Anyone ever made a rounder plane ?

I need something a bit like this
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...ry=14 61&rd=1
but I'm too mean to pay collector prices for one, and I also have lots
of old 2" Stanley plane irons hanging around, after upgrading to
better ones.

Any advice ? What sort of geometry do I want in this thing ? Do I
really need a tapered hole through it, and what's the best way to make
one ?

Plane irons have one slot, not two. Can I use this alone, or will the
blade tend to rotate ? Should I cut a second slot ?

The intention is to put round tenons on narrow spindles for a chair.
Not quite a Windsor, but a similar idea.

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Andy Dingley wrote:

The intention is to put round tenons on narrow spindles for a chair.
Not quite a Windsor, but a similar idea.

You could do this with a jig for a table saw or router. Or is this just an
excuse for another plane? eg

-- Mark

Looks like a big pencil sharpener.

An alternative to the second slot would be a second screw further up the
slot - make the screw small and use a big washer/plate to hold down the iron
so you don't lose the ability to vary the angle of the iron.

I think that the tapered hole would help in centering which is important as
you want it centered on the spindle. However, maybe a constant diameter hole
would work. Buy a cheap pencil sharpener with a removable blade(most art
supply stores would have one for cheap) and take a look at it for the
geometry. Maybe even try drilling a constant diameter hole and see what
happens when you use it.

If you want a shoulder at the tenon I'd consider fixing another blade
perpendicular to the main iron (could be as simple as a single blade razor
or utility knife blade) which would cut the shoulder and prevent tearout.

Good luck. It sounds like fun.

-Jack



"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
...
Anyone ever made a rounder plane ?

I need something a bit like this

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...ry=14 61&rd=1
but I'm too mean to pay collector prices for one, and I also have lots
of old 2" Stanley plane irons hanging around, after upgrading to
better ones.

Any advice ? What sort of geometry do I want in this thing ? Do I
really need a tapered hole through it, and what's the best way to make
one ?

Plane irons have one slot, not two. Can I use this alone, or will the
blade tend to rotate ? Should I cut a second slot ?

The intention is to put round tenons on narrow spindles for a chair.
Not quite a Windsor, but a similar idea.

--
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Greetings and Salutations...
Or...look at this as an excuse to go out and
buy a nice, new lathe! Woodcraft has the Jet MiniLathe
on sale for $199 or so just now (getting rid of old
stock in anticipation of the NEW models).
In any case, a lathe would be handy to have
if one is going to be making spindles for chairs,
as well as OTHER projects.
Regards
Dave Mundt

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:57:05 GMT, (Dave Mundt) wrote:

Or...look at this as an excuse to go out and
buy a nice, new lathe!

Thought about that. I'm not a turner, but I bought my Dad this lathe
a couple of Xmases ago
http://www.axminster.co.uk/default.asp?part=CCL

But now wish I'd got him this one
http://www.axminster.co.uk/default.asp?part=CCBL

The smaller lathe is just that bit too short to turn chair spindles
(840mm instead of 1100mm).

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Greetings and Salutations...
Sigh...I suppose if I had paid ANY attention
to your ISP, I would have realized you were NOT
anywhere near a WoodCraft store (which is an
American Franchise chain). Sorry about that.

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 22:09:54 +0100, Andy Dingley
wrote:

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:57:05 GMT, (Dave Mundt) wrote:

Or...look at this as an excuse to go out and
buy a nice, new lathe!

Thought about that. I'm not a turner, but I bought my Dad this lathe

Haw! Neither was I for a lot of years. Then, I
borrowed a small lathe for a project, and, got addicted.
As a woodworker, I was REALLY good at making flat things....but
being able to make round things really expanded my horizons.
Also, while it might be considered to be a problem, it also
changes one's view of wood. Stuff that I used to be able to
toss without pain as "scrap" now looks like turning stock
for pens, lamp pulls and other small bits. On the other
hand, it also lets me recycle a lot of stuff that would
have been waste in years past.


a couple of Xmases ago
http://www.axminster.co.uk/default.asp?part=CCL

A decent looking clone of the Delta 46-500, which was a fairly
good lathe when it came on the market but has been superceeded by
hardier lathes. About the only quibble I had with it was that it
was a TAD light for what I wanted to do. The variable speed
feature is pretty nice, though. I used one once, and, I thought
that after one put a shelf on it, and, put some bags of sand on
as ballast, it was a pretty solid lathe.

But now wish I'd got him this one
http://www.axminster.co.uk/default.asp?part=CCBL

Looks like another good one, and having a bit more
bed length can be REALLY useful.


