I saw this on Craig's List and thought others might be interested.... might
not! I've got no connection to them. John

http://www.usedtablesawparts.com/

John Grossbohlin wrote:
I saw this on Craig's List and thought others might be interested....
might not! I've got no connection to them. John

http://www.usedtablesawparts.com/


You can get a lot of those parts, new, for less.... without the rust.


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On Jan 2, 2:30*pm, -MIKE- wrote:

You can get a lot of those parts, new, for less.... without the rust.

So.... get the parts you can easily purchase new at a better price
somewhere else, right?

But for all the old, well out of production parts for Rockwell saws,
planer, jointers, or DeWalt radial saw parts as well as some old Delta
parts, do you think someone might find that link helpful?

Keep posting, John.

Robert

wrote:
OnJan 2, 2:30 pm, -MIKE- wrote:

You can get a lot of those parts, new, for less.... without the
rust.

So.... get the parts you can easily purchase new at a better price
somewhere else, right?

But for all the old, well out of production parts for Rockwell saws,
planer, jointers, or DeWalt radial saw parts as well as some old
Delta parts, do you think someone might find that link helpful?

Keep posting, John.

Robert


I know it's easy to infer things from simply reading text, but I'm not
trying to **** on anyone's wheaties.

In my experience, especially with those Craftsman RAS, if you do enough
searching you can find "new old stock" cheaper or equal to used.

I think someone might find that information helpful as well. I thought
that was the purpose of these groups, to offer collective knowledge and
experience to help one another make more informed decisions.


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On Jan 2, 3:00*pm, -MIKE- wrote:

Compa

You can get a lot of those parts, new, for less.... without the
rust.

With:

In my experience, especially with those Craftsman RAS, if you do enough
searching you can find "new old stock" cheaper or equal to used.

To me, it sounded like you dismissed JG's post out of hand, with a
small slap at the end with your first missive.

The second response, complete with a personal qualification seemed to
me to be quite different in tone.

Hard to tell inflection from the written word.

I think someone might find that information helpful as well. I thought
that was the purpose of these groups, to offer collective knowledge and
experience to help one another make more informed decisions.

Couldn't agree more!

Robert

wrote:
On Jan 2, 3:00 pm, -MIKE- wrote:

Compa

You can get a lot of those parts, new, for less.... without the
rust.

With:

In my experience, especially with those Craftsman RAS, if you do enough
searching you can find "new old stock" cheaper or equal to used.

To me, it sounded like you dismissed JG's post out of hand, with a
small slap at the end with your first missive.


"to me" is the operative term.
Information is information.
If one infers other things into a simple statement, it's not my problem.
When I read a service manual, I don't criticize the author for being
trite.


The second response, complete with a personal qualification seemed to
me to be quite different in tone.


Again, "to me."


Hard to tell inflection from the written word.


Which is precisely why it shouldn't be attempted.


I think someone might find that information helpful as well. I thought
that was the purpose of these groups, to offer collective knowledge and
experience to help one another make more informed decisions.

Couldn't agree more!

Robert


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On Jan 2, 7:30*pm, -MIKE- wrote:

"to me" is the operative term.
Information is information.
If one infers other things into a simple statement, it's not my problem.
When I read a service manual, I don't criticize the author for being
trite.

I will read your posts more closely. I enjoy the conversational tone
of this forum, but will keep in mind that you will write only what you
mean, and mean exactly what you say without equivocation. Cold, hard
facts will be what I look for in your posts so that I won't be
confused.

The second response, complete with a personal qualification seemed to
me to be quite different in tone.

Again, "to me."

Yup, known to give people an out if they need it. Since I am not all
knowing, I always want anyone reading to know that my opinions are
just that.

Strange though, you used a similar tact with:

"In my experience, especially with those Craftsman RAS, "

In my experience...

To me...

Hmmm... in context of their respective original posts in this thread,
I don't see much difference. You qualified (or appeared to) your
opinion just as I did. Gave a little wiggle room, for what ever
reason that might be in your post.

Hard to tell inflection from the written word.

Which is precisely why it shouldn't be attempted.

