I was walking through a Home Depot the other day and came upon the RAS in
the lumber area. It had some fancy new jig on it for crosscutting lumber.
It was a monstrosity. There is basically no way of getting anywhere close
to the blade.

The lumber is slid in and a handle pushes the lumber up against the fence.
No hand is required to hold the wood and they even have a resting spot for
the free hand. The blade slides through a slot with a blade guard
covering the blade 100%.

This seems like safety taken to the extreme. Only someone brain dead
could possibly get hurt.

Brian Elfert

Brian Elfert wrote:
I was walking through a Home Depot the other day and came upon the RAS in
the lumber area. It had some fancy new jig on it for crosscutting lumber.
It was a monstrosity. There is basically no way of getting anywhere close
to the blade.

The lumber is slid in and a handle pushes the lumber up against the fence.
No hand is required to hold the wood and they even have a resting spot for
the free hand. The blade slides through a slot with a blade guard
covering the blade 100%.

This seems like safety taken to the extreme. Only someone brain dead
could possibly get hurt.

Brian Elfert

Never underestimate the power of the consumer to get injured in spite
of these safety devices. Then, nver underesstimate the power of the
consumer to remove these devices, get injured, then blame the
manufacturer for a) failing to design a safe device; b) failing to
forsee that the user would remove the safety device and plow a body
part into a spinning blade; and c) anything else a sharp lawyer could
come up with to earn a buck.

Geo wrote:

Never underestimate the power of the consumer to get injured in spite

of these safety devices. Then, nver underesstimate the power of the
consumer to remove these devices, get injured, then blame the
manufacturer for a) failing to design a safe device; b) failing to
forsee that the user would remove the safety device and plow a body
part into a spinning blade; and c) anything else a sharp lawyer could
come up with to earn a buck.

Amen, Amen, Amen.

My employees make it a point to take off such devices as they think
they are for weenies. Now the problem is that when you take of some of
he new safety devices on equipment that you make the tool 2X as
dangerous as it was before.

At least if you have the safety devices on the machine you have a
chance in court to defend yourself by proving you put some time and
money into the workplace to make it safer. I fear that soon the
attorneys will have a new gambit to play though:

"How come you didn't install a second safety feature on the first
safety feature to make sure it couldn't be removed?"

Robert

My employees make it a point to take off such devices as they think
they are for weenies. Now the problem is that when you take of some of
he new safety devices on equipment that you make the tool 2X as
dangerous as it was before.

If I had employees who did that they would become ex-employees in short
order.

Lee

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My employees make it a point to take off such devices as they think
they are for weenies. Now the problem is that when you take of some of
he new safety devices on equipment that you make the tool 2X as
dangerous as it was before.

If I had employees who did that they would become ex-employees in short
order.

Lee

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TeamCasa wrote:

"Lee Gordon" wrote in message
...
My employees make it a point to take off such devices as they think
they are for weenies. Now the problem is that when you take of some of
he new safety devices on equipment that you make the tool 2X as
dangerous as it was before.

If I had employees who did that they would become ex-employees in short
order.

Lee

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Dave

Here, too.

"Geo" writes:


Never underestimate the power of the consumer to get injured in spite
of these safety devices. Then, nver underesstimate the power of the
consumer to remove these devices, get injured, then blame the
manufacturer for a) failing to design a safe device; b) failing to
forsee that the user would remove the safety device and plow a body
part into a spinning blade; and c) anything else a sharp lawyer could
come up with to earn a buck.

This is something Home Depot added to the saw. It is even Home Depot
orange in color. I don't see how any employee could remove this without a
bunch of tools and a lot of time. It is not a simple safety guard like a
normal RAS.

It still seems like safety taken to the extreme. Somebody would have to
stick a hand in a foot or more to get to the blade.

Brian Elfert

Brian Elfert said:

This is something Home Depot added to the saw. It is even Home Depot
orange in color. I don't see how any employee could remove this without a
bunch of tools and a lot of time. It is not a simple safety guard like a
normal RAS.

It still seems like safety taken to the extreme. Somebody would have to
stick a hand in a foot or more to get to the blade.

Brian Elfert

Have you looked at the employees they hire? In the past two years
they have gone _steadily_ downhill in the 'smarts' department...


Greg G.

Greg G. wrote:
In the past two years
they have gone _steadily_ downhill in the 'smarts' department...

That's following my retail / fast food law.

The quality of service at retail and fast food joints is inverse to the
quality of the overall economy.

When the economy moves in a negative direction, the quality of retail
and fast food employee goes up, as talented, hard working folks need
jobs. As our economy enters a positive cycle, the better employees move
on into better jobs, leaving those unable to get better jobs behind.

Barry

B a r r y said:

Greg G. wrote:
In the past two years
they have gone _steadily_ downhill in the 'smarts' department...

That's following my retail / fast food law.

The quality of service at retail and fast food joints is inverse to the
quality of the overall economy.

When the economy moves in a negative direction, the quality of retail
and fast food employee goes up, as talented, hard working folks need
jobs. As our economy enters a positive cycle, the better employees move
on into better jobs, leaving those unable to get better jobs behind.

