Ok before the nieghbors get together and convene a special meeting of
the HOA and push some iminant domain thing, I am in the process of
quieting down some of my tools in the garage, from insulating the walls
and dry walling to creating a vibration separation of rubber between
plywood on which the planer (Delta 22-780X X5 15") sits on roller
frame.

While the rubber/plywood has removed any vibration I used to feel
comming up my legs from the concrete floor, the sound is still loud once
the vacuum is turned on. When running the planer without the vacuum,
its fairly quiet, but once the vacuum is turned on and pulling wind
across those blades the planer can be heard a short distance from the
garage -not good.

My next move is to limit the amount of vacuum force by opeing another
port on the vacuum line. But other than that Im out of ideas and was
hoping someone out here would have better ideas.

Thanks,
Martin

Two ideas. If anybody's within "a short distance from the garage", charge
them with trespassing. The other is to move.

"dado_maker" wrote in message
...
Ok before the nieghbors get together and convene a special meeting of
the HOA and push some iminant domain thing, I am in the process of
quieting down some of my tools in the garage, from insulating the walls
and dry walling to creating a vibration separation of rubber between
plywood on which the planer (Delta 22-780X X5 15") sits on roller
frame.

While the rubber/plywood has removed any vibration I used to feel
comming up my legs from the concrete floor, the sound is still loud once
the vacuum is turned on. When running the planer without the vacuum,
its fairly quiet, but once the vacuum is turned on and pulling wind
across those blades the planer can be heard a short distance from the
garage -not good.

My next move is to limit the amount of vacuum force by opeing another
port on the vacuum line. But other than that Im out of ideas and was
hoping someone out here would have better ideas.

Thanks,
Martin

my neighbors say that the noise from my tools is not as loud as I think it
is. once you get outside the garage the noise drops off considerably. If
you want to please them make them something and let them see what is going
on there and what the noise is all about it will make it harder for them to
complain.

Is the noise coming from the sides of the garage or through the door or
both? JG

dado_maker wrote:

Ok before the nieghbors get together and convene a special meeting of
the HOA and push some iminant domain thing, I am in the process of
quieting down some of my tools in the garage, from insulating the walls
and dry walling to creating a vibration separation of rubber between
plywood on which the planer (Delta 22-780X X5 15") sits on roller
frame.

While the rubber/plywood has removed any vibration I used to feel
comming up my legs from the concrete floor, the sound is still loud once
the vacuum is turned on. When running the planer without the vacuum,
its fairly quiet, but once the vacuum is turned on and pulling wind
across those blades the planer can be heard a short distance from the
garage -not good.

My next move is to limit the amount of vacuum force by opeing another
port on the vacuum line. But other than that Im out of ideas and was
hoping someone out here would have better ideas.

Thanks,
Martin

"dado_maker" wrote in message
...


My next move is to limit the amount of vacuum force by opeing another
port on the vacuum line. But other than that Im out of ideas and was
hoping someone out here would have better ideas.


Plane while your neighbor's mowing his lawn?

The planer will work without the chip collection, too.

"dado_maker" wrote in message
...
Ok before the nieghbors get together and convene a special meeting of
the HOA and push some iminant domain thing, I am in the process of
snip
Thanks,
Martin

The air moving past the blades gets "chopped" similar to how an old
fashioned siren (rotary) works. There is a substantial sound level
difference on my planer as well when I pull the DC line off.
The bottom line is if you cut back too much on the DC, you'll start having
chip imprints in the wood.
Tom

On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 05:12:15 GMT, dado_maker
wrote:

When running the planer without the vacuum,
its fairly quiet, but once the vacuum is turned on and pulling wind
across those blades the planer can be heard a short distance from the
garage -not good.

Talking about "pulling wind" ... you'll suck them in with this one,
to be sure.

In article ,
"Thomas Bunetta" wrote:

"dado_maker" wrote in message
...
Ok before the nieghbors get together and convene a special meeting of
the HOA and push some iminant domain thing, I am in the process of
snip
Thanks,
Martin

The air moving past the blades gets "chopped" similar to how an old
fashioned siren (rotary) works. There is a substantial sound level
difference on my planer as well when I pull the DC line off.
The bottom line is if you cut back too much on the DC, you'll start having
chip imprints in the wood.
Tom

My planer got much quieter when I changed the blades. I hadn't realized
how dull they had gotten.

