I bought this DVD recorder about a month ago. I'm in
the process of transferring all my VHS tapes to DVD.
Of course, my collection of NYW gets priority.

I'm up to 1995 (#13 = chimney cupboard).

I have to admit that I am really enjoying watching the
old shows. Some are from HGTV - and quite harshly
edited (by HGTV) - I really like the episodes that I
taped off PBS (ugh - I used to contribute) - they have a little
more detail (about 4 minutes worth I think).

It is interesting to see how Norm progresses through the
years - and the variety of tools that he uses. I think that
I have seen at least three 12" planers, several jointer/planer
combos, a couple miter/sliding miter saws and a few lathes.
One thing that has not changed is the biscuit joiner - Lamello.
I don't hink that he has used any other so far (6 years). Check
LRod for confirmation.

So each morning lately, I brew a fresh pot of 'lite' Jo for SWMBO &
myself. Pick up the papers off the driveway and sit back to
another 4 or 5 episodes of NYW. SWMBO sits patiently reading about
the Phillies lastest debacle or doing the daily crossword.

Really enjoying this exercise tho - doesn't take much when you're
retired - which is the great thing about it!

For some reason, I missed most of season 15 (the 'flagpole' season),
and a couple here and there - around 18 total.

Do I really need the "easel" episode?

Well...yes I do!

Around 10:00. my workday begins - new trim around all the
windows/doors in the family room. New roof later this month
(local contractor of course).

Exciting times.

Lou
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"loutent" wrote in message
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I bought this DVD recorder about a month ago. I'm in
the process of transferring all my VHS tapes to DVD.
Of course, my collection of NYW gets priority.

I'm up to 1995 (#13 = chimney cupboard).

I have to admit that I am really enjoying watching the
old shows. Some are from HGTV - and quite harshly
edited (by HGTV) - I really like the episodes that I
taped off PBS (ugh - I used to contribute) - they have a little
more detail (about 4 minutes worth I think).


I would question the missing parts in the HGTV versions of the shows. I
would imagine that the length of the show to be about 28 minutes on PBS
after the "brought to you by" commercials before and after the show.

Normal 30 minute series are actually 18 minutes long on commercial TV. That
leaves a whole 10 minutes missing from the HGTV version. Even if we figured
that at 7 minutes that is still a lot to miss.

I still think it is sick that PBS sold any of their shows off. More so
after they fired good old Bob for making a buck.

SIDE NOTE: M.A.S.H. was the last "rebel" TV series to force the previous 23
minute version of their show after the networks switched to an 18 minute run
time. Funny how we never noticed.


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On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 20:53:22 -0400, loutent wrote:


One thing that has not changed is the biscuit joiner - Lamello.
I don't hink that he has used any other so far (6 years). Check
LRod for confirmation.

Biscuit Joiners Episodes
Delta 32-100 Biscuit Joiner 308, 508
DeWalt 682 Biscuit Joiner 701, 804
Elu 2278 Biscuit Joiner 203-501
Lamello Top-20 Biscuit Joiner 506-
Lamello Cordless 10 Biscuit Joiner 901
Porter-Cable 556 Biscuit Joiner 312-406
Porter-Cable 557 Biscuit Joiner 9907+

There have been a couple of episodes where he's used both the Lamello
and the P-C in the same episode. He hasn't given up the P-C entirely,
but you're right, the Lamello is the king. He has, however, cut down
on biscuit use the last couple of seasons.

PBS vs HGTV--it's only about 2 minutes or so of lost time. The PBS
episodes are 24 minutes and the HGTV average 22. I had an overlap of
four or five episodes in '98 in which I had both a PBS tape and an
HGTV tape and compared them. I couldn't find anything substantive that
had been removed--a setup for sawing, or a planing operation, for
example.

Thanks for thinking of me.

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Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

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"LRod" wrote in message
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On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 20:53:22 -0400, loutent wrote:


One thing that has not changed is the biscuit joiner - Lamello.
I don't hink that he has used any other so far (6 years). Check
LRod for confirmation.

Biscuit Joiners Episodes
Delta 32-100 Biscuit Joiner 308, 508
DeWalt 682 Biscuit Joiner 701, 804
Elu 2278 Biscuit Joiner 203-501
Lamello Top-20 Biscuit Joiner 506-
Lamello Cordless 10 Biscuit Joiner 901
Porter-Cable 556 Biscuit Joiner 312-406
Porter-Cable 557 Biscuit Joiner 9907+

There have been a couple of episodes where he's used both the Lamello
and the P-C in the same episode. He hasn't given up the P-C entirely,
but you're right, the Lamello is the king. He has, however, cut down
on biscuit use the last couple of seasons.

