A couple of years ago I got a selection of Abranet sanding discs (80 - 600)
as well as a backup pad to fit my PC ROS. I haven't used them a whole lot
but now I am doing a LOT of sanding. All of a suddent, the discs won't
"stick" to the backup pad. By stick I mean the little loops won't get caught
on the little hooks on the pad. If I visually inspect the discs that I have
used most, they seem to have a lot of white fuzz on them. It brushes off a
little bit when I hit the disc against the flat of my hand but not enough
to now stick to the pad. I may have a self inflicted problem he as the
ROS was slowing down when I turned it off, I put my hand on the surface of
the disc to slow the ROS down more quickly.

In any case, is the white fuzz I see broken off loops? When I look at a disc
that isn't sticking with a magnifying glass, I see the white "fuzz" appears
to be pulled out loops. I have an 80 disc that I have hardly used at all,
and under the magnifying glass it seems that the loops are lower down to the
surface of the disc where they can catch the hooks.

I'm guessing your answer is that I will have to buy new discs. My visual
inspection seems to show that. If that is the case, did I do this myself
when I put my palm on the disc to slow the ROS down or is this some kind of
normal wear? I can't find anything on the web about wear so I figured this
group would know the likely answer.

TIA.

Dick Snyder

On Jan 24, 2:28*pm, "Dick Snyder" wrote:
A couple of years ago I got a selection of Abranet sanding discs (80 - 600)
as well as a backup pad to fit my PC ROS. I haven't used them a whole lot
but now I am doing a LOT of sanding. All of a suddent, the discs won't
"stick" to the backup pad. By stick I mean the little loops won't get caught
on the little hooks on the pad. If I visually inspect the discs that I have
used most, they seem to have a lot of white fuzz on them. It brushes off a
little bit *when I hit the disc against the flat of my hand but not enough
to now stick to the pad. I may have a self inflicted problem he as the
ROS was slowing down when I turned it off, I put my hand on the surface of
the disc to slow the ROS down more quickly.

In any case, is the white fuzz I see broken off loops? When I look at a disc
that isn't sticking with a magnifying glass, I see the white "fuzz" appears
to be pulled out loops. I have an 80 disc *that I have hardly used at all,
and under the magnifying glass it seems that the loops are lower down to the
surface of the disc where they can catch the hooks.

I'm guessing your answer is that I will have to buy new discs. My visual
inspection seems to show that. If that is the case, did I do this myself
when I put my palm on the disc to slow the ROS down or is this some kind of
normal wear? I can't find anything on the web about wear so I figured this
group would know the likely answer.

TIA.

Dick Snyder

Maybe time to replace the pad my friend. Every coupla years it's gotta
be done.

RP

I can't find anything on the web about wear so I figured this
group would know the likely answer.

TIA.

Dick Snyder

I bought Abranet exactly once when I needed 6" hook and loop and that
was all the shop had available, I bought one combo pack of grits.
First the 80 grit lasted about 30 seconds before the loops gave loose
and the paper folder over a 1/2 inch or so makeing a hard crease and
it was useless. The 100 grit did the same thing a minute later. The
rest of the grits worked fine holding down other garbage in the can,
about what I felt they were useful for.

On Jan 24, 2:35*pm, "SonomaProducts.com" wrote:
*I can't find anything on the web about wear so I figured this

group would know the likely answer.

TIA.

Dick Snyder

I bought Abranet exactly once when I needed 6" hook and loop and that
was all the shop had available, I bought one combo pack of grits.
First the 80 grit lasted about 30 seconds before the loops gave loose
and the paper folder over a 1/2 inch or so makeing a hard crease and
it was useless. The 100 grit did the same thing a minute later. The
rest of the grits worked fine holding down other garbage in the can,
about what I felt they were useful for.

Geez, I thought that Abranet was supposed to be the hot ****. I reckon
I won't buy them.

RP

"SonomaProducts.com" wrote in message
...
I can't find anything on the web about wear so I figured this
group would know the likely answer.

