Hi there
Just thought I would ask would anyone have any ideas on what to do with a
large (100 000 + ) orchid?? My father was leasing out his property to some
people and they went bankrupt
Mainly apple trees and some stone fruit. I asked a friend who works at a
papermill and they are the wrong sort of trees to make newspaper from but
suggested perhaps cardboard manufacturers.
The trees are 8 years old or thereabouts and I guess the average tree would
be 10 foot tall. Would they be any good for timber?? I have a pic at
http://members.iinet.net.au/~snixon/orchid.jpg
I think these trees are a little smaller then most but not that much smaller
Any use in making veneers or something?? Im guessing they might not be big
enough
This is in Australia
Thanks for any replies
Stephen Nixon

"Stephen N" wrote in message
...
Hi there
Just thought I would ask would anyone have any ideas on what to do with a
large (100 000 + ) orchid?? My father was leasing out his property to some
people and they went bankrupt
Mainly apple trees and some stone fruit. I asked a friend who works at a
papermill and they are the wrong sort of trees to make newspaper from but
suggested perhaps cardboard manufacturers.
The trees are 8 years old or thereabouts and I guess the average tree
would
be 10 foot tall. Would they be any good for timber?? I have a pic at
http://members.iinet.net.au/~snixon/orchid.jpg
I think these trees are a little smaller then most but not that much
smaller
Any use in making veneers or something?? Im guessing they might not be big
enough
This is in Australia
Thanks for any replies
Stephen Nixon


Ummm Do you mean orchard? An Orchid is a flower.

or dear i think i do mean orchard
sorry
thanks for pointing that out Leon
Stephen

In article
, Stephen
N wrote:

Just thought I would ask would anyone have any ideas on what to do with a
large (100 000 + ) orchid??

Orchids are flowers. Large plantations of fruit trees are orchards.

You may want to take note of the proper terminology if you're serious
about finding a buyer for your ORCHARD.

--
Life. Nature's way of keeping meat fresh. -- Dr. Who

Now that the spelling police have had their say:

I spent the better part of a year trying to find applewood locally and
on the 'net'. I finally took a ride east to Ottawa (that's in
Canada) and stopped in at an orchard and got lucky. I wish your wood
was over here. I'd buy it all. I can think of a whole lot of things
to build with applewood. And other fruit woods.

Ask around locally with the wood turners, and hobbyists. You may even
get lucky and find someone willing to lumberize the lot. Also some
folks think applewood is great for smoking meats and fish. If you can
find a wood chipper and bag the stuff, that may be all you need to do.

And I'm still looking for about 60 BF pearwood if anyone has some to
sell within reasonable shipping distance to Winnipeg, Manitoba,
Canada.

Pete Selby

wrote in message ...
Now that the spelling police have had their say:


Ask around locally with the wood turners, and hobbyists. You may even
get lucky and find someone willing to lumberize the lot. Also some
folks think applewood is great for smoking meats and fish. If you can
find a wood chipper and bag the stuff, that may be all you need to do.

And I'm still looking for about 60 BF pearwood if anyone has some to
sell within reasonable shipping distance to Winnipeg, Manitoba,
Canada.

Pete Selby


Thanks for the help there Pete
I was thinking that the size of the trees wouldnt make it worthwhile to cut
up for lumber.
I have a pic at http://members.iinet.net.au/~snixon/orchid.jpg .
I promise it isnt a malicious file or something just a picture (with
spelling error sorry).
How big does a tree have to be to make it worthwhile to cut up??
I am a knifemaker by hobby so I will ask him to save me 1 or 2 trees for
handles but thats a heck of a lot of wood for me because I dont need a large
piece for handles.
The trees are 200 km away so I cant get a better pic of them at the moment
He is looking at a $85000 bill to buy a excevator thing (not exactly sure
what sort of machine) to rip them up plus whatever it costs for fuel and
time. He was just going to let them rot in the paddock after that
Maybe I should get him to put an add in the local paper
"free apple trees for lumber use, must remove all branches" or something
like that
would adding "must take 1000 trees minimum" work ??
8-)
ok a wood related question - whats applewood look like when its dry and
ready to use?? I had some pearwood and it looked pretty nice, pale with
darker swirls. Is applewood similar?? I know that its fairly light coloured
I havnt cut any up for handles yet.
Apparently to kill them properly you have to paint the stump with roundup
within 10 seconds after cutting them down or they will come back which makes
it a little harder
apple wood chips mighnt be a bad idea
Googling apple wood chips came back with a lot of hits
Stephen Nixon

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:54:41 +1100, "Stephen N"
wrote:

The trees are 8 years old or thereabouts and I guess the average tree would
be 10 foot tall. Would they be any good for timber??

