Argh, tools, TOOLS! (power tools to be exact) I could use a router and
I see a nice reconditioned Dewalt for an excellent price. I can use
this to smooth up my edges for joining my wood, as I understand it.

But I just bought a Nice Miter saw, then found I can use the table saw
for 90% of my miter cuts. So I spend $145 and didnt even use the thing
yet for this project but only the table saw

Now Im thinking I could use a Jointer but this is just out of hand.

Im in Michigan, Detroit. Is there perhaps some way to rent these kinds
of tools or rent a shop for a while? Sure I can probably afford a few
tools but I don't want to waste money when I could easily share tools
for the amount of work I actually do. And I'd hate to buy another tool
to not use it. Hand tools are fine though, I seem to be using every one
I can find and buy




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Thank you,



"Then said I, Wisdom [is] better than strength: nevertheless the poor
man's wisdom [is] despised, and his words are not heard." Ecclesiastes 9:16

Not sure about tool rentals, but I'd recommend the router. I got a
reconditioned Dewalt router a year or so ago, and I've never regreted
it. I just got the plunge base from eBay to go with it. It can be
used to smooth up edges for jointing, especially when used in a table
with a fence designed for jointing - google 'router table jointer' for
some tips there. The router is overall a very versatile tool, probably
moreso than the miter saw. The miter saw is safer and maybe more
accurate for crosscuts and miters than the TS, though, so you might
want to consider that. On the other hand, if you want to give me your
miter saw, I'd be willing to help you clear up some space in your shop
for your new router...
Seriously, as difficult as it is, I'm trying to learn how to buy tools
as I really need them, and not just because they're cool, I could use
them someday, or they're on sale.
Good luck dealing with your addiction, and I'm sure you'll find plenty
of consolation here.
Andy

dnoyeB wrote:

And I'd
hate to buy another tool to not use it. Hand tools are fine
though, I seem to be using every one I can find and buy

Tool addictions are common. I have a few buddies that buy tools left
and right and use them very little, if at all.

In large part, the basis for an unreasonable tool addiction is lack of
skill or knowledge. There is an underlying belief that lack of skill
or knowledge can be offset with "the proper tools". Hence someone with
an ample budget may start accumulating tools without increasing any
skill or knowledge. As skill and knowledge increase, and the number of
projects tackled increses, you'll find you can do more with less and
the purchase of tools becomes a matter of true necessity rather than
lack of skill or knowledge.

I also teach people basic HTML. It's common to see people accumulate
various fancy software that they hope will enable them to do this that
or the other thing, when what they really need for now is basic
knowledge and basic skills.

I realize that all comes off as a little dicky and a little
highbrowed, but that's how I see it.

Joe Barta

On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:02:00 -0500, dnoyeB
wrote:

Is there perhaps some way to rent these kinds
of tools or rent a shop for a while?

The Delta industrial dealer nearest me have machines set up and
available for use by prospect buyers, not that I could walk in with
the rough stock for a project and joint it. But they will allow
sometime to play.

Mark
(sixoneeight) = 618

"Andy" wrote:

Seriously, as difficult as it is, I'm trying to learn how to buy tools
as I really need them, and not just because they're cool, I could use
them someday, or they're on sale.

Oh, I'd never ever do that. No, never! However, I will buy a tool on
sale if it is one I know that I will use a lot. In fact, I just took
one such tool (that I bought on sale because I knew I would use it a
lot) out of its box and into the shelves, and when I went to file my
sales receipt and warranty info, found out that the often-to-be-used
bargain had been sitting in my shop unopened for 18 months! Yeah, I
only buy a tool when I really need it!
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Must not buy tools?

Are you INSANE? If you are a GUY, you MUST buy tools. Until you
die...that's the 'murican way!

Dave

Brian,

You are going at this whole thing wrong!

The idea is to dig high and low to look for any real or imaginary rational
that allows you to purchase a tool.

Trying to rationalize why you don't need a tool or how you can make a tool
do multiple tasks is just not the norm!

Then in no time at all you'll be planning the expansion of your shop!

Don Dando


dnoyeB wrote in message
. ..
Argh, tools, TOOLS! (power tools to be exact) I could use a router and
I see a nice reconditioned Dewalt for an excellent price. I can use
this to smooth up my edges for joining my wood, as I understand it.

But I just bought a Nice Miter saw, then found I can use the table saw
for 90% of my miter cuts. So I spend $145 and didnt even use the thing
yet for this project but only the table saw

Now Im thinking I could use a Jointer but this is just out of hand.

