Copper Sinks Are Hot!:

http://syubrawi.com/copper-kitchen-sinks,
Move over stainless steel and porcelain - copper is back and it’s
taking the kitchen & bath world by storm!

“Old World” materials have been gaining momentum for some time now.
The use of natural stone, wood and copper is replacing the “sterile”
look of stainless steel and porcelain – the standard in plumbing
showrooms for years.

What does copper have that stainless steel doesn’t? One reason is its
“living finish” that can be purchased in many different patinas. The
darker patinas are a perfect compliment to oil rubbed bronze hardware
and the natural stones such as granite that are becoming standard in
today’s designs.

Another appeal of copper is its “living finish” that evolves and
changes. This quality exudes a “lived in” look that seems to be a part
of the current design trend. A living finish is simply an oxidation
process that darkens the metal over time much like the way a penny
evolves as it gets older.

In fact, most copper sinks sold today already have a “weathered
copper” or darker finish due to the maintenance required to keep a
copper shiny. These darker finishes require very little maintenance –
just mild soap and water.

As a 20 year veteran of the plumbing industry, I have seen a lot of
trends. Today, homeowners seem drawn to unique products in their
kitchen and bath. This trend also includes an increase in the
popularity of natural stone and even wood sinks. Homeowners are using
the sink is a focal point in their design project and they don’t want
to see the same sink in their neighbors house.

Besides being functional works of art in their own right, copper has
some very practical qualities. Most copper sinks sold today are “hand
hammered”. This technique in combination with the natural living
finish quickly hides any scratches or dents that might occur with
regular use. Copper is a naturally hygienic metal and germs such as E-
coli cannot survive longer than a few hours on it’s surface.

The rise in sales of copper sinks has helped bring the costs down. It
has also created a vast array of choices which is welcomed by the
homeowners looking to install a unique design that reflects their own
personal sense of décor.

To see and read more visit :
http://syubrawi.com/copper-kitchen-sinks or http://the-kitchen-cabinets.blogspot.com

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 08:30:03 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

To see and read more visit :
http://syubrawi.com/copper-kitchenfkjad

Thanks, but where do I go to see less of such junk?
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On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:21:25 -0400, Kenneth
wrote:

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 08:30:03 -0700 (PDT),
Sum Dum Spammer wrote:

To see and read more visit :
http://Iamaspammer.com

Thanks, but where do I go to see less of such junk?

You could start by removing the spammers info if you really need to reply to
it..


mac

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In article , Kenneth wrote:
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 08:30:03 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

To see and read more visit :
[spam URL deleted]

Thanks, but where do I go to see less of such junk?

A good start would be for you to not re-post the spam messages, so that those
of us who are filtering them out won't see them. My filters suppressed the
original, but not your repost of it. Thanks a lot.

The next step is for you to learn how to use filters and killfiles so that you
won't see the junk either.

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On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 19:27:56 GMT, (Doug
Miller) wrote:


Hi Doug,

Your sarcasm aside, I am curious...

Why would your filter remove only the original, but not my
repost?

I had, by the way, munged it, but in haste, did it poorly.

All the best,
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On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 18:10:11 -0600, Dave Balderstone
wrote:

Because most intelligent people filter on message HEADERS and not
message CONTENT.

When you reposted the CONTENT you weren't posting with the spammers'
HEADERS.

Of course, now that we know what your headers look like, it's much
easier to kill your posts.

So stop replying to spam. All it does is **** people off who you
probably want reading your posts. Then they filter YOU.

Thanks Dave,

But you might consider switching to the decaf...

All the best,
--
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"Kenneth" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 18:10:11 -0600, Dave Balderstone
wrote:

Because most intelligent people filter on message HEADERS and not
message CONTENT.

When you reposted the CONTENT you weren't posting with the spammers'
HEADERS.

Of course, now that we know what your headers look like, it's much
easier to kill your posts.

So stop replying to spam. All it does is **** people off who you
probably want reading your posts. Then they filter YOU.

Thanks Dave,

But you might consider switching to the decaf...


It ain't his coffee.

It is the fact that it is a full time job to filter the crap out of this
newsgroup. And you go and reintroduce the crap back into it. In spite of our
best efforts.

