Really?
 

http://reason.com/blog/2010/05/05/vi...id-on-missouri

Really?
 

Robatoy wrote:
http://reason.com/blog/2010/05/05/vi...id-on-missouri

Sure. People who keep track of this sort of thing say it happens all the
time.

In 2008, the MAYOR of a Maryland town was brought to Jesus by the local SWAT
team. Got their little dogs too.

Really?
 

On May 10, 4:27*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Robatoy wrote:
http://reason.com/blog/2010/05/05/vi...id-on-missouri

Sure. People who keep track of this sort of thing say it happens all the
time.

In 2008, the MAYOR of a Maryland town was brought to Jesus by the local SWAT
team. Got their little dogs too.

It is awful hard not to Godwin a response.

Really?
 

On Mon, 10 May 2010 13:06:37 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
wrote:

http://reason.com/blog/2010/05/05/vi...id-on-missouri

Yep it really happened

Really?
 

In ,
Robatoy spewed forth:
http://reason.com/blog/2010/05/05/vi...id-on-missouri

They'll probably confiscate their home and cars under the zero tolerance
law, too.
F**KIN" *******S need to be charged

Really?
 

http://reason.com/blog/2010/05/05/vi...id-on-missouri

Yeah, looks bad.... really bad.

But it highlights another problem too. Namely, press coverage
(especially internet coverage) with little or no backup information on
which to decide. The video looks condemning, and I fully understand
the implications discussed so far.

But I know NOTHING beyond the little video and commentary on the
webpage.

Do the parents have a prior history of major drug dealing, firearms
possession, or child endangerment? Any prior arrests or convictions,
or connections with convicted criminals? Did the judge who issued the
warrant have adequate justification? Was the use of a SWAT team
justified by previous information? Was the child endagerment charge
solely related to the pot possession charge, or were the parents also
indicted for running a meth lab elsewhere?

I DON'T KNOW. I need to know such information before I can act as
juror.

-Zz

Really?
 

Robatoy wrote:
On May 10, 4:27 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Robatoy wrote:
http://reason.com/blog/2010/05/05/vi...id-on-missouri

Sure. People who keep track of this sort of thing say it happens all
the time.

In 2008, the MAYOR of a Maryland town was brought to Jesus by the
local SWAT team. Got their little dogs too.

It is awful hard not to Godwin a response.

One pundit asked:

"Do we really want to live in a country where when someone busts into your
house at night you're supposed to
assume they might be cops?"


http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...he-year/56385/

Really?
 

"Zz Yzx" wrote in message
...

Do the parents have a prior history of major drug dealing, firearms
possession, or child endangerment? Any prior arrests or convictions,
or connections with convicted criminals? Did the judge who issued the
warrant have adequate justification? Was the use of a SWAT team
justified by previous information? Was the child endagerment charge
solely related to the pot possession charge, or were the parents also
indicted for running a meth lab elsewhere?

I know some fellows who train local SWAT teams, and as a rule they don't
hold them in very high regard. Local departments get federal money to equip
these teams as part of that enormous ongoing comedy act, The War On Drugs.
But they don't get enough training and most of the officers spend most of
their time writing traffic tickets and locking up drunks--the SAS they are
not. You can see and hear it in this video, that raid is amateur night at
the local bar and grill. You can hear one cop yelling to the others to
"slow it down" because he knows they're getting excited and messing up, they
don't know if the suspect is cuffed yet or not, they're barging around like
it's their first time. If it's true they shot at a *Corgi* in addition to
the pit bull--well that's pathetic. It also kind of sounds like the child
endangerment charge is them and the DA, embarrassed, reaching for
something--anything--to justify their Keystone Cops raid.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn the parents are far from innocent. But the
cops are supposed to be better than that, when they do a full-on raid with
body armor and heavy firepower they had better drag out a few illegal
weapons and a steamer-trunk of heinous chemicals, not a misdemeanor amount
of weed.

Really?
 

On 5/10/2010 3:06 PM, Robatoy wrote:

http://reason.com/blog/2010/05/05/vi...id-on-missouri

They said they killed the pups because they couldn't understand an order
to back off... Eh?

I'm sure they never considered that the 7 year-old child might grow up
fearing and hating all cops.

It might be a good idea to have the child's hearing tested. If it has
been damaged, then the individuals responsible should be held fully
accountable for that injury.

I'm also thinking that the people of Columbia might benefit from
publishing the names of the SWAT team members - and from finding grounds
for retiring the chief, the detective who filed for the search warrant,
and the entire SWAT team without pay or pension.

