16 or 18 gauge nailer
Hi. I'm going to be installing some 3/4" poplar trim on 3/4" wood
backing and need some advice. I have both 16 and 18 gauge nailers. Because of the style of the trim, I'm going to have to nail pretty close to the edges, so I figure the 18 gauge is the best choice. We got the trim custom made and the wife will kill me if I split it. I have a 2 part question. First, if I go with the 18 gauge, would the 3/4" poplar just create a bunch of 18 gauge pretzels and second, since the brads are only 1.25", is 1/2" penetration into the backing enough? I guess the other question would be, if I go with the 16 gauge, is it likely to split the wood? Thanks. |
16 or 18 gauge nailer
Arbee wrote:
Hi. I'm going to be installing some 3/4" poplar trim on 3/4" wood backing and need some advice. I have both 16 and 18 gauge nailers. Because of the style of the trim, I'm going to have to nail pretty close to the edges, so I figure the 18 gauge is the best choice. We got the trim custom made and the wife will kill me if I split it. I have a 2 part question. First, if I go with the 18 gauge, would the 3/4" poplar just create a bunch of 18 gauge pretzels and second, since the brads are only 1.25", is 1/2" penetration into the backing enough? I guess the other question would be, if I go with the 16 gauge, is it likely to split the wood? Thanks. I've used 16 gauge nailer with poplar many times and don't recall ever splitting it. Might want to go with a longer nail. However using the heavier nail will cause more filling than the brad. Rich -- "You can lead them to LINUX but you can't make them THINK" |
16 or 18 gauge nailer
Arbee wrote:
Hi. I'm going to be installing some 3/4" poplar trim on 3/4" wood backing and need some advice. I have both 16 and 18 gauge nailers. Because of the style of the trim, I'm going to have to nail pretty close to the edges, so I figure the 18 gauge is the best choice. We got the trim custom made and the wife will kill me if I split it. Is this going to be edging? If so, have you considered just using glue and holding it in place with masking tape while the glue dries? I have a 2 part question. First, if I go with the 18 gauge, would the 3/4" poplar just create a bunch of 18 gauge pretzels and second, since the brads are only 1.25", is 1/2" penetration into the backing enough? I've used 18 gauge nailers with oak. Poplar will not be an issue. As for penetration...is there any way you can use longer brads? I guess the other question would be, if I go with the 16 gauge, is it likely to split the wood? Certainly more likely. Have you considered pre-drilling clearance holes in the trim and nailing by hand near the ends? Chris |
16 or 18 gauge nailer
"Arbee" wrote
I guess the other question would be, if I go with the 16 gauge, is it likely to split the wood? All else being equal, the higher the gauge the less likely you are to split your trim. However, if your trim is expensive/rare/in limited supply, why take the chance ... when close to an end, pre-drill and use small finishing nails. BTW, this is a perfect opportunity to add to your tool arsenal and buy a good 21ga pin nailer. ;) -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 3/27/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
16 or 18 gauge nailer
or...you could ..."use a few brads to hold it until the glue dries..." g
Skip www.ShopFileR.com "Chris Friesen" wrote in message ... Arbee wrote: Hi. I'm going to be installing some 3/4" poplar trim on 3/4" wood backing and need some advice. I have both 16 and 18 gauge nailers. Because of the style of the trim, I'm going to have to nail pretty close to the edges, so I figure the 18 gauge is the best choice. We got the trim custom made and the wife will kill me if I split it. Is this going to be edging? If so, have you considered just using glue and holding it in place with masking tape while the glue dries? I have a 2 part question. First, if I go with the 18 gauge, would the 3/4" poplar just create a bunch of 18 gauge pretzels and second, since the brads are only 1.25", is 1/2" penetration into the backing enough? I've used 18 gauge nailers with oak. Poplar will not be an issue. As for penetration...is there any way you can use longer brads? I guess the other question would be, if I go with the 16 gauge, is it likely to split the wood? Certainly more likely. Have you considered pre-drilling clearance holes in the trim and nailing by hand near the ends? Chris |
16 or 18 gauge nailer
On Apr 18, 11:14*am, Arbee wrote:
Hi. I'm going to be installing some 3/4" poplar trim on 3/4" wood backing and need some advice. I have both 16 and 18 gauge nailers. Because of the style of the trim, I'm going to have to nail pretty close to the edges, so I figure the 18 gauge is the best choice. We got the trim custom made and the wife will kill me if I split it. I have a 2 part question. First, if I go with the 18 gauge, would the 3/4" poplar just create a bunch of 18 gauge pretzels and second, since the brads are only 1.25", is 1/2" penetration into the backing enough? I guess the other question would be, if I go with the 16 gauge, is it likely to split the wood? Thanks. Arbee, I recently faced the same issue as you are facing. I attached about 40 feet of 3/4 poplar trim (run through my router table, so actually a little thinner than 3/4) using a 23 gauge pin nailer and glue. It worked perfectly. I picked up the pin nailer at Harbor Freight for about $15. That pinner will only shoot up to 1" pins, but that was enough to secure the molding until the glue dried. Kevin |
