warning worth repeating
 

I know everyone here knows how important it is to use hydrolic hinges
on the lids of chests but....I just had to write this. This weekend my
neighbor's 2 year old granddaughter was knocked unconcious and
suffocated. I'm writing this to ask you to think about your families,
friends, neighbors, babysitters,,,that have chests in their homes and
remind them to have hydrolic hinges on them. I realized myself after
this accident that I have an antique steamer trunk in my basement. I
now have an excuse to get rid of the junk stored in it and the trunk
can go on the slabwood pile for all I care. Jana

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As a father of 8 (one is 3, two are infants), this kind of stuff scares
the daylights out of me. In addition to the slow-close hinges, the
bottom of the trunk or chest needs to have holes or some other way for
air to circulate. Maybe it's a good idea for the lid to have
stand-offs or something to keep a 1/2" gap between the box and the lid
at all times.

brian

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I realize having the lid unattached would keep a child from being
locked inside only if the child intentionally crawled in it but I
think you should put "fixing" it with the hinges on your list. I wasn't
completely clear in my discription. I believe Chelsey's head was caught
in the lid so she would have technically been strangled. I guess, as a
mother, the word suffocation is possibly less gut wrenching to write
rather than strangled....I just think having enough hinges on them so
you actually have to push the lid down to close it (and it should never
lock) would be the best solution. I also like Brian's ideas of the air
holes. I just mainly wrote this because if something like this has to
happen, a lesson should come from it.

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"brianlanning" wrote in message
ups.com...
As a father of 8 (one is 3, two are infants), this kind of stuff scares
the daylights out of me. In addition to the slow-close hinges, the
bottom of the trunk or chest needs to have holes or some other way for
air to circulate. Maybe it's a good idea for the lid to have
stand-offs or something to keep a 1/2" gap between the box and the lid
at all times.

The top is for adults. I wouldn't bother with one for the purpose of
holding toys out of the middle of the floor. Pneumatics, hydraulics and
springs fail as well. Is the sight of those toys so disturbing that you'd
risk a kid? Not me. Add a lid after the kid's grown or use a temporary
table top that stores behind if you need the thing as furniture.

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I know everyone here knows how important it is to use hydrolic hinges
on the lids of chests but....I just had to write this. This weekend my
neighbor's 2 year old granddaughter was knocked unconcious and
suffocated. I'm writing this to ask you to think about your families,
friends, neighbors, babysitters,,,that have chests in their homes and
remind them to have hydrolic hinges on them. I realized myself after
this accident that I have an antique steamer trunk in my basement. I
now have an excuse to get rid of the junk stored in it and the trunk
can go on the slabwood pile for all I care. Jana


Jana THANKS for sharing. Friend of mine just built a very large Mahogany
blanket chest for a friend family of his, intents to line it with aromatic ceder.
It's got this huge heavy lid on a free flowing piano hinge that could no doubt
kill a kid! ... or a little toddler.

I will relay your message to him.

--
Alex - "newbie_neander" woodworker
cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com
not my site: http://www.e-sword.net/

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I meant blanket chests and the like.

brian

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"brianlanning" writes:
As a father of 8 (one is 3, two are infants), this kind of stuff scares
the daylights out of me. In addition to the slow-close hinges, the
bottom of the trunk or chest needs to have holes or some other way for
air to circulate. Maybe it's a good idea for the lid to have
stand-offs or something to keep a 1/2" gap between the box and the lid
at all times.

brian


Man, how did humanity ever survive 15 centuries of chests with locking lids?

scott

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Tue, Jan 31, 2006, 9:52am (EST-3) doth advise us
all:
I know everyone here knows how important it is to use hydrolic hinges on
the lids of chests snip

I certainly don't know that. What I DO know is that it seems like
there's quite a bit that's not been said.

Why was a 2 yo unsupervised?

Why was the top open? And, why did it fall? Why wasn't the chest
locked in the first place? Why wasn't an adult around in the first
place? I'd never have let my grandkid out of my sight at that age.