The smaller lathe is just that bit too short to turn chair spindles
(840mm instead of 1100mm).
=

It is amazing how often it is that the lathe we have
is just SLIGHTLY too short for the project we have in mind.
I have, in the past, been known to clamp the tailstock to a stand
a bit past the end of the lathe, to get that extra length. I
recommend several bags of sand on the base, though, if one
wants to do this...
Regards
Dave Mundt

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 23:05:42 GMT, (Dave Mundt) wrote:

Sigh...I suppose if I had paid ANY attention
to your ISP, I would have realized you were NOT
anywhere near a WoodCraft store (which is an
American Franchise chain).

How can you tell what my ISP is ? I use a .com address, I (as of
yesterday) am paying for a usenet feed direct from supernews, because
my own ISP's feed is too unusably crap to bother with, and I get my
mail and web hosting from yet another company.

I think somewhere in the midst of that I still have an ISP (they still
bill me) but I'm beginning to wonder what for ?....

http://www.axminster.co.uk/default.asp?part=CCL

A decent looking clone of the Delta 46-500, which was a fairly
good lathe when it came on the market

It does the job, as neither of us are much good as turners.

The clamp locks for the tailstock seem a bit feeble though and it has
been known to creep. If I had a bit more time up there (Christmas ?) I
might fire up the metal turning lathe and make something better. Did
the Delta have similar trouble ?


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You mean like this?
http://www.pbs.org/wws/howto/images/...underplane.pdf

Art

"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
...
Anyone ever made a rounder plane ?

I need something a bit like this
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...ry=14 61&rd=1
but I'm too mean to pay collector prices for one, and I also have lots
of old 2" Stanley plane irons hanging around, after upgrading to
better ones.

Any advice ? What sort of geometry do I want in this thing ? Do I
really need a tapered hole through it, and what's the best way to make
one ?

Plane irons have one slot, not two. Can I use this alone, or will the
blade tend to rotate ? Should I cut a second slot ?

The intention is to put round tenons on narrow spindles for a chair.
Not quite a Windsor, but a similar idea.

--
Die Gotterspammerung - Junkmail of the Gods

Dave Mundt wrote:

Greetings and Salutations...
Or...look at this as an excuse to go out and
buy a nice, new lathe! Woodcraft has the Jet MiniLathe
on sale for $199 or so just now (getting rid of old

Amazon.com has this for $199.95 with free shipping.

Just got mine today, two weeks ahead of the promised date.

I don't get to play with it until Christmas, but I inspected it and fired it
up to make sure there were no problems. Sure is a sweet little machine!

--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 23:40:34 GMT, "Wood Butcher"
wrote:

You mean like this?
http://www.pbs.org/wws/howto/images/...underplane.pdf

That sort of thing, yes.

Unfortunately it doesn't describe the cutter angle. It's
approximately 0°, but slightly steeper than that. Just how much is
quite another question....

--
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:55:46 -0400, Silvan
brought forth from the murky depths:

Dave Mundt wrote:

Greetings and Salutations...
Or...look at this as an excuse to go out and
buy a nice, new lathe! Woodcraft has the Jet MiniLathe
on sale for $199 or so just now (getting rid of old

Amazon.com has this for $199.95 with free shipping.

Just got mine today, two weeks ahead of the promised date.

I don't get to play with it until Christmas, but I inspected it and fired it
up to make sure there were no problems. Sure is a sweet little machine!

I saw a very large lathe in the local HFT warehouse a couple weeks
ago. It was 3x7", I believe, and cost a whopping $39.99 on sale.
All the people who walked past me for the next five minutes thought
I was nuts. I didn't stop giggling until I left the store.


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Larry Jaques wrote:

Amazon.com has this for $199.95 with free shipping.

Just got mine today, two weeks ahead of the promised date.

I don't get to play with it until Christmas, but I inspected it and fired
it
up to make sure there were no problems. Sure is a sweet little machine!

I saw a very large lathe in the local HFT warehouse a couple weeks
ago. It was 3x7", I believe, and cost a whopping $39.99 on sale.
All the people who walked past me for the next five minutes thought
I was nuts. I didn't stop giggling until I left the store.

I lucked out in that I don't have *room* for a very large lathe, or I
probably would have opted to save money, and would have wound up with a
POS. (Though probably not as much of a POS as that thing probably was.)

I don't have enough experience to appreciate the finer points of the thing,
but the JET sure looks and feels well-made at first glance.

My only problem with it so far is that I underestimated my willingness to
hoist the 80-pound thing up onto my workbench and back down to the floor or
wherever. When I conceived the lathe purchase, I wasn't using my workbench
for much, but now I'm getting ready to put a new top on, and bore dog holes
so I can plane wide boards more easily. That's a bit of a conflict of
interest there, because it means the lathe can't take up semi-permanent
residence on the bench.

I have to decide what to do. I'm thinking maybe relegate the sander to
mobile duty. Now that I've taken to planing and using real wood, I won't
have a lot of use for it anyway. There's just no point ruining a perfectly
glass smooth piece of walnut by scratching the hell out of it, and I no
longer need it for cleaning up saw marks or off-square edges. Planes
really kick ass!

