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On Dec 6, 12:36 am, (J T) wrote:
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On Dec 6, 6:48 am, Robatoy wrote:
On Dec 6, 12:36 am, (J T) wrote: http://www.iowapresidentialwatch.com...reYears-Md.jpg JOAT Even Popeye didn't eat his spinach until he had to. Hillary.... could the Democrats do the GOP a bigger favour? Think of all the chicks the Big Dog can nail when she's in overseas conferences. Remember, it's marathon, not a sprint. My money's on Barry HUSSEIN Obama. Which is cool with me cos he'll represent a "first". We've never had a President Barry. Nothing but Jameses, Johns and Franklins... Jeff |
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Hillary.... could the Democrats do the GOP a bigger favour? You referring to that bunch of middle aged white guys who appear to be totally clueless? Lew |
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On Dec 6, 1:01 pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
Robatoy wrote: Hillary.... could the Democrats do the GOP a bigger favour? You referring to that bunch of middle aged white guys who appear to be totally clueless? Lew Given the last seven or so years, I'd suggest Berni. Berni is an 11 year old female mutt--part dachshund and part some kind of terrier-- who basically likes to be overfed and overpetted, thus shows more wisdom than is apparent in the entire Republican Party and a large segment of the Democratic Party. One thing has baffled me about Clinton's critics: most are conservatives (small and capital C) who staunchly defend family values (with the occasional exception such Giuliani, Gingrich, Craig and a few thousand others), standing by one's man and so forth, yet for years, they've criticized her as a bitch for not divorcing her husband when he drops trou in the wrong places. Tammy Wynette where are you now that we need you? |
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"Charlie Self" wrote: One thing has baffled me about Clinton's critics: most are conservatives (small and capital C) who staunchly defend family values (with the occasional exception such Giuliani, Gingrich, Craig and a few thousand others), standing by one's man and so forth, yet for years, they've criticized her as a bitch for not divorcing her husband when he drops trou in the wrong places. I get the impression that as a group they are scared s__tless of her and what, as a woman, she represents. As a result are running around like Chicken Little announcing the sky is falling. Lew |
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On Dec 6, 2:55 pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
"Charlie Self" wrote: One thing has baffled me about Clinton's critics: most are conservatives (small and capital C) who staunchly defend family values (with the occasional exception such Giuliani, Gingrich, Craig and a few thousand others), standing by one's man and so forth, yet for years, they've criticized her as a bitch for not divorcing her husband when he drops trou in the wrong places. I get the impression that as a group they are scared s__tless of her and what, as a woman, she represents. As a result are running around like Chicken Little announcing the sky is falling. That, too. |
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Well... I see it has started. Political season is coming! Cartoons,
clever retorts, sound bites, witty reparte, and every one thinks they are right. What sufferer of self induced profound retardation ACTUALLY thinks any of those nitwits running for office give one crap about them? How have our politicians (speaking of our American politicians only, I know it isn't polite or politically correct to criticize other countries....) done such a good selling job that any sane individual anywhere in this country actually thinks one of those self serving, petty empire builders cares about them? The differences in the candidates are fun to enjoy when you see them ripping each other to shreds as it is like a good catfight (but no loss of clothes - lucky us!) but in reality there just isn't much difference anymore. Just make sure boys, that when the hate threads start and you start **** blasting each other over political differences that you mark them "OT". Thanks for that one, JT. Robert |
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Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Charlie Self" wrote: One thing has baffled me about Clinton's critics: most are conservatives (small and capital C) who staunchly defend family values (with the occasional exception such Giuliani, Gingrich, Craig and a few thousand others), standing by one's man and so forth, yet for years, they've criticized her as a bitch for not divorcing her husband when he drops trou in the wrong places. I get the impression that as a group they are scared s__tless of her and what, as a woman, she represents. What, exactly, as a woman do you think she represents? Rugged individualism and rising to status on her own? The only reason we even know who she is comes as a result of her association with her husband. Great achievements? What exactly has she done? Rose Law firm? First Lady? Moving to one of the most liberal states in the US in order to get elected Senator? -- a donkey could have been elected as long as it had a (D) by its name. ... and the second great hope is a guy who just got elected to the Senate and has done, what, exactly? As a result are running around like Chicken Little announcing the sky is falling. Well, we certainly know that describing her as a Stalinist is not exactly hyperbole. "I'm going to take those oil company profits and use them for ..." If she wants those, what make you think that someday your profits shouldn't be used to help those she thinks needs help. /I'm done. This is way too early for presidential election politics anyway. -- If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough |
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On Dec 6, 6:41 pm, (J T) wrote:
[snipped for brevity] to be a capable liar tho.I have nothing against a woman president, just not her - Who then? Janet Reno? |
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"Mark & Juanita" wrote: What, exactly, as a woman do you think she represents? Someone who has a serious chance to break thru the glass ceiling of American politics as practiced by the good Old Boys Club". Gotta be scary as the devil for them. Lew |
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Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Mark & Juanita" wrote: What, exactly, as a woman do you think she represents? Someone who has a serious chance to break thru the glass ceiling of American politics as practiced by the good Old Boys Club". Gotta be scary as the devil for them. What a condescending thought. So just because she's a woman you think conservatives are afraid of her? That is the equivalent of saying that libs are scared of Ann Coulter just because she is a woman who is doing well in what was formerly a man's world of political discourse. Or for that matter that all libs would be for Kay Bailey Hutchison because she is a woman breaking through the glass ceiling of American politics. i.e, conservatives aren't concerned about Hillary because she is a woman, they are concerned about Hillary because she has shown herself to be strongly socialist with stalinist tendencies -- If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough |
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On Dec 6, 6:41 pm, (J T) wrote: [snipped for brevity] to be a capable liar tho.I have nothing against a woman president, just not her - Who then? Janet Reno? Elizabeth Dole. |
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On Dec 6, 11:41 pm, (J T) wrote:
Thu, Dec 6, 2007, 11:33am (EST-3) (Charlie Self) doth sayeth: snip One thing has baffled me about Clinton's critics: most are conservatives (small and capital C) who staunchly defend family values (with the occasional exception such Giuliani, Gingrich, Craig and a few thousand others), standing by one's man and so forth, yet for years, they've criticized her as a bitch for not divorcing her husband when he drops trou in the wrong places. snip I consider myself a conservative. However, a llot of people consider me a extreme liveral - possibly because I believe in the death penalty, and that it ought to be used more often. I also believe we should be putting more politicians in jaim. Anyway... I've been a critic of the Clintons long before Slick Willy was president the first time. I don't think Hillary is a bitch for sticking by him, stupid comes to mine, but more likely it's only for her political advantage. Personally I sincerely hope she doesn't get elected, I think she hasn't the moral character, and certainly not the experience, to do an acceptable job - and then there's the horrible thought of Slick Willy having the run of the White House. She does seem to be a capable liar tho. I have nothing against a woman president, just not her - I consider her totally unqualified for the position. I don't consider her opponents all that much better, but some at least. Arrrggghhh. Don't get me started on politicians. Arrrrggggghhhhhh!!! ISTM that you got your self started. Note followups. -- FF |
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On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:08:42 -0700, Mark & Juanita
wrote: Lew Hodgett wrote: "Mark & Juanita" wrote: What, exactly, as a woman do you think she represents? Someone who has a serious chance to break thru the glass ceiling of American politics as practiced by the good Old Boys Club". Gotta be scary as the devil for them. What a condescending thought. So just because she's a woman you think conservatives are afraid of her? That is the equivalent of saying that libs are scared of Ann Coulter just because she is a woman who is doing well in what was formerly a man's world of political discourse. Being a screech owl is hardly the same as being prez. Or for that matter that all libs would be for Kay Bailey Hutchison because she is a woman breaking through the glass ceiling of American politics. i.e, conservatives aren't concerned about Hillary because she is a woman, they are concerned about Hillary because she has shown herself to be strongly corporatist, in bed with the same folks who brought you the forthcoming economic meltdown.. (I fixed your post). Renata |
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On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:44:48 -0700, Mark & Juanita
wrote: Lew Hodgett wrote: "Charlie Self" wrote: One thing has baffled me about Clinton's critics: most are conservatives (small and capital C) who staunchly defend family values (with the occasional exception such Giuliani, Gingrich, Craig and a few thousand others), standing by one's man and so forth, yet for years, they've criticized her as a bitch for not divorcing her husband when he drops trou in the wrong places. I get the impression that as a group they are scared s__tless of her and what, as a woman, she represents. What, exactly, as a woman do you think she represents? Rugged individualism and rising to status on her own? The only reason we even know who she is comes as a result of her association with her husband. Great achievements? What exactly has she done? Rose Law firm? First Lady? Moving to one of the most liberal states in the US in order to get elected Senator? -- a donkey could have been elected as long as it had a (D) by its name. Look, we know past achievements aren't a prerequisite for holding the highest office in the land, or the current occupant would've been laughed outta town, what with his string of business "successes" and fine "governance" of the "great" state of Texas, not to mention his "youthful indiscretions". Renata ... and the second great hope is a guy who just got elected to the Senate and has done, what, exactly? As a result are running around like Chicken Little announcing the sky is falling. Well, we certainly know that describing her as a Stalinist is not exactly hyperbole. "I'm going to take those oil company profits and use them for ..." If she wants those, what make you think that someday your profits shouldn't be used to help those she thinks needs help. /I'm done. This is way too early for presidential election politics anyway. |