Why not use them for fruit? You've already got them, the trees are
mature enough to be producing well. Unless there's a sudden interest in
using the land for anything else, an orchard has to be more use than a
bare hillside.

10 years is a bit young for timber, as they'll be on the small side.
This isn't a real problem for fruitwood, but it does reduce the
yield/cost ratio. Usually fruitwood is felled from trees that are past
their fruit-bearing prime, although even these never get particularly
large. Fruitwood is valuable though and you should find buyers through
the specialised timber trade dealing with turnery etc. supplies. Make
sure you talk to them first about thier instructions for felling, what
sizes they want and how they want the logs end-sealed etc. immediately
after felling.

On the good side, felling orchards is pretty easy felling work.
Well-behaved trees that aren't too big to handle.

In article , wrote:
Now that the spelling police have had their say:

Seems to me that it hardly falls in the category of "spelling police" to point
out that an orchid and an orchard are two very different things.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

wrote:
Now that the spelling police have had their say:

I spent the better part of a year trying to find applewood locally and
on the 'net'. I finally took a ride east to Ottawa (that's in
Canada) and stopped in at an orchard and got lucky. I wish your wood
was over here. I'd buy it all. I can think of a whole lot of things
to build with applewood. And other fruit woods.

Ask around locally with the wood turners, and hobbyists. You may even
get lucky and find someone willing to lumberize the lot. Also some
folks think applewood is great for smoking meats and fish. If you can
find a wood chipper and bag the stuff, that may be all you need to do.

And I'm still looking for about 60 BF pearwood if anyone has some to
sell within reasonable shipping distance to Winnipeg, Manitoba,
Canada.

Pete Selby



There is a wood dealer who goes to the Woodstock Woodshow (Ontario) --
he regularly has "exotic" local woods -- sumac, boxwood, pear, chestnut,
apple, elm, yew or whatever falls down and is referred to him. You might
want to check through the woodstock dealer list.

We got some bowl blanks from him this year. In the past I have bought
curly horse chestnut and german beech etc...

This year he was near the Carving demonstration area -- you could always
call the show managers -- or maybe someone still has the show program
and recalls his name.


http://www.woodstockwoodshow.ca/



--
Will R.
Jewel Boxes and Wood Art
http://woodwork.pmccl.com
The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those
who have not got it.” George Bernard Shaw

wrote:
Now that the spelling police have had their say:

I spent the better part of a year trying to find applewood locally and
on the 'net'. I finally took a ride east to Ottawa (that's in
Canada) and stopped in at an orchard and got lucky. I wish your wood
was over here. I'd buy it all. I can think of a whole lot of things
to build with applewood. And other fruit woods.

FWIW, I have read that the applewood Diston and others traditionally
used for saw totes was hawthorn, sometimes called crabapple.

Mind you, I've never seen a hawthorn big enough to make a tote.

That said, those who have used real applewood for tool handles seem
to eb pretty happy with it. One such person turns chisel handles
from the branches he prunes from his trees.

--

FF

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
. com...
In article , wrote:
Now that the spelling police have had their say:

Seems to me that it hardly falls in the category of "spelling police" to
point
out that an orchid and an orchard are two very different things.

Yeah. ;~) he did not misspell Orchid.

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:15:19 +1100, "Stephen N"
wrote:


wrote in message ...
Now that the spelling police have had their say:


Ask around locally with the wood turners, and hobbyists. You may even
get lucky and find someone willing to lumberize the lot. Also some
folks think applewood is great for smoking meats and fish. If you can
find a wood chipper and bag the stuff, that may be all you need to do.

And I'm still looking for about 60 BF pearwood if anyone has some to
sell within reasonable shipping distance to Winnipeg, Manitoba,
Canada.

