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I am a long time wreck lurker. and a recent post by Jim Laumann "A 'puter
in the shop" got me thinking. In 1994 when I purchased my first house I wanted to buy a RAS to help with some of the fix ups needed. My father who lived close by talked me into getting a tablesaw because he already had a ras and said it would be nice to have both between us. So it was off to the local sears and I purchased a contractors table saw. I purchased the saw for $449.00 and I could not believe that I spent that much on something I didn't event know how to use. About a year later, my wife and I decided to purchase our first computer. I am a CAD tech and I did not want anything less than I was using at work at the time. So I went to the local computer shop and had one built to try to save money. I had to have that new HOTTT Pentium chip. I was really excited to get the Pentium 90 that ran so hot it needed its own fan. I paid $150 bucks extra to double the RAM to 16 megs, and I got a huge 15" svga monitor. Final price for that computer was $2300 but man was I styling......AOL at a whopping 14.bps ...... life doesn't get any better.... Now 2004, I have a used $449.00 craftsman table saw that I still thoroughly enjoy, and that $2300 computer is darkening some corner in a land fill right now..... what I wouldn't give to has that $2300 in tools now, Funny what we are willing to spend money on. |
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"Rick Cox" wrote in message ink.net... Now 2004, I have a used $449.00 craftsman table saw that I still thoroughly enjoy, and that $2300 computer is darkening some corner in a land fill right now..... what I wouldn't give to has that $2300 in tools now, Funny what we are willing to spend money on. I have thought of this often. Spend a grand on a computer and it will be worth exactly nothing in 10 years whereas a grand invested in a jointer, tablesaw, or any blurfl will not only still be useful, but it will retain resale value. Frank |
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On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 04:00:03 GMT, "Frank Ketchum"
wrote: I have thought of this often. Spend a grand on a computer and it will be worth exactly nothing in 10 years whereas a grand invested in a jointer, tablesaw, or any blurfl will not only still be useful, but it will retain resale value. And a grand's worth of time invested in going to see furniture that is worth emulating will pay off in greater measure than either investment in hardware. Too much of this newsgroups's time is taken up with the investigation of the "How' in preference to the "What" or the "Why". Pay for a plane ticket and sit in front of a Goddard-Townsend Chest for a couple of hours. Go to your local museum and visit the best examples of furniture to be found there. Pay for a nice lunch and a good glass of wine and think about the why and the what of the pieces that you best like. Take your money and buy a good piece of furniture - take it into your house and your mind and think on what makes it good. Thomas J. Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.) (Real Email is tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet) http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/ |
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On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 23:18:32 -0500, Tom Watson
wrote: On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 04:00:03 GMT, "Frank Ketchum" wrote: I have thought of this often. Spend a grand on a computer and it will be worth exactly nothing in 10 years whereas a grand invested in a jointer, tablesaw, or any blurfl will not only still be useful, but it will retain resale value. And a grand's worth of time invested in going to see furniture that is worth emulating will pay off in greater measure than either investment in hardware. Too much of this newsgroups's time is taken up with the investigation of the "How' in preference to the "What" or the "Why". Excellent advice. I consider myself lucky to live 2 hrs from NYC and Boston, 1 hr from both Old Sturbridge Village and Hancock Shaker Village, and have some excellent art galleries that can be visited on a long lunch break. Only recently did I realize the true value of visiting these places in the pursuit of this craft. Barry |
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"Tom Watson" wrote in message ... On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 04:00:03 GMT, "Frank Ketchum" wrote: I have thought of this often. Spend a grand on a computer and it will be worth exactly nothing in 10 years whereas a grand invested in a jointer, tablesaw, or any blurfl will not only still be useful, but it will retain resale value. And a grand's worth of time invested in going to see furniture that is worth emulating will pay off in greater measure than either investment in hardware. Too much of this newsgroups's time is taken up with the investigation of the "How' in preference to the "What" or the "Why". Pay for a plane ticket and sit in front of a Goddard-Townsend Chest for a couple of hours. Go to your local museum and visit the best examples of furniture to be found there. Pay for a nice lunch and a good glass of wine and think about the why and the what of the pieces that you best like. Take your money and buy a good piece of furniture - take it into your house and your mind and think on what makes it good. Thomas J. Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.) (Real Email is tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet) http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/ Agreed. I recently visited my town's local museum, a place that I have only been once before. Always thought it was for the tourists. They have quite an impressive early american furniture collection that I spent not nearly enough time looking at. Unfortunately, they don't let you touch it. Jon E |
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On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 00:16:51 GMT, "Jon Endres, PE"
t wrote: Agreed. I recently visited my town's local museum, a place that I have only been once before. Always thought it was for the tourists. They have quite an impressive early american furniture collection that I spent not nearly enough time looking at. Unfortunately, they don't let you touch it. They don't let "the public" touch it. Try a different approach: Write-- (write, don't just show up)-- and explain that you'd like to take some measurements during a quiet / slow / closed time that is convenient for the curator. Explain that you'll wear cotton gloves and use only a cloth tape measure to do your measuring. Assure them that you won't let a ball point pen anywhere near the furniture-- you'll do all your recording with a pencil. A museum's purpose is not only to archive knowledge, but to disseminate it. If you show you have a real interest, I bet you'll be suprised at the positive response a respectful request brings you. Michael |
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On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 04:23:45 GMT, Michael Baglio