Allen

"Allen" wrote in message news:gaepps-

My planer got much quieter when I changed the blades. I hadn't realized
how dull they had gotten.

How much of a difference did you see when you used the new blades?

"Thomas Bunetta" wrote in message
...
The air moving past the blades gets "chopped" similar to how an old
fashioned siren (rotary) works. There is a substantial sound level
difference on my planer as well when I pull the DC line off.
The bottom line is if you cut back too much on the DC, you'll start having
chip imprints in the wood.
Tom



True on lunchbox types, but this is an iron one. I own the grandfather of
his and it works remarkably well without collection, because it has that
chip breaker inside.

dado_maker wrote:
snip of suburban blues
My next move is to limit the amount of vacuum force by opeing another
port on the vacuum line. But other than that Im out of ideas and was
hoping someone out here would have better ideas.

#8 Stanley.

Dave in Fairfax (townhouse)
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I live in a 2 1/2 story townhouse, shop in half the garage. The garage
opens out onto a city-owned alley, with condos on each side, running
about 2 blocks. Even tho I buy my tools with low noise in mind, I was
getting an occasional complaint from one neighbor across the way, who
would leave her windows open and get too much noise. It's been my
experience the buildings actually amplify noise.
We live under an airport flight path (in certain wind conditions), a
4-5 daily helicopter flight path, have gardeners who use loud leaf
blowers, and have kids skateboarding and riding those chainsaw
motorized scooters in the alley, but of course my tools are the only
thing she complains about.
Over the last 5-6 months, she's been having her place extensively
remodeled, with lots of contractor noise. Funny, havn't heard a word
from her lately, and I was kinda hoping to, so I could put her in her
place. Seems HER noise is somehow less bothersome than MY noise (same
or less level)
I even built a cabinet lined with sound board for my router table that
holds my shop vac, formerly my loudest motors. Now I have a real dust
collector that's much quieter.
The portable planer is my loudest tool, along with my router, so when I
use them, sometimes I remember to shut the garage door just when
they're on. Other times, I need the light and air. It gets over 90
there in the summer.
When I'm not making a commission for someone, I've moved on to turning
on the lathe, with occasional bandsaw to cut blanks. Very quiet and
enjoyable, and can be profitable. Ever tried turning?

wrote in message

I was
getting an occasional complaint from one neighbor across the way, who
would leave her windows open and get too much noise. It's been my
experience the buildings actually amplify noise.


While not amplified, the noise can be traveling is such a manner as to be
heard at higher levels than you think. I've seen situations where you can
be 5 feet, 15 feet, from the source of the noise and it is not a bother, but
100 feet away it is very annoying. The sound wave just travel up and over
it seems and reach certain areas loudly. Maybe a simple baffle at your door
would shut her up.

When our town has concerts in the park, I can sit on my deck and listen to
them and hear them better sitting on my deck 1.5 miles away that if I was
just across the street from the band shell. Friday night we enjoyed the
Coast Guard band in the comfort of our own yard.

George wrote:

"Thomas Bunetta" wrote in message
...
The air moving past the blades gets "chopped" similar to how an old
fashioned siren (rotary) works. There is a substantial sound level
difference on my planer as well when I pull the DC line off.
The bottom line is if you cut back too much on the DC, you'll start having
chip imprints in the wood.
Tom



True on lunchbox types, but this is an iron one. I own the grandfather of
his and it works remarkably well without collection, because it has that
chip breaker inside.

This unit also works well without the dust collector attached, seems to do a
good job displacing the chips.

Ba r r y wrote:

On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 05:12:15 GMT, dado_maker
wrote:

My next move is to limit the amount of vacuum force by opeing another
port on the vacuum line. But other than that Im out of ideas and was
hoping someone out here would have better ideas.

Move, and stay far away from homeowner associations? Do you have a
basement? You can put the really noisy stuff in the basement.
Basement shops absorb a lot of noise with the earth packed around the
walls.

Other than that, maybe make the home shop a neander shop, and rent a
small industrial condo, or a corner of a pro shop for the big iron.
I know of an owner of a woodworking school who has a home shop in a
condo bedroom. His only power tool at home is a band saw.

Most big planers I seen make most of the noise with the cutterhead,
not the motor(s). The cutterhead can sound like an air raid siren.
G

Everyone I've ever met that has some sort of passion outside of golf,
(woodworking, amateur radio, musicians, classic cars, tiddlywinks,
etc...) that has purchased a home where an HOA exists has regretted
the move.