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Renata wrote:
On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:08:42 -0700, Mark & Juanita wrote: Lew Hodgett wrote: "Mark & Juanita" wrote: What, exactly, as a woman do you think she represents? Someone who has a serious chance to break thru the glass ceiling of American politics as practiced by the good Old Boys Club". Gotta be scary as the devil for them. What a condescending thought. So just because she's a woman you think conservatives are afraid of her? That is the equivalent of saying that libs are scared of Ann Coulter just because she is a woman who is doing well in what was formerly a man's world of political discourse. Being a screech owl is hardly the same as being prez. I agree. Hillary's screech and cackle would scare just about anybody. Certainly doesn't make her presidential. Or for that matter that all libs would be for Kay Bailey Hutchison because she is a woman breaking through the glass ceiling of American politics. i.e, conservatives aren't concerned about Hillary because she is a woman, they are concerned about Hillary because she has shown herself to be strongly corporatist, in bed with the same folks who brought you the forthcoming economic meltdown.. (I fixed your post). DON'T do that, I don't want that kind of stuff showing up in the archives. I did not write the above. Listening to her speeches, particularly to the kook fringe base, she leans very heavily socialist. Period. Renata -- If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough |
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Renata wrote:
On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:44:48 -0700, Mark & Juanita wrote: Lew Hodgett wrote: "Charlie Self" wrote: One thing has baffled me about Clinton's critics: most are conservatives (small and capital C) who staunchly defend family values (with the occasional exception such Giuliani, Gingrich, Craig and a few thousand others), standing by one's man and so forth, yet for years, they've criticized her as a bitch for not divorcing her husband when he drops trou in the wrong places. I get the impression that as a group they are scared s__tless of her and what, as a woman, she represents. What, exactly, as a woman do you think she represents? Rugged individualism and rising to status on her own? The only reason we even know who she is comes as a result of her association with her husband. Great achievements? What exactly has she done? Rose Law firm? First Lady? Moving to one of the most liberal states in the US in order to get elected Senator? -- a donkey could have been elected as long as it had a (D) by its name. Look, we know past achievements aren't a prerequisite for holding the highest office in the land, or the current occupant would've been laughed outta town, what with his string of business "successes" and fine "governance" of the "great" state of Texas, not to mention his "youthful indiscretions". People who think that conservatives are down on the idea of a female President don't remember Maggie Thatcher, who most conservatives would have voted for if she had been eligible to and chosen to run for the office of President. The singular lack of success of female candidates in the past has been because they came across as "woman candidates" and not "candidates who happen to be women". Now, that said, I'm probably going to end up voting for Hillary if she gets the nomination (and that will be the first time going back to Nixon that I vote for a Democratic candidate for President), unless the Republicans pull a rabbit out of their hat. The reason is simple--I've always thought that the wrong Clinton got elected and I am curious as to what she would actually do. She comes across as tough, conniving, determined, willing to do whatever's necessary to achieve her objectives, and so likely to be very effective. And I have every confidence that the Islamists will do something stupid that will set her off. Besides, it would be kind of fun to see Rush Limbaugh's head explode. Renata ... and the second great hope is a guy who just got elected to the Senate and has done, what, exactly? As a result are running around like Chicken Little announcing the sky is falling. Well, we certainly know that describing her as a Stalinist is not exactly hyperbole. "I'm going to take those oil company profits and use them for ..." If she wants those, what make you think that someday your profits shouldn't be used to help those she thinks needs help. /I'm done. This is way too early for presidential election politics anyway. -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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"Mark & Juanita" wrote: What a condescending thought. So just because she's a woman you think conservatives are afraid of her? Conservatives? Where did that come from? Didn't know that "Good Old Boys" were necessarily "Conservatives". Sounds like a personal problem to me. Lew |
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J T wrote:
Fri, Dec 7, 2007, 12:20pm (J. Clarke) doth sayeth: snip She comes across as tough, conniving, determined, willing to do whatever's necessary to achieve her objectives, snip Indeed, and what her objectives are is what worries me.. The only thing that she really seems to be pushing for is further fouling up the medical system, but it's such a cluster**** now that the amount of harm that she can do in that regard would appear to be limited. And really, when has your life changed in a major way due to the election of one candidate or another? -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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On Dec 6, 9:14 pm, (J T) wrote:
Thu, Dec 6, 2007, 3:58pm (EST-3) doth posteth: snip How have our politicians (speaking of our American politicians only, I know it isn't polite or politically correct to criticize other countries....) snip Just make sure boys, that when the hate threads start and you start **** blasting each other over political differences that you mark them "OT". Thanks for that one, JT. I think that when you've criticized one politician you've pretty much critized them all, they're all basically the same, just the language is different - and I do NOT consider that criticizing another country - politicians are fair game, period. You're welcome, I considered it the politically correct thing to do. Well, we can always try my recommendation: anyone who wins local office must spend six months in jail before taking office, hard labor; state leve, depending on importance (supposed) of the office, one to three years; federal level, congressman(woman), four years; senator, five years, president, ten years. There's little doubt any and all of them deserve at least that, so get it out of the way and watch 'em smoke (if you can find anyone to run, though I think in most cases, the money is big enough...). |
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On Dec 7, 12:08 am, Mark & Juanita wrote:
Lew Hodgett wrote: "Mark & Juanita" wrote: What, exactly, as a woman do you think she represents? Someone who has a serious chance to break thru the glass ceiling of American politics as practiced by the good Old Boys Club". Gotta be scary as the devil for them. What a condescending thought. So just because she's a woman you think conservatives are afraid of her? That is the equivalent of saying that libs are scared of Ann Coulter just because she is a woman who is doing well in what was formerly a man's world of political discourse. Or for that matter that all libs would be for Kay Bailey Hutchison because she is a woman breaking through the glass ceiling of American politics. i.e, conservatives aren't concerned about Hillary because she is a woman, they are concerned about Hillary because she has shown herself to be strongly socialist with stalinist tendencies -- If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough Scared of Annie Babe? Get real. She's nothing but a buck hungry publicity hound with no power, and a penchant for the gross statement--"I think it would be fun to A-bomb Iran." The only time a bitch like that is scary is when she's near the kitchen knives, had a couple and is behind you. |
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On Dec 7, 12:19 am, Just Wondering wrote:
Robatoy wrote: On Dec 6, 6:41 pm, (J T) wrote: [snipped for brevity] to be a capable liar tho.I have nothing against a woman president, just not her - Who then? Janet Reno? Elizabeth Dole. I was hoping for that some years ago. Look what we got. |
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On Dec 7, 10:41 am, Renata wrote:
On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:08:42 -0700, Mark & Juanita wrote: Lew Hodgett wrote: "Mark & Juanita" wrote: What, exactly, as a woman do you think she represents? Someone who has a serious chance to break thru the glass ceiling of American politics as practiced by the good Old Boys Club". Gotta be scary as the devil for them. What a condescending thought. So just because she's a woman you think conservatives are afraid of her? That is the equivalent of saying that libs are scared of Ann Coulter just because she is a woman who is doing well in what was formerly a man's world of political discourse. Being a screech owl is hardly the same as being prez. Or for that matter that all libs would be for Kay Bailey Hutchison because she is a woman breaking through the glass ceiling of American politics. i.e, conservatives aren't concerned about Hillary because she is a woman, they are concerned about Hillary because she has shown herself to be strongly corporatist, in bed with the same folks who brought you the forthcoming economic meltdown.. (I fixed your post). Renata I'll have to look her up. Never heard of her. |
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On Dec 7, 12:20 pm, "J. Clarke" wrote:
Renata wrote: On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:44:48 -0700, Mark & Juanita wrote: Lew Hodgett wrote: "Charlie Self" wrote: One thing has baffled me about Clinton's critics: most are conservatives (small and capital C) who staunchly defend family values (with the occasional exception such Giuliani, Gingrich, Craig and a few thousand others), standing by one's man and so forth, yet for years, they've criticized her as a bitch for not divorcing her husband when he drops trou in the wrong places. I get the impression that as a group they are scared s__tless of her and what, as a woman, she represents. What, exactly, as a woman do you think she represents? Rugged individualism and rising to status on her own? The only reason we even know who she is comes as a result of her association with her husband. Great achievements? What exactly has she done? Rose Law firm? First Lady? Moving to one of the most liberal states in the US in order to get elected Senator? -- a donkey could have been elected as long as it had a (D) by its name. Look, we know past achievements aren't a prerequisite for holding the highest office in the land, or the current occupant would've been laughed outta