Pete Selby


Thanks for the help there Pete
I was thinking that the size of the trees wouldnt make it worthwhile to cut
up for lumber.
I have a pic at http://members.iinet.net.au/~snixon/orchid.jpg .
I promise it isnt a malicious file or something just a picture (with
spelling error sorry).

Looking at the picture, are the trees dead or just dormant because of the
season the picture was taken?

Seems like a shame to destroy live trees (coming from the desert and
originally from the eastern plains of Colorado where trees are a novelty,
something inside me cringes when trees are just ripped out). Any chance
they could still be used for their intended purpose?



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If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough

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In article .ca,
Dave Balderstone wrote:

In article
, Stephen
N wrote:

Just thought I would ask would anyone have any ideas on what to do with a
large (100 000 + ) orchid??

Orchids are flowers. Large plantations of fruit trees are orchards.

You may want to take note of the proper terminology if you're serious
about finding a buyer for your ORCHARD.

What do you expect from Aussies? They think that 'Foster' spells 'beer'..

*grinning, running and ducking*

BTW.. That's a LOT of frickin' trees, Mr.Methane. Any relation Le
Patomane?

Get a rig to 'pull' the trees, rather than cutting them and leaving the
stump. There are a LOT of sheets of particle board sitting there.

Now that the spelling police have had their say:

Seems to me that it hardly falls in the category of "spelling police" to point
out that an orchid and an orchard are two very different things.

Seems to me that the question was understood and that spelling (or
word usage) should not have been an issue. Seems to me that the
question deserved an answer (if you had one) and not a cheap shot.
Seems to me that people who do this (here and in other news groups)
are a waste of space.

I used to teach high school kids. It really irked the hell out of me
when some pretentious know nothing sack of hot air, in the staffroom,
missed the message and zeroed in on the small stuff.


Pete Selby

You can take a chainsaw and trim the trees back to the trunk and then
rent a backhoe to pull the stump. Fairly easy to do if you do not mind
the really big hole.

If the trees are in good condition wouldn't it be better to find
someone to do the maintenance and harvest the fruit.?

An 8 year old fruit tree is pretty young for a commercial orchard.


If you want to kill the stump cut the tree down, spray a herbicide on
the stump. If that does not do the job you can drill some big holes and
apply a product that sppeds up the decomposition of the wood.
(commercial product whos name I don't remember.

You should be able to find a lumber company that can value the trees.

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:20:55 +0000, cselby wrote:


I used to teach high school kids. It really irked the hell out of me when
some pretentious know nothing sack of hot air, in the staffroom, missed
the message and zeroed in on the small stuff.


Pete Selby


And it really bothers me when HS teachers dismiss the importance of
literacy in at least one language. Were you, by some chance, the football
coach?

By the way, your choice of words and ineptness with punctuation prove my
point. There is exactly no need for commas around "in the staffroom" nor
does the addition of profanity buttress your point. Any college level
composition instructor would return the paper with just two words on it.

"Do over"

By the way, I used to teach HS dropouts to use computers to parse
commands, develop spreadsheets, use wordprocessors and design databases.
Every step of that process requires definiteness and precision. They had
not been taught these things in high school. Were they perhaps former
students of yours?

Sorry Pete, your defense of ignorance just grinds my guts.

Bill

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:47:23 -0500, W Canaday
wrote:

Any college level
composition instructor would return the paper with just two words on it.

"Do over"

Not, I hope, in any country where English was the native language.

Do _what_ over ?

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:20:55 GMT, wrote:

I used to teach high school kids. It really irked the hell out of me
when some pretentious know nothing sack of hot air, in the staffroom,
missed the message and zeroed in on the small stuff.

Indeed. It's obviously an orchard. We don't cut much timber from
orchids. No-one was confused by this typo, so who cares about
highlighting it?

Yes, they are different things. Of course if you had looked at the
picture from the OP, im thinking its pretty obvious waht he meant.
People do make mistakes!

Today I'm top posting just because.

