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TMT Seattle Man Gets Two Years for eBay Fraud Robert McMillan, IDG News Service Sat Sep 8, 8:00 PM ET A Seattle man has been sentenced to two years in prison for selling computers and cameras on eBay but never actually delivering the goods. Over a four-year period, Jordan Dias, 40, collected more than US $94,000 from victims who thought they were purchasing items from a legitimate seller, the U.S. Department of Justice said Friday in a statement. Dias, who defrauded more than 100 people via this scam will now have to pay more than $73,000 in restitution, and serve three years parole after his 24-month sentence. This type of Internet auction fraud is the most frequently reported type of online crime, according to the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation's Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3), a clearing- house where consumers can file online crime complaints. In 2006, the last year for which data is available, the IC3 logged more than 207,000 complaints relating to auction fraud. That amounted to about 45 percent of all complaints received. |
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"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message ups.com... I thought you might find this interesting.... TMT Seattle Man Gets Two Years for eBay Fraud Robert McMillan, IDG News Service Sat Sep 8, 8:00 PM ET A Seattle man has been sentenced to two years in prison for selling computers and cameras on eBay but never actually delivering the goods. His feedback was still probably over 90%....based on sham transactions, etc.. |
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thats why I use craigslist !!!!!!!!!!
"ATP*" wrote in message ... "Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message ups.com... I thought you might find this interesting.... TMT Seattle Man Gets Two Years for eBay Fraud Robert McMillan, IDG News Service Sat Sep 8, 8:00 PM ET A Seattle man has been sentenced to two years in prison for selling computers and cameras on eBay but never actually delivering the goods. His feedback was still probably over 90%....based on sham transactions, etc.. |
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On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 17:20:48 -0700, "Bob in Phx"
wrote: thats why I use craigslist !!!!!!!!!! My experience with craigslist (as a seller) has had a pretty good percentage of responses in the area of "I'll send you a cashiers check for a whole bunch of money, you cash it, pay the shipper, and refund the difference". Point being, don't blame the venue for fraudulent behavior of individuals. Tom Veatch Wichita, KS USA |
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On Sep 9, 6:10 pm, "ATP*" wrote:
"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message ups.com...I thought you might find this interesting.... TMT Seattle Man Gets Two Years for eBay Fraud Robert McMillan, IDG News Service Sat Sep 8, 8:00 PM ET A Seattle man has been sentenced to two years in prison for selling computers and cameras on eBay but never actually delivering the goods. His feedback was still probably over 90%....based on sham transactions, etc.. And likely a Power Seller. TMT |
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On Sep 9, 9:46 pm, Tom Veatch wrote:
My experience with craigslist (as a seller) has had a pretty good percentage of responses in the area of "I'll send you a cashiers check for a whole bunch of money, you cash it, pay the shipper, and refund the difference". Point being, don't blame the venue for fraudulent behavior of individuals. I agree with you in principle, but at the same time do believe that the structure of the venue isn't very helpful. To take an extreme analogy, a poorly lit street is a much more attractive venue for an assault than a brightly lit mall. |
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"GoForward" wrote in message I agree with you in principle, but at the same time do believe that the structure of the venue isn't very helpful. To take an extreme analogy, a poorly lit street is a much more attractive venue for an assault than a brightly lit mall. Hah! You haven't been around any of our malls lately. At least in a poorly lit street you have a greater potential for hiding. :) |
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And likely a Power Seller. TMT In eBay's defense (and I'm not affilliated with them in anyway other than as a buyer), about a year ago, I had a problem with someone not sending my something. Got resolved quickly enough and got money posted to my PayPal account. That was pretty good in my estimate. I always pay via PayPal and if someone doesn't accept it, I don't bid. That simple. To date, I've purchased over $600 of stuff via eBay and have never been stiffed other than this one time. MJ Wallace |
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[ ... ] estimate. I always pay via PayPal and if someone doesn't accept it, I don't bid. That simple. Interesting. If someone accepts *only* PayPal, then I don't bid. That simple again. Enjoy, DoN. -- Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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On Sep 10, 9:19 pm, (DoN. Nichols) wrote:
Interesting. If someone accepts *only* PayPal, then I don't bid. That simple again. Enjoy, DoN. Same here. |
