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Inconsistent Shellac Results on Maple
I am building a closet using Maple. I am new to woodworking and this is
my first project using Shellac. The color of the finished wood has come out excellently (a dark yellow color). However on the last piece I am making (a laundry bin) in one of the units, the cover (20" x 28") of edge glued Maple - came out much lighter (pale yellow almost brown) ... odd and ugly than the rest. I do not want to spend the time stripping if it is the wood and/or buying and edge gluing etc... the wood if I can finish it in some way. Has anyone had similar experiences I have not stained the wood just sealed the Maple with Shellac. I did however 1st use a wood conditioner on the Maple hardwood as I found this ensured the color I received on the Maple was the same as the color on the Maple plywood after applying the Shellac finish. The shellac is Super Blonde Shellac from "Lee Valley" which was not cheap. This is the flakes which I diluted with alcohol. |
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On 4 Aug 2005 09:06:46 -0700, "
wrote: I am building a closet using Maple. I am new to woodworking and this is my first project using Shellac. The color of the finished wood has come out excellently (a dark yellow color). However on the last piece I am making (a laundry bin) in one of the units, the cover (20" x 28") of edge glued Maple - came out much lighter (pale yellow almost brown) ... odd and ugly than the rest. I do not want to spend the time stripping if it is the wood and/or buying and edge gluing etc... the wood if I can finish it in some way. Has anyone had similar experiences It sounds to me a bit like you may have a different variety of maple for that piece. Is there any possibility that you got soft maple for that and hard maple for the rest? -- "We need to make a sacrifice to the gods, find me a young virgin... oh, and bring something to kill" Tim Douglass http://www.DouglassClan.com |
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Tim Douglass wrote in
: On 4 Aug 2005 09:06:46 -0700, " wrote: I am building a closet using Maple. I am new to woodworking and this is my first project using Shellac. The color of the finished wood has come out excellently (a dark yellow color). However on the last piece I am making (a laundry bin) in one of the units, the cover (20" x 28") of edge glued Maple - came out much lighter (pale yellow almost brown) ... odd and ugly than the rest. I do not want to spend the time stripping if it is the wood and/or buying and edge gluing etc... the wood if I can finish it in some way. Has anyone had similar experiences It sounds to me a bit like you may have a different variety of maple for that piece. Is there any possibility that you got soft maple for that and hard maple for the rest? I think Tim may be on to something here. There are dozens of varieties of maples in commercial production in North America, and they all behave slightly differently. I'm doing a bathroom vanity, and, to make certain that the colors match, all the drawer fronts are cut from the same board. And I got one big, honking plank of rough 12/4 to do a pair of chairs, so I have a better chance of matching color & grain. BTW, what's with the 'wood conditioner' on maple? Shouldn't be needed with shellac, in my (OK, not completely exhaustive) experience. Patriarch |
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BTW, what's with the 'wood conditioner' on maple? Shouldn't be needed with shellac, in my (OK, not completely exhaustive) experience. Patriarch Before I chose a finish (as I am new to this), I tested a few different stains (did not like the color on maple) and finishes (oil, water based and shellac). I put them on a piece of Maple and Maple hardwood to make sure the color was the same. What I found when I just used the sealants (which I felt looked really good on Maple) is that that the color on the plywood was slightly darker - which for obvious erasons I did not want to happen. If I put conditioner on the maple before I sealed it, the color came out slightly darker and matched the plywood really well. Thanks for the feedback on the wood. Makes sense - purchased the last piece from a different source. !@#$$%!@#!. Doing this occasionally at night for a little time - getting the piece ready to install took a while. |
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On 4 Aug 2005 12:18:54 -0700, the opaque "
clearly wrote: BTW, what's with the 'wood conditioner' on maple? Shouldn't be needed with shellac, in my (OK, not completely exhaustive) experience. Patriarch Before I chose a finish (as I am new to this), I tested a few different stains (did not like the color on maple) and finishes (oil, water based and shellac). I put them on a piece of Maple and Maple hardwood to make sure the color was the same. What I found when I just used the sealants (which I felt looked really good on Maple) is that that the color on the plywood was slightly darker - which for obvious erasons I did not want to happen. If I put conditioner on the maple before I sealed it, the color came out slightly darker and matched the plywood really well. Why does everybody and their brother think that perfectly good wood has to be discolored (stained)? sigh Thanks for the feedback on the wood. Makes sense - purchased the last piece from a different source. !@#$$%!@#!. Doing this occasionally at night for a little time - getting the piece ready to install took a while. You'll also find that plywood and solid woods look slightly different. Allow the slight differences between boards to become a feature in your furniture rather than a detraction. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Heart Attacks: God's revenge for eating his little animal friends -- http://www.diversify.com Comprehensive Website Development -- |
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... On 4 Aug 2005 12:18:54 -0700, the opaque " clearly wrote: BTW, what's with the 'wood conditioner' on maple? Shouldn't be needed with shellac, in my (OK, not completely exhaustive) experience. Patriarch Before I chose a finish (as I am new to this), I tested a few different stains (did not like the color on maple) and finishes (oil, water based and shellac). I put them on a piece of Maple and Maple hardwood to make sure the color was the same. What I found when I just used the sealants (which I felt looked really good on Maple) is that that the color on the plywood was slightly darker - which for obvious erasons I did not want to happen. If I put conditioner on the maple before I sealed it, the color came out slightly darker and matched the plywood really well. Why does everybody and their brother think that perfectly good wood has to be discolored (stained)? sigh RBS, C-less? -- Nahmie The greatest headaches are those we cause ourselves. |
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On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 21:28:05 -0400, the opaque "Norman D. Crow"
clearly wrote: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message Why does everybody and their brother think that perfectly good wood has to be discolored (stained)? sigh RBS, C-less? Ayup, the dreaded Reddish Brown ****, Nahmie. As always, the question is W H Y ? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Heart Attacks: God's revenge for eating his little animal friends -- http://www.diversify.com Comprehensive Website Development -- |
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Larry Jaques wrote:
On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 21:28:05 -0400, the opaque "Norman D. Crow" clearly wrote: =20 =20 "Larry Jaques" wrote in message=20 =20 =20 Why does everybody and their brother think that perfectly good wood has to be discolored (stained)? sigh RBS, C-less? =20 =20 Ayup, the dreaded Reddish Brown ****, Nahmie.=20 As always, the question is =20 W H Y ? =20 =20 W H Y N O T ? =20 =20 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Heart Attacks: God's revenge for eating his little animal friends -- http://www.diversify.com Comprehensive Website Development -- --=20 Will R. Jewel Boxes and Wood Art http://woodwork.pmccl.com The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those=20 who have not got it.=94 George Bernard Shaw |
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On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:28:37 -0400, the opaque WillR
clearly wrote: Larry Jaques wrote: Ayup, the dreaded Reddish Brown ****, Nahmie. As always, the question is W H Y ? W H Y N O T ? Because it's usually BUTT FUGLY. Because it takes more time to apply. Because it invariably goes on unevenly. Because it costs more in the long run. Because it takes more of your time to accomplish (poorly.) Because it never looks like the real wood after all that hassle and frustration. Because some people have a little bit of TASTE. Izzat enough for you? -------------------------------------------------------------------- Unfortunately, the term "Homo Sapiens" is a goal, not a description. ---- http://www.diversify.com Web Design for YOUR Business! -------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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