I just bought a course/extra course DMT 8" bench stone. However, on
the Extra course side there are two small holes drilled on the
sharpening surface in the plastic near each end! I have never seen
this before. Do you think this is a defect or is there some purpose
for it? I have purchased from this line before but never an extra
course and thought maybe it was for some purpose, because they are
very obvious and cleanly drilled. Any ideas?

Bob

To hang on a nail?

On 20 Nov 2003 08:15:24 -0800, (Bob) wrote:

I just bought a course/extra course DMT 8" bench stone. However, on
the Extra course side there are two small holes drilled on the
sharpening surface in the plastic near each end! I have never seen
this before. Do you think this is a defect or is there some purpose
for it? I have purchased from this line before but never an extra
course and thought maybe it was for some purpose, because they are
very obvious and cleanly drilled. Any ideas?

Bob

My wife spoke to the rep at DMT and apparently that is the way all new
stones will be. They are cutting costs by not filling in the holes
from the moulding process (from what I have gathered). The holes are
right smack dab on the face of the plate. I mean, how much money are
we talking about here?!? They claim it will not affect the performance
of the stone. But, I bought this one specifically to flatten my
waterstones on, now Ill have to flush each deep little hole out. Not
too big a deal true-- but wow what a weird way for them to cut costs!
They are probably going to have to field hundreds of calls on this
wasting more money than they save with the .0002 cents worth of
plastic. I am dumbfounded. Anyone here from DMT to shed more light on
this move? My recommendation- demote the the guy who came up with the
idea.
Bob

Lawrence A. Ramsey wrote in message . ..
To hang on a nail?

On 20 Nov 2003 08:15:24 -0800, (Bob) wrote:

I just bought a course/extra course DMT 8" bench stone. However, on
the Extra course side there are two small holes drilled on the
sharpening surface in the plastic near each end! I have never seen
this before. Do you think this is a defect or is there some purpose
for it? I have purchased from this line before but never an extra
course and thought maybe it was for some purpose, because they are
very obvious and cleanly drilled. Any ideas?

Bob

On 20 Nov 2003 08:15:24 -0800, (Bob) brought
forth from the murky depths:

I just bought a course/extra course DMT 8" bench stone. However, on

That's "Coarse", Bob.

the Extra course side there are two small holes drilled on the
sharpening surface in the plastic near each end! I have never seen
this before. Do you think this is a defect or is there some purpose
for it? I have purchased from this line before but never an extra
course and thought maybe it was for some purpose, because they are
very obvious and cleanly drilled. Any ideas?

After seeing your followup, I agree: Demote the turd who suggested
that to them. One doesn't leave flaws in a $60-$100 item on purpose.

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On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 04:03:51 GMT, Larry Jaques
scribbled

On 20 Nov 2003 08:15:24 -0800, (Bob) brought
forth from the murky depths:

I just bought a course/extra course DMT 8" bench stone. However, on

That's "Coarse", Bob.

No it's not. How many times do I have to remind you:

The correct spelling accepted in rec.woodworking for some words a
joiner, planner, scrapper, rabbit, tennon, hobbiest, course (not
fine), bisket, popular (Liriodendron tulipifera), cyprus (Taxodium
distichum), tounge & grove (tongue is a finishing oil), radio alarm
saw (tmLJ).

Luigi
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in reply address for real email address

Why? It won't affect the flattening in any way. Nor honing, unless the
tool is small enough to fall into the pit.

"Bob" wrote in message
om...
My wife spoke to the rep at DMT and apparently that is the way all new
stones will be. They are cutting costs by not filling in the holes
from the moulding process (from what I have gathered). The holes are
right smack dab on the face of the plate. I mean, how much money are
we talking about here?!? They claim it will not affect the performance
of the stone. But, I bought this one specifically to flatten my
waterstones on, now Ill have to flush each deep little hole out.

Luigi Zanasi wrote:

No it's not. How many times do I have to remind you:

The correct spelling accepted in rec.woodworking for some words a
joiner, planner, scrapper, rabbit, tennon, hobbiest, course (not

Nup. Got that wrong I think. Isn't it "tendon?"

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Well, I don't like holes in my sharpening stones so I'll buy someone
else's. Used to like DMT but then that was last year.


On 20 Nov 2003 17:18:45 -0800, (Bob) wrote:

My wife spoke to the rep at DMT and apparently that is the way all new
stones will be. They are cutting costs by not filling in the holes
from the moulding process (from what I have gathered). The holes are
right smack dab on the face of the plate. I mean, how much money are
we talking about here?!? They claim it will not affect the performance
of the stone. But, I bought this one specifically to flatten my
waterstones on, now Ill have to flush each deep little hole out. Not
too big a deal true-- but wow what a weird way for them to cut costs!
They are probably going to have to field hundreds of calls on this
wasting more money than they save with the .0002 cents worth of
plastic. I am dumbfounded. Anyone here from DMT to shed more light on
this move? My recommendation- demote the the guy who came up with the
idea.
Bob

Lawrence A. Ramsey wrote in message . ..
To hang on a nail?