Come to think of it, the names of the "reliable informants" should be
published as well.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

Really?
 

"DGDevin" wrote in message
m...

"Zz Yzx" wrote in message
...

Do the parents have a prior history of major drug dealing, firearms
possession, or child endangerment? Any prior arrests or convictions,
or connections with convicted criminals? Did the judge who issued the
warrant have adequate justification? Was the use of a SWAT team
justified by previous information? Was the child endagerment charge
solely related to the pot possession charge, or were the parents also
indicted for running a meth lab elsewhere?

I know some fellows who train local SWAT teams, and as a rule they don't
hold them in very high regard. Local departments get federal money to
equip these teams as part of that enormous ongoing comedy act, The War On
Drugs. But they don't get enough training and most of the officers spend
most of their time writing traffic tickets and locking up drunks--the SAS
they are not. You can see and hear it in this video, that raid is amateur
night at the local bar and grill. You can hear one cop yelling to the
others to "slow it down" because he knows they're getting excited and
messing up, they don't know if the suspect is cuffed yet or not, they're
barging around like it's their first time. If it's true they shot at a
*Corgi* in addition to the pit bull--well that's pathetic. It also kind
of sounds like the child endangerment charge is them and the DA,
embarrassed, reaching for something--anything--to justify their Keystone
Cops raid.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn the parents are far from innocent. But
the cops are supposed to be better than that, when they do a full-on raid
with body armor and heavy firepower they had better drag out a few illegal
weapons and a steamer-trunk of heinous chemicals, not a misdemeanor amount
of weed.


And wouldn't it make more sense to wait until the 'suspects' leave the house
and arrest them as they exit.

Really?
 

"Lobby Dosser" wrote in message
...
"DGDevin" wrote in message
m...

"Zz Yzx" wrote in message
...

Do the parents have a prior history of major drug dealing, firearms
possession, or child endangerment? Any prior arrests or convictions,
or connections with convicted criminals? Did the judge who issued the
warrant have adequate justification? Was the use of a SWAT team
justified by previous information? Was the child endagerment charge
solely related to the pot possession charge, or were the parents also
indicted for running a meth lab elsewhere?

I know some fellows who train local SWAT teams, and as a rule they don't
hold them in very high regard. Local departments get federal money to
equip these teams as part of that enormous ongoing comedy act, The War On
Drugs. But they don't get enough training and most of the officers spend
most of their time writing traffic tickets and locking up drunks--the SAS
they are not. You can see and hear it in this video, that raid is
amateur night at the local bar and grill. You can hear one cop yelling
to the others to "slow it down" because he knows they're getting excited
and messing up, they don't know if the suspect is cuffed yet or not,
they're barging around like it's their first time. If it's true they
shot at a *Corgi* in addition to the pit bull--well that's pathetic. It
also kind of sounds like the child endangerment charge is them and the
DA, embarrassed, reaching for something--anything--to justify their
Keystone Cops raid.

Shooting a Corgi is senseless, I have 30 something(I'd have to count)
of these beast and the worst thing they would be guilty of would be
slobbering on the swat team in hope of begging treats from them.

basilisk


I wouldn't be surprised to learn the parents are far from innocent. But
the cops are supposed to be better than that, when they do a full-on raid
with body armor and heavy firepower they had better drag out a few
illegal weapons and a steamer-trunk of heinous chemicals, not a
misdemeanor amount of weed.


And wouldn't it make more sense to wait until the 'suspects' leave the
house and arrest them as they exit.

Really?
 

On May 11, 2:37*am, "Lobby Dosser" wrote:
"DGDevin" wrote in message

m...







"Zz Yzx" wrote in message
.. .

Do the parents have a prior history of major drug dealing, firearms
possession, or child endangerment? *Any prior arrests or convictions,
or connections with convicted criminals? *Did the judge who issued the
warrant have adequate justification? *Was the use of a SWAT team
justified by previous information? *Was the child endagerment charge
solely related to the pot possession charge, or were the parents also
indicted for running a meth lab elsewhere?