It _is_ useful for some things. Most notably the disc sander. Wasn't it
you who told me to dump my combo and get a big disc unit?

Well, I can ponder this in some other thread, where it's more relevant to
the subject at hand.

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Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

Careful with metal as hot pieces CAN start smoldering in sanding dust!

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:56:34 GMT, Larry Jaques
wrote:

I have the little Delta 1" belt/5" disc combo and it's great.
I use it to dress both metal and wood parts.

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 01:29:20 -0400, Silvan
brought forth from the murky depths:

Larry Jaques wrote:

I saw a very large lathe in the local HFT warehouse a couple weeks
ago. It was 3x7", I believe, and cost a whopping $39.99 on sale.
All the people who walked past me for the next five minutes thought
I was nuts. I didn't stop giggling until I left the store.

Hmm, looking back at that post it sounds as if I bought one
of those toys. I did not. I have a perfectly good $10 lathe
for those rare occasions I need one.


I lucked out in that I don't have *room* for a very large lathe, or I
probably would have opted to save money, and would have wound up with a
POS. (Though probably not as much of a POS as that thing probably was.)

I would have pointed out a $79 lathe at HFT which just went on sale
if you'd asked (or if you did and I'd seen it).


I don't have enough experience to appreciate the finer points of the thing,
but the JET sure looks and feels well-made at first glance.

My only problem with it so far is that I underestimated my willingness to
hoist the 80-pound thing up onto my workbench and back down to the floor or
wherever. When I conceived the lathe purchase, I wasn't using my workbench
for much, but now I'm getting ready to put a new top on, and bore dog holes
so I can plane wide boards more easily. That's a bit of a conflict of
interest there, because it means the lathe can't take up semi-permanent
residence on the bench.

Make a hefty sawhorse and mount it on that. I'll be doing that for
my lathe once I finally paint that wall behind it with a couple coats
of Kilz. (The cigar smoke bled through the cheap interior primer and
it reeks out there again. I hate smokers.)


I have to decide what to do. I'm thinking maybe relegate the sander to
mobile duty. Now that I've taken to planing and using real wood, I won't
have a lot of use for it anyway. There's just no point ruining a perfectly
glass smooth piece of walnut by scratching the hell out of it, and I no
longer need it for cleaning up saw marks or off-square edges. Planes
really kick ass!

Almost orgasmic, eh? Look into cabinet scrapers. Lee Valley has
two sets which will, combined, set you back about $20, and they
are well worth it.


It _is_ useful for some things. Most notably the disc sander. Wasn't it
you who told me to dump my combo and get a big disc unit?

I have the little Delta 1" belt/5" disc combo and it's great.
I use it to dress both metal and wood parts.


Well, I can ponder this in some other thread, where it's more relevant to
the subject at hand.


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Greetings and Salutations....

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:32:24 +0100, Andy Dingley
wrote:


On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 23:05:42 GMT, (Dave Mundt) wrote:

Sigh...I suppose if I had paid ANY attention
to your ISP, I would have realized you were NOT
anywhere near a WoodCraft store (which is an
American Franchise chain).

How can you tell what my ISP is ? I use a .com address, I (as of
yesterday) am paying for a usenet feed direct from supernews, because
my own ISP's feed is too unusably crap to bother with, and I get my
mail and web hosting from yet another company.

Well, actually, I was kind of making a leap of faith,
since codesmiths.com IS an English company, and I did not really
think that you would be using it for a return address unless you had
some connection with it. *smile*. Also, since you had bought
the lathe from an English company....

I think somewhere in the midst of that I still have an ISP (they still
bill me) but I'm beginning to wonder what for ?....

Haw! The world of connecting to the net is getting
MORE and more complicated in some ways, this is true.

http://www.axminster.co.uk/default.asp?part=CCL

A decent looking clone of the Delta 46-500, which was a fairly
good lathe when it came on the market

It does the job, as neither of us are much good as turners.

The clamp locks for the tailstock seem a bit feeble though and it has
been known to creep. If I had a bit more time up there (Christmas ?) I
might fire up the metal turning lathe and make something better. Did
the Delta have similar trouble ?

Yea, and actually the Jet version of the same lathe has the
same problem. Now, since currently, I have some small connection
with the Jet version, I have to say that it IS possible to get rid
of most of it by adjusting the tension of the nut on the shaft
that goes through the bed and pulls up the locking washer. However,
it is still possible to push the tailstock back when it is locked
down, by cranking the tailstock in tighter.
The "big" problem with the Delta lathe was that it had
the span to swing a 12" disk, but, I gather it really did not have the
muscle to do it with sufficient power. However, as with most
lighter duty lathes, lighter cuts worked fine.
I actually own a somewhat heavier Delta lathe, and,
I don't have that problem...and I suspect that a bit heftier cam
or something like that would be an improvement.

