Hi all,

I wonder what the wisdom is on choosing between a No. 7 and No. 8. I
noticed in Rob Cosman's videos that he uses the No. 8, and that he
places it in his list of the four essential planes.

If I go for a No. 8 right away, I won't be able to afford a No. 7 for
some time, so my question is whether I would miss something there. Or
vice-versa, if I go for the No. 7 to start out.

Also, which No. 7 or No. 8? Besides Lie-Nielsen and Anant, I can't
find any other No. 8, and there would be a wide range of quality there.
For No. 7, it looks like there are more options: Lie-Nielsen, Anant,
Clifton, and even some wooden options.

I also realize that my decision might be different than others who use
machine tools as well. I'm aiming to keep the AC current to a minimum
in the workshop...
Andy

I wonder what the wisdom is on choosing between a No. 7 and No. 8.

There's no wisdom and no big difference .... Simply, you don't need
both, and either will do the job.

I wonder what the wisdom is on choosing between a No. 7 and No. 8.

There's no wisdom and no big difference .... Simply, you don't need
both, and either will do the job.

I wonder what the wisdom is on choosing between a No. 7 and No. 8.

There's no wisdom and no big difference .... Simply, you don't need
both, and either will do the job.

On 18 Feb 2006 04:56:47 -0800, "Andy" wrote:

I wonder what the wisdom is on choosing between a No. 7 and No. 8.

Certainly don't buy a #8 (and maybe even a #7) until you've felt the
weight of the thing. A lot of the time I use a #6 instead, as a "short
#7" where I'm working on something smaller. The #7 only comes out for
big carcase pieces.

A #8 is also wider, which is a lot of extra weight with no benefit at
all, unless you're actually going to use that blade width. We rarely
joint timber that wide - although if you need to, it's often easier to
try and take a #8 to the clamped timber than it is to pass something
that big through a hobbyist jointer. The one thing I find my #8 really
good for is flattening tabletops.

Weight in a plane is a good thing, up to a #6 or so, then an excess of
it is bad.


As to brands, then get the Lee Valleys for new, or restore an old
Stanley.

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Andy wrote:
Hi all,

...

If I go for a No. 8 right away, I won't be able to afford a No. 7 for
some time, so my question is whether I would miss something there. Or
vice-versa, if I go for the No. 7 to start out.

Also, which No. 7 or No. 8? Besides Lie-Nielsen and Anant, I can't
find any other No. 8, and there would be a wide range of quality there.
...

#8s are considerably rarer than the #7s. It is also harder to find
cutters
for them. The Stanley benchplanes made between introduction of
the lead screw frog/mouth adjustment (Type 11) and sometime
just after WWII (Type 17) are fine planes and you should be happy
with one for a fractionof the price of a new Lie Neilsen. Even the
Bedrocks don't go for as much as a Lie Neilsen.

If you find a #8 (or 608) in good condition and it is not too heavy
for you there is no reason to get a #7 too. Don't overlook the
Sargent, Millers Falls, Union, Winchester, Ohio Tools, or 'KK'
series Keen Kutter planes either. Those were as good as Stanleys,
sometimes better. The Winchester and 'KK' series were the
same design as the Stanley Bedrocks (600 series) and were
made by Stanley for the other companies.

The Ohio Tools had a unique tapered cutter, but can be used
with a standard replacement cutter.

IMHO the older Stanleys, pre-WWII, had the most comfortable
totes.

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"Andy" wrote in news:1140267406.990716.157320
@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:

Hi all,

I wonder what the wisdom is on choosing between a No. 7 and No. 8. I
noticed in Rob Cosman's videos that he uses the No. 8, and that he
places it in his list of the four essential planes.

If I go for a No. 8 right away, I won't be able to afford a No. 7 for
some time, so my question is whether I would miss something there. Or
vice-versa, if I go for the No. 7 to start out.

Also, which No. 7 or No. 8? Besides Lie-Nielsen and Anant, I can't
find any other No. 8, and there would be a wide range of quality there.
For No. 7, it looks like there are more options: Lie-Nielsen, Anant,
Clifton, and even some wooden options.

I also realize that my decision might be different than others who use
machine tools as well. I'm aiming to keep the AC current to a minimum
in the workshop...
Andy


Greetings...

I gotta say I like the #8 better than a #7, but also I don't have a
electric jointer....I lucked up on a pair of pre-WWII Stanleys at a flea
market a few years ago, and if I had to choose, I think I'd keep the #8.
Lie-Nielsen makes a very nice replacement blade for either plane, You may
want to try making a plane yourself...Thats a real slippery slope...it's
not to hard to make a wooden smoother ( or jointer ) that will perform
every bit as well as the premium planes...the down side to that is a bit
more upkeep and the learning curve that you go thru adjusting the
plane...

I think maybe the bottom line is which one will you use the most, or
which plane is best suited to the work you need to do....

Hope this helps...