I've long stated that I don't believe in tops for toy boxes/chests
for little kids. Actually, untill they get to maybe 9 or 10 - old
enough to not climb in one. I also believe they should NOT have a latch
on them. In any event, with a top on any toy box, there should be an
air gap, or holes. You got one kid, with a top, kid climbs in, shuts
the lid, no prob - IF the lid dos not have a latch, and the box can
allow air in. Kids do that, no biggie. However, there is always the
chance the kid is gonna drop the top on their head, or hands - if it's a
light top, no big deal, the kid probably will only do that once. You
got two kids, one is gonna bang the other's head, and/or hands, with the
top, and if one climbs in, the other is gonna sit on the lid. And, if
it's got a latchl, the kid outside is as apt as not to walk away. Whan
the kid gets old enough to get over all that, "then" you can put a lid
on, so it can be used as a seat.

I've got a military footlocker. The kind with the metal reinforced
corners, and a heavy lid. I've had it since long before my sons were
born. They were not allowed to play with it - not that it was kept
around where they played. I sincerely doubt they would have been able
to get it open anyway, but it they could have, it certainly had a lid
heavy enough to seriously hurt them.

I've found out that if you talk to a kid, and tell them they'll get
hurt by playing with something, they'll usually listen; not just tell
them "no".

So, again, why was a kid so young unsupervised enough that
something like that would happen?




JOAT
Shhh... that's the sound of nobody caring what you think.

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J T wrote:
Tue, Jan 31, 2006, 9:52am (EST-3) doth advise us
all:
I know everyone here knows how important it is to use hydrolic hinges on
the lids of chests snip

I certainly don't know that. What I DO know is that it seems like
there's quite a bit that's not been said.

Why was a 2 yo unsupervised?

Why was the top open? And, why did it fall? Why wasn't the chest
locked in the first place? Why wasn't an adult around in the first
place? I'd never have let my grandkid out of my sight at that age.

I've long stated that I don't believe in tops for toy boxes/chests
for little kids. Actually, untill they get to maybe 9 or 10 - old
enough to not climb in one. I also believe they should NOT have a latch
on them. In any event, with a top on any toy box, there should be an
air gap, or holes. You got one kid, with a top, kid climbs in, shuts
the lid, no prob - IF the lid dos not have a latch, and the box can
allow air in. Kids do that, no biggie. However, there is always the
chance the kid is gonna drop the top on their head, or hands - if it's a
light top, no big deal, the kid probably will only do that once. You
got two kids, one is gonna bang the other's head, and/or hands, with the
top, and if one climbs in, the other is gonna sit on the lid. And, if
it's got a latchl, the kid outside is as apt as not to walk away. Whan
the kid gets old enough to get over all that, "then" you can put a lid
on, so it can be used as a seat.

I've got a military footlocker. The kind with the metal reinforced
corners, and a heavy lid. I've had it since long before my sons were
born. They were not allowed to play with it - not that it was kept
around where they played. I sincerely doubt they would have been able
to get it open anyway, but it they could have, it certainly had a lid
heavy enough to seriously hurt them.

I've found out that if you talk to a kid, and tell them they'll get
hurt by playing with something, they'll usually listen; not just tell
them "no".

So, again, why was a kid so young unsupervised enough that
something like that would happen?


The child was supposedly taking a nap. It was not her own bedroom. She was being taken care of by an aunt. An accident like this would only take minutes. I understand what you are saying. I've lived on a lake and now have an indoor swimming pool. Needless to say, I'm a paranoid freak about watching kids but no one has eyes in the back of their head. Even tho I taught my kids to swim and explained what drowning is, I still had extra locks on the doors, fences, alarms, and padlocks for their life jackets. A two year old doesn't understand what death is so they can't understand the severity your warnings. As for you, I've seen your website. Are all of the locks out of the doors and trunks of the junkers in your back yard?
JOAT
Shhh... that's the sound of nobody caring what you think.

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Scott, there's something seriously wrong with you posting remarks like
this regarding a subject like this. grow up.