I know some fellows who train local SWAT teams, and as a rule they don't
hold them in very high regard. *Local departments get federal money to
equip these teams as part of that enormous ongoing comedy act, The War On
Drugs. But they don't get enough training and most of the officers spend
most of their time writing traffic tickets and locking up drunks--the SAS
they are not. *You can see and hear it in this video, that raid is amateur
night at the local bar and grill. *You can hear one cop yelling to the
others to "slow it down" because he knows they're getting excited and
messing up, they don't know if the suspect is cuffed yet or not, they're
barging around like it's their first time. *If it's true they shot at a
*Corgi* in addition to the pit bull--well that's pathetic. *It also kind
of sounds like the child endangerment charge is them and the DA,
embarrassed, reaching for something--anything--to justify their Keystone
Cops raid.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn the parents are far from innocent. *But
the cops are supposed to be better than that, when they do a full-on raid
with body armor and heavy firepower they had better drag out a few illegal
weapons and a steamer-trunk of heinous chemicals, not a misdemeanor amount
of weed.

And wouldn't it make more sense to wait until the 'suspects' leave the house
and arrest them as they exit.

Yes, but then they don't get shoot dogs and stomp on people whilst
playing cops and robbers games. IOW, they get to play out their
sadistic tough-guy ****. (Take those suits and weapons away, and most
of those thumb-suckers would curl up in a fetal position and cry for
their mommies, because 'real' men they're not.)

Really?
 

On 5/11/2010 2:37 AM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
"DGDevin" wrote in message
m...

"Zz Yzx" wrote in message
...

Do the parents have a prior history of major drug dealing, firearms
possession, or child endangerment? Any prior arrests or convictions,
or connections with convicted criminals? Did the judge who issued the
warrant have adequate justification? Was the use of a SWAT team
justified by previous information? Was the child endagerment charge
solely related to the pot possession charge, or were the parents also
indicted for running a meth lab elsewhere?

I know some fellows who train local SWAT teams, and as a rule they
don't hold them in very high regard. Local departments get federal
money to equip these teams as part of that enormous ongoing comedy
act, The War On Drugs. But they don't get enough training and most of
the officers spend most of their time writing traffic tickets and
locking up drunks--the SAS they are not. You can see and hear it in
this video, that raid is amateur night at the local bar and grill. You
can hear one cop yelling to the others to "slow it down" because he
knows they're getting excited and messing up, they don't know if the
suspect is cuffed yet or not, they're barging around like it's their
first time. If it's true they shot at a *Corgi* in addition to the pit
bull--well that's pathetic. It also kind of sounds like the child
endangerment charge is them and the DA, embarrassed, reaching for
something--anything--to justify their Keystone Cops raid.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn the parents are far from innocent.
But the cops are supposed to be better than that, when they do a
full-on raid with body armor and heavy firepower they had better drag
out a few illegal weapons and a steamer-trunk of heinous chemicals,
not a misdemeanor amount of weed.


And wouldn't it make more sense to wait until the 'suspects' leave the
house and arrest them as they exit.

What, a government agency do something that makes sense?!?!?!?! Dream on.

Really?
 

On May 11, 1:37*am, "Lobby Dosser" wrote:
"DGDevin" wrote in message

m...





"Zz Yzx" wrote in message
.. .

Do the parents have a prior history of major drug dealing, firearms
possession, or child endangerment? *Any prior arrests or convictions,
or connections with convicted criminals? *Did the judge who issued the
warrant have adequate justification? *Was the use of a SWAT team
justified by previous information? *Was the child endagerment charge
solely related to the pot possession charge, or were the parents also
indicted for running a meth lab elsewhere?

I know some fellows who train local SWAT teams, and as a rule they don't
hold them in very high regard. *Local departments get federal money to
equip these teams as part of that enormous ongoing comedy act, The War On
Drugs. But they don't get enough training and most of the officers spend
most of their time writing traffic tickets and locking up drunks--the SAS
they are not. *You can see and hear it in this video, that raid is amateur
night at the local bar and grill. *You can hear one cop yelling to the
others to "slow it down" because he knows they're getting excited and
messing up, they don't know if the suspect is cuffed yet or not, they're
barging around like it's their first time. *If it's true they shot at a
*Corgi* in addition to the pit bull--well that's pathetic. *It also kind
of sounds like the child endangerment charge is them and the DA,
embarrassed, reaching for something--anything--to justify their Keystone
Cops raid.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn the parents are far from innocent. *But
the cops are supposed to be better than that, when they do a full-on raid
with body armor and heavy firepower they had better drag out a few illegal
weapons and a steamer-trunk of heinous chemicals, not a misdemeanor amount
of weed.

And wouldn't it make more sense to wait until the 'suspects' leave the house
and arrest them as they exit.

Wouldn't it have made sense if Janet Reno had decided to wait for
David Koresh to go into town to buy a sixpack?

Really?
 