I had the opportunity to hear a kid express an idea to an other
teacher. He was doing quite well for himself. When that kid misused a
word, that **** for brains teacher slammed him down. Apparently, the
idea took last place and word usage was utterly foremost. That kid
never seemed to open up with any kind of conversation again. What a
terrible thing to do to anyone. The other kids listening to the
tirade learned not to approach that particular asshole with anything
more than a yes/no. Seems the people who think they have impeccable
language skill don't actually have ideas and have no skills in
listening to one.


And it really bothers me when HS teachers dismiss the importance of
literacy in at least one language. Were you, by some chance, the football
coach?


Thanks for the jockstrap reference. No, I didn't teach Al Bundy
sports. I taught that getting well thought out ideas across
coherently, clearly, and concisely (that means "to the point", Bill)
made you more likely to get a decent job than pretentious language
skills. Those skills I left to the English teachers who were mostly
clueless about life skills.

By the way, your choice of words and ineptness with punctuation prove my
point. There is exactly no need for commas around "in the staffroom" nor
does the addition of profanity buttress your point. Any college level
composition instructor would return the paper with just two words on it.

It's been a long time since I wrote for university classes, which is
an entirely different language than regular folks actually speak.

The commas are there to try and keep your focus on the idea and not
get sidetracked with word play. Alas, your too stupid to sit back and
reflect on the original post that got you into this thread. And like
all the assholes who think they do a great service by blowing their
farts as facts, you are typical as it gets. Read the above paragraph
again because you just went back to being the language police.

"Do over"

Do over???? Your not still in elementary school are you?


By the way, I used to teach HS dropouts to use computers to parse
commands, develop spreadsheets, use wordprocessors and design databases.
Every step of that process requires definiteness and precision. They had
not been taught these things in high school. Were they perhaps former
students of yours?

Unfortunately, my teaching days occured before home computers and
maybe some of these people were former students of mine. But even
then, there were ignorant teachers who had no business near kids.
Asses like you destroy minds. I find it amazing that you defend
your arrogant thoughtlessness with even more drivel.


Sorry Pete, your defense of ignorance just grinds my guts.

You really didn't get this one didn't you? You answered a post with
a dig, and not anything approaching usefull and you still defend your
stupidity. What a tiny perfect world you must live in where no one
mispells or uses a wrong word or phrase.

Sorry Bill, that just made you a perfect asshole.
Go parse youself Bill and take a laxative.

In article , Andy Dingley
wrote:

Indeed. It's obviously an orchard. We don't cut much timber from
orchids. No-one was confused by this typo, so who cares about
highlighting it?

Substituting orchid for orchard is NOT a typo. It's a question of
literacy.

Some people believe that literacy means something, Andy. I'm one of
them.

djb

--
"The thing about saying the wrong words is that A, I don't notice it, and B,
sometimes orange water gibbon bucket and plastic." -- Mr. Burrows

I have got to expect some critisisim from such a stupid mistake so thats ok
I guess.
My father had the place open for offers for someone to lease it out again
but had no offers.
Thats what he would prefer - someone to lease it out
No offers either to buy it.
He says it is a shame that he has to rip it up
He is in poor health and unable to run it himself and I guess I might be a
bit incompetant so I cant run it(parents split up and I left before learning
anything about farming). Im not sure we would have the capital to run it
anyway - The old leasees (spelling??) spent large amounts of money on the
place( they didnt go broke cause of us they bought a massive place 3 times
bigger then ours and overextended)
Due to ill health he would want to do something about them within a year
probably.
The photo was taken in winter so the trees are dormant
particle board sounds like a good idea - get them to come in and rip them
up.
After setting aside 1 or 2 trees for knife handles of course.
Thanks for the ideas - sorry bout the mistake.
Stephen Nixon
PS
Andy Dingley your are a knifemaker arnt you??? Your name seems familiar are
you on the knife list??

On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 01:12:43 +0000, Andy Dingley
wrote:

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:20:55 GMT, wrote:

I used to teach high school kids. It really irked the hell out of me
when some pretentious know nothing sack of hot air, in the staffroom,
missed the message and zeroed in on the small stuff.

Indeed. It's obviously an orchard. We don't cut much timber from
orchids. No-one was confused by this typo, so who cares about
highlighting it?

To be honest, it took me a bit to finally figure out to what the poster
was referring. There definitely was a confusion factor there.

However, a simple, "do you mean orchard?" would have been sufficient to
correct the problem.


