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My church [tiny, with even tinier budget] is getting ready to wall off
an area for a nursery. If we put in a door (of course we'll have a door), the state says the door has to have a glass panel so people can see in. One of the ladies suggested using Dutch doors so the top half could be left completely open. Nobody knows where to order a set of dutch doors, much less with a window in the top half, and I suspect they are quite expensive. How hard would it be to cut a hollow-core door in two just above the knob and repair the cut edges by gluing in wooden blocks? And what about cutting a 20" square hole in the top half and framing in a Plexiglass panel? Would the hinges already be in the right place if I start with a pre-hung door? (I know I'd need to add a second pair of hinges.) The door probably needs to be hung on all 4 hinges *before* cutting it in half... Thanks, Bob |
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On 2/1/2009 12:49 PM zxcvbob spake thus:
How hard would it be to cut a hollow-core door in two just above the knob and repair the cut edges by gluing in wooden blocks? And what about cutting a 20" square hole in the top half and framing in a Plexiglass panel? Would the hinges already be in the right place if I start with a pre-hung door? (I know I'd need to add a second pair of hinges.) The door probably needs to be hung on all 4 hinges *before* cutting it in half... I was going to do just this (install a Dutch door) for someone recently. Don't use a hollow-core door: use a solid door. No patching or filling necessary. Leave at least 1/8" clearance between doors. Yes, hang it by all 4 hinges first, then cut (duh!). You may want to consider adding a shelf to the bottom half; usual way is to reduce the height of the bottom door by the thickness of the shelf. Add supports on both sides as needed. -- Made From Pears: Pretty good chance that the product is at least mostly pears. Made With Pears: Pretty good chance that pears will be detectable in the product. Contains Pears: One pear seed per multiple tons of product. (with apologies to Dorothy L. Sayers) |
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David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 2/1/2009 12:49 PM zxcvbob spake thus: How hard would it be to cut a hollow-core door in two just above the knob and repair the cut edges by gluing in wooden blocks? And what about cutting a 20" square hole in the top half and framing in a Plexiglass panel? Would the hinges already be in the right place if I start with a pre-hung door? (I know I'd need to add a second pair of hinges.) The door probably needs to be hung on all 4 hinges *before* cutting it in half... I was going to do just this (install a Dutch door) for someone recently. Don't use a hollow-core door: use a solid door. No patching or filling necessary. Leave at least 1/8" clearance between doors. Yes, hang it by all 4 hinges first, then cut (duh!). You may want to consider adding a shelf to the bottom half; usual way is to reduce the height of the bottom door by the thickness of the shelf. Add supports on both sides as needed. What he said. I've done this, too. Solid door, cut, with another hinge for the orphaned side, and you're good to go. Make the shelf big with overhang on each side and support underneath, if you like. That way, if can be used for a sign in/out sheets and whatever else your church uses or needs for checking in/out the kids. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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"zxcvbob" wrote in message hinges.) The door probably needs to be hung on all 4 hinges *before* cutting it in half... Do the state rules say how or what height the window must be? With a bottom door in place to start, adults can see in as needed so a window shouldn't be needed there. You can go with a full door and cut it in half if you think it might be easier, but essentially you're fitting two doors into an existing space. I'd install the bottom door first just to get an effective working partition in there as soon as possible and then fit the upper door with window as needed. |
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Upscale wrote:
"zxcvbob" wrote in message hinges.) The door probably needs to be hung on all 4 hinges *before* cutting it in half... Do the state rules say how or what height the window must be? With a bottom door in place to start, adults can see in as needed so a window shouldn't be needed there. You can go with a full door and cut it in half if you think it might be easier, but essentially you're fitting two doors into an existing space. I'd install the bottom door first just to get an effective working partition in there as soon as possible and then fit the upper door with window as needed. I wish they would allow one way mirror glass in nurseries. It's very frustrating to have just gotten the kids settled down from the trauma and drama of "losing" their parents, only to have over-protective mommy come back in 15 minutes "just to check on junior." Then junior starts the spaz-fest all over again and we're in for another half hour of wheezing, screaming, and panting. Mom, Dad... drop the poop monsters off and don't come back until you're taking them for good. rant over. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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zxcvbob wrote:
-snip- How hard would it be to cut a hollow-core door in two just above the knob and repair the cut edges by gluing in wooden blocks? I wouldn't even attempt it with a hollow core. Have you priced a pre-hung Dutch door? I'd trust it a lot further than something thrown together. [especially in what would be essentially a commercial usage] Jim |
