I've been thinking... a band clamp is essentially a ratcheting truck tie
down with blocks to hold the corners, right? So is there anything special
to the band clamp that would preclude the use of a tie down as a band
clamp? (Besides the blocks, but they're easily made.)

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Puckdropper wrote:
I've been thinking... a band clamp is essentially a ratcheting truck tie
down with blocks to hold the corners, right? So is there anything special
to the band clamp that would preclude the use of a tie down as a band
clamp? (Besides the blocks, but they're easily made.)

Nothing other than size/bulkiness. Some are pretty unhandy, some
reasonably decently designed for the use.

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"dpb" wrote in message ...
Puckdropper wrote:
I've been thinking... a band clamp is essentially a ratcheting truck tie
down with blocks to hold the corners, right? So is there anything special
to the band clamp that would preclude the use of a tie down as a band
clamp? (Besides the blocks, but they're easily made.)

Nothing other than size/bulkiness. Some are pretty unhandy, some
reasonably decently designed for the use.

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Beyond this, will only add one more caution:

Truck tie downs can generate a lot of pressure (the good ones).
A lot more than a wooddorkers band clamp.
Be gentle and only use a modicum of pressure.

P D Q

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...
I've been thinking... a band clamp is essentially a ratcheting truck tie
down with blocks to hold the corners, right? So is there anything special
to the band clamp that would preclude the use of a tie down as a band
clamp? (Besides the blocks, but they're easily made.)

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Yes you can use them and they will provide the same pressure provided you do
not get the pull to tighten style. You want the ratchet style.

I have used the truck tie downs for band clamps many times. I use
them with cauls when gluing/repairing odd shaped pieces. Not my
idea... I read about it somewhere a while back.

Then I got the idea of using the ratchet style tie downs to glue
bigger things. Doors, gluing long trims to surfaces, indoor/outdoor
furniture repairs, etc. Anything I couldn't quite get easily with my
current clamps. For me, the ratcheting tie downs turned out to be
much more handy as clamps than they did tie downs.

See if you can find the small ones that don't have the hooks on them.
I had some with 1" wide light weight straps (500# work load / 750#
break) and they were flexible enough to work great.

One of the first things I glued back together with was an oversized
door.
I didn't have by big clamps with me and this was a custom made entry
door that was 40 inches wide or some such. As the main entry it was
beat to hell and the bottom rail/kick panel was loose and coming off.

With the door laying flat on the horses, I glued up the joint, and put
a straight piece of 2x4 that spanned stile to stile on edge on both
sides (loose, I had a helper). The 2x4 on each side was there to make
sure I didn't bow or cup the door, or make a crooked joint. That's
why it was on both sides spanning the stiles.

I put the nylon ribbon of the clamp on the edge of the 2x4 on both
sides. Clamped it up with the ratchet, then ran a couple of 3 1/2"
deck screws from the bottom of the kick panel into the stiles and left
it overnight.

It didn't flex or move a bit. The 2X4 spines did the trick.

The best thing about these little ratchet clamps as opposed to
something they sell to wood workers is the price. I paid something
like $4 a piece in a four pack at a hardware store. If the same
clamp, a "multipurpose flexible band style clamp for fine woodworking"
is sold to the woodworking community, they would surely be $20 a
piece.

Robert

Upscale wrote:
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See if you can find the small ones that don't have the hooks on them.
I had some with 1" wide light weight straps (500# work load / 750#
break) and they were flexible enough to work great.

http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...60&cat=1,43838


Check out the gap in the joint in pic above.

I love how pictures in ads for tools always show poor results or
technique and/or egregious safety no-no's.

May favorite was a guy using a table saw with thick cotton gloves and a
long flannel shirt sleeves down to his wrists.


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wrote in message
See if you can find the small ones that don't have the hooks on them.
I had some with 1" wide light weight straps (500# work load / 750#
break) and they were flexible enough to work great.

http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...60&cat=1,43838

"-MIKE-" wrote in message
...
Upscale wrote:
wrote in message
See if you can find the small ones that don't have the hooks on them.
I had some with 1" wide light weight straps (500# work load / 750#
break) and they were flexible enough to work great.

http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...60&cat=1,43838


Check out the gap in the joint in pic above.

I love how pictures in ads for tools always show poor results or
technique and/or egregious safety no-no's.

May favorite was a guy using a table saw with thick cotton gloves and a
long flannel shirt sleeves down to his wrists.