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WOW,

Reading this has made me think, I made a blanket chest for my wife a year
ago, the lid is recessed. So, if that lid were to drop on my son's hand it
surely would be able to break somethingif not worse. Which I dare not think!
I am on my way to the store for something that will protect him. He is 4 and
I seriously doubt that he could even lift the lid since it is recessed, but
nonetheless I am going to "fix" this possible situation. As well as check
the toy box in his room. Some things that seem so inocculous really do much
harm.

THanks for the warning


Searcher Jrs. DAD

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On 31 Jan 2006 14:50:30 -0800, wrote:

Scott, there's something seriously wrong with you posting remarks like
this regarding a subject like this. grow up.

There is something seriously wrong with you posting such news without
reference. This would definitely have hit the newspaper or the
radio/TV. Can you give a reference please; either newspaper, radio
station, or TV station that carried this story? I've looked around,
but could see nothing as yet.

I made a toy box for my granddaughter some time back, and it has
slow-closing hinges. So the message is a good one. I simply like to
see references when such tales are spread.

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"Scott Lurndal" wrote in message
et...
writes:
I realize having the lid unattached would keep a child from being
locked inside only if the child intentionally crawled in it but I
think you should put "fixing" it with the hinges on your list. I wasn't
completely clear in my discription. I believe Chelsey's head was caught
in the lid so she would have technically been strangled. I guess, as a
mother, the word suffocation is possibly less gut wrenching to write
rather than strangled....I just think having enough hinges on them so
you actually have to push the lid down to close it (and it should never
lock) would be the best solution. I also like Brian's ideas of the air
holes. I just mainly wrote this because if something like this has to
happen, a lesson should come from it.


You mean the lesson about leaving 2 year old children unattended?

scott

I'm guessing you have no children. Because if you do and you're telling me
prior to the age of 3 they have *never* been out of sight of an adult, I'm
telling you I don't buy it.

todd

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"Scott Lurndal" wrote in message
et...
"brianlanning" writes:
As a father of 8 (one is 3, two are infants), this kind of stuff scares
the daylights out of me. In addition to the slow-close hinges, the
bottom of the trunk or chest needs to have holes or some other way for
air to circulate. Maybe it's a good idea for the lid to have
stand-offs or something to keep a 1/2" gap between the box and the lid
at all times.

brian


Man, how did humanity ever survive 15 centuries of chests with locking
lids?

scott

The same way we survived without antibiotics and cars without seatbelts and
vaccinations and ... well you get the picture. We survived by people having
5 children because 2 of them were going to die from one thing or another
prior to childbearing age.

todd

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In article , wrote:
"brianlanning" writes:
As a father of 8 (one is 3, two are infants), this kind of stuff scares
the daylights out of me. In addition to the slow-close hinges, the
bottom of the trunk or chest needs to have holes or some other way for
air to circulate. Maybe it's a good idea for the lid to have
stand-offs or something to keep a 1/2" gap between the box and the lid
at all times.

Man, how did humanity ever survive 15 centuries of chests with locking lids?

Some didn't, which ist he point here.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

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"Scott Lurndal" wrote in message


You mean the lesson about leaving 2 year old children unattended?

scott

All mom had to do was go pee and the kid could get into trouble. Happens
under the best of circumstances. Thee are many other scenarios with a 2yo
for getting into a bad situation in seconds. I hope it never happens to your
kids.

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On 1/31/2006 12:52 PM mumbled something about the
following:
I know everyone here knows how important it is to use hydrolic hinges
on the lids of chests but....I just had to write this. This weekend my
neighbor's 2 year old granddaughter was knocked unconcious and
suffocated. I'm writing this to ask you to think about your families,
friends, neighbors, babysitters,,,that have chests in their homes and
remind them to have hydrolic hinges on them. I realized myself after
this accident that I have an antique steamer trunk in my basement. I
now have an excuse to get rid of the junk stored in it and the trunk
can go on the slabwood pile for all I care. Jana


I guess I should take away all the toys and remove all the furniture
from my house before letting my grandkids in? Hell, they can get hurt
on almost anything, run into the coffee table, climb on it and fall off,
climb on the couch and fall onto the coffee table, fall off the bed, run
into a wall, close a door on their hand. Ah hell, might as well get rid
of the house so they can't get hurt by the house. Ooops, I better get
rid of the trees too so that a branch doesn't accidently fall on them.