16 or 18 gauge nailer
On Apr 18, 11:22*am, evodawg wrote:
Arbee wrote: Hi. I'm going to be installing some 3/4" poplar trim on 3/4" wood backing and need some advice. I have both 16 and 18 gauge nailers. Because of the style of the trim, I'm going to have to nail pretty close to the edges, so I figure the 18 gauge is the best choice. We got the trim custom made and the wife will kill me if I split it. I have a 2 part question. First, if I go with the 18 gauge, would the 3/4" poplar just create a bunch of 18 gauge pretzels and second, since the brads are only 1.25", is 1/2" penetration into the backing enough? I guess the other question would be, if I go with the 16 gauge, is it likely to split the wood? Thanks. I've used 16 gauge nailer with poplar many times and don't recall ever splitting it. Might want to go with a longer nail. However using the heavier nail will cause more filling than the brad. Rich -- "You can lead them to LINUX but you can't make them THINK" There are some areas of this trim where I have plenty of room (at the top and bottom of these 4 ft pieces) and areas where I have to be closer to the edge. I think I'm going to use the long 16 gauge in those roomy areas and use the 18 in the tight spaces just for some reinforcement. Thanks all for your help. |
16 or 18 gauge nailer
Get your hands on some excess stock and try it both ways. Never hurts.
That way you get to develop your technique before you go "live". Pete Stanaitis ---------------- Arbee wrote: Hi. I'm going to be installing some 3/4" poplar trim on 3/4" wood backing and need some advice. I have both 16 and 18 gauge nailers. Because of the style of the trim, I'm going to have to nail pretty close to the edges, so I figure the 18 gauge is the best choice. We got the trim custom made and the wife will kill me if I split it. I have a 2 part question. First, if I go with the 18 gauge, would the 3/4" poplar just create a bunch of 18 gauge pretzels and second, since the brads are only 1.25", is 1/2" penetration into the backing enough? I guess the other question would be, if I go with the 16 gauge, is it likely to split the wood? Thanks. |
16 or 18 gauge nailer
On Apr 18, 10:31 am, "Swingman" wrote:
BTW, this is a perfect opportunity to add to your tool arsenal and buy a good 21ga pin nailer. ;) I am wondering, does the one you have in mind come in a nice black with gremlin green trim? ;^) Robert |
16 or 18 gauge nailer
wrote in message ... On Apr 18, 10:31 am, "Swingman" wrote: BTW, this is a perfect opportunity to add to your tool arsenal and buy a good 21ga pin nailer. ;) I am wondering, does the one you have in mind come in a nice black with gremlin green trim? ;^) Mine does, mine does, mine does. LOL... I have the Grex and it came with an assortment of every size pin that it will shoot in quantities of 1000 each. The gun has performed flawlessly and is fun to use. I think I have used and almost run out of 6 or 7 of the sizes. It shoots up to 1-3/8" and down to 3/8. It has no problem making a long pin disappear in hard wood but as you might suspect it can come out unexpectedly in weird grain. I never thought I would use it as much as I do. |
16 or 18 gauge nailer
wrote in message On Apr 18, 10:31 am, "Swingman" wrote: BTW, this is a perfect opportunity to add to your tool arsenal and buy a good 21ga pin nailer. ;) I am wondering, does the one you have in mind come in a nice black with gremlin green trim? ;^) Robert Nope ... that's Leon's, mine is Italian colored. :) An "Omer" -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 3/27/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
16 or 18 gauge nailer
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:22:50 GMT, evodawg wrote:
I have a 2 part question. First, if I go with the 18 gauge, would the 3/4" poplar just create a bunch of 18 gauge pretzels and second, since the brads are only 1.25", is 1/2" penetration into the backing enough? Poplar is pretty soft, use some glue and you'll be fine. I guess the other question would be, if I go with the 16 gauge, is it likely to split the wood? The smaller (diameter) fastener the better if you're concerned about splitting. Another thing to consider is that most pneumatic fasteners have a chisel point (not round). IMHO, you want to turn the gun so that the chisel point cuts through the grain instead of spreading the grain as it goes in. In thin stock I'll turn the gun so that the chisel point is perpendicular to the direction of the grain. This is a lesson learned from hanging miles of casing and applies to both pins and finish nails. YMMV Mike O. |
16 or 18 gauge nailer