My niece is going through this situation right now in her technical
writing class in Advanced Chem 2. Writing without giving any clue of
an opinion, preference, or influence is a practiced procedure, no
doubt.

You have explained your position in regards to posting here
perfectly.

I didn't realize the nature of your postings were simply meant to
shine the cold light of pure information on a subject. No more
interpretations.

Got it.

Robert

On Jan 2, 4:00*pm, -MIKE- wrote:
wrote:
OnJan 2, 2:30 pm, -MIKE- wrote:

You can get a lot of those parts, new, for less.... without the
rust.

So.... get the parts you can easily purchase new at a better price
somewhere else, right?

But for all the old, well out of production parts for Rockwell saws,
planer, jointers, or DeWalt radial saw parts as well as some old
Delta parts, do you think someone might find that link helpful?

Keep posting, John.

Robert

I know it's easy to infer things from simply reading text, but I'm not
trying to **** on anyone's wheaties.

In my experience, especially with those Craftsman RAS, if you do enough
searching you can find "new old stock" cheaper or equal to used.

I think someone might find that information helpful as well. I thought
that was the purpose of these groups, to offer collective knowledge and
experience to help one another make more informed decisions.

And opinions get debated on newsgroups as yours was...errr...is.

I took a quick gander at the site the OP posted, and I didn't see any
egregious rust. I saw a lot of sawdust, and some light rust here and
there. There was nothing on anything I saw would prevent me from
buying a part from them if the price was right (after looking into the
business to verify its integrity, of course).

There are two other factors that come into play.
- If someone has a piece of equipment they like, and it is a known
quantity, it's often easier, safer (as in you don't find out the NOS
has a cracked trunion and is a POS), cheaper and quicker to replace a
part than to buy a new piece of equipment and dispose of the old one.
- There's satisfaction in repairing something.

R

wrote:
On Jan 2, 7:30 pm, -MIKE- wrote:

"to me" is the operative term.
Information is information.
If one infers other things into a simple statement, it's not my problem.
When I read a service manual, I don't criticize the author for being
trite.

I will read your posts more closely. I enjoy the conversational tone
of this forum, but will keep in mind that you will write only what you
mean, and mean exactly what you say without equivocation. Cold, hard
facts will be what I look for in your posts so that I won't be
confused.

The second response, complete with a personal qualification seemed to
me to be quite different in tone.
Again, "to me."

Yup, known to give people an out if they need it. Since I am not all
knowing, I always want anyone reading to know that my opinions are
just that.

Strange though, you used a similar tact with:

"In my experience, especially with those Craftsman RAS, "

In my experience...

To me...

Hmmm... in context of their respective original posts in this thread,
I don't see much difference. You qualified (or appeared to) your
opinion just as I did. Gave a little wiggle room, for what ever
reason that might be in your post.

Hard to tell inflection from the written word.

Which is precisely why it shouldn't be attempted.

My niece is going through this situation right now in her technical
writing class in Advanced Chem 2. Writing without giving any clue of
an opinion, preference, or influence is a practiced procedure, no
doubt.

You have explained your position in regards to posting here
perfectly.

I didn't realize the nature of your postings were simply meant to
shine the cold light of pure information on a subject. No more
interpretations.

Got it.

Robert


Maybe I should write some instructions on hole digging.
(no need for inference)

Give it up. You got your panties in a wad because you assumed
the worst and ran with it. Now you refuse to let it go.



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RicodJour wrote:
I took a quick gander at the site the OP posted, and I didn't see any
egregious rust. I saw a lot of sawdust, and some light rust here and
there. There was nothing on anything I saw would prevent me from
buying a part from them if the price was right (after looking into the
business to verify its integrity, of course).


Guess it depends on you definition of egregious, which I had to look up.
:-)
http://xrl.us/carriagebearings

Egregious rust? I don't know. Certainly not enough to keep me from
buying them for a rebuild. But certainly enough to push me towards
buying them NOS for cheaper.


- There's satisfaction in repairing something.

