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OT Sink Hole in small Texas town east of Houston
It has made the national news now, a giant 500' x 600' x 150' deep sink hole
has formed inside a small Texas town. It is sucking up vehicles, buildings and trees. Arial camera views from a helicopter are perfect for viewing how ever, "business as usual" a member of congress has decided that he needs to spend more of the tax payers money to fly down and see for him self. Perhaps he plans to use all his hot air to reinflate the salt dome that is collapsing. http://www.click2houston.com/video/16211395/index.html |
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Leon wrote:
It has made the national news now, a giant 500' x 600' x 150' deep sink hole has formed inside a small Texas town. It is sucking up vehicles, buildings and trees. Arial camera views from a helicopter are perfect for viewing how ever, "business as usual" a member of congress has decided that he needs to spend more of the tax payers money to fly down and see for him self. Perhaps he plans to use all his hot air to reinflate the salt dome that is collapsing. http://www.click2houston.com/video/16211395/index.html Congress answer to everything, throw money at it and it will go away. Or instead of determining the problem, (Gas and Oil industry) tax their profits... How about allowing them to freakin DRILL!!!! God, I hate our government! Vote all the asses out!!!! -- "You can lead them to LINUX but you can't make them THINK" Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586 |
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Congress answer to everything, throw money at it and it will go away. Or instead of determining the problem, (Gas and Oil industry) tax their profits... How about allowing them to freakin DRILL!!!! God, I hate our government! Vote all the asses out!!!! We should start with the "asses" in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, which has effectively shut down exploration based on lawsuits filed by hysterical, psuedo-environmentalist. You can't get more "environmentally conscious" than most European countries on the North Sea, and they somehow manage to both drill, and appease their "environmentalist" in a manner that suits everyone. There are far too many close minded in this country. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 3/27/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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"evodawg" wrote Congress answer to everything, throw money at it and it will go away. Or instead of determining the problem, (Gas and Oil industry) tax their profits... How about allowing them to freakin DRILL!!!! God, I hate our government! Vote all the asses out!!!! We should start with the "asses" in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, which has effectively shut down exploration based on lawsuits filed by hysterical, psuedo-environmentalist. Oh do I agree with that. You can't get more "environmentally conscious" than most European countries on the North Sea, and they somehow manage to both drill, and appease their "environmentalist" in a manner that suits everyone. You saw that report to. Trying to remember where I heard this. Could it been Fox News? There are far too many close minded in this country. Understatement of the year! -- "You can lead them to LINUX but you can't make them THINK" Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586 |
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OT Sink Hole in small Texas town east of Houston
The Strategic Oil Reserve is oil that has already been pumped and is stored
in places along the Gulf of Mexico. -- Mike Watch for the bounce. If ya didn't see it, ya didn't feel it. If ya see it, it didn't go off. Old Air Force Munitions Saying IYAAYAS "evodawg" wrote in message news:mZ%Uj.1879$Uz2.1731@trnddc06... Swingman wrote: "evodawg" wrote Congress answer to everything, throw money at it and it will go away. Or instead of determining the problem, (Gas and Oil industry) tax their profits... How about allowing them to freakin DRILL!!!! God, I hate our government! Vote all the asses out!!!! We should start with the "asses" in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, which has effectively shut down exploration based on lawsuits filed by hysterical, psuedo-environmentalist. Oh do I agree with that. You can't get more "environmentally conscious" than most European countries on the North Sea, and they somehow manage to both drill, and appease their "environmentalist" in a manner that suits everyone. You saw that report to. Trying to remember where I heard this. Could it been Fox News? There are far too many close minded in this country. Understatement of the year! -- "You can lead them to LINUX but you can't make them THINK" Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586 |
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evodawg wrote:
Leon wrote: It has made the national news now, a giant 500' x 600' x 150' deep sink hole has formed inside a small Texas town. It is sucking up vehicles, buildings and trees. Arial camera views from a helicopter are perfect for viewing how ever, "business as usual" a member of congress has decided that he needs to spend more of the tax payers money to fly down and see for him self. Perhaps he plans to use all his hot air to reinflate the salt dome that is collapsing. http://www.click2houston.com/video/16211395/index.html Congress answer to everything, throw money at it and it will go away. Or instead of determining the problem, (Gas and Oil industry) tax their profits... How about allowing them to freakin DRILL!!!! God, I hate our government! Vote all the asses out!!!! Drill where? The only undrilled place in the US with proven reserve is the Strategic Oil Reserve, which is there in case of a survival-of-the-nation need such as WWII. Drilling there in the absence of such need (and keeping oil prices down for another few years is not such a need) is not a solution to any problem. The solution, which will take decades to implement, is to QUIT USING OIL. The utility industry had a _good_ start on it in the '60s, then the environmental whackos shut that down. The Navy the same but Congress was more interested in cutting purchase costs than life-cycle costs so that ended. -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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"J. Clarke" wrote in message ... evodawg wrote: Drill where? For starters, Colorado, The Gulf of Mexico the California coast line. The only undrilled place in the US with proven reserve is the Strategic Oil Reserve, which is there in case of a survival-of-the-nation need such as WWII. Drilling there in the absence of such need (and keeping oil prices down for another few years is not such a need) is not a solution to any problem. Oil can still be had from where we have drilled. The problem is that it is now unlawful to continue drilling/exploring there. The only reason we use OPEC is because their oil is easier to obtain. |
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"J. Clarke" wrote: Drill where? The only undrilled place in the US with proven reserve is the Strategic Oil Reserve, which is there in case of a survival-of-the-nation need such as WWII. Drilling there in the absence of such need (and keeping oil prices down for another few years is not such a need) is not a solution to any problem. The solution, which will take decades to implement, is to QUIT USING OIL. The utility industry had a _good_ start on it in the '60s, then the environmental whackos shut that down. The Navy the same but Congress was more interested in cutting purchase costs than life-cycle costs so that ended. If a way can be found to clean up coal, we will have gone a long way toward solving the energy problem. Lew |
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"J. Clarke" wrote in message ... evodawg wrote: Leon wrote: It has made the national news now, a giant 500' x 600' x 150' deep sink hole has formed inside a small Texas town. It is sucking up vehicles, buildings and trees. Arial camera views from a helicopter are perfect for viewing how ever, "business as usual" a member of congress has decided that he needs to spend more of the tax payers money to fly down and see for him self. Perhaps he plans to use all his hot air to reinflate the salt dome that is collapsing. http://www.click2houston.com/video/16211395/index.html Congress answer to everything, throw money at it and it will go away. Or instead of determining the problem, (Gas and Oil industry) tax their profits... How about allowing them to freakin DRILL!!!! God, I hate our government! Vote all the asses out!!!! Drill where? There's ANWR, an area the size of SC where they would create an oil field the size of NYC's Central Park and contains billions of barrels of oil. There's the Gulf Coastline, not drilling there is not going to prevent environmental risks, since Cuba is beginning drilling on their side. Offshore west coast. Develop the oil shale/sands in CO, WY, Dakotas. Additional fields in West Texas and Eastern New Mexico that were not economically viable at $30 a barrel oil but now seem cheap at $125 oil. Here's a quote from a decade old report: "During the 1970's and 80's, exploration effort focused on finding billion-barrel fields -- fields of less than several hundred million barrels were considered uneconomic at anything less than the inflated prices of the early 1980's. Only a few fields were discovered that fulfilled the apparent size requirements. However, today, accumulations as small as 50 million barrels are considered to be of economic interest." |
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Lee K wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message ... evodawg wrote: Leon wrote: It has made the national news now, a giant 500' x 600' x 150' deep sink hole has formed inside a small Texas town. It is sucking up vehicles, buildings and trees. Arial camera views from a helicopter are perfect for viewing how ever, "business as usual" a member of congress has decided that he needs to spend more of the tax payers money to fly down and see for him self. Perhaps he plans to use all his hot air to reinflate the salt dome that is collapsing. http://www.click2houston.com/video/16211395/index.html Congress answer to everything, throw money at it and it will go away. Or instead of determining the problem, (Gas and Oil industry) tax their profits... How about allowing them to freakin DRILL!!!! God, I hate our