Regards
Dave Mundt

Larry Jaques wrote:

of Kilz. (The cigar smoke bled through the cheap interior primer and
it reeks out there again. I hate smokers.)

You hate poly, stain, smokers... Sure your name isn't Mikey?

How is someone else's smoke getting through to your shop anyway? Live in a
townhouse or something?

I hate townhouses, apartments, and closely spaced dwellings in general.

I also hate most varieties of pastel green.

longer need it for cleaning up saw marks or off-square edges. Planes
really kick ass!

Almost orgasmic, eh? Look into cabinet scrapers. Lee Valley has
two sets which will, combined, set you back about $20, and they
are well worth it.

On my list already. I need more planes too. And lathe tools.

Oh, and money. I guess I'm going to have to procure some of that to start
with.

It _is_ useful for some things. Most notably the disc sander. Wasn't it
you who told me to dump my combo and get a big disc unit?

I have the little Delta 1" belt/5" disc combo and it's great.
I use it to dress both metal and wood parts.

Somebody else then.

--
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Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:42:13 -0400, Bob Bowles
brought forth from the murky depths:

Careful with metal as hot pieces CAN start smoldering in sanding dust!

I keep the dust sucker on when using it for wood. I vacuum
it out after the tool, etc. have cooled for metal. It's an
old Grants metal-canned screamer which it damnear as loud
as a bloody routah. The stocking helped mend the hole in
the filter, but I should try to find another one some day.


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On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 01:12:24 -0500, Silvan
brought forth from the murky depths:

Larry Jaques wrote:

of Kilz. (The cigar smoke bled through the cheap interior primer and
it reeks out there again. I hate smokers.)

You hate poly, stain, smokers... Sure your name isn't Mikey?

No, the old, mean drunk who lived in the house before me smoked
stogies in the remodeled garage when he worked on blueprints. I
tore down the old smoky curtains, ripped up the smoky carpeting,
and repainted the whole shebang, including the floor. The cheap
interior primer is nothing at all like Kilz. That stuff is the
BEST. The Ace primer (used by the idiot who painted my house)
didn't keep the back of the house from peeling 7 months later.
I need to strip it, Kilz it, and repaint some year soon. The
second 5-gal bucket of primer was Kilz2 and everywhere he used
that stuck, and will probably look good for another decade.


I hate townhouses, apartments, and closely spaced dwellings in general.

D i t t 'effin O.


I also hate most varieties of pastel green.

You'd hate my house. I painted it Catmint green with Hunter green
trim.


Oh, and money. I guess I'm going to have to procure some of that to start
with.

It does help. Just a bit.


It _is_ useful for some things. Most notably the disc sander. Wasn't it
you who told me to dump my combo and get a big disc unit?

I have the little Delta 1" belt/5" disc combo and it's great.
I use it to dress both metal and wood parts.

Somebody else then.

Ayup. I'm sold all the way on the 1-incher. ScaryPaper(tm) and
any old flattish surface is the only other way I normally use
that sandpapuh stuff.


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On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:05:12 GMT, Larry Jaques
wrote:

I tore down the old smoky curtains, ripped up the smoky carpeting,
and repainted the whole shebang, including the floor. The cheap
interior primer is nothing at all like Kilz. That stuff is the
BEST.

The readymix button shellac I've been using lately is a cheap waxy
grade (Screwfix). It's not bad, so long as you let it stand and then
decant the clear part.

This of course leaves you with lots of waxy "sanding sealer" looking
for a job to do. When a friend recently tried to de-smoke their new
flat (previous occupant was Dennis Leary), we used a gallon or so of
this stuff. Lousy as shellac, but it's still a good odour sealer.

--
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Larry Jaques wrote:

I need to strip it, Kilz it, and repaint some year soon. The
second 5-gal bucket of primer was Kilz2 and everywhere he used
that stuck, and will probably look good for another decade.

Would have been cheaper to just start smoking cigars. Then you wouldn't
have noticed the smell so much.

G, D & R

I hate townhouses, apartments, and closely spaced dwellings in general.

D i t t 'effin O.

That's reassuring.

I also hate most varieties of pastel green.

You'd hate my house. I painted it Catmint green with Hunter green
trim.

That's extremely disturbing. Sure you're not a 90-year-old lady?

Ayup. I'm sold all the way on the 1-incher. ScaryPaper(tm) and
any old flattish surface is the only other way I normally use
that sandpapuh stuff.

Scary is right. I forget how sharp these damn things are sometimes. I just
barely, barely touched the end of the blade while reaching over my chisels
to get something off the pegboard, and I didn't even notice the cut until
blood dripped on my workpiece.

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Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
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