I am building a Walnut desk for a customer and posted on a.b.p.w. two low
resolution pictures of the desk as it stands right now. I have attached a
PDF file drawn on Sketchup. Some of you have wondered about the resolution
of Sketchup. The print resolution comes out great when selecting ultra high
resolution.

So far the desk is partially assembled with only 28, 8mm x 50 mm Domino's
and their friction fit. I wanted to be sure that every thing lined up
correctly before gluing the pieces together. I'll also be treating the
edges and sanding a bit before the glue up. There will also be 2 upper
shelves that will set on top of the desk. The picture of the CAD drawing
and the attached PDF file will explain it all, so to speak.

Where is the PDF?

Joe.....
Website: www.srww.com
Blog: www.srww.com/blog

On Jun 20, 1:08*pm, "Leon" wrote:
I am building a Walnut desk for a customer and posted on a.b.p.w. two low
resolution pictures of the desk as it stands right now. I have attached a
PDF file drawn on Sketchup. *Some of you have wondered about the resolution
of Sketchup. *The print resolution comes out great when selecting ultra high
resolution.

So far the desk is partially assembled with only 28, 8mm x 50 mm Domino's
and their friction fit. *I wanted to be sure that every thing lined up
correctly before gluing the pieces together. *I'll also be treating the
edges and sanding a bit before the glue up. *There will also be 2 upper
shelves that will set on top of the desk. *The picture of the CAD drawing
and the attached PDF file will explain it all, so to speak.

"Chiefwoodworker" wrote in message
...
Where is the PDF?



Attached, you need to open the attachment.

"Leon" wrote in message
...

"Chiefwoodworker" wrote in message
...
Where is the PDF?



Attached, you need to open the attachment.

Didn't make it through.
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"Leon" wrote in message
...

"Chiefwoodworker" wrote in message
...
Where is the PDF?



Attached, you need to open the attachment.

Many (probably most) news servers delete binary attachments to this news group.
You can have binary attachments in a.b.p.w

"Chiefwoodworker" wrote
Where is the PDF?


In apbw (alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking), where folks in this newsgroup
post their binaries.

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"Swingman" wrote:

In apbw (alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking), where folks in this
newsgroup
post their binaries.


At least till 6/24/08.

Then where?

Lew

On Jun 20, 9:02 pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
"Swingman" wrote:
In apbw (alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking), where folks in this
newsgroup
post their binaries.

At least till 6/24/08.

Then where?

Lew

I would imagine a bunch of new free albums at your own webpage that is
free with some ISPs. Or free accounts at:

Photobucket
Flickr
ImageShack
ImageDepot
WebShots
PhotoLava
VillagePhotos
MyPhotoAlbum
ImageLoop
Snapfish
Tinypic
FreeImageHosting
ImageDeposit
ImageTrail

etc., etc.

Those are just a few of the hundred or so that are out there now.
Some of them will even let you post an MP3 or short video with sound
as well.

Where there is a will, there is a way. In this case, and easy way.

Robert

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message

"Swingman" wrote:

In apbw (alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking), where folks in this
newsgroup
post their binaries.

At least till 6/24/08.

Then where?

LOL! Hell, Lew ... as it stands now, you're gonna have to ask a Democrat to
answer that question for you.

"alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking" is not going away, Verizon is just
taking it away from YOU, while impinging upon your free speech by sucking up
to a misguided politician who is simply reflecting his party's leanings by
censoring YOU.

Get used to it ...

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KarlC@ (the obvious)

I wondered the same thing at first, as the jpegs were there and I could view
them automatically with Outlook Express.

In order to find and view the .pdf file, I had to right click on the paper
clip that OE uses to indicate that there are attachments and sure enough all
of the jpegs were there along with the .pdf file.

Hope this helps.

Peter.

"Chiefwoodworker" wrote in message
...
Where is the PDF?

Joe.....
Website: www.srww.com
Blog: www.srww.com/blog

On Jun 20, 1:08 pm, "Leon" wrote:
I am building a Walnut desk for a customer and posted on a.b.p.w. two low
resolution pictures of the desk as it stands right now. I have attached a
PDF file drawn on Sketchup. Some of you have wondered about the resolution
of Sketchup. The print resolution comes out great when selecting ultra
high
resolution.

So far the desk is partially assembled with only 28, 8mm x 50 mm Domino's
and their friction fit. I wanted to be sure that every thing lined up
correctly before gluing the pieces together. I'll also be treating the
edges and sanding a bit before the glue up. There will also be 2 upper
shelves that will set on top of the desk. The picture of the CAD drawing
and the attached PDF file will explain it all, so to speak.

"Swingman" wrote:


LOL! Hell, Lew ... as it stands now, you're gonna have to ask a
Democrat to
answer that question for you.

"alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking" is not going away, Verizon is
just
taking it away from YOU, while impinging upon your free speech by
sucking up
to a misguided politician who is simply reflecting his party's
leanings by
censoring YOU.

