On Nov 3, 12:46*pm, Sean Ryan wrote:
I'm a student at Keene State College in Keene, NH. *I am working on a
safety program for the campus wood shop for my senior capstone class
which is needed for my bachelor's in Safety Studies.

Right now I am focusing on the spray booth and in need of some
professional help or suggestions. *The booth has many problems
including no air filter and lack of fire protection. *I have NFPA
documents as well as OSHA but I am looking for BEST PRACTICES, not
just what OSHA wants, since schools are not covered by them anyway. *I
need to dazzle my professor as well as the Dean on a safe booth.

If anyone has any examples, material or links that are solid enough to
propose to my school it would be greatly appreciated. Also if you need
a more detailed description of the booth to make a fair assessment I
will do so.

Thank you!

Hey, what's up with you guys? I told my son the wreck was the place
to go for some solid info and you're all asleep...

Let's help get this kid graduated so I don't have to feed him for the
next 5 years;+}

-Jim

"jtpr" wrote in message
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On Nov 3, 12:46 pm, Sean Ryan wrote:
I'm a student at Keene State College in Keene, NH. I am working on a
safety program for the campus wood shop for my senior capstone class
which is needed for my bachelor's in Safety Studies.

Right now I am focusing on the spray booth and in need of some
professional help or suggestions. The booth has many problems
including no air filter and lack of fire protection. I have NFPA
documents as well as OSHA but I am looking for BEST PRACTICES, not
just what OSHA wants, since schools are not covered by them anyway. I
need to dazzle my professor as well as the Dean on a safe booth.

If anyone has any examples, material or links that are solid enough to
propose to my school it would be greatly appreciated. Also if you need
a more detailed description of the booth to make a fair assessment I
will do so.

Thank you!

- Hey, what's up with you guys? I told my son the wreck was the place
- to go for some solid info and you're all asleep...
-

Actually, the wreck is not such a hot place for ideas like this. Your son
asked for Best Practices, and what one tends to find here are more opinions
on what folks do in the name of their own notion of going an extra mile.
Most times, in matters like this, they are not all that well founded ideas
and don't offer a lot of real benefit. Not that they are bad ideas or
practices, but they just aren't as beneficial as the holders of those ideas
believe. If one wants Best Practices, then one goes to the leaders in the
area in question. One examines what those "leaders" do, and compiles a list
of Best Practices based on real value. Not so likely that he would find
that kind of expertise here. Even those of us who paint a lot probably
would not consider ourselves much in the area of contributing to a Best
Practices definition.

- Let's help get this kid graduated so I don't have to feed him for the
- next 5 years;+}

Only 5 years? How are you so lucky as to escape with such a short sentence?

--

-Mike-

jtpr wrote:
....

... I am looking for BEST PRACTICES, not
just what OSHA wants, since schools are not covered by them anyway. I
need to dazzle my professor as well as the Dean on a safe booth.
....

I tend to agree w/ the answer posted by Mike altho I'm sure some of
those here have a fair amount of experience at least...

I'd only comment on the above "need to dazzle" as being a typical
thought/intent of the student of how to impress. What I'd suggest
instead of what that implies to me of "gee-whiz every new bell and
whistle the manufacturers have in their catalogs" is _IF_ (yet again w/
the proverbial "big if" ) the point is to really provide something
useful for the department as a result of the project to concentrate on
meeting two objectives --

1) the regulatory and safety issues wherein OSHA/EPA/NFPA/etc. come into
play, and

2) effectiveness and efficiency of the booth area for the usage it gets
and purposes it serves.

In accomplishing these objectives, I would give highest marks on
innovative and cost-effective techniques for achieving the goals rather
than more emphasis on necessarily "dazzling" products possible to
acquire if on unlimited budget.

As was discussed in another thread within the last day or so, I'm
closely associated w/ a community college/tech school Foundation whose
mission is to provide such support and enable enhancements for the
institution and students. Endowment and other resources are always
limited and are even more so at the moment for us and all such
organizations given the happenings in the financial markets and the
current economic situation. Hence, figuring out how to get "most bang
for the buck" into the project will, imo, both impress those looking at
the work as well as have the most likelihood of producing something that
might actually be of some use to the institution itself. (Assuming, of
course, that is an objective).

