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"Lil' Dave" wrote in message link.net... "Don" wrote in message ink.net... "Lil' Dave" wrote "Nehmo" wrote How should this house be built and what should it have? Don't live there, don't build there. You're an idiot if you do. Then there's 1/2 a million idiots living rather well here in the target zone of Lee County, Florida. You can look at history and become smarter for it, or you can go on USENET and blindly swing pointed sticks. Cows have that too, its called herd instinct. Today's typical mindset, impression that it qualifiies since the herd is doing it, doesn't involve much higher thinking. Moo. I can't argue with that. I'll make sure I never own more than 1 cow at a time. ;-) |
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Would one of those transparent plastic tent/ water purifiers that they say to use if you're adrift at sea work on nasty flood waters? Or is it just for getting the salt out of sea water? Anyoone know? They work by evaporating water, which is volatile, and then condensing it on the cool surface. Depends on the other contents, like salt, not being volatile. For the nasty mix along the gulf coast, part of the problem is petroleum components, which are also volatile. So it might actually produce a product water with a higher concentration of some of the impurities. Depends on vapor pressure, condensation temperature, etc. Steve |
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"EagleMtn" wrote I dobt that a concrete wall will stop a backhoe. Built properly, a concrete wall can stop just about anything. Think: Hoover Dam. Think shaped charge. :-) Matt |
"Matt Whiting" wrote
Don wrote: "EagleMtn" wrote I dobt that a concrete wall will stop a backhoe. Built properly, a concrete wall can stop just about anything. Think: Hoover Dam. Think shaped charge. :-) Think collateral damage. Rather than try to get in the heavily reinforced front door, just chainsaw a hole through the wall. |
On 10-Sep-2005, "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote: How long will it take a backhoe to get through it? In the case of the HA, their primary goal was to slow down, not necessarily stop the cops. The large concrete blocks in front of the concrete wall keep a backhoe at a significant distance too. All in all, the design looks like a typical US embassy or consulate. Mike |
Don wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote Don wrote: "EagleMtn" wrote I dobt that a concrete wall will stop a backhoe. Built properly, a concrete wall can stop just about anything. Think: Hoover Dam. Think shaped charge. :-) Think collateral damage. Rather than try to get in the heavily reinforced front door, just chainsaw a hole through the wall. I was talking about the dam. I'm not sure a chainsaw would be that effective... :-) Matt |
hole through the wall. I was talking about the dam. I'm not sure a chainsaw would be that effective... :-) Matt Depends on how much time you have, and where you start using it. |
As the cop was armed, and was approaching the cameraman with a threatening tone, he deserved to be shot right in the face. Wouldn't his wife and kids like that? Why would a grown man (the cop) act that way? The excuse is that the presence of a camera encourages people play TO the camera, and thus makes them harder to control than otherwise. The REASON is because cops are control freaks. |
Put a composting toilet on the second floor. And add a rooftop vegetable garden. And a cistern to catch rain water. Life could be sustained indefinitely. Only if you've got a really big freaking roof. What you really want is to replace the attic and roof with a greenhouse, so as to control pests and weather. But the people/sqft ratio is really low, until you start investing in some serious intensive gardening equipment. --Goedjn |
"Matt Whiting" wrote
Don wrote: "Matt Whiting" wrote Don wrote: "EagleMtn" wrote I dobt that a concrete wall will stop a backhoe. Built properly, a concrete wall can stop just about anything. Think: Hoover Dam. Think shaped charge. :-) Think collateral damage. Rather than try to get in the heavily reinforced front door, just chainsaw a hole through the wall. I was talking about the dam. I'm not sure a chainsaw would be that effective... :-) Just went looking for it and couldn't find it, but, a couple weeks ago my brother sent me a link for a chainsaw that cuts concrete. It might not do much regarding Hoover, but I'd still like to have one in my stable. |
The answer will be a storm-proof safe room built on top of this concrete structure. It will probably be the size of a large bathroom and made of steel or concrete for protection against flying debris or tree falls. It should be capable of being buttoned down and float upright like a boat should it be dislodged. At that level of storm intensity there is no longer any consideration of living in it to guard your property. All you want is to survive the perfect storm and get the hell out, a stay of less than 48 hours. Disagreement: If you're going to this length, you should use a more reasonable figure for time-to-rescue of 7 days. 72 hours is the figure used for people who are trying to do the best they can with what's available. 72 hours is what you should keep in the trunk of your car. |