wrote: On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 00:16:51 GMT, "Jon Endres, PE" wrote: Agreed. I recently visited my town's local museum, a place that I have only been once before. Always thought it was for the tourists. They have quite an impressive early american furniture collection that I spent not nearly enough time looking at. Unfortunately, they don't let you touch it. They don't let "the public" touch it. Try a different approach: Write-- (write, don't just show up)-- and explain that you'd like to take some measurements during a quiet / slow / closed time that is convenient for the curator. Failing that, try to take digital pictures with a known sized object in the photo. I've been known to drop a crisp dollar bill into a photo for scale purposes. G Digital cameras are also useful in "No Photo" areas, as they can be set to video mode, and held at your side. You can then pull the frame(s) you want later. Barry |
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"Michael Baglio @nc.rr.com" mbaglioNOSPAM wrote in message
... On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 00:16:51 GMT, "Jon Endres, PE" t wrote: Agreed. I recently visited my town's local museum, a place that I have only been once before. Always thought it was for the tourists. They have quite an impressive early american furniture collection that I spent not nearly enough time looking at. Unfortunately, they don't let you touch it. They don't let "the public" touch it. Try a different approach: Write-- (write, don't just show up)-- and explain that you'd like to take some measurements during a quiet / slow / closed time that is convenient for the curator. Explain that you'll wear cotton gloves and use only a cloth tape measure to do your measuring. Assure them that you won't let a ball point pen anywhere near the furniture-- you'll do all your recording with a pencil. A museum's purpose is not only to archive knowledge, but to disseminate it. If you show you have a real interest, I bet you'll be suprised at the positive response a respectful request brings you. Michael Umm. Hadn't thought of that. Since I am well acquainted with both the director and curator, I guess I'll just ask. I like the dollar bill trick that Barry gave. Thanks. Jon |
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In article ,
Tom Watson writes: And a grand's worth of time invested in going to see furniture that is worth emulating will pay off in greater measure than either investment in hardware. Too much of this newsgroups's time is taken up with the investigation of the "How' in preference to the "What" or the "Why". Careful, Tom. If that high horse you're on bucks, it's a long way to the ground. Anyone who has spent a modicum of time on the wreck will notice that a lot of people just plane "get off" on the tools. Just try to wipe that ****-eating grin off my face when I'm blasting away with a pneumatic nailer. And how many of us will admit to getting a plane tuned to within a gnat's ass and reducing a board to a huge pile of curlies? I could go on with other examples, but I think you get my drift. Sometimes (sometimes, mind you) I don't ask for or desire anything deeper. -- Jeff Thunder The From: header above is wrong on porpoise To reply, use jeffthunder (at) comcast (dot) net |
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Yeah, I feel your pain. I just sold a bunch of old computers that I had
laying around, a Sun Ultra 5 and a old DEC Alpha among them, that I had purchased used from clients over the years to mess around with at home. I figure about $1800.00 worth of stuff when I bought it. Got about $175.00 for it. At least I'll be able to get that nice Lie-Nielsen block plane I've had my eye on. Kevin "Rick Cox" wrote in message ink.net... I am a long time wreck lurker. and a recent post by Jim Laumann "A 'puter in the shop" got me thinking. In 1994 when I purchased my first house I wanted to buy a RAS to help with some of the fix ups needed. My father who lived close by talked me into getting a tablesaw because he already had a ras and said it would be nice to have both between us. So it was off to the local sears and I purchased a contractors table saw. I purchased the saw for $449.00 and I could not believe that I spent that much on something I didn't event know how to use. About a year later, my wife and I decided to purchase our first computer. I am a CAD tech and I did not want anything less than I was using at work at the time. So I went to the local computer shop and had one built to try to save money. I had to have that new HOTTT Pentium chip. I was really excited to get the Pentium 90 that ran so hot it needed its own fan. I paid $150 bucks extra to double the RAM to 16 megs, and I got a huge 15" svga monitor. Final price for that computer was $2300 but man was I styling......AOL at a whopping 14.bps ...... life doesn't get any better.... Now 2004, I have a used $449.00 craftsman table saw that I still thoroughly enjoy, and that $2300 computer is darkening some corner in a land fill right now..... what I wouldn't give to has that $2300 in tools now, Funny what we are willing to spend money on. |
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I always stay off the bleeding edge of computer technology. It saves me a
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"Greg" wrote in message
... I always stay off the bleeding edge of computer technology. It saves me a fortune. I sorta have to stay somewhat near the bleeding edge, as I run Autocad on three workstations in my office. One finally died, so it gave me the justification (to myself, I guess) to buy new parts for two of them. So now, what was a Pentium 700 (the dead one) and an old Celeron 350 are now Athlon 2600+ with 1 GB memory, 80 Gb drives, and new CD-Rw's. Not leading edge by any means, but they are ssssssmokin' fast compared to the old ones. Now I just need to scrape together my pennies for better monitors. OBWW. Nada. Zip. Nothing. Oh well. Jon E |
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"Jon Endres, PE" t wrote in message et... "Greg" wrote in message ... I always stay off the bleeding edge of computer technology. It saves me a fortune. I sorta have to stay somewhat near the bleeding edge, as I run Autocad on three workstations in my office. One finally died, so it gave me the justification (to myself, I guess) to buy new parts for two of them. So now, what was a Pentium 700 (the dead one) and an old Celeron 350 are now Athlon 2600+ with 1 GB memory, 80 Gb drives, and new CD-Rw's. Not leading edge by any means, but they are ssssssmokin' fast compared to the old ones. Funny isn't it, the more you have the more you need. I have 768mb of RAM and a 120gb HD but I want more, More, MORE! Now I just need to scrape together my pennies for better monitors. Just bought a Planar 19" LCD and have a 2nd one on order, and moved my (2) old Hitachi 20" CRTs to another room. I like the additional real estate on my desk. I had to keep my desk a foot away from the wall. Those Hitachi's were almost 28" deep and made my office hot! The Planar runs cool. |
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Funny isn't it, the more you have the more you need.