$0.02, imo, ymmv, etc., etc., etc., of course...

--

"jtpr" wrote in message
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On Nov 3, 12:46 pm, Sean Ryan wrote:
I'm a student at Keene State College in Keene, NH. I am working on a
safety program for the campus wood shop for my senior capstone class
which is needed for my bachelor's in Safety Studies.

Right now I am focusing on the spray booth and in need of some
professional help or suggestions. The booth has many problems
including no air filter and lack of fire protection. I have NFPA
documents as well as OSHA but I am looking for BEST PRACTICES, not
just what OSHA wants, since schools are not covered by them anyway. I
need to dazzle my professor as well as the Dean on a safe booth.

If anyone has any examples, material or links that are solid enough to
propose to my school it would be greatly appreciated. Also if you need
a more detailed description of the booth to make a fair assessment I
will do so.

Thank you!

Hey, what's up with you guys? I told my son the wreck was the place
to go for some solid info and you're all asleep...

Let's help get this kid graduated so I don't have to feed him for the
next 5 years;+}

PERHAPS if you directed him to a bit more appropriate group, Professional
spray booth maybe, especially if you want something with better guide line
spec's than OSHA.

"jtpr" wrote in message
...
On Nov 3, 12:46 pm, Sean Ryan wrote:
I'm a student at Keene State College in Keene, NH. I am working on a
safety program for the campus wood shop for my senior capstone class
which is needed for my bachelor's in Safety Studies.

Right now I am focusing on the spray booth and in need of some
professional help or suggestions. The booth has many problems
including no air filter and lack of fire protection. I have NFPA
documents as well as OSHA but I am looking for BEST PRACTICES, not
just what OSHA wants, since schools are not covered by them anyway. I
need to dazzle my professor as well as the Dean on a safe booth.

If anyone has any examples, material or links that are solid enough to
propose to my school it would be greatly appreciated. Also if you need
a more detailed description of the booth to make a fair assessment I
will do so.

Thank you!

Hey, what's up with you guys? I told my son the wreck was the place
to go for some solid info and you're all asleep...

Let's help get this kid graduated so I don't have to feed him for the
next 5 years;+}

-Jim

It might be appropriate for his "mentor" to point him toward suppliers of
the equipment in which he is interested.
Some "Googling" for spray booths and ancillary equipment should be
productive.

Max

On Nov 4, 7:34*am, jtpr wrote:
On Nov 3, 12:46*pm, Sean Ryan wrote:

I'm a student at Keene State College in Keene, NH. *

Hey, what's up with you guys? *I told my son the wreck was the place
to go for some solid info and you're all asleep...

I know, it is totally bizarre that all of the creaky characters on the
wreck sleep at night.

BTW, I'm pretty sure it is spelled keen, that New Hampshire is a
protectorate and not a state (unless it is a state of mind (Don't
Tread On Me!), that you don't have a son, the kid doesn't have a dad,
and that you're lying about getting solid info on the wreck.

R

jtpr wrote:

Hey, what's up with you guys? I told my son the wreck was the place
to go for some solid info and you're all asleep...

Would love to help if I could. while I'm a somewhat competent woodworker
and cabinetmaker, that doesn't qualify me with much expertise in spray
booth's to advise ... except to lust after enough space to have one.

Let's help get this kid graduated so I don't have to feed him for the
next 5 years;+}

Feel your pain in that regard. Mine youngest is contemplating moving
back home due to the almost impossible task of finding a "job", as
opposed to "work" ... a distinction the current administration has
apparently not snapped to yet when reporting rosily on job creation.

Prepare yourself for the same ...

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www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

On Nov 4, 9:28*am, dpb wrote:
jtpr wrote:

...

... I am looking for BEST PRACTICES, not
just what OSHA wants, since schools are not covered by them anyway. *I
need to dazzle my professor as well as the Dean on a safe booth.

...

I tend to agree w/ the answer posted by Mike altho I'm sure some of
those here have a fair amount of experience at least...