PBS vs HGTV--it's only about 2 minutes or so of lost time. The PBS
episodes are 24 minutes and the HGTV average 22. I had an overlap of
four or five episodes in '98 in which I had both a PBS tape and an
HGTV tape and compared them. I couldn't find anything substantive that
had been removed--a setup for sawing, or a planing operation, for
example.

Thanks for thinking of me.

--
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Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997


That is sure promising to hear, if in fact is only 2 minutes actually
missing. I might time the next to confirm. Maybe PBS made some deal to get
the longer time slot?

That does bring up the question as to who is editing out the 2 minutes (or
whatever it might be). Is it a wood worker? Norm himself? Or some "slaky"
TV jock? I would rather have the PBS versions if I were to go through the
trouble.


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If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a
soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman.

"Australopithecus scobis" wrote in message
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On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 02:57:29 +0100, LRod wrote:

Biscuit Joiners Episodes
Delta 32-100 Biscuit Joiner 308, 508
DeWalt 682 Biscuit Joiner 701, 804
Elu 2278 Biscuit Joiner 203-501
Lamello Top-20 Biscuit Joiner 506-
Lamello Cordless 10 Biscuit Joiner 901
Porter-Cable 556 Biscuit Joiner 312-406
Porter-Cable 557 Biscuit Joiner 9907+

Do you have a life? 8^)
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What worries me more is that Norm himself could not answer as accurate.

I would not be surprised if someone does not have a shrine erected around a
Norm figure.


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Chris

If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a
soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman.

I would question the missing parts in the HGTV versions of the shows. I
would imagine that the length of the show to be about 28 minutes on PBS
after the "brought to you by" commercials before and after the show.

At one time this was the case, but no longer. PBS programming used to
occupy about 27 minutes out of each half hour. In recent years the actual
content has shrunk to closer to 23 minutes plus a minute or two for grantor
acknowledgements. I assume this is the case so that they can re-sell their
programs to commercial broadcasters without having to bother with re-editing
(whatever happened to "If PBS doesn't do it, who will?").
This, of course, leaves them with six minutes to fill at the end of each
half hour. Do they use any of that time to unobtrusively ask for money
(i.e. a compelling 30 second announcement requesting a donation vs. the
20-minutes-at-a-clip beg-a-thons)? Nope. They fill the void each half hour
with the same stupid promos over and over again. If I see that kid talk
about going to St. Louis and eating foot-long hot dogs and a bridge made of
cake one more time I may throw a brick through the TV.

Lee

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Chris wrote:

What worries me more is that Norm himself could not answer as accurate.

I would not be surprised if someone does not have a shrine erected around a
Norm figure.

Why not? I know a guy who has a shrine to Roy Underhill. Cutest little
thing. A grotto made of bandaids and...

SIDE NOTE: M.A.S.H. was the last "rebel" TV series to force the previous 23
minute version of their show after the networks switched to an 18 minute run
time. Funny how we never noticed.


As a tivo owner, I can tell you 30 minute shows are not 18 minutes.
But I will also vouch that the last 15 minutes of news might contain 3.

If you won't like rapes, murders, and other meaningless news drivel,
the whole shebang can be watched in under 7 minutes.

Alan

"Unquestionably Confused" wrote in message
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Chris wrote:
I would not be surprised if someone does not have a shrine erected around
a Norm figure.

Why not? I know a guy who has a shrine to Roy Underhill. Cutest little
thing. A grotto made of bandaids and...


One of the strange things in Cuba when I used to have to go there were the
shrines and grottos where the image of the Virgin had been removed and
replaced by that of Jose Marti. Trouble is, down there you couldn't tell
what was spontaneous and what was state-deliberate.

Chris:

I still think it is sick that PBS sold any of their shows off. More so
after they fired good old Bob for making a buck.



Keep in mind, that TOH, NYW, ATOH,and ITOH (Inside TOH) are
owned by the production company. NOT PBS. PBS is a network
and as such only airs shows it buys from other production
places. It may have their own shows (I think NOVA, American
Experience, etc are theirs), but Sesame Street and others
are owned by other companies.