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-MIKE- wrote:
Upscale wrote: "zxcvbob" wrote in message hinges.) The door probably needs to be hung on all 4 hinges *before* cutting it in half... Do the state rules say how or what height the window must be? With a bottom door in place to start, adults can see in as needed so a window shouldn't be needed there. You can go with a full door and cut it in half if you think it might be easier, but essentially you're fitting two doors into an existing space. I'd install the bottom door first just to get an effective working partition in there as soon as possible and then fit the upper door with window as needed. I wish they would allow one way mirror glass in nurseries. It's very frustrating to have just gotten the kids settled down from the trauma and drama of "losing" their parents, only to have over-protective mommy come back in 15 minutes "just to check on junior." Then junior starts the spaz-fest all over again and we're in for another half hour of wheezing, screaming, and panting. Mom, Dad... drop the poop monsters off and don't come back until you're taking them for good. rant over. How about one of those peep-hole lenses that people install on their front doors? That way, overly protective Mom or Dad could peek in on the room without opening the door. (make sure the door swings inward so nobody gets a black eye). -- If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough |
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Mark & Juanita wrote:
-MIKE- wrote: Upscale wrote: "zxcvbob" wrote in message hinges.) The door probably needs to be hung on all 4 hinges *before* cutting it in half... Do the state rules say how or what height the window must be? With a bottom door in place to start, adults can see in as needed so a window shouldn't be needed there. You can go with a full door and cut it in half if you think it might be easier, but essentially you're fitting two doors into an existing space. I'd install the bottom door first just to get an effective working partition in there as soon as possible and then fit the upper door with window as needed. I wish they would allow one way mirror glass in nurseries. It's very frustrating to have just gotten the kids settled down from the trauma and drama of "losing" their parents, only to have over-protective mommy come back in 15 minutes "just to check on junior." Then junior starts the spaz-fest all over again and we're in for another half hour of wheezing, screaming, and panting. Mom, Dad... drop the poop monsters off and don't come back until you're taking them for good. rant over. How about one of those peep-hole lenses that people install on their front doors? That way, overly protective Mom or Dad could peek in on the room without opening the door. (make sure the door swings inward so nobody gets a black eye). Would inward-swing pass fire code? Another thought is that a small child could be behind the door, out of sight, when someone enters from outside; bang! Another thought would be plexi, rather than glass, and the shelf on the inside. Shelf on the inside would keep little fingers from reaching up at the wrong moment. Have to plan for all possible events with small ones ) |
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Jim Elbrecht wrote:
zxcvbob wrote: -snip- How hard would it be to cut a hollow-core door in two just above the knob and repair the cut edges by gluing in wooden blocks? I wouldn't even attempt it with a hollow core. Have you priced a pre-hung Dutch door? I'd trust it a lot further than something thrown together. [especially in what would be essentially a commercial usage] Jim I just noticed that this was cross posted to alt.home.repair, so it might be a bit daunting to weekend warrior. But for most woodworking guys, even a moderately skilled hobbyist, this isn't a big deal at all. I'd say the test might be, if you already have the tools to do it, can envision the processes and procedures needed to do it, you're probably qualified to do it. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 15:21:23 -0600, -MIKE-
wrote: Make the shelf big with overhang on each side and support underneath, if you like. That way, if can be used for a sign in/out sheets and whatever else your church uses or needs for checking in/out the kids. Reminds me of a Cashier's window or an old military type pharmacy window. This Cashier was cautious and really didn't want anyone behind the door, all business was over the solid door/shelf...but I'm here to do an audit. "Can't come in" A few weeks later I had the door removed from the Cashier's office and the door stood in the hall next morning. All because of a fire alarm sensor :-/ |
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Jim Elbrecht wrote:
zxcvbob wrote: -snip- How hard would it be to cut a hollow-core door in two just above the knob and repair the cut edges by gluing in wooden blocks? I wouldn't even attempt it with a hollow core. Have you priced a pre-hung Dutch door? I'd trust it a lot further than something thrown together. [especially in what would be essentially a commercial usage] Jim Nobody else said it, so I will- talk to your local code people and/or your insurance carrier. The rulebook for schools and daycare would probably apply. I don't think a residential door would pass muster, or last long. I think you are looking at metal frame and fire-rated door, and wired glass for the window. Leastways, that is what I have always seen used in that application. And unless the room has another exit, not sure a dutch door would be allowed- too confusing in the dark and smoke. If your church is broke, check out Habitat ReStore, even if you have to drive a couple towns over. The ones I have been in usually have a decent selection of ripout commercial doors, and since Habitat is church-based, they would likely cut you a break on the price. -- aem sends... |