On 5/10/2010 11:50 PM, Morris Dovey wrote:

They said they killed the pups because they couldn't understand an order
to back off... Eh?

I'm sure they never considered that the 7 year-old child might grow up
fearing and hating all cops.

It might be a good idea to have the child's hearing tested. If it has
been damaged, then the individuals responsible should be held fully
accountable for that injury.

I'm also thinking that the people of Columbia might benefit from
publishing the names of the SWAT team members - and from finding grounds
for retiring the chief, the detective who filed for the search warrant,
and the entire SWAT team without pay or pension.

Come to think of it, the names of the "reliable informants" should be
published as well.

When I came back from the service in the early 70's and observed how the
local police were being trained in military tactics, my initial reaction
was that there was no one to practice their new military skills on but
the citizenry.

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)

Really?
 

On May 11, 9:22*am, Swingman wrote:
On 5/10/2010 11:50 PM, Morris Dovey wrote:





They said they killed the pups because they couldn't understand an order
to back off... Eh?

I'm sure they never considered that the 7 year-old child might grow up
fearing and hating all cops.

It might be a good idea to have the child's hearing tested. If it has
been damaged, then the individuals responsible should be held fully
accountable for that injury.

I'm also thinking that the people of Columbia might benefit from
publishing the names of the SWAT team members - and from finding grounds
for retiring the chief, the detective who filed for the search warrant,
and the entire SWAT team without pay or pension.

Come to think of it, the names of the "reliable informants" should be
published as well.

When I came back from the service in the early 70's and observed how the
local police were being trained in military tactics, my initial reaction
was that there was no one to practice their new military skills on but
the citizenry.

--www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)

Really?
 

On May 11, 9:38*am, Robert Sekeris wrote:
On May 11, 9:22*am, Swingman wrote:



On 5/10/2010 11:50 PM, Morris Dovey wrote:

They said they killed the pups because they couldn't understand an order
to back off... Eh?

I'm sure they never considered that the 7 year-old child might grow up
fearing and hating all cops.

It might be a good idea to have the child's hearing tested. If it has
been damaged, then the individuals responsible should be held fully
accountable for that injury.

I'm also thinking that the people of Columbia might benefit from
publishing the names of the SWAT team members - and from finding grounds
for retiring the chief, the detective who filed for the search warrant,
and the entire SWAT team without pay or pension.

Come to think of it, the names of the "reliable informants" should be
published as well.

When I came back from the service in the early 70's and observed how the
local police were being trained in military tactics, my initial reaction
was that there was no one to practice their new military skills on but
the citizenry.

--www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)

No partisanship when it comes to the desire to wear jack-boots.

Really?
 

On May 11, 9:42*am, Robert Sekeris wrote:
On May 11, 9:38*am, Robert Sekeris wrote:





On May 11, 9:22*am, Swingman wrote:

On 5/10/2010 11:50 PM, Morris Dovey wrote:

They said they killed the pups because they couldn't understand an order
to back off... Eh?

I'm sure they never considered that the 7 year-old child might grow up
fearing and hating all cops.

It might be a good idea to have the child's hearing tested. If it has
been damaged, then the individuals responsible should be held fully
accountable for that injury.

I'm also thinking that the people of Columbia might benefit from
publishing the names of the SWAT team members - and from finding grounds
for retiring the chief, the detective who filed for the search warrant,
and the entire SWAT team without pay or pension.

Come to think of it, the names of the "reliable informants" should be
published as well.

When I came back from the service in the early 70's and observed how the
local police were being trained in military tactics, my initial reaction
was that there was no one to practice their new military skills on but
the citizenry.

--www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)

No partisanship when it comes to the desire to wear jack-boots.

I WILL get this right...fargin' gmailcrappola.
I figured that I would just change my user name 'Robatoy' to another e-
mail addy..but nooooooooooo
So let's see what happened here...

Really?
 

"Robert Sekeris" wrote

I WILL get this right...fargin' gmailcrappola.
I figured that I would just change my user name 'Robatoy' to another e-
mail addy..but nooooooooooo
So let's see what happened here...
=================

Welcome to the newsgroup Robert.

Just who are you?

Really?
 

On May 11, 10:11*am, "Lee Michaels"
wrote:
"Robert Sekeris" *wrote

I WILL get this right...fargin' gmailcrappola.
I figured that I would just change my user name 'Robatoy' to another e-
mail addy..but nooooooooooo
So let's see what happened here...
=================

Welcome to the newsgroup Robert.

Just who are you?

Smarteepants!!!

Really?
 