I am on a P166 as we speak. I do have a faster machine but this is my internet cruiser. |
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"Kevin B" wrote in message news:2OqLb.3368$5V2.8651@attbi_s53... Yeah, I feel your pain. I just sold a bunch of old computers that I had laying around, a Sun Ultra 5 and a old DEC Alpha among them, that I had purchased used from clients over the years to mess around with at home. I figure about $1800.00 worth of stuff when I bought it. Got about $175.00 for it. At least I'll be able to get that nice Lie-Nielsen block plane I've had my eye on. Kevin I have been upgrading every 3-4 years. What I am running now is a Compaq with a 667 Celeron. I may keep this one a bit longer! I don't do any gaming so I don't need blistering speed. This crate surf's the net and groups just fine. I figure when software makes its next jump and everything isn't compatable anymore then it will be time. Greg |
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That's what I say about my Compaq, pent II, 333 with win.98 1st edition in
it. Work's just fine for me. Tony D. "Greg O" wrote in message ... I have been upgrading every 3-4 years. What I am running now is a Compaq with a 667 Celeron. I may keep this one a bit longer! I don't do any gaming so I don't need blistering speed. This crate surf's the net and groups just fine. I figure when software makes its next jump and everything isn't compatable anymore then it will be time. Greg |
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Fri, Jan 9, 2004, 12:01am (EST-1) (Greg=A0O) says:
snip This crate surf's the net and groups just fine. snip Yep, that's basicaly why I haven't upgraded from WebTV. It works, it's paid for. But, with so much stuff on PDF now, and translators not showing graphics with WebTV, I will probably upgrade to a el-cheapo computer, when, and if, my WebTV dies. JOAT Don't e-mail me while I'm breathing. Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT Web Page Update 9 Jan 2004. Some tunes I like. http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofal...OMETUNESILIKE/ |
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"Rick Cox" wrote in message ink.net... I am a long time wreck lurker. and a recent post by Jim Laumann "A 'puter in the shop" got me thinking. In 1994 when I purchased my first house I wanted to buy a RAS to help with some of the fix ups needed. My father who lived close by talked me into getting a tablesaw because he already had a ras and said it would be nice to have both between us. So it was off to the local sears and I purchased a contractors table saw. I purchased the saw for $449.00 and I could not believe that I spent that much on something I didn't event know how to use. About a year later, my wife and I decided to purchase our first computer. I am a CAD tech and I did not want anything less than I was using at work at the time. So I went to the local computer shop and had one built to try to save money. I had to have that new HOTTT Pentium chip. I was really excited to get the Pentium 90 that ran so hot it needed its own fan. I paid $150 bucks extra to double the RAM to 16 megs, and I got a huge 15" svga monitor. Final price for that computer was $2300 but man was I styling......AOL at a whopping 14.bps ...... life doesn't get any better.... Now 2004, I have a used $449.00 craftsman table saw that I still thoroughly enjoy, and that $2300 computer is darkening some corner in a land fill right now..... what I wouldn't give to has that $2300 in tools now, Funny what we are willing to spend money on. Just this past week I finally kicked sniff my first 2 computers to the curb to free up some real estate in the garage. A Commodore VIC20 bought in 1984 and a clone 286/12 bought in 1988. Paid $80 for the VIC at Toys R Us and had a loan for 3 years on the 286, it cost $3300. My present machine (I use AutoCAD daily for my livelihood) cost 1/3 of the 286. |
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Autocad....sigh.....