government! Vote all the asses out!!!! Drill where? There's ANWR, an area the size of SC where they would create an oil field the size of NYC's Central Park and contains billions of barrels of oil. Uh huh, they're going to solve the world's energy problems with an area the size of a rich guy's back yard. How long will "billions of barrels" last? There's the Gulf Coastline, not drilling there is not going to prevent environmental risks, since Cuba is beginning drilling on their side. In what "gulf" do you believe Cuba to be located? If you mean the Gulf of Mexico, when did they _stop_ drilling there? Offshore west coast. How much oil is there that has not already been tapped? Develop the oil shale/sands in CO, WY, Dakotas. This is not an issue of "drilling". Find out what it costs to extract oil from oil shale and you'll find that it's not economically feasible at this time. Additional fields in West Texas and Eastern New Mexico that were not economically viable at $30 a barrel oil but now seem cheap at $125 oil. What's preventing them from being used? Here's a quote from a decade old report: "During the 1970's and 80's, exploration effort focused on finding billion-barrel fields -- fields of less than several hundred million barrels were considered uneconomic at anything less than the inflated prices of the early 1980's. Only a few fields were discovered that fulfilled the apparent size requirements. However, today, accumulations as small as 50 million barrels are considered to be of economic interest." Yeah, but how long is 50 million barrels going to last? The message here is that we're scraping the bottom of the barrel, not that we're going to solve the problem with more diligent scraping. -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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On May 9, 8:55*pm, "J. Clarke" wrote:
This is not an issue of "drilling". *Find out what it costs to extract oil from oil shale and you'll find that it's not economically feasible at this time. Cite, please. |
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J. Clarke wrote:
Lee K wrote: "J. Clarke" wrote in message ... evodawg wrote: Leon wrote: It has made the national news now, a giant 500' x 600' x 150' deep sink hole has formed inside a small Texas town. It is sucking up vehicles, buildings and trees. Arial camera views from a helicopter are perfect for viewing how ever, "business as usual" a member of congress has decided that he needs to spend more of the tax payers money to fly down and see for him self. Perhaps he plans to use all his hot air to reinflate the salt dome that is collapsing. http://www.click2houston.com/video/16211395/index.html Congress answer to everything, throw money at it and it will go away. Or instead of determining the problem, (Gas and Oil industry) tax their profits... How about allowing them to freakin DRILL!!!! God, I hate our government! Vote all the asses out!!!! Drill where? There's ANWR, an area the size of SC where they would create an oil field the size of NYC's Central Park and contains billions of barrels of oil. Uh huh, they're going to solve the world's energy problems with an area the size of a rich guy's back yard. How long will "billions of barrels" last? Well, as an outside guess (since I didn't ask, I'm not going to google oil consumption statistics), I'd say a darn sight longer than 0 barrels of oil which is what we are getting from there now. Kind of like the original argument against drilling in ANWR about 10 years ago when the liberal senator made the comment that it would be 10 years before anything would come from drilling there. Guess what? It's 10 years later and we've now got NOTHING because of doofus arguments like that. There's the Gulf Coastline, not drilling there is not going to prevent environmental risks, since Cuba is beginning drilling on their side. To be more precise, China is drilling off the coast of Cuba. ... snip Here's a quote from a decade old report: "During the 1970's and 80's, exploration effort focused on finding billion-barrel fields -- fields of less than several hundred million barrels were considered uneconomic at anything less than the inflated prices of the early 1980's. Only a few fields were discovered that fulfilled the apparent size requirements. However, today, accumulations as small as 50 million barrels are considered to be of economic interest." Yeah, but how long is 50 million barrels going to last? The message here is that we're scraping the bottom of the barrel, not that we're going to solve the problem with more diligent scraping. No, the argument here is that small pockets of oil are economically feasible to develop now. -- If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough |
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"J. Clarke" wrote in message ... Lee K wrote: "J. Clarke" wrote in message ... evodawg wrote: Leon wrote: It has made the national news now, a giant 500' x 600' x 150' deep sink hole has formed inside a small Texas town. It is sucking up vehicles, buildings and trees. Arial camera views from a helicopter are perfect for viewing how ever, "business as usual" a member of congress has decided that he needs to spend more of the tax payers money to fly down and see for him self. Perhaps he plans to use all his hot air to reinflate the salt dome that is collapsing. http://www.click2houston.com/video/16211395/index.html Congress answer to everything, throw money at it and it will go away. Or instead of determining the problem, (Gas and Oil industry) tax their profits... How about allowing them to freakin DRILL!!!! God, I hate our government! Vote all the asses out!!!! Drill where? There's ANWR, an area the size of SC where they would create an oil field the size of NYC's Central Park and contains billions of barrels of oil. Uh huh, they're going to solve the world's energy problems with an area the size of a rich guy's back yard. How long will "billions of barrels" last? You said "Drill where" and there's an area. How long will billions of barrels last? Longer than not having our own billions of barrels. Drill there. There's the Gulf Coastline, not drilling there is not going to prevent environmental risks, since Cuba is beginning drilling on their side. In what "gulf" do you believe Cuba to be located? If you mean the Gulf of Mexico, when did they _stop_ drilling there? We're talking a huge expansion in drilling. Cubans are looking to develop these feilds with Chinese help. So, you're saying we shouldn't drill in the Gulf because Cuba is already doing it? Offshore west coast. How much oil is there that has not already been tapped? Who knows, since all exploration is outlawed. Again, this is in response to your "Drill where?" query. After all these options are proposed, and you reject them all, you'll then say "Why don't these oil companies do something?". Develop the oil shale/sands in CO, WY, Dakotas. This is not an issue of "drilling". Find out what it costs to extract oil from oil shale and you'll find that it's not economically feasible at this time. ??!! "Not economically feasible at this time"? OK, you said find out what it costs to extract oil from oil shale (and sands), so here it is: "The cost of a barrel of oil extracted from the shale ranges from as high as US$95 per barrel to as low US$12 per barrel. However it would be prudent to think that costs would be inline with those of the Tar sands and so an oil price in the US$30-40 per barrel range would be considered realistic for them to be profitable." It seems to me we need to develop these huge areas if only in our self interest to eliminate our dependence and vulnerability to mid-eastern politics and Venezuelan nut-jobs. Even if these areas prove to be more expensive, albeit marginally, they are OUR areas, and profits and jobs are HERE, taxes paid are into U.S. and state coffers, not some Sheik's. Additional fields in West Texas and Eastern New Mexico that were not economically viable at $30 a barrel oil but now seem cheap at $125 oil. What's preventing them from being used? The run-up to $125 has been so quick these areas are only now being developed. Here's a quote from a decade old report: "During the 1970's and 80's, exploration effort focused on finding billion-barrel fields -- fields of less than several hundred million barrels were considered uneconomic at anything less than the inflated prices of the early 1980's. Only a few fields were discovered that fulfilled the apparent size requirements. However, today, accumulations as small as 50 million barrels are considered to be of economic interest." Yeah, but how long is 50 million barrels going to last? The message here is that we're scraping the bottom of the barrel, not that we're going to solve the problem with more diligent scraping. Again, you say "Drill where" and when areas of potential are pointed out you immediately naysay. 50,000,000 barrels of oil at $125 a barrel is $6,250,000,000. Get a few areas, or a hundred areas of that size and you begin to talk about real money. Dollars that stay here. |
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"Lee K" writes:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message ... Drill where? There's ANWR, an area the size of SC where they would create an oil field the size of NYC's Central Park and contains billions of barrels of oil. So, let us analyze this a bit: ANWR is estimated to have between 5 and 15 BBBL of oil. The US uses 9MBBL of oil per day. So, if we drill ANWAR, we'll have covered 3 years of US consumption assuming 10BBBL recoverable. Is it worth the time, expense and effort to develop ANWR for that? (yes, I understand that they'll only be pumping maybe 100KBBL/day, so it lasts longer, but it makes little dent in the 9MBBL/day US consumption). There's the Gulf Coastline, not drilling there is not going to prevent There is plenty of drilling off the Gulf coastline, or haven't you been there recently? Offshore west coast. Very difficult to develop. There are estimates of up to 11BBBL of undiscovered oil in the federal offshore areas of CA, OR, WA. This is another three years worth at full bore, so here again, drilling the coast is only a stop-gap measure. Develop the oil shale/sands in CO, WY, Dakotas. Being done as we speak. Viability only because of high bbl price. Sure, all these areas will be economically viable for the oil companies to develop. They'll have little effect on either the price of oil, or the US consumption thereof. Note also that the Oil companies, for the most part, don't pay the spot market price for their crude; particularly on wholly owned fields. The production costs are a fraction of the spot market price, and the rest is pure profit, particularly for the companies who manage the entire chain from exploration, production, and refining to retail sales. scott (Last estimate I saw for production costs on a mature field were in the USD10-20 BBL range). |