On 5/11/2010 9:11 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
"Robert Sekeris" wrote

I WILL get this right...fargin' gmailcrappola.
I figured that I would just change my user name 'Robatoy' to another e-
mail addy..but nooooooooooo
So let's see what happened here...
=================

Welcome to the newsgroup Robert.

Just who are you?

Obviously Angela's husband ... you reckon she's rolling her eyes about
now? ;)

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)

Really?
 

Lobby Dosser wrote:

And wouldn't it make more sense to wait until the 'suspects' leave
the house and arrest them as they exit.

This technique was considered during the dust-up with the Branch Davidians
and rejected as "not being much fun."

Really?
 

On May 11, 10:23*am, Swingman wrote:
On 5/11/2010 9:11 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:

"Robert Sekeris" *wrote

I WILL get this right...fargin' gmailcrappola.
I figured that I would just change my user name 'Robatoy' to another e-
mail addy..but nooooooooooo
So let's see what happened here...
=================

Welcome to the newsgroup Robert.

Just who are you?

Obviously Angela's husband ... you reckon she's rolling her eyes about
now? *;)

--www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)

Naaa, Angela just laughs it off. She needs a sense of humour around
here...

Really?
 

"Lobby Dosser" wrote in
:

"DGDevin" wrote in message
m...

"Zz Yzx" wrote in message
...

Do the parents have a prior history of major drug dealing, firearms
possession, or child endangerment? Any prior arrests or
convictions, or connections with convicted criminals? Did the judge
who issued the warrant have adequate justification? Was the use of
a SWAT team justified by previous information? Was the child
endagerment charge solely related to the pot possession charge, or
were the parents also indicted for running a meth lab elsewhere?

I know some fellows who train local SWAT teams, and as a rule they
don't hold them in very high regard. Local departments get federal
money to equip these teams as part of that enormous ongoing comedy
act, The War On Drugs. But they don't get enough training and most of
the officers spend most of their time writing traffic tickets and
locking up drunks--the SAS they are not. You can see and hear it in
this video, that raid is amateur night at the local bar and grill.
You can hear one cop yelling to the others to "slow it down" because
he knows they're getting excited and messing up, they don't know if
the suspect is cuffed yet or not, they're barging around like it's
their first time. If it's true they shot at a *Corgi* in addition to
the pit bull--well that's pathetic. It also kind of sounds like the
child endangerment charge is them and the DA, embarrassed, reaching
for something--anything--to justify their Keystone Cops raid.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn the parents are far from innocent.
But the cops are supposed to be better than that, when they do a
full-on raid with body armor and heavy firepower they had better drag
out a few illegal weapons and a steamer-trunk of heinous chemicals,
not a misdemeanor amount of weed.


And wouldn't it make more sense to wait until the 'suspects' leave the
house and arrest them as they exit.


I swear as I was watching this video the lyrics to "Guns of Brixton" by
the clash came to mind...

....When they kick down your front door, how you gonna come?
with your hands on your head or the trigger of your gun...

Really?
 

On Mon, 10 May 2010 23:50:17 -0500, Morris Dovey
wrote:

I'm also thinking that the people of Columbia might benefit from
publishing the names of the SWAT team members - and from finding grounds
for retiring the chief, the detective who filed for the search warrant,
and the entire SWAT team without pay or pension.

Come to think of it, the names of the "reliable informants" should be
published as well.

Columbia, Mo is a Bible Belt community. They wish to regulate people
into behaving. Now this was a legitimate pot bust to my understanding
it was for possession. The cops went overboard, it is the police video
of the bust wonder why it got released?

Mark

Really?
 

On 5/11/2010 7:28 PM, Markem wrote:

Columbia, Mo is a Bible Belt community. They wish to regulate people
into behaving.

Perhaps. I would imagine that there have always been, and will always be
such people...

....and this little episode reminded me of Salem's early history.

Now this was a legitimate pot bust to my understanding
it was for possession. The cops went overboard, it is the police video
of the bust wonder why it got released?

The newspaper obtained it under the provisions of the Freedom of
Information Act by exerting the considerable power of the Fourth Estate
after one of its reporters independently made a similar request and was
refused.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

Really?
 

On 2010-05-11 09:22:43 -0400, Swingman said:

When I came back from the service in the early 70's and observed how
the local police were being trained in military tactics, my initial
reaction was that there was no one to practice their new military
skills on but the citizenry.