Speaking of money down the toilet....we have till the 15 to upgrade some of our 2000 seats or they will no longer be updateable....to me that is extorsion. I use Land Development Desktop and Civil packages which cost about $8000 for a new seat...sigh... "Don" wrote in message ... "Rick Cox" wrote in message ink.net... I am a long time wreck lurker. and a recent post by Jim Laumann "A 'puter in the shop" got me thinking. In 1994 when I purchased my first house I wanted to buy a RAS to help with some of the fix ups needed. My father who lived close by talked me into getting a tablesaw because he already had a ras and said it would be nice to have both between us. So it was off to the local sears and I purchased a contractors table saw. I purchased the saw for $449.00 and I could not believe that I spent that much on something I didn't event know how to use. About a year later, my wife and I decided to purchase our first computer. I am a CAD tech and I did not want anything less than I was using at work at the time. So I went to the local computer shop and had one built to try to save money. I had to have that new HOTTT Pentium chip. I was really excited to get the Pentium 90 that ran so hot it needed its own fan. I paid $150 bucks extra to double the RAM to 16 megs, and I got a huge 15" svga monitor. Final price for that computer was $2300 but man was I styling......AOL at a whopping 14.bps ...... life doesn't get any better.... Now 2004, I have a used $449.00 craftsman table saw that I still thoroughly enjoy, and that $2300 computer is darkening some corner in a land fill right now..... what I wouldn't give to has that $2300 in tools now, Funny what we are willing to spend money on. Just this past week I finally kicked sniff my first 2 computers to the curb to free up some real estate in the garage. A Commodore VIC20 bought in 1984 and a clone 286/12 bought in 1988. Paid $80 for the VIC at Toys R Us and had a loan for 3 years on the 286, it cost $3300. My present machine (I use AutoCAD daily for my livelihood) cost 1/3 of the 286. |
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Sucks, don't it? I have LDDT 2i, and they've given me until June to upgrade
mine. I can't afford the damn extortion, but it's better than buying three new ones, I guess. Jon E "Rick Cox" wrote in message gy.com... Autocad....sigh..... Speaking of money down the toilet....we have till the 15 to upgrade some of our 2000 seats or they will no longer be updateable....to me that is extorsion. I use Land Development Desktop and Civil packages which cost about $8000 for a new seat...sigh... "Don" wrote in message ... "Rick Cox" wrote in message ink.net... I am a long time wreck lurker. and a recent post by Jim Laumann "A 'puter in the shop" got me thinking. In 1994 when I purchased my first house I wanted to buy a RAS to help with some of the fix ups needed. My father who lived close by talked me into getting a tablesaw because he already had a ras and said it would be nice to have both between us. So it was off to the local sears and I purchased a contractors table saw. I purchased the saw for $449.00 and I could not believe that I spent that much on something I didn't event know how to use. About a year later, my wife and I decided to purchase our first computer. I am a CAD tech and I did not want anything less than I was using at work at the time. So I went to the local computer shop and had one built to try to save money. I had to have that new HOTTT Pentium chip. I was really excited to get the Pentium 90 that ran so hot it needed its own fan. I paid $150 bucks extra to double the RAM to 16 megs, and I got a huge 15" svga monitor. Final price for that computer was $2300 but man was I styling......AOL at a whopping 14.bps ...... life doesn't get any better.... Now 2004, I have a used $449.00 craftsman table saw that I still thoroughly enjoy, and that $2300 computer is darkening some corner in a land fill right now..... what I wouldn't give to has that $2300 in tools now, Funny what we are willing to spend money on. Just this past week I finally kicked sniff my first 2 computers to the curb to free up some real estate in the garage. A Commodore VIC20 bought in 1984 and a clone 286/12 bought in 1988. Paid $80 for the VIC at Toys R Us and had a loan for 3 years on the 286, it cost $3300. My present machine (I use AutoCAD daily for my livelihood) cost 1/3 of the 286. |
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I wonder if AutoDesk is in cohoots with Microsoft?