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aemeijers wrote:
Jim Elbrecht wrote: zxcvbob wrote: -snip- How hard would it be to cut a hollow-core door in two just above the knob and repair the cut edges by gluing in wooden blocks? I wouldn't even attempt it with a hollow core. Have you priced a pre-hung Dutch door? I'd trust it a lot further than something thrown together. [especially in what would be essentially a commercial usage] Jim Nobody else said it, so I will- talk to your local code people and/or your insurance carrier. The rulebook for schools and daycare would probably apply. I don't think a residential door would pass muster, or last long. I think you are looking at metal frame and fire-rated door, and wired glass for the window. Leastways, that is what I have always seen used in that application. And unless the room has another exit, not sure a dutch door would be allowed- too confusing in the dark and smoke. If your church is broke, check out Habitat ReStore, even if you have to drive a couple towns over. The ones I have been in usually have a decent selection of ripout commercial doors, and since Habitat is church-based, they would likely cut you a break on the price. -- aem sends... I appreciate that. I'll check with the insurance company. This is a little country church out in the middle of nowhere and I really doubt the county/inspector cares. Still, we want to do things right. A fire door doesn't make any sense because the wall is not going to be a firewall. Originally it was just going to be a temporary partition, but a wall is cheaper for this one. Other rooms are being walled off with partitions... Bob |
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zxcvbob wrote:
aemeijers wrote: Jim Elbrecht wrote: zxcvbob wrote: -snip- How hard would it be to cut a hollow-core door in two just above the knob and repair the cut edges by gluing in wooden blocks? I wouldn't even attempt it with a hollow core. Have you priced a pre-hung Dutch door? I'd trust it a lot further than something thrown together. [especially in what would be essentially a commercial usage] Jim Nobody else said it, so I will- talk to your local code people and/or your insurance carrier. The rulebook for schools and daycare would probably apply. I don't think a residential door would pass muster, or last long. I think you are looking at metal frame and fire-rated door, and wired glass for the window. Leastways, that is what I have always seen used in that application. And unless the room has another exit, not sure a dutch door would be allowed- too confusing in the dark and smoke. If your church is broke, check out Habitat ReStore, even if you have to drive a couple towns over. The ones I have been in usually have a decent selection of ripout commercial doors, and since Habitat is church-based, they would likely cut you a break on the price. -- aem sends... I appreciate that. I'll check with the insurance company. This is a little country church out in the middle of nowhere and I really doubt the county/inspector cares. Still, we want to do things right. A fire door doesn't make any sense because the wall is not going to be a firewall. Originally it was just going to be a temporary partition, but a wall is cheaper for this one. Other rooms are being walled off with partitions... Bob If it's out in the middle of nowhere, all the more reason to pay attention to fire codes, adequate exits, co and smoke detectors, etc. The door should not, it seems, open inward for two reasons: hitting a child who is sitting or standing behind the door, and for exit in case of fire. Is it in a basement? Near furnace or water heater? What about a plain, sturdy storm door with plexi instead of glass? |
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Jim Elbrecht wrote: zxcvbob wrote: -snip- How hard would it be to cut a hollow-core door in two just above the knob and repair the cut edges by gluing in wooden blocks? I wouldn't even attempt it with a hollow core. Have you priced a pre-hung Dutch door? I'd trust it a lot further than something thrown together. [especially in what would be essentially a commercial usage] Nobody else said it, so I will- talk to your local code people and/or your insurance carrier. The rulebook for schools and daycare would probably apply. I don't think a residential door would pass muster, or last long. I think you are looking at metal frame and fire-rated door, and wired glass for the window. Leastways, that is what I have always seen used in that application. And unless the room has another exit, not sure a dutch door would be allowed- too confusing in the dark and smoke. If your church is broke, check out Habitat ReStore, even if you have to drive a couple towns over. The ones I have been in usually have a decent selection of ripout commercial doors, and since Habitat is church-based, they would likely cut you a break on the price. aem is right--check your local code. If code requires a window in the door, then you'll likely have to have one even if you make it a Dutch door. How else would you look in if both halves of the door are closed? 'Round here, all glass within four feet of a door is required to be of the safety variety--either tempered (breaks into crumbs), or laminated (has a central layer of plastic like auto glass), or both. -- Steve Bell New Life Home Improvement Arlington, TX USA |