Im in Michigan, Detroit. Is there perhaps some way to rent these kinds
of tools or rent a shop for a while? Sure I can probably afford a few
tools but I don't want to waste money when I could easily share tools
for the amount of work I actually do. And I'd hate to buy another tool
to not use it. Hand tools are fine though, I seem to be using every one
I can find and buy




--
Thank you,



"Then said I, Wisdom [is] better than strength: nevertheless the poor
man's wisdom [is] despised, and his words are not heard." Ecclesiastes
9:16

You're in the wrong room for this kind of post.
visit rec.mywife.runs.mylife

Dave

Argh, tools, TOOLS! (power tools to be exact) I could use a router and I
see a nice reconditioned Dewalt for an excellent price. I can use this to
smooth up my edges for joining my wood, as I understand it.

But I just bought a Nice Miter saw, then found I can use the table saw for
90% of my miter cuts. So I spend $145 and didnt even use the thing yet
for this project but only the table saw

Now Im thinking I could use a Jointer but this is just out of hand.

Im in Michigan, Detroit. Is there perhaps some way to rent these kinds of
tools or rent a shop for a while? Sure I can probably afford a few tools
but I don't want to waste money when I could easily share tools for the
amount of work I actually do. And I'd hate to buy another tool to not use
it. Hand tools are fine though, I seem to be using every one I can find
and buy



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Joe Barta wrote:
dnoyeB wrote:


And I'd
hate to buy another tool to not use it. Hand tools are fine
though, I seem to be using every one I can find and buy


Tool addictions are common. I have a few buddies that buy tools left
and right and use them very little, if at all.

In large part, the basis for an unreasonable tool addiction is lack of
skill or knowledge. There is an underlying belief that lack of skill
or knowledge can be offset with "the proper tools". Hence someone with
an ample budget may start accumulating tools without increasing any
skill or knowledge. As skill and knowledge increase, and the number of
projects tackled increses, you'll find you can do more with less and
the purchase of tools becomes a matter of true necessity rather than
lack of skill or knowledge.


I worked on cars since i was 16 and my mom told me only way for it to
run was if I made it run. I had junk tools and had to work very hard
and long time to get things to behave. Then I learn the hard way that
doing a job without proper tools can greatly extend the job as well as
the frustration. So I come to a deadstop when I dont have proper tools.
So I have a great appreciation of the proper tools.

I think in woodworking I don't quite know what the proper tools are so I
concede that. But i have learned that I can use a router for making an
edge joint quality. and maybe even a hand planer with a bit of sand paper.

I also teach people basic HTML. It's common to see people accumulate
various fancy software that they hope will enable them to do this that
or the other thing, when what they really need for now is basic
knowledge and basic skills.


Yea, I used to use simple HTML programs. Then found Net objects fusion
and loved it. Then I bought both MS front page and adobe (something).
Both far more capable and more complicated. In the end I gave them away
and am back to using netobjects fusion because it does all I really
need... This is the kind of knowledge I wish I could get the easy way
in woodworking :P


I think perhaps if I can set up a budget and some rules like 2 week cool
off period, I can maybe not feel guilty. But the tools are seducing me.

Its very comforting to hear that other people have had tools on their
shelves for months without using them. Like I been feeling bad about
this big metal hand miter contraption my dad rediscovered in the
basement of one of his apartments and gave me along with circular saw.
I threw out the miter contraption, but now I know what it was and could
have used it. I have the circular saw but will need to replace it since
its motor sits too low and interfers with my fencing attempts.

but I have a hand planer I used years ago on a door at my mothers house.
I didn't know what it was, but I do now and should be using it soon
after I sharpen it. Thats a great feeling to use something you held on
to for so long. Especially the more exotic tools \o/

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Thank you,



"Then said I, Wisdom [is] better than strength: nevertheless the poor
man's wisdom [is] despised, and his words are not heard." Ecclesiastes 9:16

Teamcasa wrote:

You're in the wrong room for this kind of post.
visit rec.mywife.runs.mylife

Dave

You wouldn't be suggesting he's p*ssy whipped are you, Dave?

Dave

In article ,
dnoyeB wrote:

Argh, tools, TOOLS! (power tools to be exact) I could use a router and
I see a nice reconditioned Dewalt for an excellent price. I can use
this to smooth up my edges for joining my wood, as I understand it.