You know, I think it would a LOT easier if I just watch them.

--
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"Scott Lurndal" wrote in message
et...
: writes:
....
:
:
: You mean the lesson about leaving 2 year old children
unattended?
:
: scott

Scott, you are the epitomy of rude, crude bad taste and may you
burn in hell for your intentional and purposeful ignorance. It
takes all kinds to make the world whirl 'round, but we could do
without your kind. You are supremely stupid and impotent.

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"Scott Lurndal" wrote in message
et...
: "brianlanning" writes:
: As a father of 8 (one is 3, two are infants), this kind of
stuff scares
: the daylights out of me. In addition to the slow-close
hinges, the
: bottom of the trunk or chest needs to have holes or some other
way for
: air to circulate. Maybe it's a good idea for the lid to have
: stand-offs or something to keep a 1/2" gap between the box and
the lid
: at all times.
:
: brian
:
:
: Man, how did humanity ever survive 15 centuries of chests with
locking lids?
:
: scott
Same way you did Scott: Pure, unadulterated dumb luck!

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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"Scott Lurndal" wrote in message

You mean the lesson about leaving 2 year old children unattended?

scott


All mom had to do was go pee and the kid could get into trouble. Happens
under the best of circumstances. Thee are many other scenarios with a 2yo
for getting into a bad situation in seconds. I hope it never happens to your
kids.


Yep,
Little ones are like greased lightening. Blink and they're into no good
or somewhere they shouldn't.
Lot's of things in life shouldn't happen, but they do.
As my Dad says " Better to be wrong and alive than dead and right"
regards
John

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Tue, Jan 31, 2006, 2:26pm (EST-3) doth sayeth:
The child was supposedly taking a nap. It was not her own bedroom. She
was being taken care of by an aunt. An accident like this would only
take minutes. I understand what you are saying. snippity of something
about a lake and a pool As for you, I've seen your website. Are all of
the locks out of the doors and trunks of the junkers in your back yard?

When you don't hear a kid, that's when you get up and check on
them.

When my kids were 2 they were into about everything. I don't
recall what age they started opening cabinets, but eventually they did.
But, at age 2 I don't recall them "lifting", or even "trying" to lift
anything but their tooys, even the lid of the wicker chest we used for
their toys, and it was light. So, saying, or implying, a 2 yo got a
chest lid, that's apparently heavy enough to knock them out, and t then
sufficate, them, is not someting I can readily accept. To my mind, it
would be more llikely a hand(s) or finger(s) would be very much more
likely to get banged than a head. Unless the lid was already open, and
the kid cause it to close. But, if that's t he case, no reason it
should have been open.

When my kids were laid down for a nap, didn't matter if they were
home or not, we'd always check to be sure they were lying down, and not
getting into trouble, until they were asleep. And, when they woke up, I
don't recall that they didn't make some ssort of noise, alerting us to
them being awake, and to check on them.

How old was the babysitter?

As for my website, and junkers, that link has been changed a long
time ago, so your recall is inaccurate. Or, if you can still access it,
let me know, so I can change it. I don't have any junkers in my back
yard. My son does have a Datsun pickup, with a blown engine - which
will wind up back on the road, when he gets another engine in it; and, I
have my project Dub, with no engine, the plan is, that will also,
eventually, wind up on the road. So, neither is a "junker". All other
vehicles, including my son's 1952 Buick, run. And, no ,I do not have
the locks out of any of them, doors, or trunks. Why should I? They're
not junkers, after all. You think a kid is gonna crawl in a locked
trunk, and shut it?. Anyway, the only pictures are a couple of old ones
of my Dub project car, and one of my donor engine. Oops, almost forgot
- my son recently got a CJ-7, with no engine, that will be his off-road
toy. Still no junker, and it's not in the back yard either. Any
"junkers" around here get hauled off to, where else?, the junkyard.