What does that make you?

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:46:35 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
wrote:

What does that make you?

It makes me a person who made an error.

All the best,
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In article , Kenneth wrote:
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 19:27:56 GMT, (Doug
Miller) wrote:


Hi Doug,

Your sarcasm aside, I am curious...

Why would your filter remove only the original, but not my
repost?

Because my filter drops nearly everything that was posted through
GoogleGroups, with the exception of about a dozen people whose posts I've
explicitly decided I want to see.

The original spam came through Google. Your reposting of it didn't.

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In article , Kenneth wrote:
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:46:35 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
wrote:

What does that make you?

It makes me a person who made an error.

And if the error isn't repeated, then there's really no problem as far as I'm
concerned.

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t...
In article , Kenneth
wrote:
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:46:35 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
wrote:

What does that make you?

It makes me a person who made an error.

And if the error isn't repeated, then there's really no problem as far as
I'm
concerned.


Same here.

Comments about decaf to the persoN who pointed out the error are not
apprciated.

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:36:59 -0400, Kenneth
wrote:

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 18:10:11 -0600, Dave Balderstone
wrote:

Because most intelligent people filter on message HEADERS and not
message CONTENT.

When you reposted the CONTENT you weren't posting with the spammers'
HEADERS.

Of course, now that we know what your headers look like, it's much
easier to kill your posts.

So stop replying to spam. All it does is **** people off who you
probably want reading your posts. Then they filter YOU.

Thanks Dave,

But you might consider switching to the decaf...

All the best,

Also, a lot of filters or kill files are for people, and they might have the
spammer in the kill file, but not you...
So, when they read your post, they also get the spam..


mac

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 02:39:21 GMT, (Doug
Miller) wrote:


The original spam came through Google. Your reposting of it didn't.

Hi Doug

I hope that you are aware that I did not repost the original
message about which you have the concern.

All the best,
--
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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 02:39:21 GMT, (Doug
Miller) wrote:

The original spam came through Google. Your reposting of it didn't.

Hi again Doug,

My apologies, yet again...

I used the word "repost" when I should have said "response."

It was because I included nothing of the original message
that I was surprised by the tone of the responses I
received.

As I said earlier, I included nothing of the message about
which you, and others, had their concerns.

All the best,
--
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What a crock of ^Shi^T


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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:37:53 +0000 (UTC),
(Larry W) wrote:

What a crock of ^Shi^T

Hi Larry,

A spammer posted 390 words of advertising. It ended with the
line "To see and read more visit" followed by a link.

I responded with "Thanks, but where do I go to see less of
such junk?"

What is the crock of **** you are referring to?

Thanks,
--
Kenneth

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I use a text based newsreader on a unix shell session. In the original
spam posting, a lot of the non-plain-text formatting that was used (maybe
for underlining or italics?) results in the word or phrase being
shown in my news reader with a prefix of "^S" and a suffix of "^T".
That's why I spelled it that way, I did not mean to comment on anythin
but the original spam post.


--
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Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org

On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:22:51 +0000 (UTC),
(Larry W) wrote:

I use a text based newsreader on a unix shell session. In the original
spam posting, a lot of the non-plain-text formatting that was used (maybe
for underlining or italics?) results in the word or phrase being
shown in my news reader with a prefix of "^S" and a suffix of "^T".
That's why I spelled it that way, I did not mean to comment on anythin
but the original spam post.

Hi Larry,

Thanks for clarifying that...

I must be missing something about all this, but it seems to
me that you and I did essentially the same thing:

We each saw a post that bugged us. And we each commented on
our concerns about the post.

Neither of us included the offending message in our own
posts.

'seems fine to me...

All the best,
--
Kenneth

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In article , Kenneth wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 02:39:21 GMT, (Doug
Miller) wrote:


The original spam came through Google. Your reposting of it didn't.

Hi Doug

I hope that you are aware that I did not repost the original
message about which you have the concern.

You sure as hell did. Not all of it, and not intact, but you *did* repost it.
I would not have seen it at all, had you not done so.

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In article , Kenneth wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 02:39:21 GMT, (Doug
Miller) wrote:

The original spam came through Google. Your reposting of it didn't.