Don wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote Don wrote: "Matt Whiting" wrote Don wrote: "EagleMtn" wrote I dobt that a concrete wall will stop a backhoe. Built properly, a concrete wall can stop just about anything. Think: Hoover Dam. Think shaped charge. :-) Think collateral damage. Rather than try to get in the heavily reinforced front door, just chainsaw a hole through the wall. I was talking about the dam. I'm not sure a chainsaw would be that effective... :-) Just went looking for it and couldn't find it, but, a couple weeks ago my brother sent me a link for a chainsaw that cuts concrete. It might not do much regarding Hoover, but I'd still like to have one in my stable. While I've never heard of a concrete chainsaw, they *do* make portable concrete circular saws. Notan |
Just went looking for it and couldn't find it, but, a couple weeks ago my brother sent me a link for a chainsaw that cuts concrete. It might not do much regarding Hoover, but I'd still like to have one in my stable. While I've never heard of a concrete chainsaw, they *do* make portable concrete circular saws. Notan http://www.jimslimstools.com/Cat_ICS..._Chainsaw.aspx |
On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 18:12:50 -0400, "Chris" wrote:
"Upscale" wrote in message ... "Notan" wrote in message Underground would prevent *all* wind damage, but the house would have to be 110% waterproof/watertight, and have some type of above-ground ventilation system. House built into the side of a mountain that is above sea level. ~ preferably in a lesser earthquake zone. Versus the mountains that are below sea-level???????????????????? Looks like all of the major concrete buildings in downtown N.O. "survived" Katrina noting the obvious problems with windows being blown out and the roof of the Superdome falling apart. The dumb decicions would be the placement of critical facilities at the ground (flooding level), for locating emergency generators, electrical rooms, HVAC, etc. It would seem that if these were located at higher floors to begin with, coupled with larger emergency water tanks and fuel supplies, and perhaps a 2 week pre-placed food supply, that these buildings would make nice shelters against future hurricanes (even cat. 5). Elsewhere in the city, critical cellular and municipal communications towers should have been hardened for maximum strength and have all generators and ground facilities elevated above the flooding level. Beachcomber |
"Notan" wrote in message ... Don wrote: "Matt Whiting" wrote Don wrote: "Matt Whiting" wrote Don wrote: "EagleMtn" wrote I dobt that a concrete wall will stop a backhoe. Built properly, a concrete wall can stop just about anything. Think: Hoover Dam. Think shaped charge. :-) Think collateral damage. Rather than try to get in the heavily reinforced front door, just chainsaw a hole through the wall. I was talking about the dam. I'm not sure a chainsaw would be that effective... :-) Just went looking for it and couldn't find it, but, a couple weeks ago my brother sent me a link for a chainsaw that cuts concrete. It might not do much regarding Hoover, but I'd still like to have one in my stable. While I've never heard of a concrete chainsaw, they *do* make portable concrete circular saws. Yeah, my brother has one of those, we used it for score cutting my driveway, and I have blades for cutting concrete/masonry for my saws. You have to wear goggles and an aspirator, lots of smoke. http://www.jimslimstools.com/detail.aspx?ID=1734 http://www.cessco.us/concrete_chainsaws.html |
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... |=20 | | The answer will be a storm-proof safe room built on top of this | concrete structure. It will probably be the size of a large bathroom | and made of steel or concrete for protection against flying debris or | tree falls. It should be capable of being buttoned down and float | upright like a boat should it be dislodged. At that level of storm | intensity there is no longer any consideration of living in it to | guard your property. All you want is to survive the perfect storm = and | get the hell out, a stay of less than 48 hours. |=20 | Disagreement: If you're going to this length, you should use a more | reasonable figure for time-to-rescue of 7 days. 72 hours | is the figure used for people who are trying to do the best=20 | they can with what's available. 72 hours is what you should | keep in the trunk of your car. |=20 |=20 |=20 Seems to me Noah planned for a longer stay. Also seems his structure was a bit bigger too. BG --=20 PDQ -- |
"PDQ" wrote in message ... "Goedjn" wrote in message ... Seems to me Noah planned for a longer stay. Also seems his structure was a bit bigger too. You were there? |
That *might* keep out the thug looters in Nawlins.