"Arbee" wrote in message ... Hi. I'm going to be installing some 3/4" poplar trim on 3/4" wood backing and need some advice. I have both 16 and 18 gauge nailers. Because of the style of the trim, I'm going to have to nail pretty close to the edges, so I figure the 18 gauge is the best choice. We got the trim custom made and the wife will kill me if I split it. I have a 2 part question. First, if I go with the 18 gauge, would the 3/4" poplar just create a bunch of 18 gauge pretzels and second, since the brads are only 1.25", is 1/2" penetration into the backing enough? I guess the other question would be, if I go with the 16 gauge, is it likely to split the wood? Thanks. I would also like to recommend galvanized nails. |
16 or 18 gauge nailer
On Apr 18, 5:09 pm, "Leon" wrote:
Mine does, mine does, mine does. LOL... I shoulda known..... LMAO!! Robert |
16 or 18 gauge nailer
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16 or 18 gauge nailer
On Apr 18, 6:02 pm, "Swingman" wrote:
Nope ... that's Leon's, mine is Italian colored. :) An "Omer" I almost bit off on a cobalt blue (nope, not Lowe's, HF) when they had them a month or so ago for $!9.95 This was the advanced model, it shot pins as long as 1 1/4". :^) I put several people on to the HF brad nailers as they were so cheap that you could literally buy them, use them for a while then toss them. I bought about 5 or six of their larger 18 ga brad nailers about three years ago and gave them out as Christmas gifts. For $9.95, you got the nailer, a tiny bottle of oil, 250 1 1/4 brads, the air fitting, some teflon tape (4 inches!) and a tiny bottle brush which was liberated from each package to keep as a paint gun nozzle brush. All of them still work. One of them is in a high school shop now and has had thousands of brad shot through it. Go figure. I really like my Bostitch stuff a lot more, but I did use one of those for several days trimming out a house when I was waiting on a seal kit for my 2" Bostitch bradder. Not bad... not bad at all. Worth every cent and then some. I will have to be looking more and more at backup plans as now my Bostitch repair guy has pulled stakes and is gone. I will now have to wait for a couple of weeks to get parts from Bostitch when I need seal kits, triggers, etc. I have 7 different Bostitch guns, so I may be in some trouble when one of them dies. With a $65 bench fee and charges for all parts, some may not be worth fixing. Not that long ago, when I bought a couple of cases of nails, they would replace any soft parts a gun needed for nothing, and take it apart and install any hard parts I purchased from them for nothing. Those were the days.... Sitting here thinking about it, the hell of it all is that a HF backup gun costs less than the tune up kit of soft parts for the smaller guns. And for $5, I can get the HF store exchange warranty that lasts or a year on a new brad gun. Might have to think this through some more. Robert |
16 or 18 gauge nailer
wrote: I put several people on to the HF brad nailers as they were so cheap that you could literally buy them, use them for a while then toss them. I bought about 5 or six of their larger 18 ga brad nailers about three years ago and gave them out as Christmas gifts. For $9.95, you got the nailer, a tiny bottle of oil, 250 1 1/4 brads, the air fitting, some teflon tape (4 inches!) and a tiny bottle brush which was liberated from each package to keep as a paint gun nozzle brush. Sooner or later, Teflon tape will come back to bite you in the rear end. When you thread a fitting with tape into a coupling, little bits of tape get cut off, taken down stream where they will find an orifice and plug it. Much better to use Teflon paste, the plumber's friend. Goes on like pipe dope, seals like Teflon. Lew |
16 or 18 gauge nailer
On Apr 19, 1:33*am, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
wrote: I put several people on to the HF brad nailers as they were so cheap that you could literally buy them, use them for a while then toss them. *I bought about 5 or six of their larger 18 ga brad nailers about three years ago and gave them out as Christmas gifts. *For $9.95, you got the nailer, a tiny bottle of oil, 250 1 1/4 brads, the air fitting, some teflon tape (4 inches!) and a tiny bottle brush which was liberated from each package to keep as a paint gun nozzle brush. Sooner or later, Teflon tape will come back to bite you in the rear end. When you thread a fitting with tape into a coupling, little bits of tape get cut off, taken down stream where they will find an orifice and plug it. Then you're putting too much on and in the wrong place. Ever notice that rolls of teflon tape disappear? Like pencils? |
16 or 18 gauge nailer
On Apr 18, 6:09*pm, "Leon" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Apr 18, 10:31 am, "Swingman" wrote: BTW, this is a perfect opportunity to add to your tool arsenal and buy a good 21ga pin nailer. ;) I am wondering, does the one you have in mind come in a nice black with gremlin green trim? *;^) Mine does, mine does, mine does. *LOL... *I have the Grex and it came with an assortment of every size pin that it will shoot in quantities of 1000 each. *The gun has performed flawlessly and is fun to use. *I think I have used and almost run out of 6 or 7 of the sizes. *It shoots up to 1-3/8" and down to 3/8. *It has no problem making a long pin disappear in hard wood but as you might suspect it can come out unexpectedly in weird grain. *I never thought I would use it as much as I do. Psssst, Leon... did you see this thing? http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...es-4791441.jpg |