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If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough

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In article
, Stephen
N wrote:

My father had the place open for offers for someone to lease it out again
but had no offers.

I'm curious. If the land is not saleable as an orchard, what will it be
when the orchard is gone? Is it close enough to an urban center that it
can be turned into housing

--
"The thing about saying the wrong words is that A, I don't notice it, and B,
sometimes orange water gibbon bucket and plastic." -- Mr. Burrows

"Mark & Juanita" wrote in message
...
However, a simple, "do you mean orchard?" would have been sufficient to
correct the problem.


Yeah. That is what I posted.

"Andy Dingley" schreef
We don't cut much timber from orchids.

***
Still, once upon a time, I heard of "orchid wood" ;-)
PvR

On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:33:05 +1100, "Stephen N"
wrote:

He says it is a shame that he has to rip it up

So why rip it up? Even if there isn't a demand for it, there's no
_need_ to remove the trees.

Lets suppose you sell the whole lot for a shopping mall and
Narnia-themed Orcworld Experience tomorrow. The developer can grub the
trees out in no time - having them standing isn't a problem.

You're not going to get rich by selling timber from these trees. Trees
just aren't worth much - they're only worth money after they've been
felled, converted and dried - and that costs labour. Now if you _had_
to do this, optimise your revenue by selling the trees to the best buyer
- almost certainly a fine timber specialist who wanted fruitwood, not
just a chipper who buys solely on bulk.

So in the meantime, keep your orchard.

Andy Dingley your are a knifemaker arnt you??? Your name seems familiar are
you on the knife list??

No, I'm just a passing psychopath with an interest in sharp objects.

Any cutlery making has been more to do with bronze casting lately than
it has been with woodwork.
http://codesmiths.com/shed/things/smithing/casting/

My father had the place open for offers for someone to lease it out
again
but had no offers.

I'm curious. If the land is not saleable as an orchard, what will it be
when the orchard is gone? Is it close enough to an urban center that it
can be turned into housing

about 2/3rds of the place has trees on it, the other 1/3 has about 80 cows
and calves. He will put more cows on it. He is healthy enough to look after
cows.
I could probably manage well enough looking after cows too if he needed some
help.
It is about 25 km away from a resonable sized inland city, so too far for
housing or shopping centres.
Would be a good location to break up into 4 or 5 hobby farms
though probably.
There may also be some legal issues with some of the trees.
Without going into the specifics some of the trees may need licencing fees
paid that the previous tenants avoided if fruit is sold off them.
One paddocks worth of them might die this year too over summer they were
stressed last year apparently.
He isnt trying to get rich just trying to get rid off them as cheaply as
possible (hopefully without having to buy the $85000 machine to pull them
out).
Leaving some of them in for a few years sounds like a good idea though - i
will suggest it to him.
I really like the casting you are doing Andy - great stuff it looks
fantastic.
Thanks for your help too
Stephen

On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 01:12:43 +0000, Andy Dingley wrote:

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:20:55 GMT, wrote:

I used to teach high school kids. It really irked the hell out of me
when some pretentious know nothing sack of hot air, in the staffroom,
missed the message and zeroed in on the small stuff.

Indeed. It's obviously an orchard. We don't cut much timber from
orchids. No-one was confused by this typo, so who cares about
highlighting it?

The spelling troll, of course... and he gets bites every time..


mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 04:06:51 +1100, "Stephen N"
wrote:

I really like the casting you are doing Andy - great stuff it looks
fantastic.

Thanks! Sadly my last batch was a total failure. I think I was trying
to cast too thick a layer of bronze in my cuttlefish. Bronze is a bit
hot for cuttlefish anyway, but previously I've managed to chill a layer
to shape before the mould started to collapse. This time though I lost
the lot - one minute I'm holding a crucible of molten metal, the next
I'm wondering why I'm pouring and pouring into a seemingly bottomless
mould. According to bystanders I'd disappeared behind a cloud of black
ash from my burning cephalod. When I finally stripped the mould box
down I'd cast a single solid slug weighing a pound or two.

I did manage to sand cast some tentacles though. Another project is to
make an oak Craftsman table lamp, but instead of ball and claw feet
it'll have bronze tentacles peeking out from beneath it.