"Lee DeRaud" wrote in message ... On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 18:08:19 -0400, "Upscale" wrote: "Notan" wrote in message Underground would prevent *all* wind damage, but the house would have to be 110% waterproof/watertight, and have some type of above-ground ventilation system. House built into the side of a mountain that is above sea level. ~ preferably in a lesser earthquake zone. Here's a turn-key design, courtesy of Uncle Sam: https://www.cheyennemountain.af.mil/thedesign.htm Lee |
Notan wrote:
s wrote: Just went looking for it and couldn't find it, but, a couple weeks ago my brother sent me a link for a chainsaw that cuts concrete. It might not do much regarding Hoover, but I'd still like to have one in my stable. While I've never heard of a concrete chainsaw, they *do* make portable concrete circular saws. Notan http://www.jimslimstools.com/Cat_ICS..._Chainsaw.aspx OK, *now* I've heard of a concrete chainsaw! It didn't look to be made of concrete to me. Matt |
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"CW" wrote in message = ink.net... |=20 | "PDQ" wrote in message | ... | "Goedjn" wrote in message | ... |=20 | Seems to me Noah planned for a longer stay. | Also seems his structure was a bit bigger too. |=20 | You were there? |=20 |=20 There are days when I feel as if I were. Mostly, I have to go by what I read. --=20 PDQ -- |
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 00:18:18 GMT, "CW" wrote:
"PDQ" wrote in message . .. "Goedjn" wrote in message .. . Seems to me Noah planned for a longer stay. Also seems his structure was a bit bigger too. You were there? I think he read about it somewhere. I believe that story is in a book that's an anthology of sorts. ;) |
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 21:27:49 -0400, "PDQ" wrote:
-- "CW" wrote in message ink.net... | | "PDQ" wrote in message | ... | "Goedjn" wrote in message | ... | | Seems to me Noah planned for a longer stay. | Also seems his structure was a bit bigger too. | | You were there? | | There are days when I feel as if I were. Mostly, I have to go by what I read. -- PDQ well, here... read this: http://www.venganza.org/ |
You know because my girlfirend lives in Monroe, LA she deserves nothing
less than a 15,000 square foor mansion. See my new post asking about the Richardsonian Romanesque style house since my dream is to build her (&me) a huge tornado proof mansion if I ever become rich enough. But all of your ideas are good though. |
Bottom line is 30 days! Katrina shows areas still under flood waters, well
after a week. The object is NOT rescue! I maintain 6 months food and water in my food cellar. This will allow me to ride out the worst and be able to relocate to safer area if need be and still maintain a solid homefront! "Goedjn" wrote in message ... The answer will be a storm-proof safe room built on top of this concrete structure. It will probably be the size of a large bathroom and made of steel or concrete for protection against flying debris or tree falls. It should be capable of being buttoned down and float upright like a boat should it be dislodged. At that level of storm intensity there is no longer any consideration of living in it to guard your property. All you want is to survive the perfect storm and get the hell out, a stay of less than 48 hours. Disagreement: If you're going to this length, you should use a more reasonable figure for time-to-rescue of 7 days. 72 hours is the figure used for people who are trying to do the best they can with what's available. 72 hours is what you should keep in the trunk of your car. |
"HMFIC-1369" wrote
Bottom line is 30 days! Katrina shows areas still under flood waters, well after a week. The object is NOT rescue! I maintain 6 months food and water in my food cellar. How much space does 6 months worth of food and water occupy? |
Don wrote:
"HMFIC-1369" wrote Bottom line is 30 days! Katrina shows areas still under flood waters, well after a week. The object is NOT rescue! I maintain 6 months food and water in my food cellar. How much space does 6 months worth of food and water occupy? More significantly, how does one prevent the flooding of the cellar or the complete destruction of the entire dwelling given a Cat 5 or Fujita 5 storm? |
Don wrote:
"Duane Bozarth" wrote Don wrote: "HMFIC-1369" wrote Bottom line is 30 days! Katrina shows areas still under flood waters, well after a week. The object is NOT rescue! I maintain 6 months food and water in my food cellar. How much space does 6 months worth of food and water occupy? More significantly, how does one prevent the flooding of the cellar or the complete destruction of the entire dwelling given a Cat 5 or Fujita 5 storm? Here in SW FL, home of the 4 hellraisers of 04', everything below the 10' level (10' above sea level) is considered a lost cause. FEMA specifically addresses these items in the building codes. Precisely my point...to do what HMFIC wants in general is a very difficult and expensive task. You can be prepared for ordinary events pretty well and make things a lot easier on yourself, but in a catastrophic situation things are likely to get out of hand for almost everybody in the affected area. |