Hi again Doug,

My apologies, yet again...

I used the word "repost" when I should have said "response."

It was because I included nothing of the original message
that I was surprised by the tone of the responses I
received.

As I said earlier, I included nothing of the message about
which you, and others, had their concerns.

You still don't get it, do you?

Don't reply to spam. Don't repost spam. If you can't, or won't, learn to use
filters so that you don't see it, then just ignore it so that the rest of us
who *are* using filters will continue to not see it.

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In article , (Larry W) wrote:
What a crock of ^Shi^T

Suggest you examine some of the discussions that have been going on here
regarding how to filter out spam -- and specifically what to filter for -- so
that you won't see any more crocks.

Sheesh. Why do people feel compelled to respond to spam? For spammers, Usenet
is a write-only medium. They never come back to actually *read* the
complaints.

If you can't, or won't learn to filter out the garbage, then at least learn to
*ignore* it so that those of us who *are* using filters will continue to not
see it.

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:42:35 GMT, (Doug
Miller) wrote:

In article , Kenneth wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 02:39:21 GMT, (Doug
Miller) wrote:


The original spam came through Google. Your reposting of it didn't.

Hi Doug

I hope that you are aware that I did not repost the original
message about which you have the concern.

You sure as hell did. Not all of it, and not intact, but you *did* repost it.
I would not have seen it at all, had you not done so.

Hi Doug,

Here is my entire post:

=================

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 08:30:03 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

To see and read more visit :
http://syubrawi.com/copper-kitchenfkjad

Thanks, but where do I go to see less of such junk?
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===================


Can you please clarify for me what your concern is?

Sincere thanks,
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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:44:18 GMT, (Doug
Miller) wrote:

You still don't get it, do you?

Don't reply to spam. Don't repost spam. If you can't, or won't, learn to use
filters so that you don't see it, then just ignore it so that the rest of us
who *are* using filters will continue to not see it.

Hi again Doug,

You are certainly entitled to ask that I not reply to spam.

That is perfectly reasonable.

In addition, you are absolutely correct when you say that I
"still don't get it."

That failure may well be due to some limitation on my part,
but there is also the possibility that you have not
communicated well.

Either way, I do not understand why, if you filter by
header, seeing my post causes you to see the spam message
that you are trying to avoid.

I also do not understand why you have expressed this
objection to me, but not to the other two folks who have
commented on the original spam message (one of whom quoted
it in its entirety.)

If you care to explain any or all of that to me, I would be
appreciative.

All the best,
--
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In article , Kenneth wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:42:35 GMT, (Doug
Miller) wrote:

In article , Kenneth
wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 02:39:21 GMT, (Doug
Miller) wrote:


The original spam came through Google. Your reposting of it didn't.

Hi Doug

I hope that you are aware that I did not repost the original
message about which you have the concern.

You sure as hell did. Not all of it, and not intact, but you *did* repost it.
I would not have seen it at all, had you not done so.

Hi Doug,

Here is my entire post:

=================

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 08:30:03 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

To see and read more visit :
http://syubrawi.com/copper-kitchenfkjad

Thanks, but where do I go to see less of such junk?


Can you please clarify for me what your concern is?

For the THIRD TIME NOW, the problem is that I, and many others, have filters
set up to drop useless posts. Many of us never saw the original. But you
replied to it. And your reply got past the filters.

If you don't want to see spam, learn to use filters and killfiles. If you
can't, or won't, do that, then learn to ignore it.

If you can't, or won't, learn to ignore it, then be killfiled along with the
spammers.

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In article , Kenneth wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:44:18 GMT, (Doug
Miller) wrote:

You still don't get it, do you?

Don't reply to spam. Don't repost spam. If you can't, or won't, learn to use
filters so that you don't see it, then just ignore it so that the rest of us
who *are* using filters will continue to not see it.

Hi again Doug,

You are certainly entitled to ask that I not reply to spam.

That is perfectly reasonable.

In addition, you are absolutely correct when you say that I
"still don't get it."

That failure may well be due to some limitation on my part,
but there is also the possibility that you have not
communicated well.