But I just bought a Nice Miter saw, then found I can use the table saw
for 90% of my miter cuts. So I spend $145 and didnt even use the thing
yet for this project but only the table saw

Now Im thinking I could use a Jointer but this is just out of hand.

Im in Michigan, Detroit. Is there perhaps some way to rent these kinds
of tools or rent a shop for a while? Sure I can probably afford a few
tools but I don't want to waste money when I could easily share tools
for the amount of work I actually do. And I'd hate to buy another tool
to not use it. Hand tools are fine though, I seem to be using every one
I can find and buy

A friend of mine bought a very large SnapOn open end wrench.
He has it wrapped in a blue velvet piece of material. He saw it on a SnapOn
truck, thought the chroming was exquisite and bought it for looks.
Once in a while, he'll pull it out of his desk drawer, shines it up, (can't have
any finger prints on it) and puts it back in his desk drawer. That wrench will
NEVER see a nut or bolt, 'cuz it might scratch it.... the wrench that is.

Other than that, he's a normal upstanding member of the community, very
respected in his business dealings and just a great guy.

I still feel the need to have a talk with him. About that wrench and his
uncontrollable pleasure when he found a mint-condition "convenience-store-type"
vacuum tube tester with a full inventory of brand new tubes in the bottom
cabinet. It has a very prominent place in his play room..and NO fingerprints on
any of the tubes. Yup.. right beside the Lancaster Bomber radio and landing gear
strut.

I should talk.. I have a Lamello Classic which I won't use. Too clean and neat
to be used... and there ain't gonna be no woman telling ME what to buy for tools!

Now, about that 9-foot Bosendorfer in my laundry room...

Don Dando wrote:

Brian,

You are going at this whole thing wrong!

The idea is to dig high and low to look for any real or imaginary
rational that allows you to purchase a tool.

Trying to rationalize why you don't need a tool or how you can
make a tool do multiple tasks is just not the norm!

Then in no time at all you'll be planning the expansion of your
shop!

I'm with you, screw the woodworking... tool collecting is MUCH more
enjoyable hobby ;-)

Joe Barta

It's called "toolgasms". Got it really bad. We recently moved into a
warehouse (15,000 sf) to hopefully house everything. Already running out
of space. A friend calls that his business has some old machines to get rid
of, a Wallace mortiser, Delta/Rockwell VS drill press, a Dewalt/B&D 5hp 16"
radial arm saw and two glue welders. Seems one of the buildings they were
using got sold by the landlord. Would YOU walk away at $250???? I
couldn't. Things just happen. Belger truck showed up with two sanders the
same color. The wife thought it was one machine over 20' long. She came
out to the warehouse to inquire as to the location of my head. I think she
was relieved to find it was two machines. Johannsen 4X8 stroke and a Ramsa
24" 25hp belt sanders. Well, I might need 'em. I'll show her, one of these
days. (I hope!). She hasn't found a cure for me yet. Probably timely I'm
selling the machine guns. Had to to pay for the building rehab. Oh well.
We won't go into the machine shop and welding stuff. Did I mention I have a
WONDERFUL wife???? I would give up all the rest before her though. Anyone
need a Rockwell Mill (V & H)??
Ron

"brianlanning" wrote in message
oups.com...
It's an illness. :-) I have a contractor's table saw, 14" band saw, 2
drill presses, planer, miter saw, leigh jig, belt/disk sander,
mortiser, dust collector, scroll saw, little compressor, tormek, three
nailers, about a half a dozen routers, and a herd of other hand power
tools.

I'm still missing a jointer, bigger planer, bigger compressor, hplv
gun, spindle sander, edge sander, drum sander, air cleaner, bigger
cyclone dust collector, 21" bandsaw, downdraft table, vacuum press,
moulding machine. Oh, a multi-router would be nice. And I'd like to
upgrade from by contractor's saw to that awsome-looking grizzly 12"
table saw. Two table saws! And a bigger miter saw, a slider because
my 10" delta chop saw sucks. And I need an out-building to store the
stuff in the garage, I mean shop, that shouldn't be there. And while
we're at it, how about a 2000sqft outbuilding with heated wood floors,
AC, separate finishing room, a separate room for the DC and compressor
and a sink and bathroom... and a couch so my wife will feel like being
out there with me. Then there's lighting which is good but still
inadequate. And I haven't even mentioned turning. And I'm dying to
get into stained glass for the panels in doors instead of raised panel
doors. And I saw this modern masters episode a few years ago where
thie guy used a die grinder on a lathe with water as a coolant to sand
down these green granite legs that he attached to the end of the legs
on this table. It was awesome. Then I have two bizarre
computer-controlled machines "designed" in my head that I want to make.
Did you know a 50" wide belt sander costs less than what most people
spend on a car? And maybe I should get that 20" planer instead of the
15" planer, cry once and all. I could keep going and going.

