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B a r r y wrote:
On 19 Apr 2004 17:48:41 -0700, (Phil Crow) wrote: How far is Virginia Tech from Cleveland, anyway? How about CT? I was in Norfolk about 8 weeks ago. How far from Norfolk? All I need is a place for my 8' square tent, a shower, and a bathroom. I can also see 15 'wreck boys and girls arguing on the right way to cut the joint and which CMS is within .000001 of square. G I think we should agree (ahead of time) that the construction effort should be limited to the shop building itself - and specifically exclude planters of any kind (especially planters with more than four sides :-) Might speed things up if we have a couple of compressors with multi-coupling manifolds. A nail gun per wall could speed things up considerably... -- Morris Dovey DeSoto, Iowa USA |
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"Morris Dovey" wrote in message ... B a r r y wrote: On 19 Apr 2004 17:48:41 -0700, (Phil Crow) wrote: How far is Virginia Tech from Cleveland, anyway? How about CT? I was in Norfolk about 8 weeks ago. How far from Norfolk? All I need is a place for my 8' square tent, a shower, and a bathroom. I can also see 15 'wreck boys and girls arguing on the right way to cut the joint and which CMS is within .000001 of square. G I think we should agree (ahead of time) that the construction effort should be limited to the shop building itself - and specifically exclude planters of any kind (especially planters with more than four sides :-) Might speed things up if we have a couple of compressors with multi-coupling manifolds. A nail gun per wall could speed things up considerably... -- Morris Dovey DeSoto, Iowa USA |
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JOAT asks:
Don't I have to get shots, a travel visa, or something, to go to Virginia? Tarheels just have to leave hostages. Charlie Self "Ambidextrous, adj.: Able to pick with equal skill a right-hand pocket or a left." Ambrose Bierce |
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CW wrote:
What's even worse is when you get used to having him mow then he grows up and moves out. True enough, but this is the 21st century, so I get a few more years of free mowing while I sit back with a beer and watch my little princess sweat her ass off behind the mower. :) Either way, they'll both be gone right about the time I'm starting to really get creaky in the knees. That's when I'm going to buy a huge tank full of Round-Up, nuke everything, and put down green astroturf. :) -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ |
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patriarch wrote:
bought himself a $20 billy goat, who loves to eat poison oak, grass, and Not the cutest, most cuddly looking creature I ever saw. His wife calls the goat 'Lucifer'. ;-) Those critters do have a demonic look, don't they? It's the weird eyes. I know lotsa people with goats. Usually people with big spreads and fences though. -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ |
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Silvan responds:
bought himself a $20 billy goat, who loves to eat poison oak, grass, and Not the cutest, most cuddly looking creature I ever saw. His wife calls the goat 'Lucifer'. ;-) Those critters do have a demonic look, don't they? It's the weird eyes. I know lotsa people with goats. Usually people with big spreads and fences though. I wonoder...it is said that people come to resemble their pets. Bad enough to look like a pit bull, but a goat.... And what a voice! Charlie Self "Ambidextrous, adj.: Able to pick with equal skill a right-hand pocket or a left." Ambrose Bierce |
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J T wrote:
Don't I have to get shots, a travel visa, or something, to go to Virginia? You're thinking of Pennslvania. -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ |
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jo4hn wrote:
Maybe some of youse guys that live withing driving distance of Silvan should get together and stick frame him a workshop. One weekend to run plumbing, electrics, and pour a slab, and a second to frame it and close it in. Need a retired contractor or two to put together a plan (windows, barn doors, etc) and to get the dreaded permits. Sign up sheets for volunteers. I'll contribute $50 for donuts and coffee or romex or whatever. Somebody out there want to start this up? Yeah, if only. :) Free labor is only half the battle. Just the slab alone is more than I really want to even think about. Readymix is hella expensive, but Quickrete is hella expensive. I looked at doing a little 8' x 8' slab to go under my plastic junk shed, and it was going to cost around $200 IIRC. Scale that up to 400 sq. ft. and it looks like about $1200 for the concrete and fixins alone. Ugh. My budget is about $7.50. I don't think this is gonna fly anytime soon, unless one of you Wreckers has figured out how to crap concrete? :) -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ |
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Charlie Self wrote:
Hell, I'll try to remember to toss my extra 250' of #12 on the truck this coming weekend as I head down to Bedford. I've also got maybe 75-100' of #10 in the shop down there. But he's gotta come get it. I won't have time to roll up to B'burg. Actually, I'll roll through it twice, at ungodly Hrm... If you wanna toss some wire in my yard as you drive by, I won't object. I'll need it someday, and wire doesn't rot. But it's going to be several years before any of this comes anywhere close to happening. Dreaming is one thing, but this is all just a big dream right now. It's at least three years before I'm in a position to even start making serious plans. Hafta take a look around myself then and see where I am. Thanks for everybody's thoughts though. If wishes were workshops than Wreckers would all have 50,000 sq. ft. and a Triple Unisaurus Maximus. -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ |
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"Silvan" wrote in message ... jo4hn wrote: Maybe some of youse guys that live withing driving distance of Silvan should get together and stick frame him a workshop. One weekend to run plumbing, electrics, and pour a slab, and a second to frame it and close it in. Need a retired contractor or two to put together a plan (windows, barn doors, etc) and to get the dreaded permits. Sign up sheets for volunteers. I'll contribute $50 for donuts and coffee or romex or whatever. Somebody out there want to start this up? Yeah, if only. :) Free labor is only half the battle. Just the slab alone is more than I really want to even think about. Readymix is hella expensive, but Quickrete is hella expensive. I looked at doing a little 8' x 8' slab to go under my plastic junk shed, and it was going to cost around $200 IIRC. Scale that up to 400 sq. ft. and it looks like about $1200 for the concrete and fixins alone. Ugh. My budget is about $7.50. I don't think this is gonna fly anytime soon, unless one of you Wreckers has figured out how to crap concrete? :) you don't buy this much by the bag, but by the cubic yard mixed in a big truck. it's a LOT cheaper that way. you just have to have the manpower (personpower?) available to hump it where it needs to go as a pumper truck is a bunch of money. |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 09:09:02 -0400, Silvan
wrote: CW wrote: What's even worse is when you get used to having him mow then he grows up and moves out. True enough, but this is the 21st century, so I get a few more years of free mowing while I sit back with a beer and watch my little princess sweat her ass off behind the mower. :) Either way, they'll both be gone right about the time I'm starting to really get creaky in the knees. That's when I'm going to buy a huge tank full of Round-Up, nuke everything, and put down green astroturf. :) or just plot out the mow path and watch the mower sweat its *own* ass off... |
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Silvan wrote:
Thanks for everybody's thoughts though. If wishes were workshops than Wreckers would all have 50,000 sq. ft. and a Triple Unisaurus Maximus. .... in the entryway ... g -- Mark |
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Silvan wrote:
My budget is about $7.50. I don't think this is gonna fly anytime soon, unless one of you Wreckers has figured out how to crap concrete? :) Can you make friends with a local cement company? Lots of times there's a little left in the truck when the customer's forms are filled. It may take awhile at a half yard a throw but the price is right. ;-) -- Mark |
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That's what I said too. Excuse me while I go mow the lawn...
"Silvan" wrote in message news:ec8il1- That's when I'm going to buy a huge tank full of Round-Up, nuke everything, and put down green astroturf. :) -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 13:48:54 -0400, Silvan wrote:
-snip- I looked at doing a little 8' x 8' slab to go under my plastic junk shed, and it was going to cost around $200 IIRC. Scale that up to 400 sq. ft. and it looks like about $1200 for the concrete and fixins alone. Ugh. My budget is about $7.50. I don't think this is gonna fly anytime soon, unless one of you Wreckers has figured out how to crap concrete? :) I think (hope?) your scale factor was too high. IIRC, the cost of the last readymix I bought (about 2 yards) was mostly delivery charges. That portion that was per yard concrete cost would scale, but the delivery charge should be constant and shouldn't scale with the size of the slab. Very rough and dirty estimating on my part, but 400 sq ft would equate to approximately 5 yds of concrete which should run somewhere in the $500 - $600 range delivered. Of course your local costs could be wildly different from what we see here. This subject sparks my interest because I am fairly early in the planning stages of a combination equipment shed, storage building, woodshop enlargement that will total about 1200 sq ft with about 150 feet of footings and foundation wall. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 35 yds of concrete. At your $200/yd figure, I'd be looking at about $7K just for the concrete. I don't have quotes yet, but that's a lot more than I'm expecting.. Tom Veatch Wichita, KS USA |
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Tom Veatch wrote:
concrete. At your $200/yd figure, I'd be looking at about $7K just for the concrete. I don't have quotes yet, but that's a lot more than I'm expecting.. Hey, I hope I'm wrong too. :) You're almost certainly right about how I was being too simplistic in scaling it up that way. I know it works that way with gravel. $75 for one ton, or $100 for 10 tons. -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ |
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CW wrote:
That's when I'm going to buy a huge tank full of Round-Up, nuke everything, and put down green astroturf. :) That's what I said too. Excuse me while I go mow the lawn... You priced Round-Up too, didja? sigh -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ |
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Mark & Juanita wrote:
astroturf will require maintenance -- go with river rock or pea gravel. On a more serious note, 20+ years from now I won't have to worry about it so much anyway. I have a willow, a maple, a birch, another birch, three dogwoods, two redbuds, a hawthorn, five or six crab apples, two lilacs, about six roses of sharon, some flavor of eating apple, some hazlenut bushes, a Japanese maple... All this on 1/3 of an acre. You might say I like trees. :) OTOH, I planted a buncha Arbor Day trees in Mom's back yard about 15 years ago... They're much, much bigger now, but the grass under them, unfortunately, still requires mowing. It takes a long time to turn a yard back into a forest. -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ |
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Silvan writes:
Tom Veatch wrote: concrete. At your $200/yd figure, I'd be looking at about $7K just for the concrete. I don't have quotes yet, but that's a lot more than I'm expecting.. Hey, I hope I'm wrong too. :) You're almost certainly right about how I was being too simplistic in scaling it up that way. I know it works that way with gravel. $75 for one ton, or $100 for 10 tons. Not so's I've ever seen, but $200 a yard is way high. I haven't checked in 3 years, but in the Bedford area, it was around 60-65 bucks a yard then, IIRC. You'd probably be stuck with a delivery charge on 2-3 yards, but over that, maybe not, so that should serve as "scaling." Charlie Self "Ambidextrous, adj.: Able to pick with equal skill a right-hand pocket or a left." Ambrose Bierce |
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Silvan writes:
On a more serious note, 20+ years from now I won't have to worry about it so much anyway. I have a willow, a maple, a birch, another birch, three dogwoods, two redbuds, a hawthorn, five or six crab apples, two lilacs, about six roses of sharon, some flavor of eating apple, some hazlenut bushes, a Japanese maple... All this on 1/3 of an acre. You might say I like trees. :) OTOH, I planted a buncha Arbor Day trees in Mom's back yard about 15 years ago... They're much, much bigger now, but the grass under them, unfortunately, still requires mowing. It takes a long time to turn a yard back into a forest. Stick in some pin oaks. Decent habitat and in 15 years you won't even know there's a lawn under 'em. Wish I'd done that with 90% of mine, instead of only a couple. Branches have a droop to them that brings them right down to the ground, so once they leaf out, any grass that lives through the growth. Charlie Self "Ambidextrous, adj.: Able to pick with equal skill a right-hand pocket or a left." Ambrose Bierce |
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Charlie Self wrote:
Not so's I've ever seen, but $200 a yard is way high. I haven't checked in 3 years, but in the Bedford area, it was around 60-65 bucks a yard then, IIRC. You'd probably be stuck with a delivery charge on 2-3 yards, but over that, maybe not, so that should serve as "scaling." Part of my $200 figure was because they have to send a truck with an extra-long snoot and it's just generally going to be an above average PITA for them compared to a typical job. I'm pushing the limits of what they can do. Though actually, I saw my neighbor have a dump truck run right down his yard and to his out-building area to dump a load of gravel. He pulls off his carport, drives around behind his house and then through the front yard to get back out. He doesn't give a crap about landscaping. He might let me just have the damn truck drive down his yard and get 15' away from the site with no obstructions to speak of. Especially if I throw in some of whatever hooch he favors. Oh well. I'm only daydreaming anyway. It ain't gonna happen this year, or the next. Maybe never. Big things have a way of turning into a carrot on the end of a stick. Usually that's because if it takes long enough to get there, I finally come to my damn senses and make do with something more practical. -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ |
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Last year I bought 2&1/2 gals of the 41% concentrate at Costco
for $150. Still expensive but much better than buying the quart size bottles. I split it with my neighbor and still have enough to last thru this summer. Art "Silvan" wrote snip You priced Round-Up too, didja? sigh |
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