TIA.

Dick Snyder

I bought Abranet exactly once when I needed 6" hook and loop and that
was all the shop had available, I bought one combo pack of grits.
First the 80 grit lasted about 30 seconds before the loops gave loose
and the paper folder over a 1/2 inch or so makeing a hard crease and
it was useless. The 100 grit did the same thing a minute later. The
rest of the grits worked fine holding down other garbage in the can,
about what I felt they were useful for.

I don't know if we are talking about the same product. Rather than go into a
lengthy description can you look here to see if we are talking about
something different (the discs I am using do not have a paper backing):

http://www.amazon.com/Mirka-Abranet-.../dp/B0019FSEZI

"Dick Snyder" wrote in message
...
A couple of years ago I got a selection of Abranet sanding discs (80 - 600)
as well as a backup pad to fit my PC ROS. I haven't used them a whole lot
but now I am doing a LOT of sanding. All of a suddent, the discs won't
"stick" to the backup pad. By stick I mean the little loops won't get
caught on the little hooks on the pad. If I visually inspect the discs that
I have used most, they seem to have a lot of white fuzz on them. It brushes
off a little bit when I hit the disc against the flat of my hand but not
enough to now stick to the pad. I may have a self inflicted problem he
as the ROS was slowing down when I turned it off, I put my hand on the
surface of the disc to slow the ROS down more quickly.

In any case, is the white fuzz I see broken off loops? When I look at a
disc that isn't sticking with a magnifying glass, I see the white "fuzz"
appears to be pulled out loops. I have an 80 disc that I have hardly used
at all, and under the magnifying glass it seems that the loops are lower
down to the surface of the disc where they can catch the hooks.

I'm guessing your answer is that I will have to buy new discs. My visual
inspection seems to show that. If that is the case, did I do this myself
when I put my palm on the disc to slow the ROS down or is this some kind
of normal wear? I can't find anything on the web about wear so I figured
this group would know the likely answer.

TIA.

Dick Snyder

I have the similar set up. IMHO Abranet needs to come up with a much better
attachment system. The disks work great and cut fast but they simply don't
hold on well. I will probably not buy any more and for the foreseeable
future stick with paper products.

On Jan 24, 2:54 pm, "Leon" wrote:
"Dick Snyder" wrote in message

...



A couple of years ago I got a selection of Abranet sanding discs (80 - 600)
as well as a backup pad to fit my PC ROS. I haven't used them a whole lot
but now I am doing a LOT of sanding. All of a suddent, the discs won't
"stick" to the backup pad. By stick I mean the little loops won't get
caught on the little hooks on the pad. If I visually inspect the discs that
I have used most, they seem to have a lot of white fuzz on them. It brushes
off a little bit when I hit the disc against the flat of my hand but not
enough to now stick to the pad. I may have a self inflicted problem he
as the ROS was slowing down when I turned it off, I put my hand on the
surface of the disc to slow the ROS down more quickly.

In any case, is the white fuzz I see broken off loops? When I look at a
disc that isn't sticking with a magnifying glass, I see the white "fuzz"
appears to be pulled out loops. I have an 80 disc that I have hardly used
at all, and under the magnifying glass it seems that the loops are lower
down to the surface of the disc where they can catch the hooks.

I'm guessing your answer is that I will have to buy new discs. My visual
inspection seems to show that. If that is the case, did I do this myself
when I put my palm on the disc to slow the ROS down or is this some kind
of normal wear? I can't find anything on the web about wear so I figured
this group would know the likely answer.

TIA.

Dick Snyder

I have the similar set up. IMHO Abranet needs to come up with a much better
attachment system. The disks work great and cut fast but they simply don't
hold on well. I will probably not buy any more and for the foreseeable
future stick with paper products.