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On 2/1/2009 3:02 PM aemeijers spake thus:
Jim Elbrecht wrote: zxcvbob wrote: -snip- How hard would it be to cut a hollow-core door in two just above the knob and repair the cut edges by gluing in wooden blocks? I wouldn't even attempt it with a hollow core. Have you priced a pre-hung Dutch door? I'd trust it a lot further than something thrown together. [especially in what would be essentially a commercial usage] Nobody else said it, so I will- talk to your local code people and/or your insurance carrier. The rulebook for schools and daycare would probably apply. I don't think a residential door would pass muster, or last long. I think you are looking at metal frame and fire-rated door, and wired glass for the window. Leastways, that is what I have always seen used in that application. And unless the room has another exit, not sure a dutch door would be allowed- too confusing in the dark and smoke. Good advice there. When I was going to install a Dutch door, my customer asked me to check code on it before going ahead. So I talked to the local building inspector (City of Oakland), who was very helpful. Basically, he asked me what kind of door was there before (it was a hollow-core door), and said that since the existing door wasn't fire-rated (and didn't need to be), the Dutch door needn't be either. So what I took away from this is that if one is installing a Dutch door to replace an existing door, assuming that the existing door is code-compliant, than the Dutch door should be built to the same spec as the existing door. If the door is fire-rated, then the Dutch door needs to be as well. -- Personally, I like Vista, but I probably won't use it. I like it because it generates considerable business for me in consulting and upgrades. As long as there is hardware and software out there that doesn't work, I stay in business. Incidentally, my company motto is "If this stuff worked, you wouldn't need me". - lifted from sci.electronics.repair |
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When growing up my dad's shop built on the back of the house
8' concrete... had just that. A large home made dutch door. I support getting a solid fire door - they are heavy and will provide support when cut. Might be a safety issue as well - save another headache. The home made ones were built with 1/2" marine plywood. The ply was the central section and large 6' wide boards framed it. They were 2x6's. They were slotted to allow the ply within. I think the idea of pre-hanging it in the first place is Great!!! Martin David Nebenzahl wrote: On 2/1/2009 12:49 PM zxcvbob spake thus: How hard would it be to cut a hollow-core door in two just above the knob and repair the cut edges by gluing in wooden blocks? And what about cutting a 20" square hole in the top half and framing in a Plexiglass panel? Would the hinges already be in the right place if I start with a pre-hung door? (I know I'd need to add a second pair of hinges.) The door probably needs to be hung on all 4 hinges *before* cutting it in half... I was going to do just this (install a Dutch door) for someone recently. Don't use a hollow-core door: use a solid door. No patching or filling necessary. Leave at least 1/8" clearance between doors. Yes, hang it by all 4 hinges first, then cut (duh!). You may want to consider adding a shelf to the bottom half; usual way is to reduce the height of the bottom door by the thickness of the shelf. Add supports on both sides as needed. |
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SteveBell wrote:
If code requires a window in the door, then you'll likely have to have one even if you make it a Dutch door. How else would you look in if both halves of the door are closed? The upper door needs a window... or there could just be a lower door. 'Round here, all glass within four feet of a door is required to be of the safety variety--either tempered (breaks into crumbs), or laminated (has a central layer of plastic like auto glass), or both. Definitely some kind of safety glass, or Plexiglas. I knew that much. Bob |
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"zxcvbob" wrote in message ... Definitely some kind of safety glass, or Plexiglas. I knew that much. And you might consider something tinted enough that children inside might not notice parents looking through as much, but those same parents can still see what's going on to some degree. |
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"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote: I support getting a solid fire door - they are heavy and will provide support when cut. Might be a safety issue as well - save another headache. If nothing else, make certain any dutch door for a nursery will support kids hanging off of it and swinging wildly. It will happen, although (presumably) against the rules, and the door needs to withstand the weight and torque. This of course also calls for beefy hinges, especially for the lower portion. I would not trust a hollow core door for this. Even if code doesn't require it, a glass (or plexiglass or whatever) panel is a really good idea in this age of liability and lawsuits and fears of child abuse, whether well-founded or not. Over the past few years, they've installed glass panels in all the nursery, classroom, and office doors in my church. -- Andrew Erickson "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliot |
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-MIKE- wrote:
Upscale wrote: "zxcvbob" wrote in message hinges.) The door probably needs to be hung on all 4 hinges *before* cutting it in half... Do the state rules say how or what height the window must be? With a bottom door in place to start, adults can see in as needed so a window shouldn't be needed there. You can go with a full door and cut it in half if you think it might be easier, but essentially you're fitting two doors into an existing space. I'd install the bottom door first just to get an effective working partition in there as soon as possible and then fit the upper door with window as needed. I wish they would allow one way mirror glass in nurseries. There is no such thing. It's just a semitransparent mirror--you can see through it to whichever side has the brighter light. When used, for example, in a police lineup, the bright light is on the lineup side, the dim light on the witness side, so the lineup sees a mirror. If you dim the lights on that side and turn them up on the witness side then you can see the other way. It's very frustrating to have just gotten the kids settled down from the trauma and drama of "losing" their parents, only to have over-protective mommy come back in 15 minutes "just to check on junior." Then junior starts the spaz-fest all over again and we're in for another half hour of wheezing, screaming, and panting. Mom, Dad... drop the poop monsters off and don't come back until you're taking them for good. rant over. -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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"Upscale" wrote in message ... "zxcvbob" wrote in message ... Definitely some kind of safety glass, or Plexiglas. I knew that much. And you might consider something tinted enough that children inside might not notice parents looking through as much, but those same parents can still see what's going on to some degree. If parents need to see in and the kids need to NOT see out, maybe an inexpensive monitor system could be installed. Modern electronics, cameras and moinitors are plentiful and much cheaper than they used to be. And if some problem kids are going to yell, perhaps some sound proofing. |
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-MIKE- wrote:
Mom, Dad... drop the poop monsters off and don't come back until you're taking them for good. rant over. On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 15:40:43 -0700, Mark & Juanita wrote: How about one of those peep-hole lenses that people install on their front doors? That way, overly protective Mom or Dad could peek in on the room without opening the door. (make sure the door swings inward so nobody gets a black eye). Web cam! Then he or she can check (cell phone) while finishing commuting to work. Or while sitting at work. Mark (sixoneeight) = 618 |
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J. Clarke wrote:
I wish they would allow one way mirror glass in nurseries. There is no such thing. It's just a semitransparent mirror--you can see through it to whichever side has the brighter light. When used, for example, in a police lineup, the bright light is on the lineup side, the dim light on the witness side, so the lineup sees a mirror. If you dim the lights on that side and turn them up on the witness side then you can see the other way. Hmmm, you say there is no such thing, then go on to describe how that very thing works. I'm confused. :-) -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On 2/2/2009 9:49 AM -MIKE- spake thus:
J. Clarke wrote: I wish they would allow one way mirror glass in nurseries. There is no such thing. It's just a semitransparent mirror--you can see through it to whichever side has the brighter light. When used, for example, in a police lineup, the bright light is on the lineup side, the dim light on the witness side, so the lineup sees a mirror. If you dim the lights on that side and turn them up on the witness side then you can see the other way. Hmmm, you say there is no such thing, then go on to describe how that very thing works. I'm confused. :-) There's no such thing as a "one-way" mirror--that is, a mirror that can always be seen through from one side and that always reflects from the other side. As he explained, it depends on different light levels on each side. -- Personally, I like Vista, but I probably won't use it. I like it because it generates considerable business for me in consulting and upgrades. As long as there is hardware and software out there that doesn't work, I stay in business. Incidentally, my company motto is "If this stuff worked, you wouldn't need me". - lifted from sci.electronics.repair |
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-MIKE- wrote:
J. Clarke wrote: I wish they would allow one way mirror glass in nurseries. There is no such thing. It's just a semitransparent mirror--you can see through it to whichever side has the brighter light. When used, for example, in a police lineup, the bright light is on the lineup side, the dim light on the witness side, so the lineup sees a mirror. If you dim the lights on that side and turn them up on the witness side then you can see the other way. Hmmm, you say there is no such thing, then go on to describe how that very thing works. I'm confused. :-) The mirror is not directional, it is the lighting that makes it so. -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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J. Clarke wrote:
-MIKE- wrote: J. Clarke wrote: I wish they would allow one way mirror glass in nurseries. There is no such thing. It's just a semitransparent mirror--you can see through it to whichever side has the brighter light. When used, for example, in a police lineup, the bright light is on the lineup side, the dim light on the witness side, so the lineup sees a mirror. If you dim the lights on that side and turn them up on the witness side then you can see the other way. Hmmm, you say there is no such thing, then go on to describe how that very thing works. I'm confused. :-) The mirror is not directional, it is the lighting that makes it so. To be more specific, the side you are able to see through tends to be poorly lighted, the other side is very well lighted. If you reversed the lighting, the mirror will almost work as well, they tend to be somewhat directional. -- Froz... |
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David Nebenzahl wrote:
J. Clarke wrote: I wish they would allow one way mirror glass in nurseries. There is no such thing. It's just a semitransparent mirror--you can see through it to whichever side has the brighter light. When used, for example, in a police lineup, the bright light is on the lineup side, the dim light on the witness side, so the lineup sees a mirror. If you dim the lights on that side and turn them up on the witness side then you can see the other way. Hmmm, you say there is no such thing, then go on to describe how that very thing works. I'm confused. :-) There's no such thing as a "one-way" mirror--that is, a mirror that can always be seen through from one side and that always reflects from the other side. As he explained, it depends on different light levels on each side. Read my reply to John. Do you guys get woodies from bringing up pointless and useless semantics? :-) -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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David Nebenzahl wrote:
There's no such thing as a "one-way" mirror--that is, a mirror that can always be seen through from one side and that always reflects from the other side. As he explained, it depends on different light levels on each side. I wasn't confused with his answer. I was confused as to why he felt the need to wallow in pointless, useless semantics. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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J. Clarke wrote:
-MIKE- wrote: J. Clarke wrote: I wish they would allow one way mirror glass in nurseries. There is no such thing. It's just a semitransparent mirror--you can see through it to whichever side has the brighter light. When used, for example, in a police lineup, the bright light is on the lineup side, the dim light on the witness side, so the lineup sees a mirror. If you dim the lights on that side and turn them up on the witness side then you can see the other way. Hmmm, you say there is no such thing, then go on to describe how that very thing works. I'm confused. :-) The mirror is not directional, it is the lighting that makes it so. Right, but google "one way mirror" and you get a thousand results with the same thing you posted, including from companies that make them. That's like telling someone there's no such thing as hamburger because there's no ham in it. So what? We all no what we're talking about. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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-MIKE- wrote:
David Nebenzahl wrote: J. Clarke wrote: I wish they would allow one way mirror glass in nurseries. There is no such thing. It's just a semitransparent mirror--you can see through it to whichever side has the brighter light. When used, for example, in a police lineup, the bright light is on the lineup side, the dim light on the witness side, so the lineup sees a mirror. If you dim the lights on that side and turn them up on the witness side then you can see the other way. Hmmm, you say there is no such thing, then go on to describe how that very thing works. I'm confused. :-) There's no such thing as a "one-way" mirror--that is, a mirror that can always be seen through from one side and that always reflects from the other side. As he explained, it depends on different light levels on each side. Read my reply to John. Do you guys get woodies from bringing up pointless and useless semantics? :-) Welcome to USENET. -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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"-MIKE-" wrote in message ... J. Clarke wrote: -MIKE- wrote: J. Clarke wrote: I wish they would allow one way mirror glass in nurseries. There is no such thing. It's just a semitransparent mirror--you can see through it to whichever side has the brighter light. When used, for example, in a police lineup, the bright light is on the lineup side, the dim light on the witness side, so the lineup sees a mirror. If you dim the lights on that side and turn them up on the witness side then you can see the other way. Hmmm, you say there is no such thing, then go on to describe how that very thing works. I'm confused. :-) The mirror is not directional, it is the lighting that makes it so. Right, but google "one way mirror" and you get a thousand results with the same thing you posted, including from companies that make them. That's like telling someone there's no such thing as hamburger because there's no ham in it. So what? We all no what we're talking about. IIRC the burger got its name from the burg where it first showed up not from its constituents. P D Q -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On Feb 2, 3:48 pm, -MIKE- wrote:
David Nebenzahl wrote: There's no such thing as a "one-way" mirror--that is, a mirror that can always be seen through from one side and that always reflects from the other side. As he explained, it depends on different light levels on each side. I wasn't confused with his answer. I was confused as to why he felt the need to wallow in pointless, useless semantics. Probably because you can't turn off all the lights in the church during mass? -Kevin |