DCH

"Andy" wrote:

Hi all,

I wonder what the wisdom is on choosing between a No. 7 and No. 8. I
noticed in Rob Cosman's videos that he uses the No. 8, and that he
places it in his list of the four essential planes.

If I go for a No. 8 right away, I won't be able to afford a No. 7 for
some time, so my question is whether I would miss something there. Or
vice-versa, if I go for the No. 7 to start out.

Also, which No. 7 or No. 8? Besides Lie-Nielsen and Anant, I can't
find any other No. 8, and there would be a wide range of quality
there.
For No. 7, it looks like there are more options: Lie-Nielsen, Anant,
Clifton, and even some wooden options.

I also realize that my decision might be different than others who use
machine tools as well. I'm aiming to keep the AC current to a minimum
in the workshop...
Andy


I was stepping from foot to foot trying to make that same decision. What
I finally decided was to get either on e-bay. The first 7 or 8 SB, or
other, in decent condition and for a price I'm willing to pay will be the
one I use. So far I've bid on a few, but the market right now wants more
than I want to pay. See comments by others on weight and other
manufacturers.

Lobby Dosser wrote:
"Andy" wrote:


Hi all,

I wonder what the wisdom is on choosing between a No. 7 and No. 8. I
noticed in Rob Cosman's videos that he uses the No. 8, and that he
places it in his list of the four essential planes.

If I go for a No. 8 right away, I won't be able to afford a No. 7 for
some time, so my question is whether I would miss something there. Or
vice-versa, if I go for the No. 7 to start out.

Also, which No. 7 or No. 8? Besides Lie-Nielsen and Anant, I can't
find any other No. 8, and there would be a wide range of quality
there.
For No. 7, it looks like there are more options: Lie-Nielsen, Anant,
Clifton, and even some wooden options.

I also realize that my decision might be different than others who use
machine tools as well. I'm aiming to keep the AC current to a minimum
in the workshop...
Andy



I was stepping from foot to foot trying to make that same decision. What
I finally decided was to get either on e-bay. The first 7 or 8 SB, or
other, in decent condition and for a price I'm willing to pay will be the
one I use. So far I've bid on a few, but the market right now wants more
than I want to pay. See comments by others on weight and other
manufacturers.

I think I got lucky: an 8C for $61. Not like some gloats I've seen (a
607 for $30???) but those are saler stories...

er
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Lobby Dosser wrote:

Enoch Root wrote:

I think I got lucky: an 8C for $61. Not like some gloats I've seen
(a 607 for $30???) but those are saler stories...



Well, you Suck!

Right now none of them are going for under a hundred or so. But I can
wait.

Actually, I did as well as Enoch a couple of years back. There was one
on Ebay where a previous owner had drilled and tapped two holes for a
fence. None of the collectors wanted it :-).

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It's turtles, all the way down

Larry Blanchard wrote:

Lobby Dosser wrote:

Enoch Root wrote:

I think I got lucky: an 8C for $61. Not like some gloats I've seen
(a 607 for $30???) but those are saler stories...



Well, you Suck!

Right now none of them are going for under a hundred or so. But I can
wait.

Actually, I did as well as Enoch a couple of years back. There was one
on Ebay where a previous owner had drilled and tapped two holes for a
fence. None of the collectors wanted it :-).


Okay, so you suck too!

Bidders went nuts on another one today. None of the planes I've been
looking at seem to be Real collectors items, but bidding frenzy seems to
overtake the tool junkies more than 'normal' folks.

Larry Blanchard wrote:
Lobby Dosser wrote:


Enoch Root wrote:


I think I got lucky: an 8C for $61. Not like some gloats I've seen
(a 607 for $30???) but those are saler stories...



Well, you Suck!

Right now none of them are going for under a hundred or so. But I can
wait.


Actually, I did as well as Enoch a couple of years back. There was one
on Ebay where a previous owner had drilled and tapped two holes for a
fence. None of the collectors wanted it :-).

Well, there you go. I had to replace the severely pitted blade on mine.
Looks good with Hock steel, anyway.

er
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Lobby Dosser wrote:
Larry Blanchard wrote:


Lobby Dosser wrote:


Enoch Root wrote:


I think I got lucky: an 8C for $61. Not like some gloats I've seen
(a 607 for $30???) but those are saler stories...



Well, you Suck!

Right now none of them are going for under a hundred or so. But I can
wait.

Actually, I did as well as Enoch a couple of years back. There was one
on Ebay where a previous owner had drilled and tapped two holes for a
fence. None of the collectors wanted it :-).



Okay, so you suck too!

Bidders went nuts on another one today. None of the planes I've been
looking at seem to be Real collectors items, but bidding frenzy seems to
overtake the tool junkies more than 'normal' folks.

