Or at least that's the way it should be, since 3 of the 6 blades I've
bought from them
have broken on the welds. I've heard they will replace them free, but
you pay the shipping.

" wrote in message
ups.com...
Or at least that's the way it should be, since 3 of the 6 blades I've
bought from them
have broken on the welds. I've heard they will replace them free, but
you pay the shipping.


who? what? where? how? why?

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I must be missing something. Are you responding to another post? What
blades are you referring to?

Dick Durbin

"Olebiker" wrote:

I must be missing something. Are you responding to another post? What
blades are you referring to?

I must be missing something. Are you responding to another post?
What post that did not quote any contextual information are you
referring to? Probably a post by a google groups user--they frequently
do that.

g
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Alex -- Replace "nospam" with "mail" to reply by email. Checked infrequently.

"Olebiker" wrote:
I must be missing something. Are you responding to another post? What
blades are you referring to?

I must be missing something. Are you responding to another post?
What post that did not quote any contextual information are you
referring to? Probably a post by a google groups user--they frequently
do that.

g

Sorry, you must be using a primative newsreader that doesn't put posts
in context? Use Google so you can see the context. :-)

Dick "computer illiterate" Durbin

On 30 Nov 2005 09:39:11 -0800, Olebiker wrote:

I must be missing something. Are you responding to another post?
What post that did not quote any contextual information are you
referring to? Probably a post by a google groups user--they frequently
do that.

Sorry, you must be using a primative newsreader that doesn't put posts
in context? Use Google so you can see the context. :-)

That's an awfully arrogant way of responding to someone who is trying to
help someone communicate effectively. A post with no context is nearly
useless in _any_ newsreader.

That's an awfully arrogant way of responding to someone who is trying to
help someone communicate effectively. A post with no context is nearly
useless in _any_ newsreader.

The problem with electronic communication is that, even with the use of
emoticons, a joking retort is often taken as being smart assed. I'm
sorry if my response was taken that way.

I am, though, somewhat serious about newsreaders since many (most?)
don't display threads that put a response in context. If you view this
discussion in Google as a tree you can see the progression of comments
and responses.

"Olebiker" wrote:

That's an awfully arrogant way of responding to someone who is trying to
help someone communicate effectively. A post with no context is nearly
useless in _any_ newsreader.

The problem with electronic communication is that, even with the use of
emoticons, a joking retort is often taken as being smart assed. I'm
sorry if my response was taken that way.

I am, though, somewhat serious about newsreaders since many (most?)
don't display threads that put a response in context. If you view this
discussion in Google as a tree you can see the progression of comments
and responses.

1) I saw the emoticon and took no offense, and assumed you took no
offense at my ribbing. In fact, I was tempted to reply with a
compliment on your quoting, but thought I would let it die. Didn't
happen.

2) I think you are wrong about most newsreaders. All that I am aware
of display the tree. In Agent, Thunderbird, Netscape, and I think OE,
that is a three subwindow view showing thread titles, the tree of
subject lines, authors and times for the current thread, and the text
of the current message. But that takes screen space, just as it does
in gg, so I tend to look at a single window view. Moving through
unread messages, I move seamlessly from thread to thread until I come
to a reply in which the context is not given, at which point I need to
go to the three subwindow view or open up the single window tree view.
And I don't bother when the context is clear from the reply, although
often it leaves some doubt. No big deal, but far less convenient than
just reading the messages with quoted context. BTW, even with DSL, I
find the offline reader far faster (and therefore less aggravating)
than using a browser that has to download each message as I read it.

3) From your last couple of posts, it appears that gg does have
quoting capability, which is news to me. Hopefully this gives you some
feeling about why some (most?) of us appreciate your using that
feature.
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Alex -- Replace "nospam" with "mail" to reply by email. Checked infrequently.

From your last couple of posts, it appears that gg does have
quoting capability, which is news to me. Hopefully this gives you some
feeling about why some (most?) of us appreciate your using that
feature.

Actually GG doesn't have quoting capability. I had to do that
manually. I'll do that in the future to avoid confusion.

Thanks,
Dick

Olebiker wrote:
From your last couple of posts, it appears that gg does have
quoting capability, which is news to me. Hopefully this gives you some
feeling about why some (most?) of us appreciate your using that
feature.

Actually GG doesn't have quoting capability. I had to do that
manually. I'll do that in the future to avoid confusion.


Actually, GG DOES have quoting capability. Go up to the "options"
entry, click that and check reply. It quotes the entire piece. Select
from there.

Charlie Self wrote:
Olebiker wrote:
Actually GG doesn't have quoting capability. I had to do that
manually. I'll do that in the future to avoid confusion.