"Duane Bozarth" wrote
Don wrote: "HMFIC-1369" wrote Bottom line is 30 days! Katrina shows areas still under flood waters, well after a week. The object is NOT rescue! I maintain 6 months food and water in my food cellar. How much space does 6 months worth of food and water occupy? More significantly, how does one prevent the flooding of the cellar or the complete destruction of the entire dwelling given a Cat 5 or Fujita 5 storm? Here in SW FL, home of the 4 hellraisers of 04', everything below the 10' level (10' above sea level) is considered a lost cause. FEMA specifically addresses these items in the building codes. |
"Duane Bozarth" wrote
Precisely my point...to do what HMFIC wants in general is a very difficult and expensive task. You can be prepared for ordinary events pretty well and make things a lot easier on yourself, but in a catastrophic situation things are likely to get out of hand for almost everybody in the affected area. I design large scale custom homes on the barrier islands off the coast of SW Florida. These homes are inherently expensive for several reasons, not just because of the so called *personal greed* of the owners. I've heard that upwards of 60% of the residents of NOLA were at the poverty level or lower. The buildings that housed these people probably won't be rebuilt. I've also heard that most of those folks in that 60% have already been relocated, some have jobs and are moving on with their lives, probably aren't concerned with moving back to NOLA. So what's left? The infrastructure, businesses and residences. Here, in the 130mph wind zone we address the issue 2 ways. Either the land under the structure must place the finished floor at 10.0' above sea level, which is what is done here on the mainland. Or the home has got to be elevated on driven of jetted pilings so the the finished floor is at least 10.0' above sea level. My own home, built 3 years ago on the mainland, required more than 60 truck loads of fill dirt to get the concrete slab up to the requirement, it also required an additional 15 loads to do the finish grading at the end. Each year the height requirement seems to increase, the new home across the street from me is at least 1-1/2' higher than mine. Its never ending around here. In 20 years the only thing that will be allowed to be built around here will be poured in place solid concrete domes anchored to the mantle itself with precast 80' pilings 4' on center both ways. ;-( |
On 12-Sep-2005, "Don" wrote: FEMA specifically addresses these items in the building codes. FEMA sets building codes? Mike |
Don wrote:
"Duane Bozarth" wrote Precisely my point...to do what HMFIC wants in general is a very difficult and expensive task. You can be prepared for ordinary events pretty well and make things a lot easier on yourself, but in a catastrophic situation things are likely to get out of hand for almost everybody in the affected area. I design large scale custom homes on the barrier islands off the coast of SW Florida. These homes are inherently expensive for several reasons, not just because of the so called *personal greed* of the owners. Yes, when one attempts to do something inherently fool^h^h^h^hrisky, one should at least make the effort to protect the investment. It's still an area not really suitable for the use. I've heard that upwards of 60% of the residents of NOLA were at the poverty level or lower. The buildings that housed these people probably won't be rebuilt. Those that were flooded, probably not, although what is going to be done is pretty well still in the future... I've also heard that most of those folks in that 60% have already been relocated, some have jobs and are moving on with their lives, probably aren't concerned with moving back to NOLA. Relocated, yes. Permanent location, job? I suspect that would probably be 1%, so far. So what's left? The infrastructure, businesses and residences. Some is, a of lot that isn't even left or worth the cost of rebuilding, either. They're talking of trashing the Superdome, even, which was a pretty substantial structure and investment. Here, in the 130mph wind zone we address the issue 2 ways. 130 mph is strong, but certainly far below the full-force 200+ mph plus storm surge of a head-on coastal barrage. 130 mph is "designable" for survival at a cost that isn't totally prohibitive. As you're well aware, that cost will escalate rapidly as the design criteria rise. .... Each year the height requirement seems to increase, the new home across the street from me is at least 1-1/2' higher than mine. Guaranteeing, after the rest are elevated that the low spots will then be flooded. In 20 years the only thing that will be allowed to be built around here will be poured in place solid concrete domes anchored to the mantle itself with precast 80' pilings 4' on center both ways. ;-( As it should be if in such a location. It simply isn't a very good choice of location for building permanent structures. I've thought what folks who want to live in such places should do would be to simply build disposable houses and when the big one comes leave, planning from the beginning to simply bulldoze and start again. Be cheaper, structurally, albeit less convenient. |