There's a wave action to all of it. I noticed it went through the roof
as xmas approached, and dropped down again mid-January through Feb. or
so. And you say it's going up again? I'm just glad it's over for me
now that I have the basic compliment of planes. *knock* *knock*

er
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Lobby Dosser wrote:
Enoch Root wrote:


Lobby Dosser wrote:

Larry Blanchard wrote:



Lobby Dosser wrote:



Enoch Root wrote:



I think I got lucky: an 8C for $61. Not like some gloats I've
seen (a 607 for $30???) but those are saler stories...



Well, you Suck!

Right now none of them are going for under a hundred or so. But I
can wait.

Actually, I did as well as Enoch a couple of years back. There was
one on Ebay where a previous owner had drilled and tapped two holes
for a fence. None of the collectors wanted it :-).



Okay, so you suck too!

Bidders went nuts on another one today. None of the planes I've been
looking at seem to be Real collectors items, but bidding frenzy seems
to overtake the tool junkies more than 'normal' folks.

There's a wave action to all of it. I noticed it went through the
roof as xmas approached, and dropped down again mid-January through
Feb. or so. And you say it's going up again? I'm just glad it's over
for me now that I have the basic compliment of planes. *knock* *knock*

er


You just Think you have the basic complement of planes. There was a real
nice wooden plow plane went for $1200+ today.

My current project plan outlines a panel raising plane. I just have to
figure out all the angles, and it's go.

From now on, any plane I need, I make it. Thanks for the reminder...

er
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Enoch Root wrote:

Lobby Dosser wrote:
Enoch Root wrote:


Lobby Dosser wrote:

Larry Blanchard wrote:



Lobby Dosser wrote:



Enoch Root wrote:



I think I got lucky: an 8C for $61. Not like some gloats I've
seen (a 607 for $30???) but those are saler stories...



Well, you Suck!

Right now none of them are going for under a hundred or so. But I
can wait.

Actually, I did as well as Enoch a couple of years back. There was
one on Ebay where a previous owner had drilled and tapped two holes
for a fence. None of the collectors wanted it :-).



Okay, so you suck too!

Bidders went nuts on another one today. None of the planes I've been
looking at seem to be Real collectors items, but bidding frenzy
seems to overtake the tool junkies more than 'normal' folks.

There's a wave action to all of it. I noticed it went through the
roof as xmas approached, and dropped down again mid-January through
Feb. or so. And you say it's going up again? I'm just glad it's
over for me now that I have the basic compliment of planes. *knock*
*knock*

er


You just Think you have the basic complement of planes. There was a
real nice wooden plow plane went for $1200+ today.

My current project plan outlines a panel raising plane. I just have
to figure out all the angles, and it's go.

From now on, any plane I need, I make it. Thanks for the reminder...


Got an 8C today in my price range, but I had to snipe. Don't know how
I'll live with the shame. ;o)

I was shooting for less than half the LV version - including shipping.
I'll see how well I did when it gets here.

Oh, and thanks for the roll your own reminder. I stumbled across a 3 foot
long oak 4x4 in the shop yesterday and couldn't remember why I bought it.
Now I remember. Had a price sticker on it - five bucks.

er

Lobby Dosser wrote:
Enoch Root wrote:

From now on, any plane I need, I make it. Thanks for the reminder...



Got an 8C today in my price range, but I had to snipe. Don't know how
I'll live with the shame. ;o)

I prefer to call it "late bidding", and see no stigma. There is a guy
that follows my bids around, has one sale to his (everchanging) name,
and who knows not what he'll pay, only that it is a dollar more than I
will. I must needs gird my self against his randomness.

If I bid late, the only thing I need fear is that two of them find my
interest themselves and each decide to outbid the other.

I was shooting for less than half the LV version - including shipping.
I'll see how well I did when it gets here.

Couldn't find a LV version of the 8c...

Oh, and thanks for the roll your own reminder. I stumbled across a 3 foot
long oak 4x4 in the shop yesterday and couldn't remember why I bought it.
Now I remember. Had a price sticker on it - five bucks.

Oooaah. I've been rolling my own thicker stock, too. You suck.

er
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Enoch Root wrote:

I prefer to call it "late bidding", and see no stigma. There is a guy
that follows my bids around, has one sale to his (everchanging) name,
and who knows not what he'll pay, only that it is a dollar more than I
will. I must needs gird my self against his randomness.

All's fair in love and auctions. Sniping can be annoying if you don't
do it yourself. There are sniping web sites and software that will
submit the bid for you. You can be ****ed off about the technique or
use it to your advantage. Tilting at windmills to fight it.

There's one guy that I would follow to check his bids because he did an
_amazing_ job of ferreting out the most misplaced, miscategorized,
misspelled and mis-tery auctions. I ran across him while doing my
usual search routines and found his moniker popped up very frequently.
He's in the business of buying and selling tools and apparently spends
many, many hours a week combing eBay. It was more of an efficient way
for me to spend my eBay time than trying to outbid him. I don't recall
ever winning an auction he bid on, and he wasn't always the high
bidder.

R