I have been using Abranet for 20+ years. The hook and loop pattern of
theirs is not the same as the hooknloop that comes with PC sanders.
There is an intermediate pad (5bucks) that does stick to the coarser
hnl and convert to the very sticky Mirka standard.
I work closely with 2 other fabricators who use Abranet exclusively
and we are all pretty darn happy with the stuff.
You cannot overheat the pads, you need to replace the intermediate pad
often (I do it every couple of months)
The product is fine, but a complete waste if you're sanding wet pine.

a
lengthy description can you look here to see if we are talking about
something different (the discs I am using do not have a paper backing):

http://www.amazon.com/Mirka-Abranet-...sortment/dp/B0...

Thats the stuff. I was "told" it was the hot **** and this was at a
commercial tool store provider that focuses on woodworking. The mesh
seemed like a great idea for good dust collection without a need to
line up the holes. It just don't stick.

I guess some other poster says you need to some intermediate pad. News
to me. Not sure why they couldn't just make it normal. Maybe it is
great if you have the extra pad.

"SonomaProducts.com" wrote in message
...
a
lengthy description can you look here to see if we are talking about
something different (the discs I am using do not have a paper backing):

http://www.amazon.com/Mirka-Abranet-...sortment/dp/B0...

Thats the stuff. I was "told" it was the hot **** and this was at a
commercial tool store provider that focuses on woodworking. The mesh
seemed like a great idea for good dust collection without a need to
line up the holes. It just don't stick.

I guess some other poster says you need to some intermediate pad. News
to me. Not sure why they couldn't just make it normal. Maybe it is
great if you have the extra pad.

I have the intermediate pad. It exists so the hooks are not cut off
rubbingMine were not cut off but they are frayed. Here is a quote from a
reviewer on Amazon "Looking under a microscope it seems that some of the
hooks on the sander velcro pop through the open mesh structure of the
sanding abrasive. Once the hooks are damaged, nothing will stick to them.
The solution? Use the abranet pads that go between the sander and the
abrasive. I found out the hard way. "

I am still trying to figure out why so many of the loops on the actual discs
themselves are pulled out much like a loop is pulled out on a knitted item
like a sweater.

"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
On Jan 24, 2:54 pm, "Leon" wrote:
"Dick Snyder" wrote in message

...



A couple of years ago I got a selection of Abranet sanding discs (80 -
600)
as well as a backup pad to fit my PC ROS. I haven't used them a whole
lot
but now I am doing a LOT of sanding. All of a suddent, the discs won't
"stick" to the backup pad. By stick I mean the little loops won't get
caught on the little hooks on the pad. If I visually inspect the discs
that
I have used most, they seem to have a lot of white fuzz on them. It
brushes
off a little bit when I hit the disc against the flat of my hand but
not
enough to now stick to the pad. I may have a self inflicted problem
he
as the ROS was slowing down when I turned it off, I put my hand on the
surface of the disc to slow the ROS down more quickly.

In any case, is the white fuzz I see broken off loops? When I look at a
disc that isn't sticking with a magnifying glass, I see the white
"fuzz"
appears to be pulled out loops. I have an 80 disc that I have hardly
used
at all, and under the magnifying glass it seems that the loops are
lower
down to the surface of the disc where they can catch the hooks.

I'm guessing your answer is that I will have to buy new discs. My
visual
inspection seems to show that. If that is the case, did I do this
myself
when I put my palm on the disc to slow the ROS down or is this some
kind
of normal wear? I can't find anything on the web about wear so I
figured
this group would know the likely answer.

TIA.

Dick Snyder

I have the similar set up. IMHO Abranet needs to come up with a much
better
attachment system. The disks work great and cut fast but they simply
don't
hold on well. I will probably not buy any more and for the foreseeable
future stick with paper products.

I have been using Abranet for 20+ years. The hook and loop pattern of
theirs is not the same as the hooknloop that comes with PC sanders.
There is an intermediate pad (5bucks) that does stick to the coarser
hnl and convert to the very sticky Mirka standard.
I work closely with 2 other fabricators who use Abranet exclusively
and we are all pretty darn happy with the stuff.
You cannot overheat the pads, you need to replace the intermediate pad
often (I do it every couple of months)
The product is fine, but a complete waste if you're sanding wet pine.