PBS didn't sell NYW to HGTV - Time Warner who now owns
all of the property did and does. Before that Russell Morash
the producer of NYW and TOH probably owned the rights
to sell older shows. Given that the PBS audience would not
support ad-infinitum repeats of TOH and NYW, it has
been great to see them again on HGTV and DIY. I am
hoping for an "TOH - all the time" channel. Perhaps
one day.

MJ Wallace

Time Warner "owns" TOH and NYW ???

I thought WGBH(Boston PBS ???}) owned those shows..

I went and looked: http://www.cjr.org/tools/owners/timewarner.asp

It would appear that Time Warner does own the "magazine" but what
about the shows ???

wrote:


Keep in mind, that TOH, NYW, ATOH,and ITOH (Inside TOH) are
owned by the production company. NOT PBS. PBS is a network
and as such only airs shows it buys from other production
places. It may have their own shows (I think NOVA, American
Experience, etc are theirs), but Sesame Street and others
are owned by other companies.

PBS didn't sell NYW to HGTV - Time Warner who now owns
all of the property did and does. Before that Russell Morash
the producer of NYW and TOH probably owned the rights
to sell older shows. Given that the PBS audience would not
support ad-infinitum repeats of TOH and NYW, it has
been great to see them again on HGTV and DIY. I am
hoping for an "TOH - all the time" channel. Perhaps
one day.

MJ Wallace

On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 00:31:43 -0400, "Chris" wrote:

I would not be surprised if someone does not have a shrine erected around a
Norm figure.

Which means it would surprise you if there was. Me, too.

Them double negatives is tricky.

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Pat:

It would appear that Time Warner does own the "magazine" but what
about the shows ???

Going to thisoldhouse.com reading down on the
web site I spotted this:

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COPYRIGHT =A9 2005 THIS OLD HOUSE VENTURES, INC.
A TIME4 MEDIA COMPANY. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.
REPRODUCTION IN WHOLE OR IN PART WITHOUT PERMISSION IS
----

Watch the credits at the end of the show. It will show
TIME4 Media as the owner of the copyright.

It appears the New Yankee is still a "co-production" of
Morash and WGBH in Boston. While that is a PBS station, it
is NOT PBS network. Similar to your local TV affillate doing
a joint production and having it air on NBC, CBS, FOX, etc.

I saw a press release about 2 years ago that indicated
the TOH was being acquired by Time-Warner, and I made
the leap to NYW. I found the orginal link:
--
http://www.current.org/prog/prog0106toh.html
---

My point is still valid. PBS doesn't own NYW. Never did.
I stand corrected on "NYW". "ATOH" is another TimeWarner
deal tho.

MJ Wallace

It appears the New Yankee is still a "co-production" of
Morash and WGBH in Boston. While that is a PBS station, it
is NOT PBS network. Similar to your local TV affillate doing
a joint production and having it air on NBC, CBS, FOX, etc.

PBS is unique among TV networks. ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, WB & UPN all produce
some of their own programming and purchase the rest from independent
suppliers (occasionally one another). PBS produces none of its programming.
They buy everything from other entities, mostly an elite group of their
affiliate stations. WGBH in Boston is one of their principal suppliers,
although a fair amount of what WGBH "produces" comes from sources such as
the BBC.
At one time TOH creator Russ Morash was employed by WGBH and his shows (The
French Chef, Victory Garden, TOH) were their properties which they then sold
to PBS.

My point is still valid. PBS doesn't own NYW. Never did.
I stand corrected on "NYW". "ATOH" is another TimeWarner
deal tho.

And ITOH has no association whatsoever with PBS. It runs (and has ever run)
only on A&E.

Lee

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Unquestionably Confused wrote:

Chris wrote:

What worries me more is that Norm himself could not answer as accurate.

I would not be surprised if someone does not have a shrine erected
around a Norm figure.


Why not? I know a guy who has a shrine to Roy Underhill. Cutest little
thing. A grotto made of bandaids and...



I will confess - I have an autographed picture of Roy in my shop.

Glen

does anyone know if copy right laws would be broken by trading missing
episodes of new yankee workshop to fill in our recorded seasons ?

On 11 Sep 2005 10:44:14 -0700, "
wrote:

does anyone know if copy right laws would be broken by trading missing
episodes of new yankee workshop to fill in our recorded seasons ?


almost certainly..... what do you have/need?

: )