Actually, GG DOES have quoting capability. Go up to the "options"
entry, click that and check reply. It quotes the entire piece. Select
from there.

Well, I'll be.... Thanks, Charlie.

"Charlie Self" wrote in news:1133379088.915202.93420
@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:


Actually, GG DOES have quoting capability. Go up to the "options"
entry, click that and check reply. It quotes the entire piece. Select
from there.

Cool - that's worth knowing.

I wonder if we'll ever find out what edswoods1 was on about.

John

Olebiker wrote:
Charlie Self wrote:
Olebiker wrote:
Actually GG doesn't have quoting capability. I had to do that
manually. I'll do that in the future to avoid confusion.


Actually, GG DOES have quoting capability. Go up to the "options"
entry, click that and check reply. It quotes the entire piece. Select
from there.

Well, I'll be.... Thanks, Charlie.

Or you can click the "Reply" link a tthe bottom of the article and,
instead of typign your reply into the box that opens, click on
"Preview" and then "Edit".

--

FF

" wrote in message
ups.com...
Or at least that's the way it should be, since 3 of the 6 blades I've
bought from them
have broken on the welds. I've heard they will replace them free, but
you pay the shipping.



Look for " Heads up on Timberwolf blade sale" thread
Greg

"Greg O" wrote in message
...
" wrote in message
ups.com...
Or at least that's the way it should be, since 3 of the 6 blades I've
bought from them
have broken on the welds. I've heard they will replace them free, but
you pay the shipping.



Look for " Heads up on Timberwolf blade sale" thread
Greg

Nope that was my post. Timberwolf is offering buy 3 get one free. Not half
your order free.

On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:39:11 -0800, Olebiker wrote:

"Olebiker" wrote:
I must be missing something. Are you responding to another post? What
blades are you referring to?

I must be missing something. Are you responding to another post? What
post that did not quote any contextual information are you referring to?
Probably a post by a google groups user--they frequently do that.

g

Sorry, you must be using a primative newsreader that doesn't put posts in
context? Use Google so you can see the context. :-)

Dick "computer illiterate" Durbin

Dick, hit "Reply To" instead of starting a new message and threading works
just fine. I have over 100,000 headers just from this newsgroup
alone and threading has never been broken yet.

According to your message header, you weren't replying to an existing
message at all, you were starting a new one.

Wanna see? Here is the complete message you sent us that started this
thread. The top part is known as the header and is not normally displayed
.... but always exists for every Usenet message ever sent.

Complaints-To:
Date: 30 Nov 2005 05:01:49 -0800
From: "
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Lines: 5
Message-ID: . com
NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:01:54 +0000 (UTC)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 172.128.120.163
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
Organization: http://groups.google.com Path:
sn-us!sn-xit-11!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-13!supernews.com!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.co m!g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Subject: Half your order free! User-Agent: G2/0.2
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Or at least that's the way it should be, since 3 of the 6 blades I've
bought from them
have broken on the welds. I've heard they will replace them free, but you
pay the shipping.


It SHOULD have had a line that read "In-Reply-To" ... but didn't because
it wasn't actually a reply.

Here's Gregs response to you ... note his "References" line? It matches
your "Message-ID".

Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:15:06 -0600
From: "Greg O"
Lines: 13
Message-ID:
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com
Path: sn-us!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail
References: . com
Subject: Half your order free!
X-Complaints-To:
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
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X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180
X-Priority: 3
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MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain

" wrote in message
ups.com...
Or at least that's the way it should be, since 3 of the 6 blades I've
bought from them
have broken on the welds. I've heard they will replace them free, but
you pay the shipping.



Look for " Heads up on Timberwolf blade sale" thread Greg

======================

Gregs' posting was a reply, yours was a clean start.

:P

Bill

The most commonly used one, Outlook, does. So has the other two that I have
tried.

"Olebiker" wrote in message
ups.com...

I am, though, somewhat serious about newsreaders since many (most?)
don't display threads that put a response in context.

On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 00:37:14 +1000, "www" wrote:


" wrote in message
oups.com...
Or at least that's the way it should be, since 3 of the 6 blades I've
bought from them
have broken on the welds. I've heard they will replace them free, but
you pay the shipping.


who? what? where? how? why?

You know, *them*. You know how *they* are, right?

Hey, you're not one of *them*, are you? :-)




+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+

If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough

+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+

On 30 Nov 2005 10:35:11 -0800, "Olebiker" wrote:

That's an awfully arrogant way of responding to someone who is trying to
help someone communicate effectively. A post with no context is nearly
useless in _any_ newsreader.