I am sanding dry baltic birch. Do you have an idea why so many of my loops
were pulled out?

"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
On Jan 24, 2:54 pm, "Leon" wrote:
"Dick Snyder" wrote in message

I have the similar set up. IMHO Abranet needs to come up with a much
better
attachment system. The disks work great and cut fast but they simply
don't
hold on well. I will probably not buy any more and for the foreseeable
future stick with paper products.

I have been using Abranet for 20+ years. The hook and loop pattern of
theirs is not the same as the hooknloop that comes with PC sanders.
There is an intermediate pad (5bucks) that does stick to the coarser
hnl and convert to the very sticky Mirka standard.
I work closely with 2 other fabricators who use Abranet exclusively
and we are all pretty darn happy with the stuff.
You cannot overheat the pads, you need to replace the intermediate pad
often (I do it every couple of months)
The product is fine, but a complete waste if you're sanding wet pine.

No doubt you are having better luck. I am using the intermediate pad but it
should at last as long as the samples that came with it. ;~) I work a lot
of corners and sharp edges. The stuff tears and then will not stay in
place. In my case the paper tends to work out better being cheaper to
replace when it tears.

On Jan 24, 3:47*pm, Robatoy wrote:

I have been using Abranet for 20+ years. The hook and loop pattern of
theirs is not the same as the hooknloop that comes with PC sanders.
There is an intermediate pad (5bucks) that does stick to the coarser
hnl and convert to the very sticky Mirka standard.

Interesting. I've never used Mirka and I thought pretty much all hook
and loop for sanding was the same. Obviously not. Does Mirka spell
that out in large letters somewhere? Otherwise I could see sanders
taking flight in mid-job.

R

On Jan 24, 5:01*pm, "Leon" wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message

...





On Jan 24, 2:54 pm, "Leon" wrote:
"Dick Snyder" wrote in message

I have the similar set up. *IMHO Abranet needs to come up with a much
better
attachment system. *The disks work great and cut fast but they simply
don't
hold on well. *I will probably not buy any more and for the foreseeable
future stick with paper products.

I have been using Abranet for 20+ years. The hook and loop pattern of
theirs is not the same as the hooknloop that comes with PC sanders.
There is an intermediate pad (5bucks) that does stick to the coarser
hnl and convert to the very sticky Mirka standard.
I work closely with 2 other fabricators who use Abranet exclusively
and we are all pretty darn happy with the stuff.
You cannot overheat the pads, you need to replace the intermediate pad
often (I do it every couple of months)
The product is fine, but a complete waste if you're sanding wet pine.

No doubt you are having better luck. *I am using the intermediate pad but it
should at last as long as the samples that came with it. *;~) *I work a lot
of corners and sharp edges. *The stuff tears and then will not stay in
place. *In my case the paper tends to work out better being cheaper to
replace when it tears.

I never use the Rotex to radius or sand small pointy things... IMHO, I
think they're designed to sand flat things... maybe some larger
profiles. Edges and corners I sand by hand or a 1/4 sheet palm sander.

On Jan 24, 4:59*pm, "Dick Snyder" wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message

...





On Jan 24, 2:54 pm, "Leon" wrote:
"Dick Snyder" wrote in message

om...

A couple of years ago I got a selection of Abranet sanding discs (80 -
600)
as well as a backup pad to fit my PC ROS. I haven't used them a whole
lot
but now I am doing a LOT of sanding. All of a suddent, the discs won't
"stick" to the backup pad. By stick I mean the little loops won't get
caught on the little hooks on the pad. If I visually inspect the discs
that
I have used most, they seem to have a lot of white fuzz on them. It
brushes
off a little bit *when I hit the disc against the flat of my hand but
not
enough to now stick to the pad. I may have a self inflicted problem
he
as the ROS was slowing down when I turned it off, I put my hand on the
surface of the disc to slow the ROS down more quickly.

