"Gordon Shumway" wrote in message
...

Perhaps it's time to bring back the crusades...

I dunno; didn't the christians get their heads handed to them by the
Turks?

Dave in Houston

In ,
Tim Daneliuk spewed forth:
On 9/4/2010 5:51 AM, Han wrote:
Tim Daneliuk wrote in
:

How about a system like jury duty - you get selected randomly for 2
years in the House as a matter of civic duty. No running for office
and no second term. I cannot believe that a random selection of
citizens could be worse than the bottom-feeding algae that is
today's US Congress...

Tim, do you really want to have people assigned to Congress mostly
against their will? Who would they represent other than themselves?

I have no idea what would be a good system, other than idealists.


1) I was kidding.

2) People serving against their will couldn't possibly be worse than
those serving willingly.

I got this again today in an email.. It's been floating around for awhile
Sounds like a pretty good start, to me
YMMV

THIS IS HOW YOU FIX CONGRESS AND SENATE!!!


I am sending this to virtually everybody on my e-mail list and that includes
conservatives, liberals, and everybody in between. Even though we disagree
on a number of issues, I count all of you as friends.. My friend and
neighbor wants to promote a "Congressional Reform Act of 2010". It would
contain eight provisions, all of which would probably be strongly endorsed
by those who drafted the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

I know many of you will say, "this is impossible". Let me remind you,
Congress has the lowest approval of any entity in Government, now is the
time when Americans will join together to reform Congress - the entity that
represents us.

We need to get a Senator to introduce this bill in the US Senate and a
Representative to introduce a similar bill in the US House. These people
will become American hero's..

Thanks,
A Fellow American


Congressional Reform Act of 2010


1. Term Limits: 12 years only, one of the possible options below.

A. Two Six year Senate terms
B. Six Two year House terms
C. One Six year Senate term and three Two Year House terms

Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers
envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to
work.



2. No Tenure / No Pension:

A congressman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when
they are out of office.

Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers
envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to
work.



3. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security:

All funds in the Congressional retirement fund moves to the Social
Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security
system, Congress participates with the American people.

Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers
envisioned citizen legislators, server your term(s), then go home and back
to work.



4. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan just as all Americans.
Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers
envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to
work.


5. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay
will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.

Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers
envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back
to work.


6. Congress looses their current health care system and participates in the
same health care system as the American people.

Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers
envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to
work.


7. Congress must equally abide in all laws they impose on the American
people.

Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers
envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to
work.


8. All contracts with past and present congressmen are void effective
1/1/11.

The American people did not make this contract with congressmen,
congressmen made all these contracts for themselves.

Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career.. The Founding Fathers
envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back
to work.

"Larry Blanchard" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 05 Sep 2010 21:55:19 -0700, Lobby Dosser wrote:

snip

What's your issue?

On Mon, 06 Sep 2010 22:52:07 -0500, ChairMan wrote:

THIS IS HOW YOU FIX CONGRESS AND SENATE!!!

You know, that's a proposal I think both liberals and conservatives could
get behind. Add something about accepting money/gifts/services from
lobbyists, add something about public financing of *short* campaigns,
include a provision limiting bills to one subject, and we're almost there.

What's left are the career bureaucrats who will gain influence with
novice politicians - don't know how to fix that one. A similar problem
would exist with staff - they'd just transfer from one politician to his
successor.

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

In ,
Tim Daneliuk spewed forth:
On 9/7/2010 10:56 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Mon, 06 Sep 2010 22:52:07 -0500, ChairMan wrote:

THIS IS HOW YOU FIX CONGRESS AND SENATE!!!

You know, that's a proposal I think both liberals and conservatives
could get behind. Add something about accepting
money/gifts/services from lobbyists, add something about public
financing of *short* campaigns, include a provision limiting bills
to one subject, and we're almost there.

What's left are the career bureaucrats who will gain influence with
novice politicians - don't know how to fix that one. A similar
problem would exist with staff - they'd just transfer from one
politician to his successor.


How do you fix the problem that the pols are responding to their
constituents that constantly demand things they don't want to pay
for themselves? It's easy to blame the pols, but they're just
doing what they got elected to do: Take from some and give to
others...

To quote Mick
" You can't always git what you want"g
If they don't want to pay for it themselves, then they don't want it bad
enough
This "I want" attitude is killing us

On 9/7/2010 1:07 PM, ChairMan wrote:
In ,
Tim spewed forth:
On 9/7/2010 10:56 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Mon, 06 Sep 2010 22:52:07 -0500, ChairMan wrote:

THIS IS HOW YOU FIX CONGRESS AND SENATE!!!

You know, that's a proposal I think both liberals and conservatives
could get behind. Add something about accepting
money/gifts/services from lobbyists, add something about public
financing of *short* campaigns, include a provision limiting bills
to one subject, and we're almost there.

What's left are the career bureaucrats who will gain influence with
novice politicians - don't know how to fix that one. A similar
problem would exist with staff - they'd just transfer from one
politician to his successor.


How do you fix the problem that the pols are responding to their
constituents that constantly demand things they don't want to pay
for themselves? It's easy to blame the pols, but they're just
doing what they got elected to do: Take from some and give to
others...

To quote Mick
" You can't always git what you want"g
If they don't want to pay for it themselves, then they don't want it bad
enough
This "I want" attitude is killing us

The problem is that the Congress was never intended to be a proxy-voting
system. The idea was that the electorate would pick the best decision
makers they could and send them off to make decisions. That didn't last
very long.

On Sep 7, 1:11*pm, "J. Clarke" wrote:
On 9/7/2010 1:07 PM, ChairMan wrote:



,
Tim *spewed forth:
On 9/7/2010 10:56 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Mon, 06 Sep 2010 22:52:07 -0500, ChairMan wrote:

THIS IS HOW YOU FIX CONGRESS AND SENATE!!!

You know, that's a proposal I think both liberals and conservatives
could get behind. *Add something about accepting
money/gifts/services from lobbyists, add something about public
financing of *short* campaigns, include a provision limiting bills
to one subject, and we're almost there.

What's left are the career bureaucrats who will gain influence with
novice politicians - don't know how to fix that one. *A similar
problem would exist with staff - they'd just transfer from one
politician to his successor.

How do you fix the problem that the pols are responding to their
constituents that constantly demand things they don't want to pay
for themselves? * It's easy to blame the pols, but they're just
doing what they got elected to do: *Take from some and give to
others...

To quote Mick
" You can't always git what you want"g
If they don't want to pay for it themselves, then they don't want it bad
enough
This "I want" attitude is killing us

The problem is that the Congress was never intended to be a proxy-voting
system. *The idea was that the electorate would pick the best decision
makers they could and send them off to make decisions. *That didn't last
very long.

The 17th Amendment had a lot to do with that.

It worked!


"Lobby Dosser" wrote in message
...
What's your issue?



"Larry Blanchard" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 05 Sep 2010 21:55:19 -0700, Lobby Dosser wrote:

snip