Barry

Have always steered cleared but this HOA is a lite one with a fee of
$120/year covering the work of a treasurer I suppose. Im just keeping
ahead of any future problems -so far no one has complained.

Although I haven't had a chance to really check them out or use them,
the helical cutter head planers are supposed to be much quieter. They
seem to be reserved more for the industrial machines, and not the small
shop and hobbyist woodworkers. I know that there are retro fit
cutterheads for some machines.
robo hippy

Guess who wrote:

On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 05:12:15 GMT, dado_maker
wrote:

When running the planer without the vacuum,
its fairly quiet, but once the vacuum is turned on and pulling wind
across those blades the planer can be heard a short distance from the
garage -not good.

Talking about "pulling wind" ... you'll suck them in with this one,
to be sure.

Allow those to air their thoughts, I suppose.

On 3-Jul-2005, "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote:

I was
getting an occasional complaint from one neighbor across the way, who
would leave her windows open and get too much noise. It's been my
experience the buildings actually amplify noise.

I doubt that they actually amplify the noise but certainly buildings serve
as excellent waveguides for some acoustic frequencies. Although thinking
about it now you could get spots where you get constructive interference of
the acoustic transmission multipaths which could make that spot much louder
than it intuitively would be. It's the principle of the whisper room in the
capitol building in DC.

That's only going to occur in certain spots though and only in the presence
of fairly smooth acoustic reflectors.

ml

dado_maker wrote:
Ok before the nieghbors get together and convene a special meeting of
the HOA and push some iminant domain thing, I am in the process of
quieting down some of my tools in the garage, from insulating the walls
and dry walling to creating a vibration separation of rubber between
plywood on which the planer (Delta 22-780X X5 15") sits on roller
frame.

While the rubber/plywood has removed any vibration I used to feel
comming up my legs from the concrete floor, the sound is still loud once
the vacuum is turned on. When running the planer without the vacuum,
its fairly quiet, but once the vacuum is turned on and pulling wind
across those blades the planer can be heard a short distance from the
garage -not good.

My next move is to limit the amount of vacuum force by opeing another
port on the vacuum line. But other than that Im out of ideas and was
hoping someone out here would have better ideas.

Thanks,
Martin

I put weather stripping around the garage door. 2 benefits: greatly
reduced noise from my power tools and keeps out wind blown rain. I can
turn on the DC and planer and can barely hear a thing when standing
outside the garage. If it's hot, I have to open things up, so I'm
thinking of installing a wall unit A/C.

My nearest neighbor's house is 12' away and she has never complained
about the noise (and she is a b*tch, so I KNOW she'd complain if it was
an issue!).

Dave

dado_maker wrote:

Ok before the nieghbors get together and convene a special meeting of
the HOA and push some iminant domain thing, I am in the process of
quieting down some of my tools in the garage, from insulating the walls
and dry walling to creating a vibration separation of rubber between
plywood on which the planer (Delta 22-780X X5 15") sits on roller
frame.

While the rubber/plywood has removed any vibration I used to feel
comming up my legs from the concrete floor, the sound is still loud once
the vacuum is turned on. When running the planer without the vacuum,
its fairly quiet, but once the vacuum is turned on and pulling wind
across those blades the planer can be heard a short distance from the
garage -not good.

My next move is to limit the amount of vacuum force by opeing another
port on the vacuum line. But other than that Im out of ideas and was
hoping someone out here would have better ideas.

Thanks,
Martin

another suggestion: don't start too early in the morning or run late
into the evening, so that if a bit of noise escapes your shop, it won't
seem quite so bothersome to your neighbors than if you disturbed them
outside of "business" hours.

On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 16:26:16 GMT, Ba r r y
wrote:

Several homes the perfect distance from the club became unbearable
while the band played.

Perhaps it was the music?

In article ,
"Upscale" wrote:

"Allen" wrote in message news:gaepps-

My planer got much quieter when I changed the blades. I hadn't realized
how dull they had gotten.

How much of a difference did you see when you used the new blades?