In any case, is the white fuzz I see broken off loops? When I look at a
disc that isn't sticking with a magnifying glass, I see the white
"fuzz"
appears to be pulled out loops. I have an 80 disc *that I have hardly
used
at all, and under the magnifying glass it seems that the loops are
lower
down to the surface of the disc where they can catch the hooks.

I'm guessing your answer is that I will have to buy new discs. My
visual
inspection seems to show that. If that is the case, did I do this
myself
when I put my palm on the disc to slow the ROS down or is this some
kind
of normal wear? I can't find anything on the web about wear so I
figured
this group would know the likely answer.

TIA.

Dick Snyder

I have the similar set up. *IMHO Abranet needs to come up with a much
better
attachment system. *The disks work great and cut fast but they simply
don't
hold on well. *I will probably not buy any more and for the foreseeable
future stick with paper products.

I have been using Abranet for 20+ years. The hook and loop pattern of
theirs is not the same as the hooknloop that comes with PC sanders.
There is an intermediate pad (5bucks) that does stick to the coarser
hnl and convert to the very sticky Mirka standard.
I work closely with 2 other fabricators who use Abranet exclusively
and we are all pretty darn happy with the stuff.
You cannot overheat the pads, you need to replace the intermediate pad
often (I do it every couple of months)
The product is fine, but a complete waste if you're sanding wet pine.

I am sanding dry baltic birch. Do you have an idea why so many of my loops
were pulled out?

Do you push down hard on the sander?

"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
On Jan 24, 4:59 pm, "Dick Snyder" wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message

...





On Jan 24, 2:54 pm, "Leon" wrote:
"Dick Snyder" wrote in message

om...

A couple of years ago I got a selection of Abranet sanding discs (80 -
600)
as well as a backup pad to fit my PC ROS. I haven't used them a whole
lot
but now I am doing a LOT of sanding. All of a suddent, the discs won't
"stick" to the backup pad. By stick I mean the little loops won't get
caught on the little hooks on the pad. If I visually inspect the discs
that
I have used most, they seem to have a lot of white fuzz on them. It
brushes
off a little bit when I hit the disc against the flat of my hand but
not
enough to now stick to the pad. I may have a self inflicted problem
he
as the ROS was slowing down when I turned it off, I put my hand on the
surface of the disc to slow the ROS down more quickly.

In any case, is the white fuzz I see broken off loops? When I look at
a
disc that isn't sticking with a magnifying glass, I see the white
"fuzz"
appears to be pulled out loops. I have an 80 disc that I have hardly
used
at all, and under the magnifying glass it seems that the loops are
lower
down to the surface of the disc where they can catch the hooks.

I'm guessing your answer is that I will have to buy new discs. My
visual
inspection seems to show that. If that is the case, did I do this
myself
when I put my palm on the disc to slow the ROS down or is this some
kind
of normal wear? I can't find anything on the web about wear so I
figured
this group would know the likely answer.

TIA.

Dick Snyder

I have the similar set up. IMHO Abranet needs to come up with a much
better
attachment system. The disks work great and cut fast but they simply
don't
hold on well. I will probably not buy any more and for the foreseeable
future stick with paper products.

I have been using Abranet for 20+ years. The hook and loop pattern of
theirs is not the same as the hooknloop that comes with PC sanders.
There is an intermediate pad (5bucks) that does stick to the coarser
hnl and convert to the very sticky Mirka standard.
I work closely with 2 other fabricators who use Abranet exclusively
and we are all pretty darn happy with the stuff.
You cannot overheat the pads, you need to replace the intermediate pad
often (I do it every couple of months)
The product is fine, but a complete waste if you're sanding wet pine.

I am sanding dry baltic birch. Do you have an idea why so many of my loops
were pulled out?

Do you push down hard on the sander?
No, not at all. Baltic birch is pretty smooth to start with of course. I am
putting urathane on it to get a nice blonde and smooth look for some drawers
in an entertainment center.