Michael Daly wrote:
On 12-Sep-2005, "Don" wrote: FEMA specifically addresses these items in the building codes. FEMA sets building codes? No, not specifically. They have made some efforts particularly since the spate of FL hurricanes to address design issues regarding roofs, etc., for enhancing survivability. The results I've seen haven't been uniformly successful attempts as, for one example, the guidelines for upgrading asbestos shingle roofs apparently were developed and published internally or w/ consulting input but not using any input from any of the manufacturers, etc. Consequently, there are published guidelines for which there are no commercially available materials to meet. |
You know because my girlfirend lives in Monroe, LA she deserves nothing less than a 15,000 square foor mansion. See my new post asking about the Richardsonian Romanesque style house since my dream is to build her (&me) a huge tornado proof mansion if I ever become rich enough. But all of your ideas are good though. Cat-5 Hurricane winds start at 155mph. Tornados start at around 200mph, and a Cat-5 tornado has wind speeds in excess of 300mph. Wind loads appear to be calculated according to the formula PSF=(mph^2)/250, or thereabouts. So for a worst-case hurricane, you have to design for side-loads (and uplift) of 160PSF, whereas for tornadoes, its around 360PSF. For comparison, the floor of your house is typically designed for around 60PSF. (Of course the limit for the floor is acceptable deflection, rather than yield strength, so if you built your house so that any face could be the floor, you'd probably be OK in the hurricane.) The good news is, if you can manage this, floodwaters should be trivial, at least in terms of mechanical damage. |
Bottom line is 30 days! Katrina shows areas still under flood waters, well after a week. The object is NOT rescue! I maintain 6 months food and water in my food cellar. How much space does 6 months worth of food and water occupy? Less than 50 cubic feet, but not much less. If you stored it under the bed, the bed would have to be 32" high, plus the mattress. It would also weigh in excess of one US statute ton, so you might want to spread it around a bit. (Reality check: Dinty Moore Beef stew is 222 calories/cup, so you need 10 cups/day. Since it comes in cans, there's wasted space to the tune of an extra 25% so the storage volume is 12.5 cups/day or around 10 days/cubic foot, for food. Counting the wasted space, water is around 7 gallons/cubic foot. with around, .4cuft wasted space. Figure 2000 calories/day, and 1 gallon of water.) Use the space between cans and bottles for vitamin supplements, other drugs, variety-food) Each of your 1,800 cups of stew weighs 236 grams, or around 1/2 a pound, call it 1,000 pounds of stew and can. Each of your 180 gallons of water weighs 8 1/3 pounds or 1500 pounds, total.) Note that you can probably get your food volume/weight down if you work at it, but most of the really lightweight/small packaged foods depend on having a ready supply of water to re-constitute. Rumor has it that eating a dehydrated ration without rehydrating it FIRST is really, really bad. As in, may well kill you bad. --Goedjn |
"Duane Bozarth" wrote
Michael Daly wrote: "Don" wrote: FEMA specifically addresses these items in the building codes. FEMA sets building codes? No, not specifically. They have made some efforts particularly since the spate of FL hurricanes to address design issues regarding roofs, etc., for enhancing survivability. The results I've seen haven't been uniformly successful attempts as, for one example, the guidelines for upgrading asbestos shingle roofs apparently were developed and published internally or w/ consulting input but not using any input from any of the manufacturers, etc. Consequently, there are published guidelines for which there are no commercially available materials to meet. Here in Lee County they use sort of a hybrid code, geared specifically for this area. Its rooted in the FBC but has many added rules. The FEMA parameters take precedent. This whole code thing is getting to be out of control. Its to the point now that most people design the building and then submit for a permit and let the plans examiner determine what works and what doesn't. I've dotted every I and crossed the T's and still get rejected. Its a good thing computers came along when they did because it would be very difficult to do a set of plans by hand, with all the notes and details and stuff that are required. |
"Goedjn" wrote
