I've found a few Stanley Baily planes (#3 and #4 - Type 16 i believe),
and I'm going to clean them up.

I understand that many collectors are against refinishing the original
japaning. However one planes japaning is flaking off and has exposed
metal where there shouldn't be any exposed.

What is the thoughts on redoing the finish on a plane at this point
and how does it affect it from a collectors eye (I understand that
these are fairly common, however I've stared the restoration and find
it fun and may continue a real collection).

yugami wrote in news:8fe28eea-e528-45a9-a34e-
:

I've found a few Stanley Baily planes (#3 and #4 - Type 16 i believe),
and I'm going to clean them up.

I understand that many collectors are against refinishing the original
japaning. However one planes japaning is flaking off and has exposed
metal where there shouldn't be any exposed.

What is the thoughts on redoing the finish on a plane at this point
and how does it affect it from a collectors eye (I understand that
these are fairly common, however I've stared the restoration and find
it fun and may continue a real collection).


You are correct in that most collectors find refurbished planes to be of
little value....but I think you're talking about an everyday user so its
most likely not "collectable" any way...

There are recipes on the internet for japaning a plane...but personally
if its a plane I am tuning up to use, I will just get a can of rustoleum
( color of your choice ( I like Hunter Green )) and have at
it...painting anything I don't want rusting...

They are fun to tune and use...you may want to upgrade the blade as
well...it really does make a difference in how the plane cuts..

Have a good time hope this helps...

DCH

On Jan 5, 11:27 pm, DCH wrote:
yugami wrote in news:8fe28eea-e528-45a9-a34e-
:

I've found a few Stanley Baily planes (#3 and #4 - Type 16 i believe),
and I'm going to clean them up.

You are correct in that most collectors find refurbished planes to be of
little value....but I think you're talking about an everyday user so its
most likely not "collectable" any way...

I noticed on a sellers site linked from "The Electric Neanderthal"
that the going rate for a #4 Stanley in decent shape of my vintage
seemed to be about 90-100 USD. Is this really?

Makes me glad I only paid 38 shipped for mine. Had to derust it a
tiny bit, but not so you'd notice.

Yugami,

I've restored several old planes for my use. I like them to look
good, but I'm not trying to maintain their "value" for future
collectors.

There are formulas out there for re-japanning planes. Lot of work, in
my opinion.

The suggested Rustoleum paint is another route. Looks good and stops
rust.

I decided to walk the middle line. I clean the plane well, usually
using citric acid, then "restore" the missing japaning with black shoe
polish. The liquid type that is meant to cover scuffs. The paste wax
doesn't have enuf dye in it. I put on a couple of coats, let it dry,
polish it with a brush, then add more clear wax when I do my final
waxing of the plane. Looks "appropriate" to the age and condition of
the plane, and seems to hold up.

If you are interested in restoring old tools you might enjoy the "Old
tools" listserv. Lots of good information and experience on cleaning,
restoring and using hand tools. I can't get the site without loosing
the message, so I'll add it as an add-on to this thread. I've learned
a lot.

Just a little grease, and a gentle push down the slippery slope of
tool coll-- coll-- that is using.

Old Guy
Who was able to feed his sawdust addiction yesterday due to clement
weather




On Jan 5, 10:18*pm, yugami wrote:
I've found a few Stanley Baily planes (#3 and #4 - Type 16 i believe),
and I'm going to clean them up.

I understand that many collectors are against refinishing the original
japaning. *However one planes japaning is flaking off and has exposed
metal where there shouldn't be any exposed.

What is the thoughts on redoing the finish on a plane at this point
and how does it affect it from a collectors eye (I understand that
these are fairly common, however I've stared the restoration and find
it fun and may continue a real collection).

Yugami,

The Old Tools (Galoots) list serv can be reached at

http://ruckus.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools

(For some reasons this doesn't show as a link.)

I suggest you try it. There's a lot of information in the archive
messages about plane restoration.

You will find that you are among quite a collection of gentlemen if
you participate. And then there's the rest of us.