Meanwhile, back in the military, the complaint is they're being trained
to police rather than be used as an army...
http://www.metafilter.com/91820/Teac...nstead-of-Kill

In

particular, read this comment, second in a list of 111 responses:

"Seems like a symptom of the fact that our military are now being used
as police forces in various occupied territories around the world,
rather than as an army.

"You don't want police trained to go fatal at first drop. You do,
however, want that in a soldier. I would say this is a systemic
problem." -- posted by lumpenprole at 11:00 AM on May 10

Really?
 

On 2010-05-11 21:16:15 -0400, Morris Dovey said:

...and this little episode reminded me of Salem's early history.

Outside of the fervent religious zealots, there may have been a little
ergotamine and some land-grabbing. But I get your meaning.

Really?
 

"basilisk" wrote in message
...

"Lobby Dosser" wrote in message
...
"DGDevin" wrote in message
m...

"Zz Yzx" wrote in message
...

Do the parents have a prior history of major drug dealing, firearms
possession, or child endangerment? Any prior arrests or convictions,
or connections with convicted criminals? Did the judge who issued the
warrant have adequate justification? Was the use of a SWAT team
justified by previous information? Was the child endagerment charge
solely related to the pot possession charge, or were the parents also
indicted for running a meth lab elsewhere?

I know some fellows who train local SWAT teams, and as a rule they don't
hold them in very high regard. Local departments get federal money to
equip these teams as part of that enormous ongoing comedy act, The War
On Drugs. But they don't get enough training and most of the officers
spend most of their time writing traffic tickets and locking up
drunks--the SAS they are not. You can see and hear it in this video,
that raid is amateur night at the local bar and grill. You can hear one
cop yelling to the others to "slow it down" because he knows they're
getting excited and messing up, they don't know if the suspect is cuffed
yet or not, they're barging around like it's their first time. If it's
true they shot at a *Corgi* in addition to the pit bull--well that's
pathetic. It also kind of sounds like the child endangerment charge is
them and the DA, embarrassed, reaching for something--anything--to
justify their Keystone Cops raid.

Shooting a Corgi is senseless, I have 30 something(I'd have to count)
of these beast and the worst thing they would be guilty of would be
slobbering on the swat team in hope of begging treats from them.

basilisk

Well, they might nip an ankle or three ...

Really?
 

"Tim Daneliuk" wrote in message
...
On 5/11/2010 7:28 PM, Markem wrote:
On Mon, 10 May 2010 23:50:17 -0500, Morris Dovey
wrote:

I'm also thinking that the people of Columbia might benefit from
publishing the names of the SWAT team members - and from finding grounds
for retiring the chief, the detective who filed for the search warrant,
and the entire SWAT team without pay or pension.

Come to think of it, the names of the "reliable informants" should be
published as well.

Columbia, Mo is a Bible Belt community. They wish to regulate people
into behaving.

Yes, that's true ... all the more reason to hold it in contempt.
Free people do not need to be "regulated into behaving." They
need to be left alone until/unless they infringe upon the freedoms
of others, neglect their children, defraud someone, or act with
unprovoked force or threat.

Now this was a legitimate pot bust to my understanding

No, it was probably a *legal* bust, but I cannot comprehend looking at
this as "legitimate".

it was for possession. The cops went overboard, it is the police video
of the bust wonder why it got released?

Mark

Around these parts - Portland, OR - a lot of purely 'legal' police actions
have cost the city a lot of money and Still they don't get it.

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On Mon, 10 May 2010 23:50:17 -0500, Morris Dovey
wrote the following:

On 5/10/2010 3:06 PM, Robatoy wrote:

http://reason.com/blog/2010/05/05/vi...id-on-missouri

They said they killed the pups because they couldn't understand an order
to back off... Eh?

I can understand shooting an advancing pit bull, but I've never seen
an attack corgi, have you? http://fwd4.me/NpV Vicious!


I'm sure they never considered that the 7 year-old child might grow up
fearing and hating all cops.

If his parents are druggies, the kid probably already does. shrug


It might be a good idea to have the child's hearing tested. If it has
been damaged, then the individuals responsible should be held fully
accountable for that injury.

OH, puhleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease!


I'm also thinking that the people of Columbia might benefit from
publishing the names of the SWAT team members - and from finding grounds
for retiring the chief, the detective who filed for the search warrant,
and the entire SWAT team without pay or pension.

I think it might be a good idea to closely check the stories of the
team who entered and those who shot. Methinks it might have been a
newbie, all hopped up on adrenaline, who took the dogs down.


Come to think of it, the names of the "reliable informants" should be
published as well.