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On Sep 10, 12:22 pm, "Upscale" wrote:
Hah! You haven't been around any of our malls lately. .... Sounds like it's a good thing that I haven't been :-) |
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"DoN. Nichols" wrote Interesting. If someone accepts *only* PayPal, then I don't bid. That simple again. Enjoy, DoN. Ditto. Or if they have a two line description, then an eight page rant about non paying bidders, and hoops the buyer must jump through ..................... Steve |
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On Sep 10, 10:05 pm, GoForward wrote:
On Sep 10, 9:19 pm, (DoN. Nichols) wrote: Interesting. If someone accepts *only* PayPal, then I don't bid. That simple again. Enjoy, DoN. Same here. Why NOT Paypal? You are open to more risk if you pay by MO or CC or personal check. TMT |
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"DoN. Nichols" wrote in message ... According to : [ ... ] estimate. I always pay via PayPal and if someone doesn't accept it, I don't bid. That simple. Interesting. If someone accepts *only* PayPal, then I don't bid. That simple again. Enjoy, DoN. You're not alone, DoN. I refuse to do business through PayPal. Harold |
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Harold and Susan Vordos wrote:
"DoN. Nichols" wrote in message ... According to : [ ... ] estimate. I always pay via PayPal and if someone doesn't accept it, I don't bid. That simple. Interesting. If someone accepts *only* PayPal, then I don't bid. That simple again. Enjoy, DoN. You're not alone, DoN. I refuse to do business through PayPal. Harold G'day all, I think that I'm missing something here, why would you not use Paypal?? regards John |
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Harold and Susan Vordos wrote:
"DoN. Nichols" wrote in message ... According to : [ ... ] estimate. I always pay via PayPal and if someone doesn't accept it, I don't bid. That simple. Interesting. If someone accepts *only* PayPal, then I don't bid. That simple again. Enjoy, DoN. You're not alone, DoN. I refuse to do business through PayPal. Harold Me too, but that doesn't stop the thousands of times they've closed or limited the account I've never had. ;-) -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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Harold and Susan Vordos wrote:
" You're not alone, DoN. I refuse to do business through PayPal. Add one more. |
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John B wrote:
Harold and Susan Vordos wrote: "DoN. Nichols" wrote in message ... According to : [ ... ] estimate. I always pay via PayPal and if someone doesn't accept it, I don't bid. That simple. Interesting. If someone accepts *only* PayPal, then I don't bid. That simple again. Enjoy, DoN. You're not alone, DoN. I refuse to do business through PayPal. Harold G'day all, I think that I'm missing something here, why would you not use Paypal?? regards John Take a look at: http://www.gripe2ed.com/scoop/?op=search&offset=6&old_count=30&type=story§io n=&string=paypal&search=Search&count=30 -- If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough |
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Harold and Susan Vordos wrote:
| "DoN. Nichols" wrote in message | ... || According to : || || [ ... ] || ||| estimate. I always pay via PayPal and if someone doesn't accept ||| it, I don't bid. That simple. || || Interesting. If someone accepts *only* PayPal, then I don't || bid. That simple again. | | You're not alone, DoN. I refuse to do business through PayPal. Interesting. I just (yesterday) re-implemented a PayPal shopping page at the request of a Swedish customer for whom payment in US$ would have been an inconvenience. Also interesting - I haven't ever had a problem with a personal check (knocks on wood)... ....and I don't sell on eBay. -- Morris Dovey DeSoto Solar DeSoto, Iowa USA http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/ |
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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:15:09 -0700, Too_Many_Tools
wrote: On Sep 10, 10:05 pm, GoForward wrote: On Sep 10, 9:19 pm, (DoN. Nichols) wrote: Interesting. If someone accepts *only* PayPal, then I don't bid. That simple again. Same here. Why NOT Paypal? You are open to more risk if you pay by MO or CC or personal check. Because when you set up PayPal they have a direct line to access your linked bank account - their test is to make an under $1 transfer out (like $0.12) and you tell them the exact amount as a password. But PayPal isn't a "bank" so they don't have to follow the same rules about handling your money. Unless they've changed things, you can not get someone from PayPal on the phone to solve a problem even if they just tapped you for $10K, all contact is by E-mail and they take their time responding. If they decide they don't owe you the money in dispute, you aren't getting it. If a fraudster puts in a huge payment request they can clean out your regular linked bank/checking account - and then can take their sweet time returning the money. Or if the other guy lies better than you can tell the truth, they can let him keep it. Unless there have been major changes, the only safe way to use PayPal is to have your bank set up a totally separate firewalled checking account for PayPal to access - no automatic overdraft protection, no externally initiated drafts or transfers from your other accounts. You only leave $10 in "the PayPal checking account" until you make a purchase, then you fund that account with the purchase amount manually before closing the purchase. I don't feel like messing around like that. Too much to go wrong. -- Bruce -- |