I went out to the grizzly website and picked all the tools I didn't
have yet. I made a money-is-no-object list and put it in the shopping
cart. I didn't even include the $15k wide belt sander and I got over
$30,000.

feel better? :-)

brian

"Robatoy"
snip
I should talk.. I have a Lamello Classic which I won't use. Too clean and
neat
to be used... and there ain't gonna be no woman telling ME what to buy for
tools!

Now, about that 9-foot Bosendorfer in my laundry room...

You have a grand piano in your laundry room? It must be one sweet laundry
room?
Dave



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I knew a fellow once who always signed up for the adult ed woodshop class at
his local high school. He said it gave him guaranteed time in the shop each
week, plus it gave him access to all these BIG tools he didn't have room for
and probably couldn't afford even if he did have room.

BruceT


"dnoyeB" wrote in message
. ..
Argh, tools, TOOLS! (power tools to be exact) I could use a router and I
see a nice reconditioned Dewalt for an excellent price. I can use this to
smooth up my edges for joining my wood, as I understand it.

But I just bought a Nice Miter saw, then found I can use the table saw for
90% of my miter cuts. So I spend $145 and didnt even use the thing yet
for this project but only the table saw

Now Im thinking I could use a Jointer but this is just out of hand.

Im in Michigan, Detroit. Is there perhaps some way to rent these kinds of
tools or rent a shop for a while? Sure I can probably afford a few tools
but I don't want to waste money when I could easily share tools for the
amount of work I actually do. And I'd hate to buy another tool to not use
it. Hand tools are fine though, I seem to be using every one I can find
and buy




--
Thank you,



"Then said I, Wisdom [is] better than strength: nevertheless the poor
man's wisdom [is] despised, and his words are not heard." Ecclesiastes
9:16

In article ,
"Teamcasa" wrote:

"Robatoy"
snip
I should talk.. I have a Lamello Classic which I won't use. Too clean and
neat
to be used... and there ain't gonna be no woman telling ME what to buy for
tools!

Now, about that 9-foot Bosendorfer in my laundry room...

You have a grand piano in your laundry room? It must be one sweet laundry
room?
Dave

Throw a couple of workboots in the dryer for that rythm section, oh
yeah...


I wish. A guy can dream, right?

Bosendorfer is one of those companies that never compromised. A great
role model.

Robatoy wrote:

Bosendorfer is one of those companies that never compromised. A
great role model.

Interesting thought... about not compromising. More specifically, that
"compromising" is somehow bad.

In an idealistic world "everything" is made to "the highest quality".
In reality though, it's easy to see how that notion falls apart. Even
the highest quality goods, relatively speaking, have compromises.
There is no such thing as the "highest" quality because goods can
always be made better.

In reality it's all about finding your market. The market for high end
goods is just as legitimate and just as honorable as the low end.
Where consumers get into trouble is buying low end while expecting
high end. Where manufacturers get into trouble is in the area of
misrepresentation.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that a manufacturer of a cheaper
item can be just as much of a role model as a manufacturer of an
expensive one.

It's late and I'm babbling... sorry.

Joe Barta

Robatoy wrote:
In article ,
"Teamcasa" wrote:

"Robatoy"
snip
I should talk.. I have a Lamello Classic which I won't use. Too clean and
neat
to be used... and there ain't gonna be no woman telling ME what to buy for
tools!

Now, about that 9-foot Bosendorfer in my laundry room...

You have a grand piano in your laundry room? It must be one sweet laundry
room?
Dave

Throw a couple of workboots in the dryer for that rythm section, oh
yeah...


I wish. A guy can dream, right?

Bosendorfer is one of those companies that never compromised. A great
role model.

Robatoy, this is a _complete troll_ on your part and I recognize that!!

You're just looking for someone to say "Bosendorfer? They suck! You
should have gotten a Hamburg Steinway!"

Then someone else to say "Hamburg? Buy American, you *******, the NY
Steinway hammers sound better anyway!"