OK - So how does that explain a faltering economy AND the worthless
employees? Me thinks you need a new law... g

Law # 2: Avarice Rules.


Greg G.

Greg writes:

Have you looked at the employees they hire? In the past two years
they have gone _steadily_ downhill in the 'smarts' department...

Collectively? or Individually? :-)


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Bruce Barnett wrote:
Greg writes:

Have you looked at the employees they hire? In the past two years
they have gone _steadily_ downhill in the 'smarts' department...

Collectively? or Individually? :-)


What has an I.Q. of 200?





The state legislature.




*COLLECTIVELY*

Brian Elfert wrote:

"Geo" writes:

Never underestimate the power of the consumer to get injured in spite
of these safety devices. Then, nver underesstimate the power of the
consumer to remove these devices, get injured, then blame the
manufacturer for a) failing to design a safe device; b) failing to
forsee that the user would remove the safety device and plow a body
part into a spinning blade; and c) anything else a sharp lawyer could
come up with to earn a buck.

This is something Home Depot added to the saw. It is even Home Depot
orange in color. I don't see how any employee could remove this without a
bunch of tools and a lot of time. It is not a simple safety guard like a
normal RAS.

It still seems like safety taken to the extreme. Somebody would have to
stick a hand in a foot or more to get to the blade.

Seems very sensible to me from a management point of view---the cost of
a single lost-time accident would more than make up for the cost of the
modification...

It still seems like safety taken to the extreme.

There's no such thing, especially when idiots and power tools are allowed to
be in the same room.

Lee

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In article ,
Brian Elfert wrote:

I was walking through a Home Depot the other day and came upon the RAS in
the lumber area. It had some fancy new jig on it for crosscutting lumber.
It was a monstrosity. There is basically no way of getting anywhere close
to the blade.

The lumber is slid in and a handle pushes the lumber up against the fence.
No hand is required to hold the wood and they even have a resting spot for
the free hand. The blade slides through a slot with a blade guard
covering the blade 100%.

This seems like safety taken to the extreme. Only someone brain dead
could possibly get hurt.

Brian Elfert

Well, you never know. Back in my pizza slinging days, a new bus boy was
cleaning the meat slicer. Those commercial slicers were pretty well
guarded to keep up from cutting off our fingers. But somehow, and with
the safety guards in place, this dumb SOB found a way to cut his elbow!

PDX David

"Brian Elfert" wrote in message
...
I was walking through a Home Depot the other day and came upon the RAS in
the lumber area. It had some fancy new jig on it for crosscutting lumber.
It was a monstrosity. There is basically no way of getting anywhere close
to the blade.

The lumber is slid in and a handle pushes the lumber up against the fence.
No hand is required to hold the wood and they even have a resting spot for
the free hand. The blade slides through a slot with a blade guard
covering the blade 100%.

This seems like safety taken to the extreme. Only someone brain dead
could possibly get hurt.

Brian Elfert

The second they invent something idiot proof, along comes a better idiot....

I didn't make this up, but I've seen it in action more times than I care to
count.

jc

In article ,
noonenparticular wrote:

"Brian Elfert" wrote in message
...
I was walking through a Home Depot the other day and came upon the RAS in
the lumber area. It had some fancy new jig on it for crosscutting lumber.
It was a monstrosity. There is basically no way of getting anywhere close
to the blade.

The lumber is slid in and a handle pushes the lumber up against the fence.
No hand is required to hold the wood and they even have a resting spot for
the free hand. The blade slides through a slot with a blade guard
covering the blade 100%.

This seems like safety taken to the extreme. Only someone brain dead
could possibly get hurt.

Brian Elfert

The second they invent something idiot proof, along comes a better idiot....

I didn't make this up, but I've seen it in action more times than I care to
count.

"You can make a thing damn near fool-proof,
but you can't make it NEAR damn-fool proof."


"For every fool-proof invention, there
exists a sufficiently determined fool
capable of breaking it."

Only someone brain dead
could possibly get hurt.

Home Depot's got 'em.

Lee

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All these posts, and not a single one I coujld find that
mentioned whether the saftey gizmo worked, pros, cons, neutrals,
ease of use, etc.? Is THAT the way to discuss safety?

All that reading, and no information ;-(


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Pop wrote:

All that reading, and no information ;-(


You're new on Usenet? G

In article ,
Brian Elfert wrote:

I was walking through a Home Depot the other day and came upon the RAS in
the lumber area. It had some fancy new jig on it for crosscutting lumber.
It was a monstrosity. There is basically no way of getting anywhere close
to the blade.

The lumber is slid in and a handle pushes the lumber up against the fence.
No hand is required to hold the wood and they even have a resting spot for
the free hand. The blade slides through a slot with a blade guard
covering the blade 100%.

This seems like safety taken to the extreme. Only someone brain dead
could possibly get hurt.

Brian Elfert

Given the general caliber of the people working in HD, I find it pretty
scary that they even have a RAS at all.

There is plenty of industrial equipment which requires that you operate two
"start" buttons at the same time, each one hidden under a guard, and
several feet away from each other. All this to make sure both hands are
away from the business end of the machine when you turn it on.