I was using AutoCAD R12 on Windows 3.11 and then Windows 95, then I upgraded to Windows 98 and my R12 wouldn't work. So I bought AutoCAD LT 98, to run with my Windows 98, then I upgraded to LT2000 which I am still using. Then I upgraded to Windows XP, 3 months later I find out the upgrade will expire on my LT2000. Between Microsoft and AutoDesk, I feel like a ping pong ball, with a perpetually empty wallet. "Jon Endres, PE" t wrote in message news Sucks, don't it? I have LDDT 2i, and they've given me until June to upgrade mine. I can't afford the damn extortion, but it's better than buying three new ones, I guess. Jon E "Rick Cox" wrote in message gy.com... Autocad....sigh..... Speaking of money down the toilet....we have till the 15 to upgrade some of our 2000 seats or they will no longer be updateable....to me that is extorsion. I use Land Development Desktop and Civil packages which cost about $8000 for a new seat...sigh... "Don" wrote in message ... "Rick Cox" wrote in message ink.net... I am a long time wreck lurker. and a recent post by Jim Laumann "A 'puter in the shop" got me thinking. In 1994 when I purchased my first house I wanted to buy a RAS to help with some of the fix ups needed. My father who lived close by talked me into getting a tablesaw because he already had a ras and said it would be nice to have both between us. So it was off to the local sears and I purchased a contractors table saw. I purchased the saw for $449.00 and I could not believe that I spent that much on something I didn't event know how to use. About a year later, my wife and I decided to purchase our first computer. I am a CAD tech and I did not want anything less than I was using at work at the time. So I went to the local computer shop and had one built to try to save money. I had to have that new HOTTT Pentium chip. I was really excited to get the Pentium 90 that ran so hot it needed its own fan. I paid $150 bucks extra to double the RAM to 16 megs, and I got a huge 15" svga monitor. Final price for that computer was $2300 but man was I styling......AOL at a whopping 14.bps ...... life doesn't get any better.... Now 2004, I have a used $449.00 craftsman table saw that I still thoroughly enjoy, and that $2300 computer is darkening some corner in a land fill right now..... what I wouldn't give to has that $2300 in tools now, Funny what we are willing to spend money on. Just this past week I finally kicked sniff my first 2 computers to the curb to free up some real estate in the garage. A Commodore VIC20 bought in 1984 and a clone 286/12 bought in 1988. Paid $80 for the VIC at Toys R Us and had a loan for 3 years on the 286, it cost $3300. My present machine (I use AutoCAD daily for my livelihood) cost 1/3 of the 286. |
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I just got my upgrade in the mail yesterday, haven't installed it yet, cause
I'm in the middle of a big project. I used full blown AutoCAD until 1998 then I converted to LT, as I couldn't justify the cost of the full blown version. LT does fine for me, I design homes. I don't like the way AutoDesk cuts you off at the knees regarding the support and upgrades. 2000 seats? Holy cow! Are you a drafter there at Sands Decker? "Rick Cox" wrote in message gy.com... Autocad....sigh..... Speaking of money down the toilet....we have till the 15 to upgrade some of our 2000 seats or they will no longer be updateable....to me that is extorsion. I use Land Development Desktop and Civil packages which cost about $8000 for a new seat...sigh... "Don" wrote in message ... "Rick Cox" wrote in message ink.net... I am a long time wreck lurker. and a recent post by Jim Laumann "A 'puter in the shop" got me thinking. In 1994 when I purchased my first house I wanted to buy a RAS to help with some of the fix ups needed. My father who lived close by talked me into getting a tablesaw because he already had a ras and said it would be nice to have both between us. So it was off to the local sears and I purchased a contractors table saw. I purchased the saw for $449.00 and I could not believe that I spent that much on something I didn't event know how to use. About a year later, my wife and I decided to purchase our first computer. I am a CAD tech and I did not want anything less than I was using at work at the time. So I went to the local computer shop and had one built to try to save money. I had to have that new HOTTT Pentium chip. I was really excited to get the Pentium 90 that ran so hot it needed its own fan. I paid $150 bucks extra to double the RAM to 16 megs, and I got a huge 15" svga monitor. Final price for that computer was $2300 but man was I styling......AOL at a whopping 14.bps ...... life doesn't get any better.... Now 2004, I have a used $449.00 craftsman table saw that I still thoroughly enjoy, and that $2300 computer is darkening some corner in a land fill right now..... what I wouldn't give to has that $2300 in tools now, Funny what we are willing to spend money on. Just this past week I finally kicked sniff my first 2 computers to the curb to free up some real estate in the garage. A Commodore VIC20 bought in 1984 and a clone 286/12 bought in 1988. Paid $80 for the VIC at Toys R Us and had a loan for 3 years on the 286, it cost $3300. My present machine (I use AutoCAD daily for my livelihood) cost 1/3 of the 286. |
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"Don" wrote in message t... 2000 seats? Holy cow! I think he meant "Release 2000, seats". I can't imagine any company in the world having 2000 seats of Autocad. Talk about bankruptcy. Jon |
