Does anyone have the plans to the New Yankee Workshop Deluxe Router Station?

Kirk wrote:
Does anyone have the plans to the New Yankee Workshop Deluxe Router Station?


http://www.newyankee.com/getproduct3.cgi?0301


JES

Yes. Next question?

"Kirk" wrote in message
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Does anyone have the plans to the New Yankee Workshop Deluxe Router Station?

In article ,
"Kirk" wrote:

Does anyone have the plans to the New Yankee Workshop Deluxe Router Station?

I don't...yet.....but if you have one to spare, I'll take one!

Norm does

Kirk, I gues you can tell by the replies so far that most folks think
you ought to buy them. Otherwise, you're stealling. I agree.

There are a lot of folks that post political messages to this group
that expect things for free, too, especially if the taxpayer is paying.
I hope you're not one of them. (That ought to make this thread grow to
a bazillion posts. Let the wild ruckus begin.)

Kirk wrote:
Does anyone have the plans to the New Yankee Workshop Deluxe Router Station?

In article .com,
"A.M. Wood" wrote:

Norm does

Norm no more owns the rights to those drawings than The Rolling Stones
own the rights to Satisfaction.

"Never Enough Money" wrote in message
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Kirk, I gues you can tell by the replies so far that most folks think
you ought to buy them. Otherwise, you're stealling. I agree.


Kirk wrote:
Does anyone have the plans to the New Yankee Workshop Deluxe Router
Station?


I could see someone asking a question like this but then follow it up with
some questions like "How detailed are the plans?" "Are all materials and
dimensions well specified?" "Are all the hardware fully specified and
sources listed?" Depending on how experienced, or how adventurous, one is
those kinds of issues could be very important, i.e., successful completion
of the project vs. a pile of parts that need dusting. On the other hand if
someone is out to simply steal the plans that is not acceptable.

John

Never Enough Money wrote:
Kirk, I gues you can tell by the replies so far that most folks think
you ought to buy them. Otherwise, you're stealling. I agree.

Does anyone have the plans to the New Yankee Workshop Deluxe Router Station?

Stealing is a completely different thing. It's copyright infringement
that you are referring to. If someone were to pass around copies of the
plans that would be copyright infringement, not theft, because the
copyright owner isn't being deprived of any material thing. [S]He has
been granted a monopoly on the right to copy the material in question.

And it wouldn't be right to infringe upon that.

However, the elements of the plans that are not copyrightable could, in
theory, be assembled for posting. The plans could also be substantially
changed and then posted. One could also detail one's construction of
the object of those plans and that might constitute a fair-use release
of information from those plans. That's because the created work is one
of one's own experience using those plans, which has a different goal
from a howto on the construction of the object. It is a derivative
work, however, and unless it is more than a little (what is it...
there's a percentage number associated with this I can't remember?)
different it may be infringing. I don't believe that the materials
lists are copyrightable....

But I am not a lawyer, nor have I looked into case law relevant to
plans, so take that information for what its worth (hint: I didn't
charge you for it.)

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I think it comes down to how the material is transferred. If I buy the
plans from Norm for $25, use them and build the cabinet, then sell the
originals to Kirk for $12 that is OK. Or give them to him for free.
But if I copy them and sell/give them to Kirk, that is not.

The Rolling Stones DO own the rights to Satisfaction. Nobody else can
sing it, that would be a sacriledge.

-Jim

jtpr wrote:
I think it comes down to how the material is transferred. If I buy the
plans from Norm for $25, use them and build the cabinet, then sell the
originals to Kirk for $12 that is OK. Or give them to him for free.
But if I copy them and sell/give them to Kirk, that is not.

These are all true. I was trying to illustrate what infringement is and
is not, but was only concerning myself with stuff beyond literal
copying. If you copied the article and used the copy to protect the
original as an archive, you would be obliged to destroy the copy or
include it with the original if you were to sell it.