In cut quality a bit in particular with some maple I was doing at the
time. I still got some tear out but not near as much as I used to. As
far as noise a BIG reduction, even through the muffs I wear with just
about any power tool. The planer is a two blade 12" Dewalt and it came
with a second set of knives. I sent the first out for sharpening and
I'll be interested in seeing if how the sharpness compares to the
original on the DeWalt set when I swap them out.

Allen
Catonsville, MD

Ba r r y wrote:

On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 17:11:30 -0400, Guess who
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 16:26:16 GMT, Ba r r y
wrote:

Several homes the perfect distance from the club became unbearable
while the band played.

Perhaps it was the music?

And the DJ, and Karaoke, and anything else that generated the correct
bass frequencies.

Steak dosen't make much noise.

If properly prepared.

David wrote in :

snip
another suggestion: don't start too early in the morning or run late
into the evening, so that if a bit of noise escapes your shop, it won't
seem quite so bothersome to your neighbors than if you disturbed them
outside of "business" hours.


I occaisionally ask if my woodworking is bothering the neighbors, and
consistently, I've been told that it doesn't.

Having a neighbor with a Harley Davidson or two must make my machines seem
quiet in comparison. (And he's a really good neighbor!)

Patriarch

On 7/3/2005 10:42 PM Patriarch mumbled something about the following:
David wrote in :

snip

another suggestion: don't start too early in the morning or run late
into the evening, so that if a bit of noise escapes your shop, it won't
seem quite so bothersome to your neighbors than if you disturbed them
outside of "business" hours.



I occaisionally ask if my woodworking is bothering the neighbors, and
consistently, I've been told that it doesn't.

Having a neighbor with a Harley Davidson or two must make my machines seem
quiet in comparison. (And he's a really good neighbor!)

Harley's aren't loud when stock, and I know lots of non-Harley's that
are in excess of 105 dB. My woodworking tools are a lot louder than my
Harley.

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Patriarch wrote:

David wrote in :

snip
another suggestion: don't start too early in the morning or run late
into the evening, so that if a bit of noise escapes your shop, it won't
seem quite so bothersome to your neighbors than if you disturbed them
outside of "business" hours.


I occaisionally ask if my woodworking is bothering the neighbors, and
consistently, I've been told that it doesn't.

Having a neighbor with a Harley Davidson or two must make my machines seem
quiet in comparison. (And he's a really good neighbor!)

Patriarch

Yes, I also have a neighbor (a good neighbor too) with a Harley, and ironically
after first posting this has left his Harley idling in the driveway for 5-10
minutes at 6:00AM and rides it around the nieghborhood streets. I wait till
after 10:00AM to run the planer on the weekends.

I think you and I are the only ones who have stock pipes on a Harley!

Odinn wrote:

On 7/3/2005 10:42 PM Patriarch mumbled something about the following:
David wrote in :

snip

another suggestion: don't start too early in the morning or run late
into the evening, so that if a bit of noise escapes your shop, it won't
seem quite so bothersome to your neighbors than if you disturbed them
outside of "business" hours.



I occaisionally ask if my woodworking is bothering the neighbors, and
consistently, I've been told that it doesn't.

Having a neighbor with a Harley Davidson or two must make my machines seem
quiet in comparison. (And he's a really good neighbor!)

Harley's aren't loud when stock, and I know lots of non-Harley's that
are in excess of 105 dB. My woodworking tools are a lot louder than my
Harley.

--
Odinn
RCOS #7
SENS(less)
SLUG

"The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never
worshipped anything but himself." -- Sir Richard Francis Burton

Reeky's unofficial homepage ... http://www.reeky.org
'03 FLHTI ........... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/ElectraGlide
'97 VN1500D ......... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/VulcanClassic
Atlanta Biker Net ... http://www.atlantabiker.net
Vulcan Riders Assoc . http://www.vulcanriders.org

rot13 to reply

On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 05:12:15 GMT, dado_maker
wrote:

Ok before the nieghbors get together and convene a special meeting of
the HOA and push some iminant domain thing, I am in the process of
quieting down some of my tools in the garage, from insulating the walls
and dry walling to creating a vibration separation of rubber between
plywood on which the planer (Delta 22-780X X5 15") sits on roller
frame.

While the rubber/plywood has removed any vibration I used to feel
comming up my legs from the concrete floor, the sound is still loud once
the vacuum is turned on. When running the planer without the vacuum,
its fairly quiet, but once the vacuum is turned on and pulling wind
across those blades the planer can be heard a short distance from the
garage -not good.