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"Jon Endres, PE" t wrote in message et... "Don" wrote in message t... 2000 seats? Holy cow! I think he meant "Release 2000, seats". I can't imagine any company in the world having 2000 seats of Autocad. Talk about bankruptcy. I'd hope they received a volume discount! |
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yeah i am a drafter and designer, i am pretty good at site grading and
earthworks, we are doing alot of schools all over ohio. "Don" wrote in message t... I just got my upgrade in the mail yesterday, haven't installed it yet, cause I'm in the middle of a big project. I used full blown AutoCAD until 1998 then I converted to LT, as I couldn't justify the cost of the full blown version. LT does fine for me, I design homes. I don't like the way AutoDesk cuts you off at the knees regarding the support and upgrades. 2000 seats? Holy cow! Are you a drafter there at Sands Decker? "Rick Cox" wrote in message gy.com... Autocad....sigh..... Speaking of money down the toilet....we have till the 15 to upgrade some of our 2000 seats or they will no longer be updateable....to me that is extorsion. I use Land Development Desktop and Civil packages which cost about $8000 for a new seat...sigh... "Don" wrote in message ... "Rick Cox" wrote in message ink.net... I am a long time wreck lurker. and a recent post by Jim Laumann "A 'puter in the shop" got me thinking. In 1994 when I purchased my first house I wanted to buy a RAS to help with some of the fix ups needed. My father who lived close by talked me into getting a tablesaw because he already had a ras and said it would be nice to have both between us. So it was off to the local sears and I purchased a contractors table saw. I purchased the saw for $449.00 and I could not believe that I spent that much on something I didn't event know how to use. About a year later, my wife and I decided to purchase our first computer. I am a CAD tech and I did not want anything less than I was using at work at the time. So I went to the local computer shop and had one built to try to save money. I had to have that new HOTTT Pentium chip. I was really excited to get the Pentium 90 that ran so hot it needed its own fan. I paid $150 bucks extra to double the RAM to 16 megs, and I got a huge 15" svga monitor. Final price for that computer was $2300 but man was I styling......AOL at a whopping 14.bps ...... life doesn't get any better.... Now 2004, I have a used $449.00 craftsman table saw that I still thoroughly enjoy, and that $2300 computer is darkening some corner in a land fill right now..... what I wouldn't give to has that $2300 in tools now, Funny what we are willing to spend money on. Just this past week I finally kicked sniff my first 2 computers to the curb to free up some real estate in the garage. A Commodore VIC20 bought in 1984 and a clone 286/12 bought in 1988. Paid $80 for the VIC at Toys R Us and had a loan for 3 years on the 286, it cost $3300. My present machine (I use AutoCAD daily for my livelihood) cost 1/3 of the 286. |
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Damn, have you seen the prices of the Vic20's and Commodore 64's at flea
markets and things??? Collectors are paying a pretty penny for them. There's one or the other, I can't remember which, in the Smithsonian. I'm hanging on to both my Vic 20 and Commodore. -- "Cartoons don't have any deep meaning. They're just stupid drawings that give you a cheap laugh." Homer Simpson Jerry© The Phoneman® "Don" wrote in message ... "Rick Cox" wrote in message ink.net... I am a long time wreck lurker. and a recent post by Jim Laumann "A 'puter in the shop" got me thinking. In 1994 when I purchased my first house I wanted to buy a RAS to help with some of the fix ups needed. My father who lived close by talked me into getting a tablesaw because he already had a ras and said it would be nice to have both between us. So it was off to the local sears and I purchased a contractors table saw. I purchased the saw for $449.00 and I could not believe that I spent that much on something I didn't event know how to use. About a year later, my wife and I decided to purchase our first computer. I am a CAD tech and I did not want anything less than I was using at work at the time. So I went to the local computer shop and had one built to try to save money. I had to have that new HOTTT Pentium chip. I was really excited to get the Pentium 90 that ran so hot it needed its own fan. I paid $150 bucks extra to double the RAM to 16 megs, and I got a huge 15" svga monitor. Final price for that computer was $2300 but man was I styling......AOL at a whopping 14.bps ...... life doesn't get any better.... Now 2004, I have a used $449.00 craftsman table saw that I still thoroughly enjoy, and that $2300 computer is darkening some corner in a land fill right now..... what I wouldn't give to has that $2300 in tools now, Funny what we are willing to spend money on. Just this past week I finally kicked sniff my first 2 computers to the curb to free up some real estate in the garage. A Commodore VIC20 bought in 1984 and a clone 286/12 bought in 1988. Paid $80 for the VIC at Toys R Us and had a loan for 3 years on the 286, it cost $3300. My present machine (I use AutoCAD daily for my livelihood) cost 1/3 of the 286. |
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NOW ya tell me !!!!!