R

I'm in 100 percent agreement with that.
The Craftsman RAS I have in the shop, I bought for $50 at a community
yard sale. I spent a good day and a half completely disassembling it,
taking WD-40 and steel wool to every bit of surface rust, lubricating
every moving part, installing the brand new table and saw guard I got
free from the recall, and going through the squaring and set-up
procedures in the manual.

With the great blade I put on it, it is the most accurate tool I've ever
owned.


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In my experience, especially with those Craftsman RAS, if you do enough
searching you can find "new old stock" cheaper or equal to used.


I almost forgot.
Most of those Craftsman RAS are part of the Emerson recall.

http://www.radialarmsawrecall.com/


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"-MIKE-" wrote in message
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The Craftsman RAS I have in the shop, I bought for $50 at a community yard
sale. I spent a good day and a half completely disassembling it,

Yow. And a drive-by to boot!

MikeWhy wrote:
"-MIKE-" wrote in message
...
The Craftsman RAS I have in the shop, I bought for $50 at a community
yard sale. I spent a good day and a half completely disassembling it,

Yow. And a drive-by to boot!


Drive by?

(forgive me if it's something that went over my head) :-)


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-MIKE- wrote:
MikeWhy wrote:
"-MIKE-" wrote in message
...
The Craftsman RAS I have in the shop, I bought for $50 at a community
yard sale. I spent a good day and a half completely disassembling it,

Yow. And a drive-by to boot!


Drive by?

(forgive me if it's something that went over my head) :-)

An ancient wreck term, the origins of which I now forget. Kinda like a
drive-by shooting, but without the violence. Effectively, you could
view it as having just driven past the gang in your truck with the
newly-refurbished RAS in the back (and the $50 price tag still
attached), with your thumbs in your ears, your fingers waving, and your
tongue stuck out. :-)

Which, by the way, warrants a big "You Suck". :-)

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On Jan 3, 11:38*am, -MIKE- wrote:

Give it up. You got your panties in a wad because you assumed
the worst and ran with it. *

I did? Now you can read my mind, too?

Why do you think you are important enough to get me upset? Get over
yourself.

Wait.... I am assuming you used some kind of literary device there to
infer a meaning. You know I don't wear panties, right? Not on
Saturday anyway, just Friday nights.

I am surprised and disappointed. I thought we were only going to see
the hard unvarnished truth from you, not any kind of metaphor in your
written words.

It is to laugh.

** flushing the toilet in this little piece of nonsense **

Robert

"MikeWhy" wrote in message
...
"-MIKE-" wrote in message
...
The Craftsman RAS I have in the shop, I bought for $50 at a community
yard sale. I spent a good day and a half completely disassembling it,

Yow. And a drive-by to boot!

A scum sucking GLOAT tossed out the window in passing. You suck, Mike.

Steve Turner wrote:
The Craftsman RAS I have in the shop, I bought for $50 at a
community yard sale. I spent a good day and a half completely
disassembling it,

Yow. And a drive-by to boot!


Drive by?

(forgive me if it's something that went over my head) :-)

An ancient wreck term, the origins of which I now forget. Kinda like a
drive-by shooting, but without the violence. Effectively, you could
view it as having just driven past the gang in your truck with the
newly-refurbished RAS in the back (and the $50 price tag still
attached), with your thumbs in your ears, your fingers waving, and your
tongue stuck out. :-)

Which, by the way, warrants a big "You Suck". :-)


I suspected. I would encourage anyone with a little time on his hands to
keep his eye on craigslist and the flea markets.

That Emerson recall replaces just about every significant part of the
saw, short of the motor. If I can find any more, I'll rehab and sell
them. The first one always takes the longest, as we all know.

Oh yeah, neener neener! :-)


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On Jan 3, 1:28*pm, -MIKE- wrote:
RicodJour wrote:
I took a quick gander at the site the OP posted, and I didn't see any
egregious rust. *I saw a lot of sawdust, and some light rust here and
there. *There was nothing on anything I saw would prevent me from
buying a part from them if the price was right (after looking into the
business to verify its integrity, of course).

Guess it depends on you definition of egregious, which I had to look up.
* *:-) http://xrl.us/carriagebearings

In doing a quick search I ran across this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Craftsman-12-In-...mZ120347222781
obviously the same item and Seller.
The Seller has a goodly number of sales, a 99.9% feedback rating and
states that they found the bearings to be in very good condition.
Seems like a safe bet to me.