While I don't advocate wearing either while operating any power tool. The
lathe, drill press and such tools are far more dangerous to wear loose
clothing and or gloves around than a TS. The TS blade will actually cut
though the cotton with no exciting results. This conversation went around
about 8 years ago and I conducted an experiment with a cotton and leather
glove. I pushed the glove into a spinning TS blade with a stick. The blade
left a 1/8" wide kerf in a finger. The finger did not bounce, flutter, or
get dragged into the blade. The glove stopped proceeding and sat with the
blade spinning through the finger when I stopped pushing.

Again I don't recommend the use of gloves with a TS, there are several other
things that could happen.

Leon wrote:
While I don't advocate wearing either while operating any power tool. The
lathe, drill press and such tools are far more dangerous to wear loose
clothing and or gloves around than a TS. The TS blade will actually cut
though the cotton with no exciting results. This conversation went around
about 8 years ago and I conducted an experiment with a cotton and leather
glove. I pushed the glove into a spinning TS blade with a stick. The blade
left a 1/8" wide kerf in a finger. The finger did not bounce, flutter, or
get dragged into the blade. The glove stopped proceeding and sat with the
blade spinning through the finger when I stopped pushing.

Again I don't recommend the use of gloves with a TS, there are several other
things that could happen.


There was a dude who was pushing the stock behind the blade, his sleeve
got between the wood and the anti-kickback claw, lifting the claw off
the wood, while at the same time the sleeve got caught in the wood.

Take a guess what happened next. :-)


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"-MIKE-" wrote in message
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Leon wrote:
While I don't advocate wearing either while operating any power tool.
The lathe, drill press and such tools are far more dangerous to wear
loose clothing and or gloves around than a TS. The TS blade will
actually cut though the cotton with no exciting results. This
conversation went around about 8 years ago and I conducted an experiment
with a cotton and leather glove. I pushed the glove into a spinning TS
blade with a stick. The blade left a 1/8" wide kerf in a finger. The
finger did not bounce, flutter, or get dragged into the blade. The glove
stopped proceeding and sat with the blade spinning through the finger
when I stopped pushing.

Again I don't recommend the use of gloves with a TS, there are several
other things that could happen.

There was a dude who was pushing the stock behind the blade, his sleeve
got between the wood and the anti-kickback claw, lifting the claw off
the wood, while at the same time the sleeve got caught in the wood.

Take a guess what happened next. :-)


He can no longer count to ten?

Just my guess, Rich

"-MIKE-" wrote in message
...
Leon wrote:
While I don't advocate wearing either while operating any power tool.
The lathe, drill press and such tools are far more dangerous to wear
loose clothing and or gloves around than a TS. The TS blade will
actually cut though the cotton with no exciting results. This
conversation went around about 8 years ago and I conducted an experiment
with a cotton and leather glove. I pushed the glove into a spinning TS
blade with a stick. The blade left a 1/8" wide kerf in a finger. The
finger did not bounce, flutter, or get dragged into the blade. The glove
stopped proceeding and sat with the blade spinning through the finger
when I stopped pushing.

Again I don't recommend the use of gloves with a TS, there are several
other things that could happen.

There was a dude who was pushing the stock behind the blade, his sleeve
got between the wood and the anti-kickback claw, lifting the claw off
the wood, while at the same time the sleeve got caught in the wood.

Take a guess what happened next. :-)




YEAH! That is one of those "several other things" that could happen.

"-MIKE-" wrote

There was a dude who was pushing the stock behind the blade, his sleeve
got between the wood and the anti-kickback claw, lifting the claw off
the wood, while at the same time the sleeve got caught in the wood.

Take a guess what happened next. :-)
--
Is this the guy who got abducted by aliens?

Or attacked by a band of rabid drummers?

Or the table saw chewed his entire arm off with its safety equiment?

Or....... ?

On Mar 31, 3:19*pm, Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:
I've been thinking... a band clamp is essentially a ratcheting truck tie
down with blocks to hold the corners, right? *So is there anything special
to the band clamp that would preclude the use of a tie down as a band
clamp? *

Yes, it is a tie down not a clamp.

Next thing you'll be saying is:
You don't need to use gold-plated Monster cables for your AV
equipment.
or
You can use SS screws from a hardware store on your boat instead of
the ones sold at the marine supply house.
or
....

Then cats will start sleeping with dogs...

On Mar 31, 4:41*pm, "Lee Michaels"
wrote:
"-MIKE-" *wrote

There was a dude who was pushing the stock behind the blade, his sleeve
got between the wood and the anti-kickback claw, lifting the claw off
the wood, while at the same time the sleeve got caught in the wood.