There's a communication problem here, all right, but in addition to your other
misunderstandings, you fail to understand which end of the channel the problem
is on.

Either way, I do not understand why, if you filter by
header, seeing my post causes you to see the spam message
that you are trying to avoid.

I already told you exactly why that is. (Note comment above, regarding which
end of the communication channel has the problem.)

Here's the explanation for the second time:

Because my filter drops nearly everything that was posted through
GoogleGroups, with the exception of about a dozen people whose posts I've
explicitly decided I want to see.

The original spam came through Google. Your reposting of it didn't.

I also do not understand why you have expressed this
objection to me, but not to the other two folks who have
commented on the original spam message (one of whom quoted
it in its entirety.)

That's because you aren't reading very carefully. (Note comment above,
regarding which end of the communication channel has the problem.) I *have*
expressed the same objection to Larry. I haven't seen anyone reposting the
spam in its entirety, possibly because my filters dropped that too.

If you care to explain any or all of that to me, I would be
appreciative.

I have already explained it. More than once. (Note comment above, regarding
which end of the communication channel has the problem.)

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Hi Kenneth,

You sound like an ordinary, non-programmer type of guy (not a full time
Geek). If so, you probably need to communicate in Standard English... not
*Geek-ese* or tirades of snotty, un-helpful BS.

I looked at the "Properties and Details" of your posting. Are you using
Forte Agent 3.3/32.846 to read this newsgroup? If so, Agent 4.2 ( approx
$29) and upgrades are available for about $20.
http://www.forteinc.com/agent/support.php
Within Forte, there may be filters that can help you by using carefully
chosen keywords, and by adding bad email domainssources to a list so Forte
Agent will block out offending SPAMs.

If you are using Outlook Express (OE), a "good egg" in this group called
Swingman gave a constuctive suggestion. The same principles of blocking may
apply in a general way to Forte Agent:

------------
With OE the following two "News" rules catch 99.9% of it for me:
Got to TOOLS/MESSAGE RULES/NEWS on the menu bar and create two rules
Apply this rule after the message arrives

Where the From line contains 'watches' or '.cn' or 'china' or
'googlemail.com' or 'watchec.com' or 'chinese' or 'cheap' or 'sina.com'

Delete it

Apply this rule after the message arrives
Where the Subject line contains 'Fake' or 'watches' or 'shoes' or 'china' or
'tiffany' or 'cartier' or 'rolex' or 'POLO' or 'wholesale' or '****' or
'boobs' or 'penis' or 'viagra' or 'watch' or 'jeans' or 'sneaker'

Delete it
-----------

About snotty responses... ignore them... even KILLFILE (block) those
people. People like that are not going to help you work with wood or fight
SPAM. Snotty posters don't know/care who the real enemy is. Don't waste
time or electons by arguing with them or asking for help from them. They
won't give it.

Axel

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In article , Doug Miller
wrote:

If you can't, or won't learn to filter out the garbage, then at least learn to
*ignore* it so that those of us who *are* using filters will continue to not
see it.

I've started adding the responders to my kill-file too.

I'll do better than that: I'll add them to their own special section of the
TrollFilter, where everybody can see them. Frank Arthur is the "charter
member" of that section, but it looks like he may not be alone much longer.

Larry Wasserman gets a pass, though. He's a longtime regular here, with a long
history of posting useful woodworking content. It's going to take more than
just one or two such episodes before I put him in there too.

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:01:43 -0600, Dave Balderstone
wrote:

And the Klownhammer has gone dark. What a pity.

It really is!

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B A R R Y wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:01:43 -0600, Dave Balderstone
wrote:

And the Klownhammer has gone dark. What a pity.

It really is!

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---------------------------------------------

He is apparently still alive and dealing in bulk shellac reportedly
laced with heroin. Take a look at

http://swingleydev.com/archive/get.p...ubmit_thread=1

The heroin part may be exaggerated.

mahalo,
jo4hn

On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:36:35 -0700, jo4hn
wrote:


He is apparently still alive and dealing in bulk shellac reportedly
laced with heroin. Take a look at

http://swingleydev.com/archive/get.p...ubmit_thread=1

That's from 1999...

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