Egregious rust? *I don't know. *Certainly not enough to keep me from
buying them for a rebuild. *But certainly enough to push me towards
buying them NOS for cheaper.

- There's satisfaction in repairing something.


I'm in 100 percent agreement with that.
The Craftsman RAS I have in the shop, I bought for $50 at a community
yard sale. *I spent a good day and a half completely disassembling it,
taking WD-40 and steel wool to every bit of surface rust, lubricating
every moving part, installing the brand new table and saw guard I got
free from the recall, and going through the squaring and set-up
procedures in the manual.

With the great blade I put on it, it is the most accurate tool I've ever
owned.

So...it was worth dealing with a little bit of rust? I'll have to
remember that.

R

MikeWhy wrote:
The Craftsman RAS I have in the shop, I bought for $50 at a community
yard sale. I spent a good day and a half completely disassembling it,

Yow. And a drive-by to boot!

A scum sucking GLOAT tossed out the window in passing. You suck, Mike.


Yes, yes I do. :-)

I told some friends that it makes me even, for all the times I made
stupid buying decisions and got ripped off.


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RicodJour wrote:
So...it was worth dealing with a little bit of rust? I'll have to
remember that.

R


We all know that there's rust..... and there's a '74 Nova from a
Cleveland suburb. :-)


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-MIKE- wrote:
Steve Turner wrote:
The Craftsman RAS I have in the shop, I bought for $50 at a
community yard sale. I spent a good day and a half completely
disassembling it,

Yow. And a drive-by to boot!


Drive by?

(forgive me if it's something that went over my head) :-)

An ancient wreck term, the origins of which I now forget. Kinda like
a drive-by shooting, but without the violence. Effectively, you could
view it as having just driven past the gang in your truck with the
newly-refurbished RAS in the back (and the $50 price tag still
attached), with your thumbs in your ears, your fingers waving, and
your tongue stuck out. :-)

Which, by the way, warrants a big "You Suck". :-)


I suspected. I would encourage anyone with a little time on his hands to
keep his eye on craigslist and the flea markets.

That Emerson recall replaces just about every significant part of the
saw, short of the motor. If I can find any more, I'll rehab and sell
them. The first one always takes the longest, as we all know.

Oh yeah, neener neener! :-)

All right Mike, confound it! Immediately after this discussion (on
Saturday afternoon) I went directly to CraigsList and found a good
one-owner mid-eighties 10" Craftsman RAS for $100, picked it up on
Sunday morning, and now I've got saw parts scattered all around the
shop! I have my recall parts on order (no confirmation yet though; how
long did that take?) and I figure I'd best not reassemble anything until
that stuff arrives since I don't want to install anything that's just
going to get replaced. I'm also going to rewire it for 220 since I have
several available circuits and the extra power should make it purr real
nice.

I've been wanting to replace my POS Delta compound miter saw for a LONG
time now, but every time I go look at new sliding miter saws the prices
just **** me off. In spite of what people tend to say about them I
think radial arm saws are incredibly useful; my Dad has a 12" Craftsman
that he bought in the early seventies, and I've logged many hours on
that machine, so I've just been looking for an excuse to get one of
those instead of a compound miter.

Now I'm having to explain to my wife why this "thing" has caused me to
stop work on all her little pet projects, so if you'll just kindly email
me your phone number I'll let her know who's to blame. :-)

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Oh yeah, neener neener! :-)

All right Mike, confound it! Immediately after this discussion (on
Saturday afternoon) I went directly to CraigsList and found a good
one-owner mid-eighties 10" Craftsman RAS for $100, picked it up on
Sunday morning, and now I've got saw parts scattered all around the
shop! I have my recall parts on order (no confirmation yet though; how
long did that take?) and I figure I'd best not reassemble anything until
that stuff arrives since I don't want to install anything that's just
going to get replaced. I'm also going to rewire it for 220 since I have
several available circuits and the extra power should make it purr real
nice.

