as my modelling software can take 16-
bit grayscale and assign Z parameters from them. White is high, black
is low and 256,000 levels of height in between.
So when you throw Photoshop tools like airbrushes, smudge tools etc.
into the mix, gradients, brightness and contrast controls, well, you
get the picture. Distortion filters can be a hoot too. But, as always,
less is more.
That fox was a grayscale which I manipulated.
The software I use can import many different 3D files, some as meshes.
The importing of Adobe PDF (vector based) files is flawless. I handle
all my type in Illustrator, my objects in Vectorworks (sometimes via
Strata).... I make no apologies for having way too damned much fun.

"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
Section of sign machined with cnc.
The fox is HDU and the letters are 1/2" Corian with Gorilla glue laid
on top for that 'nugget' effect.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o.../Foxdetail.jpg
The whole thing is coated in UV resistant FrogJuice.


I still don't know about this stuff.

I can see it's probably fun to get a digital model and have a machine carve
it for you, but I still think there is something tragic about an economy in
which craft skills and artistry have been so undervalued that they have
totally disappeared. A pub sign of all things could celebrate an artisan's
ability. Can't anybody carve a fox any more?

Tim W

On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:03:53 +0100, "Tim W"
wrote:


"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
Section of sign machined with cnc.
The fox is HDU and the letters are 1/2" Corian with Gorilla glue laid
on top for that 'nugget' effect.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o.../Foxdetail.jpg
The whole thing is coated in UV resistant FrogJuice.


I still don't know about this stuff.

I can see it's probably fun to get a digital model and have a machine carve
it for you, but I still think there is something tragic about an economy in
which craft skills and artistry have been so undervalued that they have
totally disappeared. A pub sign of all things could celebrate an artisan's
ability. Can't anybody carve a fox any more?

I agree with the irony, but...

I'm sure he could have found someone to do it, but then -he- wouldn't
have made the money on it. Why sublet what you can do yourself with
your machine, which you're not quite done paying for?

--
Most people assume the fights are going to be the right versus the left,
but it always is the reasonable versus the jerks.
-- Jimmy Wales

On Mar 29, 5:03*am, "Tim W" wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message


Section of sign machined with cnc.
The fox is HDU and the letters are 1/2" Corian with Gorilla glue laid
on top for that 'nugget' effect.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o.../Foxdetail.jpg
The whole thing is coated in UV resistant FrogJuice.

I still don't know about this stuff.

I can see it's probably fun to get a digital model and have a machine carve
it for you, but I still think there is something *tragic about an economy in
which craft skills and artistry have been so undervalued that they have
totally disappeared. A pub sign of all things could celebrate an artisan's
ability. Can't anybody carve a fox any more?

In overall numbers I'd bet there are more people hand carving today
than ever before. Population growth worldwide has been doing okay for
itself.

I was at the Northeastern Woodworkers Association's 20th Annual Fine
Woodworking Show in Saratoga this past weekend and Epilog Laser had a
booth set up. The carving that the laser could do was stunning - the
detail would be almost possible for anything with a pulse, and the
time to hand carve it would be far too long to make it a profit making
possibility. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JicYoDIw8HM The Aztec
calendar took about half an hour to cut. Quite impressive. But it
did lack something.

Precise is not always synonymous with quality and appeal. For
instance, there was the 1/x version of the Epilog walking around at
the show and giving talks and demonstrations - Peter Follansbee. I
was far more impressed with Follansbee's work than the Epilog. Since
you like handwork, as I do, I think you'll like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9HBXBnt-e4 The blanket chest in that
video, about 50 seconds in, has three carved front panels and takes
him about three of four hours to carve...for all three. And he uses
about a dozen tools to do it.

Roba - not sure if Epilog's files will work with your CNC setup, but
it might be worth taking a look at their downloadable files. Maybe
there's something in there you could use/cannibalize.
http://www.epiloglaser.com/sample_club.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSiRuofOw8U

R

On Mar 29, 12:58*pm, RicodJour wrote:
On Mar 29, 5:03*am, "Tim W" wrote:





"Robatoy" wrote in message

Section of sign machined with cnc.
The fox is HDU and the letters are 1/2" Corian with Gorilla glue laid
on top for that 'nugget' effect.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o.../Foxdetail.jpg
The whole thing is coated in UV resistant FrogJuice.

I still don't know about this stuff.

I can see it's probably fun to get a digital model and have a machine carve
it for you, but I still think there is something *tragic about an economy in
which craft skills and artistry have been so undervalued that they have
totally disappeared. A pub sign of all things could celebrate an artisan's
ability. Can't anybody carve a fox any more?

In overall numbers I'd bet there are more people hand carving today
than ever before. *Population growth worldwide has been doing okay for
itself.

I was at the Northeastern Woodworkers Association's 20th Annual Fine
Woodworking Show in Saratoga this past weekend and Epilog Laser had a
booth set up. *The carving that the laser could do was stunning - the
detail would be almost possible for anything with a pulse, and the
time to hand carve it would be far too long to make it a profit making
possibility. *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JicYoDIw8HM*The Aztec
calendar took about half an hour to cut. *Quite impressive. *But it
did lack something.

Precise is not always synonymous with quality and appeal. *For
instance, there was the 1/x version of the Epilog walking around at
the show and giving talks and demonstrations - Peter Follansbee. *I
was far more impressed with Follansbee's work than the Epilog. *Since
you like handwork, as I do, I think you'll like this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9HBXBnt-e4*The blanket chest in that
video, about 50 seconds in, has three carved front panels and takes
him about three of four hours to carve...for all three. *And he uses
about a dozen tools to do it.

Roba - not sure if Epilog's files will work with your CNC setup, but
it might be worth taking a look at their downloadable files. *Maybe
there's something in there you could use/cannibalize.http://www.epiloglaser.com/sample_cl...?v=gSiRuofOw8U

R

A Mayan calender I cut. Less than an hour.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...anCalender.jpg

On Mar 29, 2:23*pm, Robatoy wrote:

A Mayan calender I cut. Less than an hour.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...anCalender.jpg

I think any calendar that has a central theme of a guy sticking his
tongue out at you doesn't bode well for the coming year.

Nice work. That looks to be, what?, 16" in diameter? The one I
posted, and the stuff I saw at the woodworking show was maybe 3" in
diameter, and the medallions they had at the show were as fine as an
engraving. Even dentists don't have bits that small (exaggeration,
but not by much). Was that calendar a paid project or were you just
playing around? I think that's one of the dangers of things like a
CNC router or laser - it's like a computer. You're supposed to be
doing work on it, but it's ever so much more fun to play around with
it.

R