I'd only comment on the above "need to dazzle" as being a typical
thought/intent of the student of how to impress. *What I'd suggest
instead of what that implies to me of "gee-whiz every new bell and
whistle the manufacturers have in their catalogs" is _IF_ (yet again w/
the proverbial "big if" ) the point is to really provide something
useful for the department as a result of the project to concentrate on
meeting two objectives --

1) the regulatory and safety issues wherein OSHA/EPA/NFPA/etc. come into
play, and

2) effectiveness and efficiency of the booth area for the usage it gets
and purposes it serves.

In accomplishing these objectives, I would give highest marks on
innovative and cost-effective techniques for achieving the goals rather
than more emphasis on necessarily "dazzling" products possible to
acquire if on unlimited budget.

As was discussed in another thread within the last day or so, I'm
closely associated w/ a community college/tech school Foundation whose
mission is to provide such support and enable enhancements for the
institution and students. *Endowment and other resources are always
limited and are even more so at the moment for us and all such
organizations given the happenings in the financial markets and the
current economic situation. *Hence, figuring out how to get "most bang
for the buck" into the project will, imo, both impress those looking at
the work as well as have the most likelihood of producing something that
might actually be of some use to the institution itself. *(Assuming, of
course, that is an objective).

$0.02, imo, ymmv, etc., etc., etc., of course...

--

I understand, every idea we come across we do a cost benefit analysis
to make sure it is presentable to the school.
The building the wood shop and spray booth are in is going to be
renovated and the budget is fairly substantial thanks to the ever
rising amount of tuition...

I am still grateful for your help though.

Sean Ryan wrote:
....
The building the wood shop and spray booth are in is going to be
renovated and the budget is fairly substantial thanks to the ever
rising amount of tuition...
....

Hmmm...few institutions I'm aware of actually cover all costs via
tuition...

But, given that as the background, I'd reiterate the suggestion to look
at other recognized institutions w/ similar programs to those offered or
intended to be offered for ideas. Again, no indication of what the
emphasis is so don't know if this would be something like NC State's
industrial program or the North Bennett Street School.

--

On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 04:34:55 -0800 (PST), jtpr wrote:

On Nov 3, 12:46*pm, Sean Ryan wrote:
I'm a student at Keene State College in Keene, NH. *I am working on a
safety program for the campus wood shop for my senior capstone class
which is needed for my bachelor's in Safety Studies.

Right now I am focusing on the spray booth and in need of some
professional help or suggestions. *The booth has many problems
including no air filter and lack of fire protection. *I have NFPA
documents as well as OSHA but I am looking for BEST PRACTICES, not
just what OSHA wants, since schools are not covered by them anyway. *I
need to dazzle my professor as well as the Dean on a safe booth.

If anyone has any examples, material or links that are solid enough to
propose to my school it would be greatly appreciated. Also if you need
a more detailed description of the booth to make a fair assessment I
will do so.

Thank you!

Hey, what's up with you guys? I told my son the wreck was the place
to go for some solid info and you're all asleep...

Let's help get this kid graduated so I don't have to feed him for the
next 5 years;+}

-Jim

Helping design, install and commission an automotive paint line was actually one of my first
assignments as a newly minted engineer. The plant was located about half a mile directly upwind of
the newly created state EPA office. Meeting emissions requirements was a big deal, don't you see.

2 primer booths, 2 accent color booths, 3 main color booths. Electrostatic primer system, some
robots, mostly highly experienced people doing the painting. Today it would probably be all robotic
except for perhaps the final color booth. The person in that last booth was the one that ensured
those fascias would come out of the bake oven the proper color so that it matched the (metal paint
is different than polymer paint) body color when it was bolted on the car 350 miles or more away. I
think that plant was where the phrase "**** happens" originated.

Your best bet for current info is to directly contact the vendors. Binks, Devilbiss, and many
others. I'm not sure who the major players are any more. I left the automotive arena for the
petrochemical world 30+ years ago. Contact the maker of your spray booth and see what they
recommend. Call Ford or GM and ask them about their paint lines. Probably a lot of powder coating
nowadays. Go the library. Lots of books there that will help you decide what to do.

I'm afraid it is a truism that nobody is going to give you the answer. You'll learn a lot more
figuring all this out yourself. Then 30-40 years from now when somebody asks a question like this,
you'll understand why I am answering it this way, and you will probably do the same.

Best of luck, and Regards,
Roy