JOAT
Shhh... that's the sound of nobody caring what you think.

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Tue, Jan 31, 2006, 2:50pm (EST-3) doth accuse:
Scott, there's something seriously wrong with you posting remarks like
this regarding a subject like this. grow up.

I take it he was a bit too blunt for you?



JOAT
Shhh... that's the sound of nobody caring what you think.

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Tue, Jan 31, 2006, 6:25pm (EST-1) (todd) doth sayeth:
I'm guessing you have no children. Because if you do and you're telling
me prior to the age of 3 they have *never* been out of sight of an
adult, I'm telling you I don't buy it.

I've got kids - grown now. We always kept an ey on them, when we
could. We also learned very early, to listen, when they weren't in
eyesight. If the kid is quiet, check, because more than likely, the kid
is getting into trouble. That was always called "keeping an eye on your
kids". Your dreaming if you expect to keep them from getting hurt; but,
hopefully, you can keep them from getting killed.



JOAT
Shhh... that's the sound of nobody caring what you think.

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"brianlanning" wrote in message
oups.com...
I meant blanket chests and the like.


Locks. The kind you should have on that cabinet full of poisons under the
sink.

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On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:55:44 -0500, (J T)
wrote:

Tue, Jan 31, 2006, 9:52am (EST-3) doth advise us
all:
I know everyone here knows how important it is to use hydrolic hinges on
the lids of chests snip

I certainly don't know that. What I DO know is that it seems like
there's quite a bit that's not been said.

Why was a 2 yo unsupervised?

Why was the top open? And, why did it fall? Why wasn't the chest
locked in the first place? Why wasn't an adult around in the first
place? I'd never have let my grandkid out of my sight at that age.

Agreed. And once more ...and I'm merely being curious, not
maliscious... does anyone have an actual media reference to this
story? He said it was recent, and I've heard not a thing. Frankly,
there's a lot of trolling coming out of Ohio just now in other
newsgroups. Is this [OP] substantiated fact, or another troll? It's
simple enough to verify by the OP sending a reference. You are in the
habit of browsing, JT. Perhaps you can find something in the news
media ...and this would have been bound to hit the media. I can't
find a darned thing.

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"AAvK" wrote in message
news:lhQDf.12281$eR.7124@fed1read03...
:
: I know everyone here knows how important it is to use
hydrolic hinges
: on the lids of chests but....I just had to write this. This
weekend my
: neighbor's 2 year old granddaughter was knocked unconcious
and
: suffocated. I'm writing this to ask you to think about your
families,
: friends, neighbors, babysitters,,,that have chests in their
homes and
: remind them to have hydrolic hinges on them. I realized
myself after
: this accident that I have an antique steamer trunk in my
basement. I
: now have an excuse to get rid of the junk stored in it and
the trunk
: can go on the slabwood pile for all I care. Jana
:
:
: Jana THANKS for sharing. Friend of mine just built a very
large Mahogany
: blanket chest for a friend family of his, intents to line it
with aromatic ceder.
: It's got this huge heavy lid on a free flowing piano hinge that
could no doubt
: kill a kid! ... or a little toddler.
:
: I will relay your message to him.
:
: --
: Alex - "newbie_neander" woodworker
: cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com
: not my site: http://www.e-sword.net/
:
:
When I built chests (only two in my lifetime so far) I always
thought to use keep-opens and soft foams on the top/bottom of the
closing surfaces to protect little finners, but, you know, I
didn't go far enough. They're not airtight, but ... that wasn't
the point anyway. Fortunately both have lived thru kids growing
up around them. But both those kids now have kids; time for some
communictions, I think.
Thanks; good reminders, terrible way for them to come about.