Thats my life story, I hang onto stuff for decades and its just junk. But the minute I get rid of it, it becomes valuable......sheesh..... "Jerry Gilreath" wrote in message news:u0DLb.8051$nt4.13021@attbi_s51... Damn, have you seen the prices of the Vic20's and Commodore 64's at flea markets and things??? Collectors are paying a pretty penny for them. There's one or the other, I can't remember which, in the Smithsonian. I'm hanging on to both my Vic 20 and Commodore. -- "Cartoons don't have any deep meaning. They're just stupid drawings that give you a cheap laugh." Homer Simpson Jerry© The Phoneman® "Don" wrote in message ... "Rick Cox" wrote in message ink.net... I am a long time wreck lurker. and a recent post by Jim Laumann "A 'puter in the shop" got me thinking. In 1994 when I purchased my first house I wanted to buy a RAS to help with some of the fix ups needed. My father who lived close by talked me into getting a tablesaw because he already had a ras and said it would be nice to have both between us. So it was off to the local sears and I purchased a contractors table saw. I purchased the saw for $449.00 and I could not believe that I spent that much on something I didn't event know how to use. About a year later, my wife and I decided to purchase our first computer. I am a CAD tech and I did not want anything less than I was using at work at the time. So I went to the local computer shop and had one built to try to save money. I had to have that new HOTTT Pentium chip. I was really excited to get the Pentium 90 that ran so hot it needed its own fan. I paid $150 bucks extra to double the RAM to 16 megs, and I got a huge 15" svga monitor. Final price for that computer was $2300 but man was I styling......AOL at a whopping 14.bps ...... life doesn't get any better.... Now 2004, I have a used $449.00 craftsman table saw that I still thoroughly enjoy, and that $2300 computer is darkening some corner in a land fill right now..... what I wouldn't give to has that $2300 in tools now, Funny what we are willing to spend money on. Just this past week I finally kicked sniff my first 2 computers to the curb to free up some real estate in the garage. A Commodore VIC20 bought in 1984 and a clone 286/12 bought in 1988. Paid $80 for the VIC at Toys R Us and had a loan for 3 years on the 286, it cost $3300. My present machine (I use AutoCAD daily for my livelihood) cost 1/3 of the 286. |
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I can't remember which, in the Smithsonian. I'm hanging on
to both my Vic 20 and Commodore. The Univac I worked on (or one of its siblings) is in there too. I saw it there 20 years ago. Made me feel old then :-). Hmmmm - maybe this post belongs in the "getting old" thread. The knobs on the 360/50 in the Smithsonian are mine. I was up there a few years ago and noticed the ones they had were broken and a few were the wrong style. I talked to the guy who ran the exhibit and arranged to get him some authentic ones from my junk box. |
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Interesting thread. I've been posting in that other one, too, but what the
heck. It seems lately I've been indulging in both the computer AND woodworking purchasing arenas. I went from having a crapsman table saw and a few benchtop tools about 2 years ago, to having a Unisaw with 50" Bies, 3 routers, full-size drill press, bandsaw, 6" jointer, 12.5" planer, mortiser, scroll saw, OSS, etc. etc. etc. I don't think I'll be ALLOWED to buy any more tools for a LONG time. Good thing to know I won't need to hehe. As for the PC department. I remember how excited my dad was when he brought home the Commodore 64 - I can't remember what year that was, I was just a kid. But, I do remember starting about age 12 or so (probably when we got that thing), being the ONLY kid to turn in typed reports at school and I'm sure getting browny points for it. My friends would spend hours at my house playing games on our BLAZING 286. I remember playing games on 5.25" floppies, where you had to change discs about every 15 minutes (they came with like 15 or something). So, what do I do now? Just before Christmas I got the go ahead and bought a $3300 computer. P4 3.2 Ghz HT processor, 2 Gb of DDR400 memory, 500 Gb RAID 0 hard drive set up, 8x DVD R/RW drive, 48x CD-RW drive, 256 Mb Radeon 9800 XT video card, 6.1 THX capable sound card, surround sound speakers (for my PC!!), TV tuner card & software (who needs TiVO??), and a 20" LCD flatscreen monitor. The thing is, I still get impatient when I start the computer hehe. It only takes 8 seconds from the power button to the desktop. Oh how times have changed. Mike "Rick Cox" wrote in message ink.net... I am a long time wreck lurker. and a recent post by Jim Laumann "A 'puter in the shop" got me thinking. In 1994 when I purchased my first house I wanted to buy a RAS to help with some of the fix ups needed. My father who lived close by talked me into getting a tablesaw because he already had a ras and said it would be nice to have both between us. So it was off to the local sears and I purchased a contractors table saw. I purchased the saw for $449.00 and I could not believe that I spent that much on something I didn't event know how to use. About a year later, my wife and I decided to purchase our first computer. I am a CAD tech and I did not want anything less than I was using at work at the time. So I went to the local computer shop and had one built to try to save money. I had to have that new HOTTT Pentium chip. I was really excited to get the Pentium 90 that ran so hot it needed its own fan. I paid $150 bucks extra to double the RAM to 16 megs, and I got a huge 15" svga monitor. Final price for that computer was $2300 but man was I styling......AOL at a whopping 14.bps ...... life doesn't get any better.... Now 2004, I have a used $449.00 craftsman table saw that I still thoroughly enjoy, and that $2300 computer is darkening some corner in a land fill right now..... what I wouldn't give to has that $2300 in tools now, Funny what we are willing to spend money on. |
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"Who needs TiVo"
That is one thing I dont mind spending money on... TiVo and the New Yankee workshop.....Or.....Nahmie on my time...... Try it you will like it have a good day Rick |
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That was my point, now I can just pipe my cable signal into my computer and