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jtpr wrote:

I think it comes down to how the material is transferred. If I buy the
plans from Norm for $25, use them and build the cabinet, then sell the
originals to Kirk for $12 that is OK. Or give them to him for free.

Not quite.

If you bother to dig deep enough, think you will find that you purchased
a license to use the plans to build a single unit for personal use from
NYW or other similar sellers of plans or intellectual property.

This is the same arrangement made by software companies and naval
architects when the sell you software or a set of boat plans.

Lew

On 28 Nov 2005 14:15:44 -0800, "jtpr" wrote:

The Rolling Stones DO own the rights to Satisfaction. Nobody else can
sing it, that would be a sacriledge.

-Jim

On one of the Golden Throats albums by Rhino they present Mae West
singing it.

Yummy.

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:47:02 GMT, Lew Hodgett
wrote:

jtpr wrote:

I think it comes down to how the material is transferred. If I buy the
plans from Norm for $25, use them and build the cabinet, then sell the
originals to Kirk for $12 that is OK. Or give them to him for free.

Not quite.

If you bother to dig deep enough, think you will find that you purchased
a license to use the plans to build a single unit for personal use from
NYW or other similar sellers of plans or intellectual property.

This is the same arrangement made by software companies and naval
architects when the sell you software or a set of boat plans.

Lew

So youre telling me if I want to build 4 units of the jewerly chest
that I have to purchase 4 drawings? WRONG. There is nothing on any
of his drawings limiting it to how many I can build. I have several
of his drawings and nothing is on there expect it cannot be reproduced
or copied.

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:53:01 -0800, DL wrote:

On 28 Nov 2005 14:15:44 -0800, "jtpr" wrote:

The Rolling Stones DO own the rights to Satisfaction. Nobody else can
sing it, that would be a sacriledge.

-Jim

On one of the Golden Throats albums by Rhino they present Mae West
singing it.

That brings up a visual that I just can't handle - of course watching
a set of geriatric musicians sing it is a bit hard to take as well. It
just isn't a song for the geritol and viagra set.

--
"We need to make a sacrifice to the gods, find me a young virgin... oh, and bring something to kill"

Tim Douglass

http://www.DouglassClan.com

Lew Hodgett wrote:
jtpr wrote:

I think it comes down to how the material is transferred. If I buy the
plans from Norm for $25, use them and build the cabinet, then sell the
originals to Kirk for $12 that is OK. Or give them to him for free.


Not quite.

If you bother to dig deep enough, think you will find that you purchased
a license to use the plans to build a single unit for personal use from
NYW or other similar sellers of plans or intellectual property.

If you have to dig for it it probably cannot trump fair-use right of
first sale. In fact, unless you are signing a contract, you'd have a
very weak case if you tried to assert rights beyond what you are given
by copyright law.

This is the same arrangement made by software companies and naval
architects when the sell you software or a set of boat plans.

Naval architects use contracts and signatures. Software companies on
the other hand, are trying, trying, and trying still again (with mixed
results... it's all up in the air when you have a jury trial and large
corps SLAPPing their customers) to get legal recognition for the shrink
wrap license.

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"Tim Douglass" wrote in message
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It
just isn't a song for the geritol and viagra set.

Then you better tell Mick to quit singing it.

"Norm no more owns the rights to those drawings than The Rolling Stones

own the rights to Satisfaction. "

WIthout a copy of Norm's agreement with the show's producers/owners we
can only assume what he does and does not own.

However this is about posession, not ownership and it does seem
reasonable to assume that Norm has a copy.

Kirk wrote:
Does anyone have the plans to the New Yankee Workshop Deluxe Router Station?

Kirk:

While for $10 or so, you can buy the plans, just viewing that show
should give you enough information to build a router table on your own.
That way, you can make whatever customizations you want. The hardware
(including the "improved" switch) is all available from Rockler.

It's essentially a sheet of birch plywood with dados, assembled into a
cabinet, with assorted drawers and bit storage. I watched the show a
couple times, took the ideas I liked and then built my own.

~Mark.