I've been wanting to replace my POS Delta compound miter saw for a LONG
time now, but every time I go look at new sliding miter saws the prices
just **** me off. In spite of what people tend to say about them I
think radial arm saws are incredibly useful; my Dad has a 12" Craftsman
that he bought in the early seventies, and I've logged many hours on
that machine, so I've just been looking for an excuse to get one of
those instead of a compound miter.

Now I'm having to explain to my wife why this "thing" has caused me to
stop work on all her little pet projects, so if you'll just kindly email
me your phone number I'll let her know who's to blame. :-)


Well, congratulations! I just wonder why you paid so much. :-p

My, big, heavy boxes arrived in about three days. I was surprised.
Somewhere I found and downloaded a more detailed manual...
maybe the service manual. If I have it, I'll email it.


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-MIKE- wrote:
All right Mike, confound it! Immediately after this discussion (on
Saturday afternoon) I went directly to CraigsList and found a good
one-owner mid-eighties 10" Craftsman RAS for $100...

Well, congratulations! I just wonder why you paid so much. :-p

Meh - fifty bucks, a hundred bucks; what's the difference? :-)

My, big, heavy boxes arrived in about three days. I was surprised.

Wow, awesome. Did you receive any kind of confirmation first, either by
email or status update on their web page? The website shows my initial
order, but it hasn't been updated.

Somewhere I found and downloaded a more detailed manual...
maybe the service manual. If I have it, I'll email it.

Do you mean one of these?

http://www.radialarmsawrecall.com/installation.asp

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Steve Turner wrote:
My, big, heavy boxes arrived in about three days. I was surprised.

Wow, awesome. Did you receive any kind of confirmation first, either by
email or status update on their web page? The website shows my initial
order, but it hasn't been updated.


No, just a ****ed off UPS driving, walking away grumbling and rubbing
his shoulder. :-)


Somewhere I found and downloaded a more detailed manual...
maybe the service manual. If I have it, I'll email it.

Do you mean one of these?

http://www.radialarmsawrecall.com/installation.asp


Similar, but with more detailed adjustment procedures.


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"-MIKE-" wrote in message
...
Steve Turner wrote:
My, big, heavy boxes arrived in about three days. I was surprised.

Wow, awesome. Did you receive any kind of confirmation first, either by
email or status update on their web page? The website shows my initial
order, but it hasn't been updated.


No, just a ****ed off UPS driving, walking away grumbling and rubbing his
shoulder. :-)


Somewhere I found and downloaded a more detailed manual...
maybe the service manual. If I have it, I'll email it.

Do you mean one of these?

http://www.radialarmsawrecall.com/installation.asp


Similar, but with more detailed adjustment procedures.

I don't get it. It looks like just a new guard. What's the excitement?

MikeWhy wrote:
"-MIKE-" wrote in message
...
Steve Turner wrote:
My, big, heavy boxes arrived in about three days. I was surprised.

Wow, awesome. Did you receive any kind of confirmation first, either
by email or status update on their web page? The website shows my
initial order, but it hasn't been updated.


No, just a ****ed off UPS driving, walking away grumbling and rubbing
his shoulder. :-)


Somewhere I found and downloaded a more detailed manual...
maybe the service manual. If I have it, I'll email it.

Do you mean one of these?

http://www.radialarmsawrecall.com/installation.asp


Similar, but with more detailed adjustment procedures.

I don't get it. It looks like just a new guard. What's the excitement?


Have you seen the old "guards" on these things? They scream "lost
digits!" :-)
That's what always kept me from picking up a used one.... as the new
ones are ridiculously expensive.

Mine came with a completely new guard/handle assembly, and table top w/
support brackets, and some other little bells and whistles I forgot
about. The guard is really nice and works correctly for ripping, too.

I certainly could've started using the saw, right then and there, but
I'm the kind of guy who doesn't like other people's dirt. :-) After
cleaning/lubing it all up and doing all the suggested calibrations, it's
better than most new RAS's I've seen. It's sturdy, accurate, smooth,
"safe," and didn't cost $500.

Safe is is quotation marks because anytime a saw travels in the same
direction as the blade rotation, there's added caution one must take
when using it.


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