use that to record my shows. I don't know how much TiVO runs, but the set-up I'm using can be had for about $50 (TV tuner card) and included software. Electronic programming guides can be found online for free (www.titantv.com). Plus, there's no monthly fees (something I'm assuming TiVO has, but I'm not sure). I can then burn the shows onto CDs or DVDs (if I want particularly high quality) and watch them on my TV via the DVD player. Or, just watch them on the computer. I think it kicks butt. Mike "Rick Cox" wrote in message gy.com... "Who needs TiVo" That is one thing I dont mind spending money on... TiVo and the New Yankee workshop.....Or.....Nahmie on my time...... Try it you will like it have a good day Rick |
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Mike in Mystic said:
That was my point, now I can just pipe my cable signal into my computer and use that to record my shows. I don't know how much TiVO runs, but the set-up I'm using can be had for about $50 (TV tuner card) and included software. Electronic programming guides can be found online for free (www.titantv.com). Plus, there's no monthly fees (something I'm assuming TiVO has, but I'm not sure). I can then burn the shows onto CDs or DVDs (if I want particularly high quality) and watch them on my TV via the DVD player. Or, just watch them on the computer. I think it kicks butt. I've been doing that very thing since 1996, when a decent video capture card cost $800. Guess what that card is worth now... I DO have the complete NYW on disk, however... g Greg G. |
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Hey greg,
Could you send me an email, I tried to reply directly to you, but it didn't work. Mike Greg G. wrote in message ... Mike in Mystic said: That was my point, now I can just pipe my cable signal into my computer and use that to record my shows. I don't know how much TiVO runs, but the set-up I'm using can be had for about $50 (TV tuner card) and included software. Electronic programming guides can be found online for free (www.titantv.com). Plus, there's no monthly fees (something I'm assuming TiVO has, but I'm not sure). I can then burn the shows onto CDs or DVDs (if I want particularly high quality) and watch them on my TV via the DVD player. Or, just watch them on the computer. I think it kicks butt. I've been doing that very thing since 1996, when a decent video capture card cost $800. Guess what that card is worth now... I DO have the complete NYW on disk, however... g Greg G. |
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Mike in Mystic wrote:
500 Gb RAID 0 hard drive set up My laptop & desktop each lost a hard drive in the past 12 months. Bummer reinstalling everything, and there were some things I didn't have backed up... sigh RAID 0 is "Striped Disk Array without Fault Tolerance." IMO this is too risky. My next desktop will be mirrored hard drives at a minimum. My $0.02 -- Mark |
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I thought about that, but at the moment my storage needs are pretty high.
I've only had this system for about a month and have used a full 200 Gb of storage space. I turn over a lot of space with multimedia work - I've gotten pretty involved in making home movies with my DV camcorder. Reinstalling stuff IS a bummer, but it really isn't that big a deal. I've done it many times, and it usually takes maybe 2-3 hours max. Not that big a deal, IMO. I routinely backup data to CD's, and now that I have the DVD writer, I've been using some DVD-RW discs (basically extra 4.3 Gb hard drives). I would bet I only have about 10-20 Gb of "critical" data that I need to make sure I don't lose. Plus I have access to network storage space (about 100 Gb for my personal use) that I can access from home, too. In all the years I've been using computers, I've only had one hard drive fail. Maybe I'm just lucky, but I think that the mfgs have gotten pretty good at quality control. The other big issue is that the RAID 1 arrays suffer pretty significantly in performance compared to the RAID 0 arrays. What's the point of having all the processor, memory and video performance if you handcuff it with a slow data storage/retrieval architecture? If this were business intensive and I couldn't handle a day of downtime, worst case, then I probably would do the same as you and go for the RAID 1, but then I'd probably go with a terabyte of total storage (500 Gb usable). Mike "Mark Jerde" wrote in message ... Mike in Mystic wrote: 500 Gb RAID 0 hard drive set up My laptop & desktop each lost a hard drive in the past 12 months. Bummer reinstalling everything, and there were some things I didn't have backed up... sigh RAID 0 is "Striped Disk Array without Fault Tolerance." IMO this is too risky. My next desktop will be mirrored hard drives at a minimum. My $0.02 -- Mark |
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Mike in Mystic wrote:
Reinstalling stuff IS a bummer, but it really isn't that big a deal. I've done it many times, and it usually takes maybe 2-3 hours max. Not that big a deal, IMO. To amplify... g installing the OS isn't bad. I've done it probably 200 times since Win3.x. It's everything else I use as a software developer that takes the install/config time. Starting with FDISK it's about a 1.75 day process. Office XP Developer, Visual Studio.NET, SQL Server 2000, ... This time around I didn't install Delphi, Visual Studio 6 or IBM's DB2 database. Hope I don't need 'em anymore. In all the years I've been using computers, I've only had one hard drive fail. Maybe I'm just lucky, but I think that the mfgs have gotten pretty good at quality control. I'd had good luck for years too then :-( two failures in a few months. The other big issue is that the RAID 1 arrays suffer pretty significantly in performance compared to the RAID 0 arrays. What's the point of having all the processor, memory and video performance if you handcuff it with a slow data storage/retrieval architecture? IIRC RAID 5 has performance and fault tolerance. More info here. http://www.acnc.com/raid.html brain fart You could leave your transient data on RAID 0 for max speed and have the OS and programs on mirrored (if you were concerned about fault tolerance). Especially on separate controllers that would be very fast. I've read of systems setup this way. /brain fart -- Mark |
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IIRC RAID 5 has performance and fault tolerance.
RAID 5 is what the big boys use. It has some overhead but if you spread the stripes across a lot of drives it isn't bad. This was crucial in AS/400s where the loss of one drive usually meant you lost all of them. |
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