On 20 Nov 2003 08:15:24 -0800, (Bob) wrote:

I just bought a course/extra course DMT 8" bench stone. However, on
the Extra course side there are two small holes drilled on the
sharpening surface in the plastic near each end! I have never seen
this before. Do you think this is a defect or is there some purpose
for it? I have purchased from this line before but never an extra
course and thought maybe it was for some purpose, because they are
very obvious and cleanly drilled. Any ideas?

Bob

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 23:09:15 -0800, Luigi Zanasi
brought forth from the murky depths:

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 04:03:51 GMT, Larry Jaques
scribbled

On 20 Nov 2003 08:15:24 -0800, (Bob) brought
forth from the murky depths:

I just bought a course/extra course DMT 8" bench stone. However, on

That's "Coarse", Bob.

No it's not. How many times do I have to remind you:

The correct spelling accepted in rec.woodworking for some words a
joiner, planner, scrapper, rabbit, tennon, hobbiest, course (not
fine), bisket, popular (Liriodendron tulipifera), cyprus (Taxodium
distichum), tounge & grove (tongue is a finishing oil), radio alarm
saw (tmLJ).

How quickly I forget! And Sylvie brought up another spelling
for tennnnon: tendon. Add that to the mizpeling FAQ, pleaze.


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"George" wrote in message ...
Why? It won't affect the flattening in any way. Nor honing, unless the
tool is small enough to fall into the pit.

Exactly. Awls and hooks come to mind.
And as I mentioned before, its extra work to flush out the slurry from
waterstones. I still just think its a very poorly thought out move on
their part. I no longer think of DMT as a company where quality
workmanship and innovation is all-important. These things are
expensive!


"Bob" wrote in message
om...
My wife spoke to the rep at DMT and apparently that is the way all new
stones will be. They are cutting costs by not filling in the holes
from the moulding process (from what I have gathered). The holes are
right smack dab on the face of the plate. I mean, how much money are
we talking about here?!? They claim it will not affect the performance
of the stone. But, I bought this one specifically to flatten my
waterstones on, now Ill have to flush each deep little hole out.

Seems those would fall off the metal grid anyway. Well, there's always some
reason for brand "B" over "A," so get a full metal plate for your hooks.
I've never given an awl more than a quick trip across a concrete slab to
sharpen it.

"Bob" wrote in message
om...
"George" wrote in message
...
Why? It won't affect the flattening in any way. Nor honing, unless the
tool is small enough to fall into the pit.

Exactly. Awls and hooks come to mind.
And as I mentioned before, its extra work to flush out the slurry from
waterstones. I still just think its a very poorly thought out move on
their part.

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:19:42 -0500, "George"
wrote:

I've never given an awl more than a quick trip across a concrete slab to
sharpen it.

Ye've brought up a memory, George.

Of my Grandfather, who, when presented with what was, to him, an
inadequately sharpened carving knife, would go to the front stoop,
and, picking out the most deformed red brick of the bunch ("It's the
rounded one's that does the best for ya, Tommy.") would proceed to wet
said brick with water (or, if no one was looking, with spit) and apply
the knife edge to the stone.

The knife got remarkably sharp.

I believe that the spit was washed off.

Though I am not sure.


Regards, Tom
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:06:03 -0500, Silvan
scribbled

Luigi Zanasi wrote:

No it's not. How many times do I have to remind you:

The correct spelling accepted in rec.woodworking for some words a
joiner, planner, scrapper, rabbit, tennon, hobbiest, course (not

Nup. Got that wrong I think. Isn't it "tendon?"

Nope. You're wrong. DAGS. Tennon is much more commonly used. OK, since
C-less piped in too, that makes two of you wrong. :-)

Looking at another of your posts, I realized I need to add "wracking"
to the list. :-)

Luigi
Replace "no" with "yk" for real email address

Only works well with common brick, though. Spit runs right off a vitrified
surface....

"Tom Watson" wrote in message
...
Of my Grandfather, who, when presented with what was, to him, an
inadequately sharpened carving knife, would go to the front stoop,
and, picking out the most deformed red brick of the bunch ("It's the
rounded one's that does the best for ya, Tommy.") would proceed to wet
said brick with water (or, if no one was looking, with spit) and apply
the knife edge to the stone.

The knife got remarkably sharp.

I believe that the spit was washed off.

Though I am not sure.