16 or 18 gauge nailer
"Robatoy" wrote: Then you're putting too much on and in the wrong place. Ever notice that rolls of teflon tape disappear? Like pencils? Not around here, especially in the refineries. It cost a customer a $10K emergency field service call to learn that lesson. Best stay with topsG These days, strictly a "Henry Home Owner" item. Lew .. |
16 or 18 gauge nailer
On Apr 19, 2:02*am, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote: Then you're putting too much on and in the wrong place. Ever notice that rolls of teflon tape disappear? Like pencils? Not around here, especially in the refineries. It cost a customer a $10K emergency field service call to learn that lesson. Best stay with topsG We were talking about air nailers, not instrument air. Best stay with topic. G |
16 or 18 gauge nailer
"Robatoy" wrote: We were talking about air nailers, not instrument air. This was an oil burner. Instrument air is a whole different world which is rapidly going away, thank heaven. Digital electronics have made 3-15 PSIG puff puff totally non competitive. Wait a minute, this was about Teflon tape. A little story aside. Way back when Teflon was first introduced, there was a technical paper written in French that needed to be translated into American English, Hired a local college professor to translate. Came back a few days later saying he was almost finished except for the word "Te-Fla". Not sure whether the chief engineer broke the news to him or not. Lew |
16 or 18 gauge nailer
"Robatoy" wrote in message ... On Apr 18, 6:09 pm, "Leon" wrote: wrote in message Psssst, Leon... did you see this thing? http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...es-4791441.jpg No! IE could not display the web page. |
16 or 18 gauge nailer
"Leon" wrote in message ... Psssst, Leon... did you see this thing? http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...es-4791441.jpg No! IE could not display the web page. If it weren't for the Toyota badging (not to mention the word "TOYOTA in the window) I would have guessed it to be the redesign of the Honda Ridgeline. Dave in Houston |
16 or 18 gauge nailer
"Leon" wrote "Robatoy" wrote in message Psssst, Leon... did you see this thing? http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...es-4791441.jpg No! IE could not display the web page. Consider yourself lucky indeed!! ;) -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 3/27/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
16 or 18 gauge nailer
On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 13:09:20 GMT, "NuWave Dave" wrote:
If it weren't for the Toyota badging (not to mention the word "TOYOTA in the window) I would have guessed it to be the redesign of the Honda Ridgeline. With a fat Aston Martin nose. G http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/picture-214_full-800x600.jpg --------------------------------------------- ** http://www.bburke.com/woodworking.html ** --------------------------------------------- |
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On Apr 19, 9:09*am, "NuWave Dave" wrote:
"Leon" wrote in message ... Psssst, Leon... did you see this thing? http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...ontent_landing... No! *IE could not display the web page. * * If it weren't for the Toyota badging (not to mention the word "TOYOTA in the window) I would have guessed it to be the redesign of the Honda Ridgeline. That is what I first thought it was. A Ridgeline on steroids. Nothing new under sun, I guess. Here's some samples of the high-beltline designs from Chrysler. 73 years ago! Not so much the nose as the side view. http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...rtCoupefvl.jpg And where did today's Malibu's nose come from? (btw, that's a 2001 S4 Bi-turbo) Even more pronounced is the fact that the newer Audis are being ripped off. Hell, even Nissan stole the TT outright. *******s. http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o.../pinstripe.jpg Don't get me started. |
16 or 18 gauge nailer
On Apr 19, 2:57*am, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote: We were talking about air nailers, not instrument air. This was an oil burner. Ah, any tiny orfice. A nailer? Not so much. *S* Instrument air is a whole different world which is rapidly going away, thank heaven. Digital electronics have made 3-15 PSIG puff puff totally non competitive. And much more accurate/reliable. That was already evident back in 1975 when I was involved with the installation of 4 Bentley Nevada systems on units 1-4 at Hearn GS Toronto. A lot of that was still analogue though. |
16 or 18 gauge nailer
Try this:
http://www.toyota.com/concept-vehicles/abat.html Leon wrote: "Robatoy" wrote in message ... On Apr 18, 6:09 pm, "Leon" wrote: wrote in message Psssst, Leon... did you see this thing? http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...es-4791441.jpg No! IE could not display the web page. |
16 or 18 gauge nailer
OK.. where did the nose on a Malibu come from ???
(I got a 2008) Robatoy wrote: And where did today's Malibu's nose come from? (btw, that's a 2001 S4 Bi-turbo) |
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