Old Guy


On Jan 6, 7:23*am, Old Guy wrote:
Yugami,

I've restored several old planes for my use. *I like them to look
good, but I'm not trying to maintain their "value" for future
collectors.

There are formulas out there for re-japanning planes. *Lot of work, in
my opinion.

The suggested Rustoleum paint is another route. *Looks good and stops
rust.

I decided to walk the middle line. *I clean the plane well, usually
using citric acid, then "restore" the missing japaning with black shoe
polish. *The liquid type that is meant to cover scuffs. *The paste wax
doesn't have enuf dye in it. *I put on a couple of coats, let it dry,
polish it with a *brush, then add more clear wax when I do my final
waxing of the plane. *Looks "appropriate" to the age and condition of
the plane, and seems to hold up.

If you are interested in restoring old tools you might enjoy the "Old
tools" listserv. *Lots of good information and experience on cleaning,
restoring and using hand tools. *I can't get the site without loosing
the message, so I'll add it as an add-on to this thread. *I've learned
a lot.

Just a little grease, and a gentle push down the slippery slope of
tool coll-- coll-- that is using.

Old Guy
Who was able to feed his sawdust addiction yesterday due to clement
weather

On Jan 5, 10:18*pm, yugami wrote:



I've found a few Stanley Baily planes (#3 and #4 - Type 16 i believe),
and I'm going to clean them up.

I understand that many collectors are against refinishing the original
japaning. *However one planes japaning is flaking off and has exposed
metal where there shouldn't be any exposed.

What is the thoughts on redoing the finish on a plane at this point
and how does it affect it from a collectors eye (I understand that
these are fairly common, however I've stared the restoration and find
it fun and may continue a real collection).- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

http://www.cianperez.com:80/Wood/Woo...DEX_How_To.htm

Right-hand side of the page, a little more than half-way down: two
discussions of japanning.

Good luck,
Tom Dacon

"yugami" wrote in message
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I've found a few Stanley Baily planes (#3 and #4 - Type 16 i believe),
and I'm going to clean them up.

I understand that many collectors are against refinishing the original
japaning. However one planes japaning is flaking off and has exposed
metal where there shouldn't be any exposed.

What is the thoughts on redoing the finish on a plane at this point
and how does it affect it from a collectors eye (I understand that
these are fairly common, however I've stared the restoration and find
it fun and may continue a real collection).

Thanks to all.

I think for this one I'll go the rustoleum route, as this #4 is going
to be in my tools for working. I'll look into more one collecting
later.

Thanks for all the pointers and info.

I had the same problem recently, for a plane that was my fathers, and
still gets a LOT of daily use. I got a can of the epoxy "Alumihyde)
(sp??) from Brownells, the gun supply outfit. I was using it for some
gunsmithing projects -- aluminum ejector housing on a Ruger revolver
that I was working on. It sticks to most anything. Nice semi-matte
finish. I've used it on quite a number of tools. Just my 2 cents...

In article ,
yugami wrote:
I've found a few Stanley Baily planes (#3 and #4 - Type 16 i believe),
and I'm going to clean them up.

I understand that many collectors are against refinishing the original
japaning. However one planes japaning is flaking off and has exposed
metal where there shouldn't be any exposed.

What is the thoughts on redoing the finish on a plane at this point
and how does it affect it from a collectors eye (I understand that
these are fairly common, however I've stared the restoration and find
it fun and may continue a real collection).

If you want to maintain the maximum collector value of a plane (or most
any antique) then all the advice I have seen says to not do anything
to the finish other than clean what is there.

However, if you are planning on keeping the plane as a "user" without
caring about collecter value (and a common Bailey #3 or 4 would not have
much value to a collector anyway) then you can do what you want.
I like to clean up, derust, and finish my user planes. I have found that
rustoleum machinery black is looks pretty good and is difficult to
distinguish from the factory finish.

--
Better to be stuck up in a tree than tied to one.

Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar.org