Then someone else will chime in with "a well-tuned Mason & Hamlin is
cheaper and will get you 90% of the way there..."

Then some &^%$er will chime in about rigging one for 220, and after
that we're off to the races about which way the *&^%ing lid should
tilt.

Well I've just saved everyone the time and trouble, so no need to go
there. Robatoy is just trolling.

Just trolling. I recognize that.

p.s. For the money, I'd go Boston anyway...made by Steinway and they
have much better dust collection.

In article .com,
wrote:

Robatoy, this is a _complete troll_ on your part and I recognize that!!

You're just looking for someone to say "Bosendorfer? They suck!

You couldn't possibly be more wrong. Period.

But you got to show off that you can Google piano manufacturers' names. I can't
remember the last time I was this impressed.

Thanks for sharing.


(..a concert grand in a laundry room doesn't even appear suspiciously silly to
you??)

Robatoy wrote:
In article .com,
wrote:

Robatoy, this is a _complete troll_ on your part and I recognize that!!

You're just looking for someone to say "Bosendorfer? They suck!

You couldn't possibly be more wrong. Period.

But you got to show off that you can Google piano manufacturers' names. I can't
remember the last time I was this impressed.

Thanks for sharing.


No, you couldn't possibly be more wrong. My post a JOKE! You of all
people I thought would recognize that.

And for the record, I Googled nothing. I've played every one of the
pianos named. I'm torn between the power of the NY Steinway and the
nuance of the Hamburg. Different pieces play better on different
pianos. And when budget/living space permit, I'll have a NY Model B.

wrote in message
ups.com...

Robatoy wrote:
In article .com,
wrote:

Robatoy, this is a _complete troll_ on your part and I recognize that!!

You're just looking for someone to say "Bosendorfer? They suck!

You couldn't possibly be more wrong. Period.

But you got to show off that you can Google piano manufacturers' names. I
can't
remember the last time I was this impressed.

Thanks for sharing.


No, you couldn't possibly be more wrong. My post a JOKE! You of all
people I thought would recognize that.

And for the record, I Googled nothing. I've played every one of the
pianos named. I'm torn between the power of the NY Steinway and the
nuance of the Hamburg. Different pieces play better on different
pianos. And when budget/living space permit, I'll have a NY Model B.

I'm stunned, *STUNNED* do you hear me, that no-one has mentioned Fazioli
yet.

Humph.

David, who when the piano moved out filled the spoace with an upright
bass...

David O'Heare wrote:

I'm stunned, *STUNNED* do you hear me, that no-one has mentioned Fazioli
yet.

Humph.

David, who when the piano moved out filled the spoace with an upright
bass...

That's the one super-high-ender I've never played. Sure does have a
following, though.

Tough to find here in the States. I take it you like? What's the
sound/action like compared to the others?

In article . com,
wrote:

No, you couldn't possibly be more wrong. My post a JOKE! You of all
people I thought would recognize that.

Sorry.. you caught me between Coffee #1 and Coffee #2.
YES!.. I do see the wry tongue-in-cheek now... my apologies.

But look what you started...lol.. Fazioli????
I know very little about pianos. I was blown away by Tori Amos doing her thing
with a Bosendorfer and immediately noticed the awesome power of the instrument.
I had been exposed to the beauty of the craftsmanship before at a Swiss hotel
and it left quite an impression on me as a kid.

Robatoy wrote:
In article . com,
wrote:

No, you couldn't possibly be more wrong. My post a JOKE! You of all
people I thought would recognize that.

Sorry.. you caught me between Coffee #1 and Coffee #2.
YES!.. I do see the wry tongue-in-cheek now... my apologies.

But look what you started...lol.. Fazioli????
I know very little about pianos. I was blown away by Tori Amos doing her thing
with a Bosendorfer and immediately noticed the awesome power of the instrument.
I had been exposed to the beauty of the craftsmanship before at a Swiss hotel
and it left quite an impression on me as a kid.

It's like they say in the NBA...no autopsy, no foul.

A lot of the power from that Bosendorfer, depending on the size/model,
could have come from the fact that they have several "extra" keys on
the bass end...instead of the normal 88 keys, they have 90-some-odd.
Supposed to give the instrument extra resonance.

Truly an awesome instrument.

Periodically, when I want to see what the high-water mark of
woodworking is, I look inside my piano at the action. Talk about
precision. And mine's a POS compared to the afore-mentioned models...

p.s. For the record, I wrote my original post before I even had coffee
# 1...re-reading it under the sunny haze of Starbucks # 3, I can see
where it could easily have been mistaken as serious...my bad. Lesson
learned...NEVER post to the wreck until I'm at least partway through
coffee # 2.