My next move is to limit the amount of vacuum force by opeing another
port on the vacuum line. But other than that Im out of ideas and was
hoping someone out here would have better ideas.

If you haven't already insulated and sheetrocked, you can eliminate a
lot of noise by building a second frame for each wall inside of the
building, leaving a small amount of dead air space between it and the
original frame. You lose a little space, but the sounds cannot travel
through the wall nearly as effectively- and it also adds a little
insulation value. It'll still be loud inside the garage, but nothing
like it was outside.

On 7/4/2005 1:27 AM dado_maker mumbled something about the following:
I think you and I are the only ones who have stock pipes on a Harley!

Odinn wrote:


On 7/3/2005 10:42 PM Patriarch mumbled something about the following:

David wrote in :

snip

another suggestion: don't start too early in the morning or run late
into the evening, so that if a bit of noise escapes your shop, it won't
seem quite so bothersome to your neighbors than if you disturbed them
outside of "business" hours.



I occaisionally ask if my woodworking is bothering the neighbors, and
consistently, I've been told that it doesn't.

Having a neighbor with a Harley Davidson or two must make my machines seem
quiet in comparison. (And he's a really good neighbor!)


Harley's aren't loud when stock, and I know lots of non-Harley's that
are in excess of 105 dB. My woodworking tools are a lot louder than my
Harley.

Not at all, I know quite a few. We are in a minority tho.

--
Odinn
RCOS #7
SENS(less)
SLUG

"The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never
worshipped anything but himself." -- Sir Richard Francis Burton

Reeky's unofficial homepage ... http://www.reeky.org
'03 FLHTI ........... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/ElectraGlide
'97 VN1500D ......... http://www.sloanclan.org/gallery/VulcanClassic
Atlanta Biker Net ... http://www.atlantabiker.net
Vulcan Riders Assoc . http://www.vulcanriders.org

rot13 to reply

2 tests I tried yesterday:
1. Remove DC -much quieter- good chip displacement, but I dont like some of
the dust in the air and clean up on the floor etc.
2. Open the vacuum on another location on the DC, this cut down the amount
of air being pulled acrooss the blades. Not a quiet as DC removed but
seemed half as loud. First time I ran with no ear protection (not to be
practices for long periods though) The sound that can be heard outside was
dropped dramitically -Going with this one.

Thanks!

dado_maker wrote:

Ok before the nieghbors get together and convene a special meeting of
the HOA and push some iminant domain thing, I am in the process of
quieting down some of my tools in the garage, from insulating the walls
and dry walling to creating a vibration separation of rubber between
plywood on which the planer (Delta 22-780X X5 15") sits on roller
frame.

While the rubber/plywood has removed any vibration I used to feel
comming up my legs from the concrete floor, the sound is still loud once
the vacuum is turned on. When running the planer without the vacuum,
its fairly quiet, but once the vacuum is turned on and pulling wind
across those blades the planer can be heard a short distance from the
garage -not good.

My next move is to limit the amount of vacuum force by opeing another
port on the vacuum line. But other than that Im out of ideas and was
hoping someone out here would have better ideas.

Thanks,
Martin

yes I have insulated and drywalled. Was well worth it.

Prometheus wrote:

On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 05:12:15 GMT, dado_maker
wrote:

Ok before the nieghbors get together and convene a special meeting of
the HOA and push some iminant domain thing, I am in the process of
quieting down some of my tools in the garage, from insulating the walls
and dry walling to creating a vibration separation of rubber between
plywood on which the planer (Delta 22-780X X5 15") sits on roller
frame.

While the rubber/plywood has removed any vibration I used to feel
comming up my legs from the concrete floor, the sound is still loud once
the vacuum is turned on. When running the planer without the vacuum,
its fairly quiet, but once the vacuum is turned on and pulling wind
across those blades the planer can be heard a short distance from the
garage -not good.

My next move is to limit the amount of vacuum force by opeing another
port on the vacuum line. But other than that Im out of ideas and was
hoping someone out here would have better ideas.

If you haven't already insulated and sheetrocked, you can eliminate a
lot of noise by building a second frame for each wall inside of the
building, leaving a small amount of dead air space between it and the
original frame. You lose a little space, but the sounds cannot travel
through the wall nearly as effectively- and it also adds a little
insulation value. It'll still be loud inside the garage, but nothing
like it was outside.