Take a guess what happened next. * :-)
--

Is this the guy who got abducted by aliens?

Or attacked by a band of rabid drummers?

Or the table saw chewed his entire arm off with its safety equiment?

Or....... *?

Gettin' a chuckle out of that one....

I usually try to work zombies in somewhere myself ;^)

Robert

Lee Michaels wrote:
"-MIKE-" wrote
There was a dude who was pushing the stock behind the blade, his sleeve
got between the wood and the anti-kickback claw, lifting the claw off
the wood, while at the same time the sleeve got caught in the wood.

Take a guess what happened next. :-)
--
Is this the guy who got abducted by aliens?

Or attacked by a band of rabid drummers?

Or the table saw chewed his entire arm off with its safety equiment?

Or....... ?


LMAO!


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"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
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--
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Leon wrote:


YEAH! That is one of those "several other things" that could happen.



Dude, you went through this whole schpeal about how it's not dangerous,
then you say it's dangerous. :-p


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On Mar 31, 3:19*pm, "Upscale" wrote:

http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...60&cat=1,43838

Wow.. good eye!

Those are the EXACT clamps.... uh... er.... tie downs that I have,
even down to the cadmium plating.

Add shipping into the price and I wasn't off too much on the price,
either!

Robert

"-MIKE-" wrote in message
...
Leon wrote:


YEAH! That is one of those "several other things" that could happen.

Dude, you went through this whole schpeal about how it's not dangerous,
then you say it's dangerous. :-p



Reread all of what I originally posted concerning the glove and saw
experiment. I just repeated what I said.

" wrote in news:4271afab-
:

I have used the truck tie downs for band clamps many times. I use
them with cauls when gluing/repairing odd shaped pieces. Not my
idea... I read about it somewhere a while back.

Then I got the idea of using the ratchet style tie downs to glue
bigger things. Doors, gluing long trims to surfaces, indoor/outdoor
furniture repairs, etc. Anything I couldn't quite get easily with my
current clamps. For me, the ratcheting tie downs turned out to be
much more handy as clamps than they did tie downs.

See if you can find the small ones that don't have the hooks on them.
I had some with 1" wide light weight straps (500# work load / 750#
break) and they were flexible enough to work great.

One of the first things I glued back together with was an oversized
door.
I didn't have by big clamps with me and this was a custom made entry
door that was 40 inches wide or some such. As the main entry it was
beat to hell and the bottom rail/kick panel was loose and coming off.

With the door laying flat on the horses, I glued up the joint, and put
a straight piece of 2x4 that spanned stile to stile on edge on both
sides (loose, I had a helper). The 2x4 on each side was there to make
sure I didn't bow or cup the door, or make a crooked joint. That's
why it was on both sides spanning the stiles.

I put the nylon ribbon of the clamp on the edge of the 2x4 on both
sides. Clamped it up with the ratchet, then ran a couple of 3 1/2"
deck screws from the bottom of the kick panel into the stiles and left
it overnight.

It didn't flex or move a bit. The 2X4 spines did the trick.

The best thing about these little ratchet clamps as opposed to
something they sell to wood workers is the price. I paid something
like $4 a piece in a four pack at a hardware store. If the same
clamp, a "multipurpose flexible band style clamp for fine woodworking"
is sold to the woodworking community, they would surely be $20 a
piece.

Robert

Thanks Robert. The hooks would seem to be a bit of an issue, but a few
well placed cauls would take care of that.

Puckdropper
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Limp Arbor wrote in news:6452602d-575d-4f4c-b796-
:

*snip*


Then cats will start sleeping with dogs...

And we'll see the 300' tall StayPuft Marshmallow Man! (That /was/ a
Ghostbusters reference, wasn't it?)

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"Puckdropper" puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote in message
...
I've been thinking... a band clamp is essentially a ratcheting truck tie
down with blocks to hold the corners, right? So is there anything special
to the band clamp that would preclude the use of a tie down as a band
clamp? (Besides the blocks, but they're easily made.)




You certainly can. In fact, this one time, at band clamp.....

Puckdropper wrote:
I've been thinking... a band clamp is essentially a ratcheting truck tie
down with blocks to hold the corners, right? So is there anything special
to the band clamp that would preclude the use of a tie down as a band
clamp? (Besides the blocks, but they're easily made.)

My shop band clamps ARE ratchet straps...

I hook the ends together in a spot that doesn't interfere with the work,
pull it tight, and ratchet in the pressure.