Indeed. I can see why they went armed into a house which was
suspected of -large- quantities of pot. Bigger dealers are usually
armed to protect their large values of the drugs. It's why I carry
when I got out taking photos of the hills, hiking back to waterfalls
and such. If I run across a pot field, I'm outta there, but I have my
six covered.

P.S: Whatever happened to the SWAT teams using beanbag guns during
residential takedowns? I thought all towns had bought into those
non-lethal alternatives.

--
You will find that the mere resolve not to be useless,
and the honest desire to help other people, will, in
the quickest and delicatest ways, improve yourself.
-- John Ruskin

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On 5/11/2010 8:37 PM, Steve wrote:

...there may have been a little ergotamine...

I had to look that up - and got quite an eye-opener. I'm not sure how I
managed to remain so completely ignorant of that aspect for twenty-five
years, but really do appreciate the nudge.

Thank you.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

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On 5/11/2010 9:24 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Mon, 10 May 2010 23:50:17 -0500, Morris
wrote the following:

It might be a good idea to have the child's hearing tested. If it has
been damaged, then the individuals responsible should be held fully
accountable for that injury.

OH, puhleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease!

And if it had been (mistakenly, of course) /your/ house in which the
seven shots were fired - and /your/ child's hearing - would /you/ just
suck it up?

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...

I think it might be a good idea to closely check the stories of the
team who entered and those who shot. Methinks it might have been a
newbie, all hopped up on adrenaline, who took the dogs down.

What a comforting thought, Norbert the Newbie with an automatic weapon,
busting down your door to save you from the bad guys. The people who train
and test SWAT teams make a point of finding those guys, one of their
favorite tricks being manipulating the SWAT team into shooting the hostages
in training scenarios (with Simunitions or paintball guns). Trigger-happy
rookies are not supposed to be on the team--this is what happens when they
try to turn county-mounties into Delta Force.

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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 10 May 2010 23:50:17 -0500, Morris Dovey
wrote the following:

On 5/10/2010 3:06 PM, Robatoy wrote:

http://reason.com/blog/2010/05/05/vi...id-on-missouri

They said they killed the pups because they couldn't understand an order
to back off... Eh?

I can understand shooting an advancing pit bull, but I've never seen
an attack corgi, have you? http://fwd4.me/NpV Vicious!


I'm sure they never considered that the 7 year-old child might grow up
fearing and hating all cops.

If his parents are druggies, the kid probably already does. shrug


It might be a good idea to have the child's hearing tested. If it has
been damaged, then the individuals responsible should be held fully
accountable for that injury.

OH, puhleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease!


I'm also thinking that the people of Columbia might benefit from
publishing the names of the SWAT team members - and from finding grounds
for retiring the chief, the detective who filed for the search warrant,
and the entire SWAT team without pay or pension.

I think it might be a good idea to closely check the stories of the
team who entered and those who shot. Methinks it might have been a
newbie, all hopped up on adrenaline, who took the dogs down.


Come to think of it, the names of the "reliable informants" should be
published as well.

Indeed. I can see why they went armed into a house which was
suspected of -large- quantities of pot. Bigger dealers are usually
armed to protect their large values of the drugs. It's why I carry
when I got out taking photos of the hills, hiking back to waterfalls
and such. If I run across a pot field, I'm outta there, but I have my
six covered.

P.S: Whatever happened to the SWAT teams using beanbag guns during
residential takedowns? I thought all towns had bought into those
non-lethal alternatives.

I thought they'd bought into finding out who and what was in a building and
their whereabouts Before charging through the door.

Reminds me of USAF Medic training at Gunter Field Alabama. We're doing a
night exercise and we all are aware of roughly what it is about - the old
'crashed aircraft' scenario. Well, half of us are sleeping in tents and the
other half standing around the mess tent drinking coffee and BSing when
somebody runs in yelling about a downed aircraft and then runs out. All you
could see was assholes and elbows and there was blood and hair on the tent
flaps ...

At the after action review we were informed that 80% of the victims would
have survived if left to their own devices. We managed to 'Kill' 93% of
them. Plus 25% of our very own selves!

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On Tue, 11 May 2010 21:56:39 -0700, "Lobby Dosser"
wrote the following:

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
.. .

P.S: Whatever happened to the SWAT teams using beanbag guns during
residential takedowns? I thought all towns had bought into those
non-lethal alternatives.

I thought they'd bought into finding out who and what was in a building and
their whereabouts Before charging through the door.