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On May 9, 11:13*am, "Leon" wrote:
It has made the national news now, a giant 500' x 600' x 150' deep sink hole has formed inside a small Texas town. *It is sucking up vehicles, buildings and trees. *Arial camera views from a helicopter are perfect for viewing how ever, "business as usual" a member of congress has decided that he needs to spend more of the tax payers money to fly down and see for him self. Perhaps he plans to use all his hot air to reinflate the salt dome that is collapsing. http://www.click2houston.com/video/16211395/index.html Man-o-man. One of the loveliest towns in all of Ontario, Goderich, sits on many, many years of salt excavation. I'm not sure how much of the town is sitting on top of excavated salt, but...I think about it every time I spend some leisure time there. http://www.goderich.ca/ I think Lew has visited there. Isn't it nice? |
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"Robatoy" wrote: I think Lew has visited there. Isn't it nice? Been there, they even build a few boats there. Visitng those little shore side towns in Ontario is like taking a step back in time. When I visited, wqas reminded of the late 40's, early 50's in the states. Most enjoyable. Lew |
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"Leon" wrote in message news It has made the national news now, a giant 500' x 600' x 150' deep sink hole has formed inside a small Texas town. It is sucking up vehicles, buildings and trees. Arial camera views from a helicopter are perfect for viewing how ever, "business as usual" a member of congress has decided that he needs to spend more of the tax payers money to fly down and see for him self. Perhaps he plans to use all his hot air to reinflate the salt dome that is collapsing. http://www.click2houston.com/video/16211395/index.html On the news last night they said "officials don't know what is behind the sink hole" There's NOTHING behind it. If there was something behind it, the hole would not keep sinking. |
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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"Leon" wrote in message news It has made the national news now, a giant 500' x 600' x 150' deep sink hole has formed inside a small Texas town. It is sucking up vehicles, buildings and trees. Arial camera views from a helicopter are perfect for viewing how ever, "business as usual" a member of congress has decided that he needs to spend more of the tax payers money to fly down and see for him self. Perhaps he plans to use all his hot air to reinflate the salt dome that is collapsing. http://www.click2houston.com/video/16211395/index.html On the news last night they said "officials don't know what is behind the sink hole" There's NOTHING behind it. If there was something behind it, the hole would not keep sinking. rimshot -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On the news last night they said "officials don't know what is behind the sink hole" There's NOTHING behind it. If there was something behind it, the hole would not keep sinking. I have it on good authority that there have been black helicopters hovering near by before all this started. |
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"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote On the news last night they said "officials don't know what is behind the sink hole" There's NOTHING behind it. If there was something behind it, the hole would not keep sinking. Could it be that Leon has secretly completed his one-of-each Festool collection and the suckage is so hard that ... hmmmm? -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 3/27/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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"Swingman" wrote in message Could it be that Leon has secretly completed his one-of-each Festool collection and the suckage is so hard that ... hmmmm? Or else it's just a bottomless pit that's mirroring the bottomless pit of tool money that Leon seems to have. If I ever meet the guy, I'm gonna make sure he buys the food and beer. |
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"Swingman" wrote in message Could it be that Leon has secretly completed his one-of-each Festool collection and the suckage is so hard that ... hmmmm? Or else it's just a bottomless pit that's mirroring the bottomless pit of tool money that Leon seems to have. Leon's an exceptionally talented woodworker and obviously a financially prudent fellow, both of which, without doubt, have much to do with his tool buying acumen. If I ever meet the guy, I'm gonna make sure he buys the food and beer. IME, not a problem ... you will most likely have had to fight him for the privilege of paying -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 3/27/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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