Pop

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I apologize for not being more thorough. She was being watched by an
aunt and the little girl was taking a nap (or supposedly). Does there
really need to be more said? An accident like this only takes a few
minutes. I would concider myself a watchful parent but can anyone say
they havn't left their child alone in a room while they're taking a
nap? The papers are pretty slow around here since the local
newspapers only run once a week. It was on the Rochester, MN news
channel (KTTC.com). They usually have links to their stories.

warning worth repeating
 

Actually JOAT, a child or person who is drowning or choking makes no
noise at all. Is that too blunt?

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Tue, Jan 31, 2006, 2:50pm (EST-3) doth burble:
Scott, there's something seriously wrong with you posting remarks like
this regarding a subject like this. grow up.

I disagree.



JOAT
Shhh... that's the sound of nobody caring what you think.

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Tue, Jan 31, 2006, 11:20pm (EST+5) (Searcher)
amazedly shouts:
WOW,
**Reading this has made me think, I made a blanket chest for my wife
a year ago, the lid is recessed. So, if that lid were to drop on my
son's hand it surely would be able to break somethingif not worse. Which
I dare not think! I am on my way to the store for something that will
protect him. He is 4 and I seriously doubt that he could even lift the
lid since it is recessed, but nonetheless I am going to "fix" this
possible situation. As well as check the toy box in his room. Some
things that seem so inocculous really do much harm.
THanks for the warning

The kid's 4, which means he's old enough to understand what "no"
means. Tell the kid to keep away from the chest, and spank him if he
doesn't. Which should be sufficient, but kids today don't react that
way. So, get a locking latch, install it, and keep it locked. Either
that or keep a check on the kid.

As far as the toy box, you've probably read my views on them. If
not, there's someone where in one of my posts in this thread.



JOAT
Shhh... that's the sound of nobody caring what you think.

warning worth repeating
 

Tue, Jan 31, 2006, 7:12pm (Guess*who) doth
sayeth:
There is something seriously wrong with you posting such news without
reference. This would definitely have hit the newspaper or the radio/TV.
snip

I'd also be very interesting in the results of the investigation
into this.



JOAT
Shhh... that's the sound of nobody caring what you think.

warning worth repeating
 

Tue, Jan 31, 2006, 6:30pm (EST-1) (todd) avers:
The same way we survived without antibiotics and cars without seatbelts
and vaccinations and ... well you get the picture. We survived by people
having 5 children because 2 of them were going to die from one thing or
another prior to childbearing age.

However, I believe there were more that died of disease and illness
than from accidents.



JOAT
Shhh... that's the sound of nobody caring what you think.

warning worth repeating
 

wrote in message
ups.com...
I apologize for not being more thorough. She was being watched by an
aunt and the little girl was taking a nap (or supposedly). Does there
really need to be more said? An accident like this only takes a few
minutes. I would concider myself a watchful parent but can anyone say
they havn't left their child alone in a room while they're taking a
nap? The papers are pretty slow around here since the local
newspapers only run once a week. It was on the Rochester, MN news
channel (KTTC.com). They usually have links to their stories.


I have no doubt the tragedy occurred Jan, but I do have to wonder about how
it happened. It strikes me that a lid heavy enough to cause suffocation
would be too heavy for a 2 year old to lift over their head. There must be
more to this story than the simple fact that a lid fell on a child's head.
Do you have any additional information about this?

--

-Mike-

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Feb 1, 2006, 2:28am (EST+5) (Pop) rudely
sayeth:
Scott, you are the epitomy of rude, crude bad taste and may you burn in
hell for your intentional and purposeful ignorance. It takes all kinds
to make the world whirl 'round, but we could do without your kind. You
are supremely stupid and impotent.

Impotent? And, epitomy?

The younger the kid, the more attendance they need. Some people
learn the hard way. Scott didn't say anything probably most of us
aren't thinking. I feel about the same, just sai it with more words
than him.

Scott, apparently you need to pretty it up for the more delicate
types in the group next time.



JOAT
Shhh... that's the sound of nobody caring what you think.

warning worth repeating
 

Wed, Feb 1, 2006, 2:45am (EST+5)
(John*B) sayeth:
Yep,
Little ones are like greased lightening. Blink and they're into no good
or somewhere they shouldn't.
Lot's of things in life shouldn't happen, but they do. As my Dad says "
Better to be wrong and alive than dead and right" regards

Never heard that one before. Yep, you do the best you can, and
hope it's enough.