An excellent point. Maybe not all towns can afford the x-ray IR
cameras. I'm pretty sure they do _not_ give those away. What I'm sure
of is that one of them would be much cheaper than defending a bad
shooting because of a lack of intel.


Reminds me of USAF Medic training at Gunter Field Alabama. We're doing a
night exercise and we all are aware of roughly what it is about - the old
'crashed aircraft' scenario. Well, half of us are sleeping in tents and the
other half standing around the mess tent drinking coffee and BSing when
somebody runs in yelling about a downed aircraft and then runs out. All you
could see was assholes and elbows and there was blood and hair on the tent
flaps ...

Aren't mobs fun?


At the after action review we were informed that 80% of the victims would
have survived if left to their own devices. We managed to 'Kill' 93% of
them. Plus 25% of our very own selves!

"Medic, can we get another 'Oops!' bag in here? Thanks. This guy is
toast."

--
You will find that the mere resolve not to be useless,
and the honest desire to help other people, will, in
the quickest and delicatest ways, improve yourself.
-- John Ruskin

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DGDevin wrote:
"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...

I think it might be a good idea to closely check the stories of the
team who entered and those who shot. Methinks it might have been a
newbie, all hopped up on adrenaline, who took the dogs down.

What a comforting thought, Norbert the Newbie with an automatic weapon,
busting down your door to save you from the bad guys. The people who train
and test SWAT teams make a point of finding those guys, one of their
favorite tricks being manipulating the SWAT team into shooting the hostages
in training scenarios (with Simunitions or paintball guns). Trigger-happy
rookies are not supposed to be on the team--this is what happens when they
try to turn county-mounties into Delta Force.

A few months ago, and a few blocks from my front door, an FBI agent was
killed after an early morning raid on a local drug dealer. They broke
down the door,the guy escaped out the back door whilst his wife, also a
crack head, shot and killed the FBI agent, claiming she thought he was
an intruder.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...111901516.html

Personally, I have little trust in government, and less for crack heads.

I know it's easy to judge from either side when you are at home, typing
in your underwear, sipping coffee.

--
Jack
Please don't tell Obama what comes after a Trillion!
http://jbstein.com

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On May 10, 10:07*pm, "DGDevin" wrote:
"Zz Yzx" wrote in message

...

Do the parents have a prior history of major drug dealing, firearms
possession, or child endangerment? *Any prior arrests or convictions,
or connections with convicted criminals? *Did the judge who issued the
warrant have adequate justification? *Was the use of a SWAT team
justified by previous information? *Was the child endagerment charge
solely related to the pot possession charge, or were the parents also
indicted for running a meth lab elsewhere?

I know some fellows who train local SWAT teams, and as a rule they don't
hold them in very high regard. *Local departments get federal money to equip
these teams as part of that enormous ongoing comedy act, The War On Drugs..
But they don't get enough training and most of the officers spend most of
their time writing traffic tickets and locking up drunks--the SAS they are
not. *You can see and hear it in this video, that raid is amateur night at
the local bar and grill. *You can hear one cop yelling to the others to
"slow it down" because he knows they're getting excited and messing up, they
don't know if the suspect is cuffed yet or not, they're barging around like
it's their first time. *If it's true they shot at a *Corgi* in addition to
the pit bull--well that's pathetic. *It also kind of sounds like the child
endangerment charge is them and the DA, embarrassed, reaching for
something--anything--to justify their Keystone Cops raid.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn the parents are far from innocent. *But the
cops are supposed to be better than that, when they do a full-on raid with
body armor and heavy firepower they had better drag out a few illegal
weapons and a steamer-trunk of heinous chemicals, not a misdemeanor amount
of weed.

We all know the SWAT team doesn't come kicking in your door for a
little weed. That makes them look like the dumb-asses these cops were.
These people obviously came on the radar for something more than that,
even in little Columbia, Missouri. How they handled the bust was a
Keyston Cop farce near as I can see. Most of the cops around here
would be embarassed as hell to be associated with that and the
douchebags that pulled it off would be called to the carpet.
~And~ they shot the dogs? You gotta be farkin' kiddin' me.

My 10 cents.

RP

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In article , lid
says...

And wouldn't it make more sense to wait until the 'suspects' leave the house
and arrest them as they exit.

Like we heard they could have done in WACO?

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"phorbin" wrote in message
...
In article , lid
says...

And wouldn't it make more sense to wait until the 'suspects' leave the
house
and arrest them as they exit.

Like we heard they could have done in WACO?


Precisely. Koresh jogged several times a week.