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On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 10:50:15 -0700, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
I thought you might find this interesting.... Seattle Man Gets Two Years for eBay Fraud Robert McMillan, IDG News Service Sat Sep 8, 8:00 PM ET I wonder if that's the same guy who ripped me off for a hard drive? I had bought a 40 GB and he shipped a 15 GB or something. I complained, he said, "send it back, we'll send you the right one", I sent it back, and never got anything back. Unfortunately, by that time I'd lost track of who the seller was, so I just chalked it up to tuition in the school of hard knocks. )-; Thanks, Rich |
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"Rich Grise" wrote in message ... On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 10:50:15 -0700, Too_Many_Tools wrote: I thought you might find this interesting.... Seattle Man Gets Two Years for eBay Fraud Robert McMillan, IDG News Service Sat Sep 8, 8:00 PM ET I wonder if that's the same guy who ripped me off for a hard drive? I had bought a 40 GB and he shipped a 15 GB or something. I complained, he said, "send it back, we'll send you the right one", I sent it back, and never got anything back. Unfortunately, by that time I'd lost track of who the seller was, so I just chalked it up to tuition in the school of hard knocks. )-; Thanks, Rich I didn't give PayPal access to my bank account. They tried to get me to give them my account number and bank, but I refused. I did however register my Visa with them and have used it several times for purchase. However, I am always nervous about PayPal when I hear the horror stories.. |
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wrote in message
oups.com... And likely a Power Seller. TMT In eBay's defense (and I'm not affilliated with them in anyway other than as a buyer), about a year ago, I had a problem with someone not sending my something. Got resolved quickly enough and got money posted to my PayPal account. That was pretty good in my estimate. I always pay via PayPal and if someone doesn't accept it, I don't bid. That simple. To date, I've purchased over $600 of stuff via eBay and have never been stiffed other than this one time. MJ Wallace I've bought & sold a fair amount on both Ebay & Craigslist, especially prior to a recent cross-country move. Sold 2 cars on Craigslist for good prices. Also sold my then 5 year old Unisaw, 6" Delta jointer & some minor accessories on Ebay. In the case of the saw, a guy drove ~700 miles round trip to pick it up. Since I had gotten good prices on the items when I bought them, I actually ended up making a couple bucks on the equipment! I always insist on either cash (if it's a local pickup, like the tools & cars) or paypal. Only had one bum ebay experience, guy bid on a set of Corvair hubcaps I had, never paid for them (I hadn't ship them). And yeah, he had a ton of positive feedbacks! Dan |
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Out of about 1,500 transactions (2/3 sales 1/3 buys), I had only
several that were unsatisfactory (goods not delivered, or were significantly worse than described). Maybe 5 or 6 total. None were larger than a few dollars. i |
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 07:15:22 -0700, Mark & Juanita
wrote: Take a look at: http://www.gripe2ed.com/scoop/?op=search&offset=6&old_count=30&type=story§io n=&string=paypal&search=Search&count=30 Three entries logged since the first of this year, one of which is a complaint about VeRO program members taking down auctions "unfairly" and two that complain about "Pricegrabber" transactions which happen to have been paid through PayPal. Don't see much in there to fault PayPal. What am I missing? Tom Veatch Wichita, KS USA |
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"Bruce L. Bergman" wrote in message
... On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:15:09 -0700, Too_Many_Tools wrote: Why NOT Paypal? You are open to more risk if you pay by MO or CC or personal check. snip Unless there have been major changes, the only safe way to use PayPal is to have your bank set up a totally separate firewalled checking account for PayPal to access - no automatic overdraft protection, no externally initiated drafts or transfers from your other accounts. You only leave $10 in "the PayPal checking account" until you make a purchase, then you fund that account with the purchase amount manually before closing the purchase. This is what I set up at one of my INGDirect savings accounts and it saves a lot of worry. todd |
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"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