Easy there big fella.

As usual in todays modern business environment, it is the various
ISP's lawyers who are in control.

It is the ISP's way of avoiding litigation rather than any peverted
form of censorship.

Lew

"Lew Hodgett" wrote

It is the ISP's way of avoiding litigation rather than any peverted
form of censorship.

A real comforting thought there, Lew.


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"Swingman" wrote:

A real comforting thought there, Lew.

Lived in the corporate environment controlled by the legal department,
for too many years, not to recognize it.

As an example, had a company policy that required that any contact
with a competitor had to be documented.

Since I was in field sales, it was impossible not to come in contact
with a competitor.

My file was full of letters addressed to management that basically
took the following form:
================================================== ============
On date, met competitor name in a public restroom, located
location.

No business was discussed.

Signed: Lew

Date:today's date

================================================== ============

Kept the lawyers happy and documented you were doing something, so it
was NBD.


Lew

Lew Hodgett wrote:


Easy there big fella.

As usual in todays modern business environment, it is the various
ISP's lawyers who are in control.

It is the ISP's way of avoiding litigation rather than any peverted
form of censorship.

Lew



Exactly.

"The move is part of a groundbreaking agreement with the New York
attorney general, Andrew M. Cuomo".

"The agreements resulted from an eight-month investigation and sting
operation in which undercover agents from Mr. Cuomo’s office, posing as
subscribers, complained to Internet providers that they were allowing
child pornography to proliferate online, despite customer service
agreements that discouraged such activity. Verizon, for example, warns
its users that they risk losing their service if they transmit or
disseminate sexually exploitative images of children.

After the companies ignored the investigators’ complaints, the attorney
general’s office surfaced, threatening charges of fraud and deceptive
business practices. The companies agreed to cooperate and began weeks of
negotiations."

Source:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/10/ny...0internet.html

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA

"Nova" wrote

Exactly.

"The move is part of a groundbreaking agreement with the New York
attorney general, Andrew M. Cuomo".

Censorship, by any other name...

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KarlC@ (the obvious)

"Lew Hodgett" wrote

"Swingman" wrote:


LOL! Hell, Lew ... as it stands now, you're gonna have to ask a
Democrat to
answer that question for you.

"alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking" is not going away, Verizon is
just
taking it away from YOU, while impinging upon your free speech by
sucking up
to a misguided politician who is simply reflecting his party's
leanings by
censoring YOU.

Easy there big fella.

As usual in todays modern business environment, it is the various
ISP's lawyers who are in control.

It is the ISP's way of avoiding litigation rather than any peverted
form of censorship.

Damn hard to believe ... here you are, a victim of blatant censorship of
your use of an Internet protocol, a censorship _inarguably_ initiated by a
misguided politician demonstrably ignorant of the technology, and you're
looking to blame anyone else but.

No damn wonder these assholes get away with the **** they do.

Realize there "big fella", that you're getting exactly what you deserve.

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KarlC@ (the obvious)

"Swingman" wrote:

Damn hard to believe ... here you are, a victim of blatant
censorship of
your use of an Internet protocol, a censorship _inarguably_
initiated by a
misguided politician demonstrably ignorant of the technology, and
you're
looking to blame anyone else but.

NY State is in the "Law" business, not the "Technology" business.

The ISP's attempted to ignore the law and NY State determined it was
time to do the job they were hired to do, enforce the law.

Absolutely no censorship involved.

The ISP's made a business decision to withdraw services from the
market in order to comply with the law.

If the market chooses to penalize the ISPs for their business
decision, that is quite another matter.

Lew

Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Swingman" wrote:

Damn hard to believe ... here you are, a victim of blatant
censorship of
your use of an Internet protocol, a censorship _inarguably_
initiated by a
misguided politician demonstrably ignorant of the technology, and
you're
looking to blame anyone else but.

NY State is in the "Law" business, not the "Technology" business.

The ISP's attempted to ignore the law and NY State determined it was
time to do the job they were hired to do, enforce the law.

Absolutely no censorship involved.

The ISP's made a business decision to withdraw services from the
market in order to comply with the law.

If the market chooses to penalize the ISPs for their business
decision, that is quite another matter.

With what specific law were the complying and how is it that they are
the only ISPs to which this law applies?

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On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 19:55:41 GMT, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote:


It is the ISP's way of avoiding litigation

The #1 goal of nearly any corporate legal dept.


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** http://www.bburke.com/woodworking.html **
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote

NY State is in the "Law" business, not the "Technology" business.

More shallow thinking ... _responsible_ citizens/taxpayers would
expect/insist that regulators have an indepth understanding of what they
attempt to regulate.

The ISP's attempted to ignore the law and NY State determined it was
time to do the job they were hired to do, enforce the law.

LOL ... since you seem perfectly OK with NY telling _you_ what you can do,
you're certainly getting you deserve.

Absolutely no censorship involved.