Luigi Zanasi wrote:

Looking at another of your posts, I realized I need to add "wracking"
to the list. :-)

And "cheep".

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Buffalo, NY - USA
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Nova wrote:

Luigi Zanasi wrote:

Looking at another of your posts, I realized I need to add "wracking"
to the list. :-)

And "cheep".

I'll give everybody cheep, as in cheeeeeeeeep or cheep cheep cheep... That
dates back to the Maximum Drift BBS, about 14 million years ago.

I don't quite get "wracking" though. When have I said that?

I spelled "definately" that way for years and years before somebody pointed
it out to me, so if I'm saying "wracking" by accident in some context,
point it out and I'll try to stop it. My ideal is to keep my improper
spellings a conscious choice for humorous effect, not to look like a
dunderhead who can't splee.

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Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

Wrack means to cause the destruction of. As applied to woodworking,
diagonal stress which destroys right angle joints. Now you may argue that
putting your bookcase on the rack would tear it apart, but others would
remind you of an idiomatic usage meaning to get your balls together....

"Silvan" wrote in message
...
Nova wrote:

Luigi Zanasi wrote:

Looking at another of your posts, I realized I need to add "wracking"
to the list. :-)

And "cheep".

I'll give everybody cheep, as in cheeeeeeeeep or cheep cheep cheep...
That
dates back to the Maximum Drift BBS, about 14 million years ago.

I don't quite get "wracking" though. When have I said that?

I spelled "definately" that way for years and years before somebody
pointed
it out to me, so if I'm saying "wracking" by accident in some context,
point it out and I'll try to stop it. My ideal is to keep my improper
spellings a conscious choice for humorous effect, not to look like a
dunderhead who can't splee.

--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 12:54:13 -0500, "George"
wrote:

Wrack means to cause the destruction of. As applied to woodworking,
diagonal stress which destroys right angle joints. Now you may argue that
putting your bookcase on the rack would tear it apart, but others would
remind you of an idiomatic usage meaning to get your balls together....


It is interesting to note ( tho perhaps not) that the that Old English
form of "Wreck' was "Wrack."

Although current usage suggests that we may "Rack our brains", it's
antecedent still allows us to be called "The Wrack."

Which is sometimes fitting, or so I think.




Regards, Tom
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:05:18 -0500, Silvan
scribbled

Nova wrote:

Luigi Zanasi wrote:

Looking at another of your posts, I realized I need to add "wracking"
to the list. :-)

And "cheep".

I'll give everybody cheep, as in cheeeeeeeeep or cheep cheep cheep... That
dates back to the Maximum Drift BBS, about 14 million years ago.

I don't quite get "wracking" though. When have I said that?

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=wr...num=1&filter=0

But you're in good company with Charlie Self & Tom Watson (who have
spelled it both ways). DAGS. I believe "nerve-wracking" is a correct
variant, but to refer to something as out of square or twisted, or the
forces that do that is "racking".

I spelled "definately" that way for years and years before somebody pointed
it out to me, so if I'm saying "wracking" by accident in some context,
point it out and I'll try to stop it. My ideal is to keep my improper
spellings a conscious choice for humorous effect, not to look like a
dunderhead who can't splee.

At first, I thought the "wracking" spelling was wrong, but given all
the other posts, I am starting to have doubts. My Shorter Oxford is of
no help. The full page of definitions for "rack" does not once mention
twisting. Neither do the definitions of "wrack". My theory is that the
WWing use of racking is related to rack, as in torture implement, as
opposed to wrack/rack/wreck implying destruction. But who knows.

Luigi
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wrack1

wrack also rack (rak) noun


1. Destruction or ruin.

2. A remnant or vestige of something destroyed.




[Middle English, from Old English wræc, punishment (influenced by Middle
Dutch wrak, shipwreck).]

Luigi Zanasi wrote:

But you're in good company with Charlie Self & Tom Watson (who have
spelled it both ways). DAGS. I believe "nerve-wracking" is a correct
variant, but to refer to something as out of square or twisted, or the
forces that do that is "racking".

Hmmm... flips through various dictionaries

Touché.

I wonder where I got the idea that it was "wracking?"

Oh well, I'll try to behave.

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Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

wrack1 (rak), n.
1. wreck or wreckage.
2. damage or destruction: wrack and ruin.
3. a trace of something destroyed: leaving not a wrack behind.
4. seaweed or other vegetation cast on the shore.
–v.t.
5. to wreck: He wracked his car up on the river road.
[bef. 900; ME wrak (n.), OE wræc vengeance, misery, akin to wracu
vengeance, misery, wrecan to WREAK]

wrack2 (rak), n., v.i.
rack4.

I wonder where I got the idea that it was "wracking?"

Oh well, I'll try to behave.