town, what with his string of business "successes" and fine "governance" of the "great" state of Texas, not to mention his "youthful indiscretions". People who think that conservatives are down on the idea of a female President don't remember Maggie Thatcher, who most conservatives would have voted for if she had been eligible to and chosen to run for the office of President. The singular lack of success of female candidates in the past has been because they came across as "woman candidates" and not "candidates who happen to be women". Now, that said, I'm probably going to end up voting for Hillary if she gets the nomination (and that will be the first time going back to Nixon that I vote for a Democratic candidate for President), unless the Republicans pull a rabbit out of their hat. The reason is simple--I've always thought that the wrong Clinton got elected and I am curious as to what she would actually do. She comes across as tough, conniving, determined, willing to do whatever's necessary to achieve her objectives, and so likely to be very effective. And I have every confidence that the Islamists will do something stupid that will set her off. Besides, it would be kind of fun to see Rush Limbaugh's head explode. Oh, man! I'd pay to see that. A blast and a whiff of pent up hot air. I tend to agree with you about Clinton: I have always said that Jimmy Carter failed as President because he's a nice guy, thinks other people are nice, and, basically, doesn't have enough soon-of-a-bitch in him to do the job. I believe Mrs. Clinton qualifies, except for the 'son' part. And I think she'll do a good job. Of course, anything short of a total collapse of the Republic is going to look good with the mess goofball is leaving behind. |
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J. Clarke wrote:
J T wrote: Fri, Dec 7, 2007, 12:20pm (J. Clarke) doth sayeth: snip She comes across as tough, conniving, determined, willing to do whatever's necessary to achieve her objectives, snip Indeed, and what her objectives are is what worries me.. The only thing that she really seems to be pushing for is further fouling up the medical system, but it's such a cluster**** now that the amount of harm that she can do in that regard would appear to be limited. Oh yeah, our system is so screwed up that people who can, come to use it instead of relying upon *their* own country's socialized health care system. And really, when has your life changed in a major way due to the election of one candidate or another? -- If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough |
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"And really, when has your life changed in a major way due to the
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henry wrote:
"And really, when has your life changed in a major way due to the election of one candidate or another? " How much was gas when the busher came in? Adjusted for inflation, less than under Jimmy Carter - in fact it still is: http://www.randomuseless.info/gasprice/adjusted.txt |
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henry wrote:
"And really, when has your life changed in a major way due to the election of one candidate or another? " How much was gas when the busher came in? What did he do to increase them that Clinton and Bush I and Reagan and Carter and Ford and Nixon and Johnson and Kennedy didn't do? -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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On Dec 7, 11:24 am, Mark & Juanita wrote:
Renata wrote: On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:08:42 -0700, Mark & Juanita wrote: Lew Hodgett wrote: "Mark & Juanita" wrote: What, exactly, as a woman do you think she represents? Someone who has a serious chance to break thru the glass ceiling of American politics as practiced by the good Old Boys Club". Gotta be scary as the devil for them. What a condescending thought. So just because she's a woman you think conservatives are afraid of her? That is the equivalent of saying that libs are scared of Ann Coulter just because she is a woman who is doing well in what was formerly a man's world of political discourse. Being a screech owl is hardly the same as being prez. I agree. Hillary's screech and cackle would scare just about anybody. Certainly doesn't make her presidential. Or for that matter that all libs would be for Kay Bailey Hutchison because she is a woman breaking through the glass ceiling of American politics. i.e, conservatives aren't concerned about Hillary because she is a woman, they are concerned about Hillary because she has shown herself to be strongly corporatist, in bed with the same folks who brought you the forthcoming economic meltdown.. (I fixed your post). DON'T do that, I don't want that kind of stuff showing up in the archives. I did not write the above. Listening to her speeches, particularly to the kook fringe base, she leans very heavily socialist. Period. Renata -- If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough Look, somehow that bitch has been given the taste of blood in her fangs. Some schmuck has convinced her that she can be a big as Bill. She's running with the hope she can show up her husband. That is what gives her life. Other than that she's dead. We'll run the risk of nuclear war every 28 days? |
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: Oh yeah, our system is so screwed up that people who can, come to use it instead of relying upon *their* own country's socialized health care system. That is only if they can afford to spend the bucks (pun intended). From my experience, the current system is completely fouled up, with mutiple billings for the same thing both to the actual patient and his/her insurance company. -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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