JOAT
Shhh... that's the sound of nobody caring what you think.

warning worth repeating
 

Wed, Feb 1, 2006, 9:19am (Guess*who) sayeth:
snip You are in the habit of browsing, JT. Perhaps you can find
something in the news media ...and this would have been bound to hit the
media. I can't find a darned thing.

Not exactly my usual type of browsing, but I'll give it a shot.
I'm quite curious too, something just doesn't seem right. Maybe comes
from watching too many of the real CSI shows, Dr G, North Mission Road,
and so on. LOL I don't watch the phoney CSI shows at all any more,
except for NCIS - hat's only for its entertainment value. I do love
Monk tho. If I come across anything, I'll post it.



JOAT
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warning worth repeating
 

I'm disappointed to say the least to see the comments by JT and others
on this. The story being true or not has no real bearing on the OP's
suggestion. The point is to attempt to provide a safe environment for
our children. A man of JT's age should know from experience children
do not always do as told, and they cannot be watched 24x7. In fact his
own statements support the fact he didn't watch them every moment
(looked in on them to make sure they were sleeping) and had to
discipline them because they didn't listen. Any one of those events
could have led to the result in the OP's story. It only takes 30
seconds of inattention for something tragic to happen. I almost lost a
son to drowning in that amount of time. I was fortunate, but it cured
me of the sin of saying things like "why weren't they watching them?".

You should know better.

-Jim

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Wed, Feb 1, 2006, 2:44pm (EST+5) (Pop)
sayeth:
When I built chests (only two in my lifetime so far) I always thought to
use keep-opens and soft foams on the top/bottom of the closing surfaces
to protect little finners, but, you know, I didn't go far enough.
They're not airtight, but ... that wasn't the point anyway. Fortunately
both have lived thru kids growing up around them. But both those kids
now have kids; time for some communictions, I think.
Thanks; good reminders, terrible way for them to come about.

OK. For big people, chests with locks, and keep them locked around
little kids. For little kids, no tops. Among other reasons, a little
kid has problems enough just getting toys into a toy box. Or out. The
kid definitely does NOT need to try to screw around with a lid at t he
same time, definite recipe for frustration at the least and getting
hurt. Give the kid a beak, no lid.

For bigger kids, you can put a top on, so it can be used for a seat
too - no locking latch - plus air holes, or gap under the top edge. You
got a lid on a chest, biggest problem I see is a second kid slamming it
down on another kid's head or hands. Or, getting a kid in it, and then
sitting on the lid. Make the lid light enough so if a kid does drop it
on his/her own head or hands, it isn't gonna cause major damage - and
they shoiuld learn from that, and not do it again, no big deal. So, no
need for the fancy hinges, etc.

For older kids, that will NOT be climbing in it, you can put a lock
on it - again, if little kids around, keep it locked. Again, I don't
really see the need of fancy slow hinges, or whatever. By the time,
he/she should be coordinated enough to not drop the lid on their own
head/hands, and if they do, it isn't gonna do major damage. It'll teach
them to be more careful next time. However, if the lid doesn't go back
far enough to stand by itself, I will go along with something to hold
the lid up. And, supposedly, the kid will be old enough there will be
no desires to climb in the chest.

I don't believe that any locks/latches on any chest large enough to
get a kid in should automatically latch when closed. That would prevent
any kid from getting trapped accidently. Whcih would still not prevent
someone from fastening a lock, or putting weights on the lid.



JOAT
Shhh... that's the sound of nobody caring what you think.

warning worth repeating
 

Wed, Feb 1, 2006, 8:23am (EST-3) burbles:
Actually JOAT, a child or person who is drowning or choking makes no
noise at all. Is that too blunt?

So? That just reinforces my point. If you can't hear the kid,
that's the time to check on them.



JOAT
Shhh... that's the sound of nobody caring what you think.