Just watch Norm on TV. His workshop and tools would challenge Bill
Gate's budget but my cable TV bill is only $55 per month.

In article .com,
wrote:

Truly an awesome instrument.

Indeed. Here's a shot of one somewhat like the one I couldn't be torn away from.

http://www.savagerecords.com/images/...tisanpiano.jpg

Hey, _I_ saw the humor. It was a spot on parody of any of five hundred
threads I've read in this forum over the past year.

Bill

wrote in message
ups.com...

David O'Heare wrote:

I'm stunned, *STUNNED* do you hear me, that no-one has mentioned Fazioli
yet.

Tough to find here in the States. I take it you like? What's the
sound/action like compared to the others?

Sorry, I've never even seen one in the flesh, as it were. Heck, I'm not
even a piano player.

Taking things further away from the OP, I did play a stunning parlor-sized
guitar last week. Built by Oskar Graf in Clarendon, ON, it was *wonderful*.
It was also worth on the order of $7000, I think. And worth it.

Dave O'Heare

"warbler" wrote in message
oups.com...
Just watch Norm on TV. His workshop and tools would challenge Bill
Gate's budget but my cable TV bill is only $55 per month.


Actually Norm's tools are towards the low end. Hang around the Felder forum
on Yahoo for a while.

Joe Barta wrote:
In large part, the basis for an unreasonable tool addiction is lack of
skill or knowledge. There is an underlying belief that lack of skill
or knowledge can be offset with "the proper tools". Hence someone with
an ample budget may start accumulating tools without increasing any
skill or knowledge. As skill and knowledge increase, and the number of
projects tackled increses, you'll find you can do more with less and
the purchase of tools becomes a matter of true necessity rather than
lack of skill or knowledge.

For what it's worth, a lot of my unreasonable tool addiction impulses
come from the fact that I simply don't have _time_ to do much
woodworking these days, and buying a tool is still doing something
that's related to woodworking. This is, luckily, tempered by the fact
that I also have no space to put things.

(Actually, the last few months, I've made a bit of time for woodworking
by completely taking a break from spending time on one of my other
hobbies. The result is that I've spent notably more on stuff for the
other hobby than I have on woodworking tools.)

Thing is, I'm pretty sure that even with skill and knowledge, this "true
necessity" of which you speak can still lead to a few thousand dollars
of good woodworking tools. Sure, I could joint the edge of the hard oak
barn boards I've been working with by hand with a plane, but doing it on
a jointer takes substantially less time. And, what with the lack of
time I was talking about above, that's worth a fair bit.

- Brooks


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dnoyeB wrote:
I worked on cars since i was 16 and my mom told me only way for it to
run was if I made it run. I had junk tools and had to work very hard
and long time to get things to behave. Then I learn the hard way that
doing a job without proper tools can greatly extend the job as well as
the frustration. So I come to a deadstop when I dont have proper tools.
So I have a great appreciation of the proper tools.

I think in woodworking I don't quite know what the proper tools are so I
concede that. But i have learned that I can use a router for making an
edge joint quality. and maybe even a hand planer with a bit of sand paper.

So why are you saying "must ... not ... buy ... tools" about the router?
Your desire to buy it doesn't sound like the "unreasonable tool
addiction" Joe was talking about.

I think perhaps if I can set up a budget and some rules like 2 week cool
off period, I can maybe not feel guilty. But the tools are seducing me.

Story, perhaps with a moral: I bought a handsaw and miter guide at an
antique store, because I'd been wanting one for a while and this one was
a quite nice one, and also kinda because the seller talked me into it
and convinced me I was getting a deal. (My wife was a bit upset with me
because she thought I was making an impulse buy and that I'd been had.)
And I got home, and at some point was looking around online for
similar things, and discovered that the updated version of the one I
bought was practically identical and just as good, and sells, new, for
$20 less than what I paid for mine.

And so I learned something. Specifically, I learned what it feels like
when someone's talking me into an overpriced deal on something that I
sort of want but don't really need. If I can recognize that next time
somebody tries it, that's probably worth well more than the twenty dollars.

Routers are, as such things go, not all that expensive and they don't
take up too much space. Maybe in this case it's worth the learning
experience even if you don't end up using it much....

- Brooks


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