Horse**** ... the bottom line is that "alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking",
along with 100 thousand other innocuous groups, is now "illegal" for you.
This is NO different from what China is doing ... picking and choosing what
you, as a citizen, can access.

That's _is_ indeed "censorship" my friend ... the fact that you're willing
to make excuses for it is appalling.

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The sad thing is that you can't stop child pornography from
proliferating. Every once in a while (usually election time) some
politician pulls a stunt like this under the guise of "think of the
children". Pedophiles used to trade photos and video tapes by snail
mail before they could do it on the internet. Today there are dozens
of underground, encrypted networks that use the internet for
transport. Even if you remove the internet you'll still have
pedophiles trading porn. If somebody really wanted to fix the problem
then they'd allow people to view any type of porn and heavily penalize
people who make kiddie porn. Having laws that make "seeing" something
illegal only serve to keep the problem hidden. In contrast, if it
weren't illegal to view, you would have plenty of citizen groups
looking at it and trying to identify the victims/perpetrators. There
might even be some effort to develop software that helps people filter
it before it gets accidentally downloaded. Then maybe some headway
could be made on the problem.

Child porn is also one of the few things you can possess, without your
knowledge, and end up being arrested for. The established premise has
always been that your instantly guilty. If someone were to put an
"illegal" photo on ABPW and you were to view it without knowing, it
can stay on your hard drive indefinitely and be recovered with
forensic tools. There have been dozens of cases where innocent people
were found or though to possess it. Like the article below:

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/reg...icleid=1101074

"Swingman" wrote:

More shallow thinking ... _responsible_ citizens/taxpayers would
expect/insist that regulators have an indepth understanding of what
they
attempt to regulate.

What makes you think NY State doesn't understand the problem?

LOL ... since you seem perfectly OK with NY telling _you_ what you
can do,
you're certainly getting you deserve.

NY State isn't telling anyone, especially me, what to do.

They simply made it plain they intended to enforce the law.

The ISPs are practicing what you call "censorship", by making the
business decision they chose.

Horse**** ... the bottom line is that
"alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking",
along with 100 thousand other innocuous groups, is now "illegal" for
you.
This is NO different from what China is doing ... picking and
choosing what
you, as a citizen, can access.

Not "Illegal", only not provided by the ISPs, they are simply
practicing CYA.

Don't like it, find an alternative.

That is what the free market is all about.

Lew




That's _is_ indeed "censorship" my friend ... the fact that you're
willing
to make excuses for it is appalling.

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"Lew Hodgett" wrote

Don't like it, find an alternative.

LOL ... that seems to be the very situation you're in. Contemplate the
spineless attitudes that makes it possible.

That is what the free market is all about.

"FREE"? ... sadly, the situation/strong arm tactics put lie to the very
word/concept.

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KarlC@ (the obvious)

"Swingman" wrote in
:


"Lew Hodgett" wrote

It is the ISP's way of avoiding litigation rather than any peverted
form of censorship.

A real comforting thought there, Lew.



One of the problems the ISPs face is called "Common Carrier" status. This
means they are held not liable for information transmitted across their
network, just as UPS is not responsible for the illegal drugs and guns they
unknowingly ship. The problem comes when the ISPs start censoring the
contents of newsgroups. At this point they have direct (and implied)
knowledge of the contents of the newsgroups and the traffic on their
networks, and can be held liable for these contents. The lose the Common
Carrier protected status. They could have done the right thing and kicked
the users of their networks off when they got the complaints, but instead
took the easy way out by killing the entire newsgroups.

"Smaug Ichorfang" wrote

One of the problems the ISPs face is called "Common Carrier" status. This
means they are held not liable for information transmitted across their
network, just as UPS is not responsible for the illegal drugs and guns
they
unknowingly ship. The problem comes when the ISPs start censoring the
contents of newsgroups. At this point they have direct (and implied)
knowledge of the contents of the newsgroups and the traffic on their
networks, and can be held liable for these contents. The lose the Common
Carrier protected status. They could have done the right thing and kicked
the users of their networks off when they got the complaints, but instead
took the easy way out by killing the entire newsgroups.

Thanks ... I'm very much aware of ALL the various issues involved. It is the
actions of an "elected" government official that I find particularly
loathsome, ill informed, and worthy of the stupidity evinced by the culture
we live in.

We're toast ...

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"Swingman" wrote in message
Thanks ... I'm very much aware of ALL the various issues involved. It is
the
actions of an "elected" government official that I find particularly
loathsome, ill informed, and worthy of the stupidity evinced by the
culture
we live in.

Exactly the same as the Mayor of Toronto, who has managed to convince his
council compadres to totally ban all licensed guns, manufacture of them and
all shooting ranges within the Toronto city limits. The end result being
that his ban will have absolutely no effect or deterrent on those people
using guns to commit crimes within the city limits.

His message to one local Olympic shooter and one local Paralympics shooter:
"Go find some other place to practice."

Yup, initially I voted for the guy and my only comment there is that
absolute power corrupts absolutely and that I feel like a fool now.