The problem with electronic communication is that, even with the use of
emoticons, a joking retort is often taken as being smart assed. I'm
sorry if my response was taken that way.

I am, though, somewhat serious about newsreaders since many (most?)
don't display threads that put a response in context. If you view this
discussion in Google as a tree you can see the progression of comments
and responses.

I use Agent, it does put messages in thread order. But, I also don't
like wading through a gazillion headers that have already been read to find
one that is unread, so it only shows unread posts. If the original post
was read days ago, not having any context makes messages like that from the
OP completely useless.

Also, in some cases, an original posting may not make it to one's news
server before responses. In those cases also, the contextless posting is
useless because the originating posting is not viewable.



+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+

If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough

+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+

"Leon" wrote in message
om...

"Greg O" wrote in message
...
" wrote in message
ups.com...
Or at least that's the way it should be, since 3 of the 6 blades I've
bought from them
have broken on the welds. I've heard they will replace them free, but
you pay the shipping.



Look for " Heads up on Timberwolf blade sale" thread
Greg

Nope that was my post. Timberwolf is offering buy 3 get one free. Not
half your order free.

Yes, but the "OP" of this thread was trying to post a response to your
thread, but failed!
Greg

www wrote:
" wrote in message
ups.com...
Or at least that's the way it should be, since 3 of the 6 blades I've
bought from them
have broken on the welds. I've heard they will replace them free, but
you pay the shipping.


Hey, I'm really sorry - haven't checked my newsgroups for awhile and
this got
posted in the wrong place. It was intended to be a reply to a posting
about
a sale on Timberwolf blades. I called the manufacturer and was told
that blades
break on the welds because the ceramic guides are set too tight and
they
overheat, and that I may have had too much tension on them. I tend not
to believe
either explanation, though.

" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hey, I'm really sorry - haven't checked my newsgroups for awhile and
this got
posted in the wrong place. It was intended to be a reply to a posting
about
a sale on Timberwolf blades. I called the manufacturer and was told
that blades
break on the welds because the ceramic guides are set too tight and
they
overheat, and that I may have had too much tension on them. I tend not
to believe
either explanation, though.


Why? Have you checked for heat after sawing?

Are you following the manufacturer's suggestions on blade tension?

Just curious. Never have lost a weld on mine, and I've been running ceramic
guides for six or so and thrust bearings for a couple of years on my saw.

George wrote:

Why? Have you checked for heat after sawing?

Are you following the manufacturer's suggestions on blade tension?


Just curious. Never have lost a weld on mine, and I've been running
ceramic
guides for six or so and thrust bearings for a couple of years on my
saw.


Reply

Honestly, I didn't check for heat. How much heat would it take?
When I think of
steel failing because of heat, I think, red hot. How hot would it be?
Like an iron?
I picked up the broken ends right away, didn't notice anything out of
the ordinary.
One thing I have noticed about these "premium" blades though is a grind
mark at
the weld. On the other hand, on the cheaper blades such as Craftsman
there is
just a heat discoloration there and the blade is smooth. However I've
only gotten
Craftsman blades for a 14" saw, and the Timberwolf blades for an 18".
As far as tension goes, with my Dayton 18" it's strictly by feel. A
small adjusting
wheel is all you get. On the phone they said the Timberwolf blades
were designed
to work with minimum tension (just beyond the point where the blade
would flutter,
as they describe it) They also said it was important to relieve the
tension on the
blade when not in use. I have to say that much of this sound a little
absurd to me,
almost as if they're asking you to compensate for the inferiority of
their product.
I can't imagine them releasing the tension every evening on the 36"
bandsaw at the
mill shop I go to, and they never have any problems. I'm going to
place an order
where the shop gets blades, Bull Sharpening in Oak Park, IL. If those
fail, I'll look
for something that may be wrong with the bandsaw or my installation and

maintenance habits. After all, my saw was purchased for 200.00 and had
to be
modified for wood cutting. I had to remove a gearbox and direct-drive
the 1475 rpm
motor for cutting wood (with a reduction pulley of course) But maybe
it's still
running too fast! Have to look into it.

" wrote in message
They also said it was important to relieve the
tension on the
blade when not in use. I have to say that much of this sound a little
absurd to me,


I have a Quick Crank on my saw. Takes about three seconds to back off four
turns, another three to put it back next use. Tires will last longer that
way too.




I can't imagine them releasing the tension every evening on the 36"
bandsaw at the
mill shop I go to, and they never have any problems.

I wonder if the larger radius is easier on the welds too? Makes sense to
me.


I do know that ceramic guides can put a lot of friction on the blade. They
work well, but is it easy to make them too tight and potentially cause a
problem.