Dinty Moore Beef stew is 222 calories/cup, so you need 10 cups/day. Jeez, 10 cups a day? I'd be as big as a whale if I ate all that stuff! LOL During the 5 days of Charley last year I ate very little, maybe 2 or 3 cold chicken breasts and 3 or 4 cold sandwiches. But I was drinking about 4 gallons of water a day, at least. (I rigged a 220v jumper to my generator to charge the well equipment each day. Our aerator holds 80 gallons) The thing is, we were waiting on the edge of our seats for the power to come back on the whole time. We were hearing on the radio the power was coming back on in various parts of the city each day and it took a full 5 days to restore ours. So the whole time we were sort of in turmoil, not knowing what was going on. If we knew we'd be without power for a month or more we would have done things differently. We had one generator but we had to use it sparingly cause we couldn't get fuel. For a long term endeavor I'd probably get a 2nd generator and then drive long distance to get some serious quantities of fuel. Also, I didn't take the storm warning too seriously (Charley made a last minute change of course and headed straight for us 3 hours prior to impact) so I was cash poor at the time and with the power out all over the city I couldn't access any funds. The stores that were open were accepting cash only as their equipment was down. Next time I'll have at least $1000 cash on me. The very center of Charley passed about 4 miles to the west of us, right up through the Pine Island Sound and then straight up the Peace River to Punta Gorda / Port Charlotte, so we were right on the worst edge. And yes, it does sound like what you'd imagine a freight train sounds like. You can't really appreciate the magnitude of 150mph wind and 300 mph microbursts by watching it on TV, it has to be felt in person. Its a little overwhelming to realize the very earth is attempting to kill you. LOL |
I'm not a survivor nut just a Cosco, BJ, Sams kind a guy. Food really not
much space, but water is a lot, but you can cut water if using a lot of canned foods (because of water). I keep lots of dried legumes, nuts and fruits. I also pick up cases of ensure and power bars when on sale. But don't laugh I actually have a river next to the house... The water is for the little woman. I got my filtration pac. I use 1/2 Gal. perday this is good for heat of summer. I have 20 5 gallon and 10 1 gallon and 6 32 bottle cases. With all the food and gear 12 foot wide by 36" deep and 8 foot high. It takes up one small wall. The water is really no problem I get it delivered, plus we don't use tap here many years ago it was great but the last 10 heavy chlorination. and normal daily use is pretty consistent with morning coffee to 1 G. "Don" wrote in message link.net... "HMFIC-1369" wrote Bottom line is 30 days! Katrina shows areas still under flood waters, well after a week. The object is NOT rescue! I maintain 6 months food and water in my food cellar. How much space does 6 months worth of food and water occupy? |
We don't get much Cat 5's up here!!!!
"Duane Bozarth" wrote in message ... Don wrote: "HMFIC-1369" wrote Bottom line is 30 days! Katrina shows areas still under flood waters, well after a week. The object is NOT rescue! I maintain 6 months food and water in my food cellar. How much space does 6 months worth of food and water occupy? More significantly, how does one prevent the flooding of the cellar or the complete destruction of the entire dwelling given a Cat 5 or Fujita 5 storm? |
The food is expensive? Look if need be I can pack a canoe or the Kayaks and
head where ever! Don't over estimate the fear factor, in a catastrophic event, you already beat the system if you live. Then you have to address what and where. I'm located in a pretty good valley that protects is from all directions because of how it follows the river. I could flood but that would have to be enough to flood the whole valley and since it's most narrow miles north the flood plains will handle it there. and honestly if anything does flood the food and gear are all sealed. I wouldn't build a house to take a Cat 5, I'd let it go and move!!! "Duane Bozarth" wrote in message ... Don wrote: "Duane Bozarth" wrote Don wrote: "HMFIC-1369" wrote Bottom line is 30 days! Katrina shows areas still under flood waters, well after a week. The object is NOT rescue! I maintain 6 months food and water in my food cellar. How much space does 6 months worth of food and water occupy? More significantly, how does one prevent the flooding of the cellar or the complete destruction of the entire dwelling given a Cat 5 or Fujita 5 storm? Here in SW FL, home of the 4 hellraisers of 04', everything below the 10' level (10' above sea level) is considered a lost cause. FEMA specifically addresses these items in the building codes. Precisely my point...to do what HMFIC wants in general is a very difficult and expensive task. You can be prepared for ordinary events pretty well and make things a lot easier on yourself, but in a catastrophic situation things are likely to get out of hand for almost everybody in the affected area. |
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