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On 2/2/2009 2:59 PM PDQ spake thus:
IIRC the burger got its name from the burg where it first showed up not from its constituents. Hamburger = from Hamburg Hot dog = from Frankfurt (both in Germany) (at least so the legends go) -- Personally, I like Vista, but I probably won't use it. I like it because it generates considerable business for me in consulting and upgrades. As long as there is hardware and software out there that doesn't work, I stay in business. Incidentally, my company motto is "If this stuff worked, you wouldn't need me". - lifted from sci.electronics.repair |
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PDQ wrote:
The mirror is not directional, it is the lighting that makes it so. Right, but google "one way mirror" and you get a thousand results with the same thing you posted, including from companies that make them. That's like telling someone there's no such thing as hamburger because there's no ham in it. So what? We all no what we're talking about. IIRC the burger got its name from the burg where it first showed up not from its constituents. P D Q That would make you treasurer of the club for pointless and useless information. How often do you guys hold your meetings? :-p -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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"-MIKE-" wrote in message ... PDQ wrote: The mirror is not directional, it is the lighting that makes it so. Right, but google "one way mirror" and you get a thousand results with the same thing you posted, including from companies that make them. That's like telling someone there's no such thing as hamburger because there's no ham in it. So what? We all no what we're talking about. IIRC the burger got its name from the burg where it first showed up not from its constituents. P D Q That would make you treasurer of the club for pointless and useless information. How often do you guys hold your meetings? :-p As often as is required to garner the attention of otherwise useless nits. P D Q -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On 2/2/2009 3:56 PM -MIKE- spake thus:
PDQ wrote: The mirror is not directional, it is the lighting that makes it so. Right, but google "one way mirror" and you get a thousand results with the same thing you posted, including from companies that make them. That's like telling someone there's no such thing as hamburger because there's no ham in it. So what? We all no what we're talking about. IIRC the burger got its name from the burg where it first showed up not from its constituents. That would make you treasurer of the club for pointless and useless information. I see. So with you it's "just the facts, ma'am", is that it? I guess you're a regular Joe Friday. -- Personally, I like Vista, but I probably won't use it. I like it because it generates considerable business for me in consulting and upgrades. As long as there is hardware and software out there that doesn't work, I stay in business. Incidentally, my company motto is "If this stuff worked, you wouldn't need me". - lifted from sci.electronics.repair |
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That would make you treasurer of the club for pointless and useless
information. How often do you guys hold your meetings? :-p As often as is required to garner the attention of otherwise useless nits. P D Q Useless nits, right. Some of us actually offered useful advice to the OP and others of you.... Hmmm, which are useless again? -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 11:49:31 -0600, -MIKE-
wrote: J. Clarke wrote: I wish they would allow one way mirror glass in nurseries. There is no such thing. It's just a semitransparent mirror--you can see through it to whichever side has the brighter light. When used, for example, in a police lineup, the bright light is on the lineup side, the dim light on the witness side, so the lineup sees a mirror. If you dim the lights on that side and turn them up on the witness side then you can see the other way. Hmmm, you say there is no such thing, then go on to describe how that very thing works. I'm confused. :-) I don't have direct experience with police line-ups, but there absolutely is vinyl or polyethylene sheeting that is more transparent in one direction than in the other. It's almost white on one side, and brown on the other, and people on the brown side can see through it pretty well, but on the white side, the whiteness must make the pupils close down and one really can't see anything on the other side. Maybe if you put your eye right up to it, you could, but I don't know, I haven't tried that. I think I've seen other designs as well. I don't see why a day care place couldn't use this. It doesn't have any sharp edges. The plastic can be used alone or it can be stuck to lexan or glass sheeting. Even then it would be no more dangerous than a plain glass window, maybe less. If you can't find this at a fabric shop or plastic shop, email me and I'll find out where we got it. |
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On Feb 2, 3:48*pm, -MIKE- wrote:
David Nebenzahl wrote: There's no such thing as a "one-way" mirror--that is, a mirror that can always be seen through from one side and that always reflects from the other side. As he explained, it depends on different light levels on each side. I wasn't confused with his answer. I was confused as to why he felt the need to wallow in pointless, useless semantics. Uh-oh... now you've done it. |
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