. net... "DoN. Nichols" wrote in message ... According to : [ ... ] estimate. I always pay via PayPal and if someone doesn't accept it, I don't bid. That simple. Interesting. If someone accepts *only* PayPal, then I don't bid. That simple again. Enjoy, DoN. You're not alone, DoN. I refuse to do business through PayPal. Harold It would suit me just fine if fewer people used Paypal. As a sometimes eBay seller, I hate having to pay the PayPal fees on top of the eBay fees, but you can hardly find anyone who *doesn't* want to pay with Paypal. todd |
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Tom Veatch wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 07:15:22 -0700, Mark & Juanita wrote: Take a look at: http://www.gripe2ed.com/scoop/?op=search&offset=6&old_count=30&type=story§io n=&string=paypal&search=Search&count=30 Three entries logged since the first of this year, one of which is a complaint about VeRO program members taking down auctions "unfairly" and two that complain about "Pricegrabber" transactions which happen to have been paid through PayPal. Don't see much in there to fault PayPal. What am I missing? Tom Veatch Wichita, KS USA Also some comments regarding the $2000 limit before PayPal demands a straight shot at your bank account as well as various anecdotal instances of extreme difficulty getting refunds from PayPal. The latter, since they are anecdotal are hard to determine whether a pattern is present or not. However, the straight shot at my bank account is not going to happen. I realize that is 2004 information; has PayPal changed it policy regarding this? -- If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough |
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:29:05 -0700, Mark & Juanita
wrote: Also some comments regarding the $2000 limit before PayPal demands a straight shot at your bank account as well as various anecdotal instances of extreme difficulty getting refunds from PayPal. The latter, since they are anecdotal are hard to determine whether a pattern is present or not. However, the straight shot at my bank account is not going to happen. I realize that is 2004 information; has PayPal changed it policy regarding this? I don't have any idea what current policy is. I didn't pay a lot of detailed attention to the older posts, but remember thinking that a $2000 balance limit might not be a bad thing. But, if, as it appears, it's a limit based on the sum of all transaction history, current or cleared, then I'll have to agree that it's a large load of fecal matter for which I see no reasonable justification. It was interesting that one of the primary concerns voiced in this thread - PayPal access to bank accounts - didn't seem to draw any complaints on that particular board. At least none that I noticed. But, like all the prospectus says, "Past performance is no guarantee of future results." Tom Veatch Wichita, KS USA |
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I don't see paypal access to a checking account as that big a deal,
ANYONE you have ever sent a check to has your account number and routing number, and is as equally capable as paypal of doing an illegal EFT. My personal experience with ebay and paypal has been pretty darn good. When I first used ebay it had been operational less than a year. I've had about 200 transactions, mostly purchases, and only 2 have been problems. In both cases the money was credited back to my paypal account after folowing dispute resolution procedures. -- There are no stupid questions, but there are lots of stupid answers. Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org |
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In article , todd
wrote: "Bruce L. Bergman" wrote in message ... On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:15:09 -0700, Too_Many_Tools wrote: Why NOT Paypal? You are open to more risk if you pay by MO or CC or personal check. snip Unless there have been major changes, the only safe way to use PayPal is to have your bank set up a totally separate firewalled checking account for PayPal to access - no automatic overdraft protection, no externally initiated drafts or transfers from your other accounts. You only leave $10 in "the PayPal checking account" until you make a purchase, then you fund that account with the purchase amount manually before closing the purchase. This is what I set up at one of my INGDirect savings accounts and it saves a lot of worry. That's exactly what I do. It's no hassle at all and gives me peace of mind. -- Help improve usenet. Kill-file Google Groups. http://improve-usenet.org/ |
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Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:15:09 -0700, Too_Many_Tools wrote: On Sep 10, 10:05 pm, GoForward wrote: On Sep 10, 9:19 pm, (DoN. Nichols) wrote: Interesting. If someone accepts *only* PayPal, then I don't bid. That simple again. Same here. Why NOT Paypal? You are open to more risk if you pay by MO or CC or personal check. Because when you set up PayPal they have a direct line to access your linked bank account - their test is to make an under $1 transfer out (like $0.12) and you tell them the exact amount as a password. (they transfer a few cents into your account, not out of it) That's interesting. I take both PayPal and regular CC's on my website and have yet to get a regular CC transaction. If I hadn't signed a 2 year agreement, I'd drop the regular CC arrangement. Bill |
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