"Leon" wrote in message
...

"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
On Jan 24, 2:54 pm, "Leon" wrote:
"Dick Snyder" wrote in message

I have the similar set up. IMHO Abranet needs to come up with a much
better
attachment system. The disks work great and cut fast but they simply
don't
hold on well. I will probably not buy any more and for the foreseeable
future stick with paper products.

I have been using Abranet for 20+ years. The hook and loop pattern of
theirs is not the same as the hooknloop that comes with PC sanders.
There is an intermediate pad (5bucks) that does stick to the coarser
hnl and convert to the very sticky Mirka standard.
I work closely with 2 other fabricators who use Abranet exclusively
and we are all pretty darn happy with the stuff.
You cannot overheat the pads, you need to replace the intermediate pad
often (I do it every couple of months)
The product is fine, but a complete waste if you're sanding wet pine.

No doubt you are having better luck. I am using the intermediate pad but
it should at last as long as the samples that came with it. ;~) I work a
lot of corners and sharp edges. The stuff tears and then will not stay in
place. In my case the paper tends to work out better being cheaper to
replace when it tears.

My primary reason for buying the Abranet is that the pads are a mesh. With
my shop vac hooked up to the dust port on my ROS, I get next to no sawdust
in the air in my workshop

On Jan 24, 9:26*pm, "Dick Snyder" wrote:
"Leon" wrote in message

...





"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
On Jan 24, 2:54 pm, "Leon" wrote:
"Dick Snyder" wrote in message

I have the similar set up. *IMHO Abranet needs to come up with a much
better
attachment system. *The disks work great and cut fast but they simply
don't
hold on well. *I will probably not buy any more and for the foreseeable
future stick with paper products.

I have been using Abranet for 20+ years. The hook and loop pattern of
theirs is not the same as the hooknloop that comes with PC sanders.
There is an intermediate pad (5bucks) that does stick to the coarser
hnl and convert to the very sticky Mirka standard.
I work closely with 2 other fabricators who use Abranet exclusively
and we are all pretty darn happy with the stuff.
You cannot overheat the pads, you need to replace the intermediate pad
often (I do it every couple of months)
The product is fine, but a complete waste if you're sanding wet pine.

No doubt you are having better luck. *I am using the intermediate pad but
it should at last as long as the samples that came with it. *;~) *I work a
lot of corners and sharp edges. *The stuff tears and then will not stay in
place. *In my case the paper tends to work out better being cheaper to
replace when it tears.

My primary reason for buying the Abranet is that the pads are a mesh. With
my shop vac hooked up to the dust port on my ROS, I get next to no sawdust
in the air in my workshop

Yup, that is the upside of Abranet, as well as the longevity and
consistency of grit/cut.

On Jan 24, 5:08*pm, RicodJour wrote:
On Jan 24, 3:47*pm, Robatoy wrote:



I have been using Abranet for 20+ years. The hook and loop pattern of
theirs is not the same as the hooknloop that comes with PC sanders.
There is an intermediate pad (5bucks) that does stick to the coarser
hnl and convert to the very sticky Mirka standard.

Interesting. *I've never used Mirka and I thought pretty much all hook
and loop for sanding was the same. *Obviously not. *Does Mirka spell
that out in large letters somewhere? *Otherwise I could see sanders
taking flight in mid-job.

R

i use regular Mirka sandpapers....bought a bunch on sale from an
online company (i dunno which) The stuff in indestructable - works
great!


shelly

On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 17:19:04 -0800, smandel wrote:

i use regular Mirka sandpapers....bought a bunch on sale from an online
company (i dunno which) The stuff in indestructable - works great!

It's the best I'd ever used until I tried the Norton 3X disks. I won't
swear they last 3 times longer as they claim, but they definitely last
longer. But the last time I compared them, the 3X were about twice the
price of the Mirka. I think that makes the 3X a little cheaper
considering use, but it's not a huge difference.

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